The latest regarding NY-20

Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:45 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2009

From NBC's Mark Murray
In the essentially tied special congressional election in New York, two things will now happen:

1) Counties will begin recanvassing the vote on Friday, although some counties will begin that as early as today.

2) Counties will need to begin counting absentee and military overseas ballots. Absentee ballots -- as many as 10,000 were requested -- have to be postmarked by Election Day and received by April 7. Military overseas ballots must be postmarked by Election Day and received by April 13. Some counties will wait to count these ballots until the April 7 and April 13 dates, while others will begin counting them as they come in.

Long story short, we probably won't know the winner until at least April 13.

Another thing: One vote count shows Democrat Scott Murphy leading Jim Tedisco by 59 votes (77,344 vs. 77,285), and the other one has him leading by 65 votes (77,344 vs. 77,279). The discrepancy is due to the hand count in one precinct giving Tedisco six more votes than the machine count. This will obviously be resolved during the recanvass.

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"The discrepancy is due to the hand count in one precinct giving Tedisco six more votes than the machine count. This will obviously be resolved during the recanvass."

Hahah. Yeah, right. What hand count? Does this mean they have a paper trail from actual votes? Or because the poll workers counted their pals as Tedisco supporters and counted them? (that's a joke, but not so far off, right?)

LB, Virginia (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:52 AM)

This thing won't be over for a very long time...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

matt (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:52 AM)

Murphy: He called himself a "strong supporter of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms,"

Hmmm Gilibrand ran as a republican on pretty much ALL issues (excpet party declaration), and that is why the limo-liberals in NYC are out to kill her. And it sounds like Murphy was different how?

welcome to changeville

al-the-whore-gore was an NRA A++ candidate for his WHOLE career prior to fastening himself to the clinton teet.

Ted K, Hyannis, MA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 AM)

GEE, it's lucky for the Republicans that they have such Dynamic Leaders like Michael Steele and Jabba the Limbaugh !!

Otherwise, they might be in REAL Trouble !!

Keep it up, Michael and Jabba !!

You're doin' a heckuva job !!

MSierra, SF (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:01 AM)

not good for the republicans...this is a red district that is purple now.

Purple People Eater (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:01 AM)

If the recanvas doesn't fix things maybe Tedisco can hire Coleman as a consultant on how to use the courts to deprive citizens of representation for months and months.

John B, Des Moines, IA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:12 AM)

Mickey Mouse musta voted several times in the count that shows Tedisco ahead ! Wanna know why i'm sure it was Mickey Mouse ? It's because the REPUBLICAN'S are living in Disneyland these day's.

Het J. Merle, you need to find Van & have a Why Did'nt Hillary Win Crying Party, or maybe just crawl into the bunker again.

As i tried to respond to your post yesterday about You(J. Merle) being a Moderate liberal. I'll say you're about as Moderate-Liberal as my Dog, & I havta shovel his crap up Daily.

Rick,Ky (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:13 AM)

How much money did the GOP spend in this highy Republican race?????????? Isn't Michael Steele doing a bang up job? Wonder if it's the message? Naw, couldn't be.

Diane from Illinois (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:13 AM)

Get ready for the invasion of RNC-GOP lawyers that are on the Coleman case,they didn't get there way in Minnesota,and things look bad for Mr.Coleman, so they will be free to work on this.This should be settled in time for the 2012 elections,just like the Coleman case that still complains that the court is wrong and they are right.So on we go with the republicans doing what they do best,Obstruct!

jesse St.Paul Minnesota (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:15 AM)

Now repeat after me :

Osama, Drill Baby Drill, Socialism, The Teleprompter,now repeat after me, Osama, drill baby Drill, Socialism, The Teleprompter.

O yeah & don't forget, Tax Cuts for the Wealthy, Abortion & gay marriage !

Just your daily Diatribe from your friendly GOP !handbook

Rick,Ky (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:15 AM)

Hmmm Gilibrand ran as a republican on pretty much ALL issues (excpet party declaration), and that is why the limo-liberals in NYC are out to kill her. And it sounds like Murphy was different how?
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The "Limo Liberals" just made her a Senator.

Brian Crooks, Naperville, IL (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:15 AM)

The important thing is that Murphy is ahead of the Bernie Madoff lookalike.

In Murphy We Trust!

Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:27 AM)

Perhaps now Republicans will finally get it and really change their message. Tax cuts and wedge issues were fine for their base, but they really need to make that tent a little bigger when they can't hold/win red districts like NY-20.

cmac (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM)

This is a win-win for the Democratic party. If Murphy loses he lost in a predominately Republican district and that would be expected. Especially if it is close. If Murphy wins than it is all the better for the Democrats. On the other hand if the Republicans lose this it doesn't look good. The district is mostly Republican. Even if Tadisco wins by a very small margin it can be seen as underperformance for the Republican party in NY-20 and would have national reprocussions. It looks like they will have another "Minnesota" here if it remains close. That can't be good for the Republicans.

eagle1776 (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:29 AM)

Get ready for the republican sore loser campaign to move from Minnesota to New York.

Dave, Texas (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:36 AM)

Ted K, Hyannis:

Al Gore was pro-life, too. Had to change or he had nowhere to go.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:38 AM)

When Obama campaigned for the right to bear arms, was he referring to Michelle's penchant for sleeveless dresses??????

Question Mark (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:38 AM)

Send the ballots to Minnesota! They have the experience needed to determine the winner!

A.Brocco,Albuquerque,NM (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:41 AM)

Pete Simploy (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:42 AM)

Bottom line is: Even if Tedisco wins, the GOP is still in bad shape. Relying on a recount to win a CD with a 70K GOP advantage is just plain bad

Joe - STL (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:50 AM)

The Dems did a better job of gettingout their base and independents, given the registration strength of the Republicans. If the Dems followed the effort to gain absentee ballots the same way as in the general election they have this wrapped up. On the other hand, if not, the tradidional absentee strength goes to the Republicans.

RichardinDelmar (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:57 AM)

Gillibrand did not run on a Republican agenda. I was a volunteer for her in 2006. Her lead issue was ending the Iraqi war.

Before Ted K of Hyannis bashes Murphy on his 2nd amendment support, he might also want to check out Obama's position. I was also an Obama volunteer in Scranton, and the official Obama position we were told to tell voters during canvassing was that Obama had been a constitutional law professor, and that he strongly supported the second amendment.

John, Delmar, NY (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:01 PM)

Chris, Seattle, WA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:55 AM)

Give it a rest. http://moderateleft.com/?p=5195

Bush won nationally by 3,012 votes in 2004. Now THAT was a close election. PS. He didn't just spend the so called 'political capital' he thought he earned, he spent trillions more.

Obama's win http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

This wasn't even close. So continue with your backward math. I am sure your rate of return will be all that you hope for.

In a county where 2/3 registered as Republicans and 1/3 as Democrats - Murphy got 50% of the vote. That says loud and clear, to me and anyone else paying attention that people who formerly self identified as Republicans are NOT voting party line. That is significant. Continue to deny it while we Democrats continue to lap you in election after election. That's fine with me. But the ostrich with their head in the sand, is often eaten by the cheetah. Get a clue, get a platform and regain some of the former 'message discipline'.

Clara Kansas City, MO (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:05 PM)

Way to go John of Delmar, confusing the issues with facts!!

RichardinDelmar (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:08 PM)

Thanks to the Republican Trust's foolish ads, we lost this thing. DC LOBBYIST POLITICOS GO HOME PLEASE! AND STAY OUT OF OUR ELECTIONS.

We could have won outright. Then this Wheeler fool from the "Republican" Trust comes in with ads that killed Tedisco's lead. Then we find out Wheeler has never worked on a campaign before. GREAT
Pete Simploy (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:42 AM)

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You got that one right...

The amount of noise made by the NRCC and the Republican Trust was insane and chock full of half-truths, distortions and outright lies about Scott Murphy.

Of course, it didn't help Tedisco that he seemed to have nothing much to say that was positive about himself...oh, and there was also that 26-year record in the Assembly...

...late budgets.
...no landmark legislation.
...Albany gridlock.

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:08 PM)

It seems apparent that Obama has divided the country more than it has ever been.

Not what most had in mind with his election.

Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:13 PM)

My partner and I are volunteers for Scott Murphy. While canvassing door to door in Lagrange on Sunday, we saw a middle aged man in an SUV stuffing mailboxes with Tedisco material. We got lots of photos of the mailboxes and his license plate number. When he spotted us, he backed into a driveway (yes, I have the exact address) and my partner wagged his finger at him, the driver of the SUV took off.

Stuffing mailboxes without going through the USPS is a federal offense, punishable by a $1000 fine.

If Mr. Tedisco is not aware of this misbehavior, do we want him sitting in Congress?

ellephaba (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:20 PM)

A comment for FR ~

On at least three occasions recently, including today, bloggers have specifically addressed comments to me that I have tried to answer, but for some reason have not been allowed to do so, which in turn makes me look like I'm either just plain rude or a coward. Ironically, someone else was allowed to respond to a comment addressed to me this morning on the First Thoughts thread, while my own response, which was posted before that one, has not been posted, even though it was relatively short and not snarky in the least. It doesn't quite seem fair to allow bloggers to address personal -- and sometimes snarky or highly critical -- comments, either at or to other bloggers, but then not allow responses.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

To Monkberry (from another thread) ~

We've had a few differences, but you've always been a very good sport. I'd be very sorry to think that you're saying liberals should be seen and not heard if they want to be friends with conservatives. After all, why else would we all come here, and what fun is it to talk to a mirror?

We can disagree without being disagreeable, wouldn't you agree?

Anna Molly (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:26 PM)

MSierra wins the award for the April Fool. No surprise. It was expected. More wasted space.

Polythene Pam (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:34 PM)

So what you are saying is ALL DEMOCRATS LIE to get elected?!

not rich mke wi (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:36 PM)

Miss Molly

Agreed .... at least for now. But you've got to agree the nitwits run in both directions.

Monkberry Moon (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:48 PM)

If Mr. Tedisco is not aware of this misbehavior, do we want him sitting in Congress?
ellephaba (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:20 PM)

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At least Tedisco was not aware of someone else's actions. Obama was fully aware of the corrupt practices his minions were engaging in for his campaigns. And, no, I don't want Obama in office.

Keep the Change (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:55 PM)

At the very least, the translators will have an easier time translating Mr. Obama's words than they did when they tried to figure out what language President Bush was speaking.
Bruce Oregon (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:04 AM)

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Because the teleprompter can print out the transcript in 20 different languages.

The Global Teleprompter (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:58 PM)

Ted K, Hyannis, MA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:06 PM)

It seems apparent that Obama has divided the country more than it has ever been.
--Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN

Not sure how you came to that conclusion Ed. I've had the opposite experience. Under Bush people were so heatedly divided that all my lunch buddies and relatives had to agree not to talk politics when we meet. Since President Obama's election we find we can go back to discussing politics with some civility. It helps that you are no longer branded a terrorist supporter for opposing the president's policies. Obama clearly welcomes and allows competing opinions to be expressed without demonizing.

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:09 PM)

Rick, Ky:

You're the only one I see here saying those things.

Again.

And again.

Ever hear the term "one trick pony"?

You must be saddle-sore from riding yours.

Enjoy your holiday.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:15 PM)

Anna Molly:

You have no idea, and neither does Clara, Kansas City, how many of my posts haven't appeared here.

It's really mostly timing. Ya takes your chances.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:17 PM)

"MSierra wins the award for the April Fool. No surprise. It was expected. More wasted space."

Polythene Pam

And that's true even when there is actual text.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:19 PM)

nuanced:

Unless you're a Republican.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM)

Monkberry ~ Of course I agree to that. I'm no nitwit.

By the way, neither are you. ;)

Anna Molly (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:40 PM)

Richard ~ Thanks for the advice. Timing I get, and believe me, I'm used to that, even though that, too, seems very arbitrary. But it's not just timing when someone's post responding to a comment addressed to you appears and your response does not, although you sent yours before they did. That -- and allowing bloggers to respond to posted comments to or about them -- was my point.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And just in case my last response to Monkberry doesn't make the cut, either, of course I agree.

After all, I'm no nitwit. And neither are you. ;)

Anna Molly (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:50 PM)

"...Het J. Merle, you need to find Van & have a Why Did'nt Hillary Win Crying Party, or maybe just crawl into the bunker again.
As i tried to respond to your post yesterday about You(J. Merle) being a Moderate liberal. I'll say you're about as Moderate-Liberal as my Dog, & I havta shovel his crap up Daily. ..."
Rick,Ky (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:13 AM)

Ahhhh, ever think about a English Composition "brush-up" course Rick?

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:00 PM)

Oh and one more thing Rick....YOU aren't a Democrat. You're a THIRD PARTY PUKE!
Go back to your Green Party and help Ralph Nader get more Republicans elected.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:02 PM)

Wow. How many more "too close to call" elections is it going to take before we get some real voting process reform in place? There is no reason we can't create a voting system that is faster, accurate, and secure - we just need to set some national standards.

Peter, San Rafael, CA (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:05 PM)

nuanced:

Unless you're a Republican.
Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM)

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Richard, "NO" is not a policy.

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:12 PM)

Come on Ed, your statement about Obama dividing the country is problematic and disingenious at best.

Hey Ed did you think George Bush united the country during his 8 years in office.

These right wingers has lost all credibility including you Ed.

Ben Purser Royal Oak, MI (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:17 PM)

Obama hasn't divided this country more; 66% of the people support him. A year or so ago, Newt Gingrich stated in an interview that his biggest mistake was to use the cultural issues as a means to divide the country against itself; he admitted that his methods of running the House caused the extreme partisan divide we see today. Think about it, prior to the arrival of Newt's grand plan, both parties worked together to solve problems and do what was in the best interest of the country, they compromised, they disagreed but they worked together; Congress has not been the same since then. Ideology divides us, not a particular person.

Not sure why the noise about who was for or against before or after. Both parties have people whose personal views are different from their party platform. Mitt Romney and Rudy Guilliani are republicans who were pro-choice before running for office and probably still are; there are many moderate republicans who favor choice; there are democrats who are pro-life. Not every republican supports gun ownership without regulation. Just because you're a democrat doesn't mean you're anti-gun; you can support the 2nd amendment but feel that more controls on buying would be beneficial particularly in big cities. What purpose does an assault weapon have except to kill but I have no problem with people owning guns to hunt or collect or participate in sharp-shooting events. There are many religious democrats but many view religion as a personal issue and choose not to make it part of their politics; not every republican is religious; not every evangelical supports the religious views of Revs Hagge, Parsley or Wright. Cultural issues are personal issues and should play a minimal role in our political decisions. Republicans and democrats should respect the differing views within their own party. Intolerance of opposing views is corrosive. Our political decisions should be based primarily on the economy, trade, energy, education, health care, wars or no wars, taxes, etc. Instead we allow personal ideology on a couple issues to dictate how we should vote and thus dictate the well-being of our country and ourselves.

Jody, Iowa (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:18 PM)

This election highlights another dirty little secret about our election process. Most winners are certified before absentee and overseas military ballots are counted and in many locales those votes are NEVER counted.

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:25 PM)

Good analysis Jody -- right on the mark. The problem is that many people just don't do nuance or they would realize that we differ be degrees on issues and are not as divided as they think.

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:31 PM)

Pete, Albany:

Who said it was?

Neither is "yes". Or "maybe". Or "let's think about it". Or, "you're full of hooey". Or "Republicans are the party of NO."

That is, if I agree with you. On the other hand, "No" was my policy when it came to my kids drinking underage while driving my car. It is also my policy, in general, for rooting for the Yankees or the Mets.

So, "no" can actually be a policy. "Yes", also. But maybe not "You're full of hooey". I think that's just high-browed political commentary.

I'm obviously too into my holiday today. Your statement appears irrelevant unless you're way more nuanced than nuanced.

Which is not a policy, either.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:53 PM)

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