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Cornyn calls MN ruling 'misguided'

Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:27 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Earlier today, we noted that national Republicans have been silent about yesterday's unanimous three-judge ruling confirming Al Franken the winner in Minnesota's never-ending Senate contest.

Until now.

In a fundraising email to supporters -- rather a typical press statement -- National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-TX) blasted the so-called tripartisan ruling, as well as the entire re-canvassing/recount process.

"Since Sen. Norm Coleman was first ahead by hundreds of votes at the end of election night, the Democrats have aggressively worked to change the rules of the game after it’s been played," Cornyn said. "Last night, they succeeded in convincing a three-judge panel to issue a fundamentally misguided ruling that disenfranchises over 4,000 Minnesota voters. They did so by imposing a different, and stricter, standard for votes to be counted rather than following the rules that were in place in Minnesota on Election Day. In doing so, constitutionally-valid Due Process and Equal Protection concerns have been raised."

More from Cornyn: "It’s frankly shocking that many of the same Democrats who so loudly decried voter disenfranchisement during the Florida recount in 2000 have so quickly run away from that principle when it no longer fits their political agenda. Nonetheless, Republicans, and the NRSC in particular, remain committed to a full and fair resolution of this election contest and stand firmly behind Sen. Norm Coleman."

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I read today where even Bernard Goldberg has had enough of Sean Hannity’s unrelenting attacks on President Obama. Bernard Goldberg. The one man, out of all the GOP pundits, that I am the most disappointed in. Here was a  man who received nine Emmy Awards for Journalism. When he first started as a pundit on tv, I liked him. I didn’t necessarily agree with him, but I thought he would be a man who could bring some “inside baseball” to the cable world. And he seemed likeable as well.

Over the years, I’ve seen a nastiness and anger that I never expected from this high level professional. So be it. But I do have to give him a thumbs up today nevertheless. Sean Hannity has gone off the deep end in his disdain for the president.

It’s hard to believe Sean Hannity is a grown adult. His attempts at manipulation and lies are pathetic. Someone needs to tell Hannity that President Bush received the credit for the surge, even though he never really lifted a finger. It wasn’t even his idea.
More from the fascist party of america is waht you really mean. I cannot be the only one who notices the eerie similarities between the nazi party of 1930's germany and the republicans of the 21st century.

They favor corporations over citizens.

They favor force over negotiation.

They favor persecuting those who don't look and act like them.
More Republican Embarrassing Behavior

Greg Sargent:

I just got off the phone with a military expert and former Army Ranger who supports Republicans and Dems, and he hammered Gingrich and conservative media figures for criticizing Obama, saying that the Commander-in-chief deserved "respect" while a sensitive operation was unfolding.
"I would hope that they’re feeling a little silly today," said the expert, Andrew Exum, a fellow at the Center for National Security Studies. "It’s bad form. You don’t make this a partisan issue until an operation has been assessed. It’s fair game ex post facto. But during the emergency, I think that our elected leaders deserve our respect."
Gingrich whacked away at Obama’s handling of the standoff on Twitter over the weekend, saying it made us "look weak." The Wall Street Journal editorial page, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck also targeted Obama.


Exum, who advised Obama during the campaign but who also supports Republicans, hinted that the criticism bordered on unpatriotic. "If Glenn Beck loves his country as much as he alleges, he should hold his tongue when elected leaders on the ground are dealing with a very difficult situation."

Instead of keeping his trap shut for a few hours, Gingrich was trying to make political hay out of a hostage situation. Gingrich bet on Black Hawk Down, but this time around, the "genius" of 1994 became the dolt of 2009.

The amazing thing is that this is all part of Gingrich's quest to become commander-in-chief. But rather than further his own ambitions, the only thing Gingrich has done is prove that he does not possess the character to be President.

That shouldn't surprise anybody, however. This is, after all, the same guy who led the impeachment of President Clinton while simultaneously having an illicit affair with a member of his own congressional staff

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/13/719724/-Gingrich-should-have-held-his-tongue

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/newt-gives-high-praise-to-obama-on-pirate-standoff-not/
Yawn...isn't cornyn from texass or something?
Of course he thinks it was misguided ... the Republican lost. No other reason.
Yeah, what kind of crazy world to we live in where the candidate with the most votes is declared the winner?
I'm so sick and tired of Cornyn "POSTURING" to be the voice of the G"NO"P.  The sand in the hour glass is running out for this fake.  We're working on it.

1360 A.M. Rational Radio is here in Texas, FINALLY!

The silence from the reprehensibles was far nicer and now some dimwit bushie has to go and speak and prove how utterly ignorant and poorly educated most of them are.
The Republican Party is turning into a joke. I have always, and will always, support my Republican Congressman, but at this point I wish he would join the Democratic Party. He would be working with more intelligent people and could have a more constructive impact.
Being from Texas, I know what an idiot Cornyn is. The real question is why do Rethugs need to use the courts to upend every election they don't win that is close? Is it because 59 Senators could really make the Republican brand disappear sooner rather than later and on Cornyn's watch as the Senatorial Republican Committee chair. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Go ride your horse (the one you rented) in the sunset, Cornyn.
AE - More from the fascist party of america is waht you really mean. I cannot be the only one who notices the eerie similarities between the nazi party of 1930's germany and the republicans of the 21st century.


No, I think you're it.
yeah those shady democrats are the ones who forced the recount. (from MN and a vote this close requires a recount according to our laws, everything was fair and square, give it up norm!)
I suspect that all voters would at least say that they prefer a system where every ballot is counted and no ballots are ever contestable.  But that's not the system we have.  If republicans don't like it, then they should invent a better system.  Until then, they need to live with the courts' decisions, the same way that democrats had to do in 2000.  

True disenfranchisement would be if there were no legal recourse.  But having legal recourse doesn't automatically guarantee the result you want.  Just ask Al Gore.  
All decisions are misguided if they go against you but brilliant, fair and truthful if they are in your favor. I have seen that from all those in places like San Quentin, Sing Sing, Leavenworth and so on.

There are several problems I have with John Cornyn's letter. First, I think Democrats and more importantly Minnesotans have been very patient with the legal process. Frankly, hearing the Senator complain that the Democrats have gone out of their way to undermine the election process is ridiculous. Sec of State Mark Ritchie, while being elected as a Democrat, has gone out of his way to make sure that the Canvassing board was NOT partisan. We have 3 legitimate parties in MN and all were represented in on the board and now again were represented in the court decision. Also, the decisions have all been unanimous, not partisan, not divided in any way.

Also, the 4,000 ballots that have been rejected were rejected for legal reasons. If a ballot doesn't fit the qualifications we shouldn't count it, does that mean someone's vote didn't get counted, yes, but it also means that something was wrong with it. If you can't read someone's writing you shouldn't guess what they were trying to do.

Personally as a Minnesotan, I am getting pretty sick of people from outside the state on both sides of the aisle commenting on a fair election process. Again, while the process has been long it has been fair and isn't that what we all should hope for in an election. This election included 3 million votes and we are now talking about a difference of 300 votes. Isn't that the amazing part?
From Earlier:

So far, Obama has "stimulated the Economy" with huge debt, stated that this "is not a Christian nation," and did not attend the inauguration party of the very people who protect our freedom every day!

These are precedents being set by a man who does not promote the Christian values of do unto others, and in GOD we trust, that made and have kept this country strong for over 200 years.

Taking from the rich and giving to the poor is not a way to teach work ethic to many welfare recipient, or to promote ingenuity and innovation.  The tax breaks he is giving to many Americans are just a front because targeted taxes on goods and services more than take this small tax cut away.

It is time to realize that less taxes and less government (and less socialistic ideals) are the answer.  Until we recreate work ethic and ethics in general (republican or democrat) this society will not change.  It doesn't matter how much money you put in it.   LS San Antonio (Sent Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:03 PM)

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A corporations incur debt when they have massive turn around projects...Yes there is alot of debt being accumulated, but it it less than other presidents in term of inflation adjusted dollars.

It is, "in God we trust"...not "in a christian god we trust"...are forefathers were very careful to give us those religious freedoms.  Egypt doesn't worship a christian God per se but has been around for thousands of years...Japan has different beliefs, is monetarily more strong than we are and has been around for a good thousand years longer, sooo are they right??  Nobody is right, we are a "free" country...so we are free to believe in whatever way we like to express GOD...that's what makes our country great.

Also "do onto others" is also the same as saying equal rights...which we are seeing more likely under this administration (equal pay, civil unions, human rights) than any in the last few decades...so on that one you are dead wrong.

Also I am sick and tired of idiots on this board telling us that "poor people are lazy".  Wrong, poor people work 60 hours a week to make what a person that has a million in the bank makes on interest alone...whether that privledged person lifts a finger or not.

Poor people take care of families, work multiple jobs, spend a higher percentage of there income on necessities, and still have to face substandard living situations.  Many poor people don't become poor, they are born into it and scratch to work their way out of it.  Poor people skip college to help pay for their families to survive, and so on and so on creating the same cycle of poverty as wealth creates wealth.

Self made millionaires are rare compared to the golden age of america.  It happens but not like the american dream of old.  

I must admit that one of the pleasures of going on to FR is to read the comments from Pat, Boston, Chuck, Wa, Nashville fan, Anna Molly, Eagle 1776 and many others.  I too recall the Cuban missile crisis. Revealing my age, I was a sophomore at Indiana University. In 1962, sometimes in the mid-west, we felt and acted as though we were insulated from the events in Washington and Moscow. Today, it is very different. The internet is indeed a world wide web. Thanks for those memories.

Regarding the Minn Senate seat.  It seems to me that Franken can and should be seated and allow Coleman to pursue his legal recourse.  It is apparent that the unspoken truth is that this is not about a fair election in Minn, but an attempt to keep the Dems from gaining the 59th Senate seat.  To me that is an abuse of the intent of the law.  It also shows me the lack of integrity of the GOP.
There is no basis to claim that the counting was biased at this point. Even Coleman is only claiming that it was incomplete. So the 4000 uncounted "votes" split 39/39 just like the election night ones. If they were all opened, we could expect a random swing of about 40 votes. Franken wins even if it's 7 times that.

Coleman is just running out the clock. He's had ample time to prepare an appeal, yet will take the full 10 days. Meanwhile, the country can burn, because the GOP wants Obama to fail.

When will Dems start to play hardball? It's like watching a flag football team take on an NFL defensive line.
They favor persecuting those who don't look and act like them.


What does that comment even mean?  What persecution are you talking about?  
From MyDD:

'...Deep Thought

by Josh Orton, Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 10:56:45 AM EST

There should be a law where the person who gets the most votes in a Senate election gets to become a Senator...'


Wouldn't THAT be GREAT !!

After all the time and legal process involved, how can any still say this election has been illegal?  Time to give in and admit defeat.  Let Minnesota have its two senators like everyone else!
You know there is a Republican that I'd like to hear from on this and any number of topics.  Where has Mike Murphy been?  He always struck me as fair, even when I didn't agree with him.  He has been amazingly silent since the election.

Currently I listen to George Will, rarely do I agree with him; but I don't find him actively offensive.
Cornyn proves time and again, it was better for him to stay silent and let us think he's an idiot; rather than open his mouth and remove all doubt.
"...True disenfranchisement would be if there were no legal recourse.  But having legal recourse doesn't automatically guarantee the result you want.  Just ask Al Gore."   Anna Molly (Sent Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:45 PM)

Did you hear the dialogue with Al Gore and Tony Robbins recently?  It was hysterical.  I will try and find a link.  Basically, tongue in cheek, blaming his 'failure' on not having the Supreme Court on his side.  Heard it on POTUS last week.
THE PARTY OF "NO" IS AT IT AGAIN!!!

GIVE IT UP!!  

AL GORE IS A BETTER MAN THAN THE NO PARTY, BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM, HE TOOK IT LIKE THE GRACIOUS MAN THAT HE IS!!
Rational people think it's Cornyn who is misguided. He thought it OK that Coleman was ahead before the required recound but not OK that when all the eligible votes are counted, Franken wins. The Grumpy Obstructionist Party just wants to deny Minnesota their duly elected DEMOCRATIC senator for as long as possible.  
just what we need - another not so bright republican from Texas to tell the people in Minnesota what they should be doing - Franken won- give it a rest
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-TX) wouldn't be biased, would he?

If the 3 judge panel had been split in their decision or were made of a majority from one party or the other one could be suspicious but this was a tri-party panel and they were unanimous in their decision. Cronyn is just being a baby about the whole thing. The longer they delay the longer it is before Senator Franken finally gets seated. Coleman is ruining his chances for the future but apparently they aren't interested in the future.
When I'm having trouble making a decision I flip a coin. Heads this, tails that. If it comes up heads and I said, two out of three then it still comes up heads and I say three out of five, the I pretty much have the answer I'm looking for because I won't accept the choice. Isn't that what the Republicans are doing? We'll accept the court's findings - unless it goes against us. We'll accept the recount - unless it goes against us. We'll accept the voter's choice - unless it goes against us.

The Republicans sure know how to wage a fight. Maybe one day they'll learn how to play by the rules. They got George W. Bush by twisting the rules and after eight years of that fiasco they lost by everyone's rules.
>>>"Since Sen. Norm Coleman was first ahead by hundreds of votes at the end of election night, the Democrats have aggressively worked to change the rules of the game after it’s been played," Cornyn said.
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Oh yeah!  This all would have been over back in November and Coleman would have been the winner.  But NOOOOOOOO!  Those Godless liberal Democrats just HAD to follow STATE LAW, and submit to a recount.  Damn goodie goodie liberals.  Now the Generally Obsolete and Pathetic party have to go to the trouble of trying this in the State Supreme Court so they can have their way (win by any means necessary - including teabag tantrums).

HAPPY TEABAGGING!

http://jawillie.blog.com
Cornyn said. "Last night, they succeeded in convincing a three-judge panel to issue a fundamentally misguided ruling that disenfranchises over 4,000 Minnesota voters.
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So why then are you upset with "they" vs. being upset with the 3 Judge panel?  Of course each Party is going to hold their ground so the real focus should be on the decision makers.  Call them out if you want to make a stand...ah but of course had their decision been the reverse, you and kind would be singing their praises.
If you didn't believe in the tripartisan panel you should have made that statement some time ago.  If the group is bogus, then they are bogus from the beginning, not just when they rule not in your favor.
The decision is very specific as to why Franken is the victor.  It is carefully written and I don't think has a change of being disturbed on appeal.  When can MN citizens sue Coryn and the Republican party for keeping our elected Senator out of office?  Maybe there is an attorney that can speak to what remedy we voters have.  Normie needs to go.  NOW
There is no basis to claim that the counting was biased at this point. Even Coleman is only claiming that it was incomplete. So the 4000 uncounted "votes" split 39/39 just like the election night ones. If they were all opened, we could expect a random swing of about 40 votes. Franken wins even if it's 7 times that.

Coleman is just running out the clock. He's had ample time to prepare an appeal, yet will take the full 10 days. Meanwhile, the country can burn, because the GOP wants Obama to fail.

When will Dems start to play hardball? It's like watching a flag football team take on an NFL defensive line.
Are there any grownups left in the GOP?  You know, the people who tell Normie enough is enough, and he's not only making himself look ridiculous, but the rest of the party as well?

No, I thought not.

Cue the Insane Clown Posse!
I'm so sick of John Cornyn flapping his jaws.  I've emailed his office so many times to tell him to shut up that I'm sure I'm on a "watch" list somewhere.
moir ~ republicans aren't interested in the future because they live in the past; sometimes -- like right now -- the pre-historical past.  And they like it that way.  

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Clara ~ No, I didn't get a chance to hear that.  A link would be greatly appreciated, thanks.  Al Gore is always such a treat.  
"I must admit that one of the pleasures of going on to FR is to read the comments from Pat, Boston, Chuck, Wa, Nashville fan, Anna Molly, Eagle 1776 and many others. " - Ron Indiana
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Wow - I am honored to be included on the list - thanks Ron!

P.S. Your posts are some of the most sensible and well reasoned here - thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
Cornyn - another walking, talking fart joke here in TX.  I doubt HE could win another election - last time around he only garnered 39% of the vote - that's not going to win many elections.  And his competition was Kinky Friedman - a commedian.  I can't wait til his next election.

I think it's mr. cornyn that's misguided.  The residents of MN deserve representation - not unproductive political games.
No suprise that Cornyn thinks the decision misguided because Franken won.  Wonder what he'd be saying if the tables were turned and Franken was making the claim.  No need to wonder.  There's a point at which the words small, petty, selfish, spiteful are inadequate to describe Coleman and the GOP's stance on this.  

Cornyn had a selective-memory lapse referencing the 2000 FL election in connection with MN and making sure every vote is counted.  Because the US Supreme Court stepped in too quickly, Al Gore never got a state-wide recount so many votes were not counted.  MN has allowed the complete recount, and done a fair and orderly review of ballots in accordance with their election rules.  It's done and Coleman should concede.  
Interesting to note that those posting from MN have a consistenr view (BethJ. John S. & Jay) The election,  the recountand court proceedings are done and it now seems time to allow Franken to assume the seat he has won.

As for Cornyn, I just marked his newsrag as SPAM so it will no longer stink up my inbox. ;)
Good grief.  The GOP really has lost it.

I became a Republican because of Reagan.  I disagreed with Clinton's policies initially, but after seeing him turn America around, I became an independent.

After 8 years of Bush, Cheney, and listening to the GOP saying anyone that isn't with them is un-American and trying to steal elections, I started leaning towards the Democrats.

I'm tired of hearing this socialist babble, Coleman crying, Fox News paying for people to have tea parties, Fox News telling people to send in tea bags which are driving up costs for tax payers because they have to be scanned for fear of anthrax.

Act responsible.  Act like Reagan, not like Nixon.
Misguided?  How about this -- texas Repukes follow your former leader the former dunce in chief and slink off into the texas dung heap!
LOL!

Um, as I read this article, the two ads that appear to the right are for colon cleanse products.  Can it possibly be that the smart-ads were triggered by just how utterly full of sh!t John Cornyn is?
Cornyn, where is your sidekick Kay?  Guess you escaped from the tent meeting enough to make this riduculous statement.

Three Judges?  Of course they are wrong.....You idiot Repukes only go with court rulings that are in your favor.....It's a new day.

Wanna try that Supreme Court of the US thing again, like back in 2000.....betcha won't go there.....!

Turn TEXAS BLUE!
Count the disputed 4000 votes. It's not going to change the outcome and would only take a matter of a couple of hours to do. For Coleman to be the winner would be more than a 10% difference than the votes already cast, which would be very unlikely. Then there are no reasons not to seat Franken.

The very essence of the word democracy means to be determined by a majority of ALL eligible to vote. Why are Republicans so quick to want to keep some eligible voters away from the polls? That was the meat behind the fired US District Attorneys under Bush and is also the underlying resentment of Acorn, which is there to register eligible voters. Why are so many Republicans afraid to register ALL qualified voters?  
Can we get a price tag on how much this is costing Norm Coleman to keep fighting this? I hope these numbers don't look too suspicious... then again...what a story that would be on top of the rest of this: ‘Former Senator Gets Deep Discounts’…
Personally as a Minnesotan, I am getting pretty sick of people from outside the state on both sides of the aisle commenting on a fair election process. Again, while the process has been long it has been fair and isn't that what we all should hope for in an election. This election included 3 million votes and we are now talking about a difference of 300 votes. Isn't that the amazing part?
Beth J., North St. Paul, MN (Sent Tuesday, April 14, 1:53


Yes, indeed.  And if ballots are not legally cast how can you count them?   However, once you start down that road it's littered with all those cans of worms...

Call it a day.  There WILL be other elections, Norm you can run again if you want too....


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