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First thoughts: Heading to Mexico

Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:21 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

*** Heading to Mexico: This morning, President Obama embarks on his third foreign trip as president (the other two were to Canada and Europe). He arrives in Mexico City at 2:10 pm ET; holds a bilateral meeting with President Calderon at 3:10 pm; and participates in a press conference with Calderon at 4:45 pm. Interestingly, this is Obama's first-ever visit to any part of Latin America, including Mexico. Not just as president, but EVER. Some Latin American observers see this as a sign that the president hadn't viewed the region as a priority as a senator or as a rising politician, and it has concerned some of these observers. Bottom line: Look for the president to go a bit over the top, if necessary, to convince Latin American leaders that he -- to borrow the words from the first President Bush -- will send the message of "I care." Moreover, unlike other international visits, the Mexico trip has very little to do with pure foreign policy, and is instead dominated mostly by domestic politics. From guns and immigration to the drug war and trade, the top issues on the agenda today all could have domestic political consequences for the president. In particular, people will pay attention to the back-and-forth between the two presidents on assault weapons.

Video: NBC’s Andrea Mitchell talks to Mexican President Felipe Calderon ahead of President Obama’s trip to the country where they’ll discuss the wave of recent drug-related violence.

*** Three other storylines: As for the rest of the trip after today -- the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad -- look for three storylines to emerge. One is Cuba. (Just how hard will the other Latin American leaders criticize the president for what they believe is not much change in our Cuba stance?). Two is anti-Americanism. (Many of the emerging political leaders of the region have gotten to power by bashing the U.S. Will the president confront this issue like he did in Europe? Anti-Americanism has always been stronger in Latin America than anywhere else.) And three, there's Hugo Chavez. (He's been bombastic at previous international gatherings, and has even spent the last week thumbing his nose at the U.S. in visits to Cuba, Iran, and China and taking little shots at the U.S. along the way. Will he do this in the presence of Obama? If he does, will other leaders cheer him on or being embarrassed? Will the president confront him or go out of his way to ignore him? Confronting him could be one of those tricky moments for the president; he could stare him down and get domestic political love for doing it. But confronting Chavez could elevate the Venezuelan in the eyes of the world.)

*** Rick Perry said what? There’s lots of coverage of yesterday’s tea parties below. But perhaps the biggest news came from the one in Austin, TX, where Texas Gov. Rick Perry suggested that Texas could secede from the union. The AP: “Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that. ‘There's a lot of different scenarios,’ Perry said. ‘We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot.’” Perry is definitely ambitious -- is he prepping himself for more than a GOP primary against Kay Bailey Hutchison? -- but this secession talk is pretty amazing coming from the governor of the country's second-largest state.

*** Palin returns to the Lower 48: As we've said before, the first 100 days of the Obama presidency haven't been kind to Sarah Palin. There was the confusion over whether she'd keynote the big NRSC/NRCC fundraiser in June, and organizers eventually replaced her with Newt Gingrich. Her daughter Bristol broke up with Levi Johnston, and her aides blasted Johnston after he appeared on Tyra Banks' show. Also, we found out her nominee for state attorney general called gays “degenerates” and defended a statue of a KKK figure. And earlier this month, Palin’s sister-in-law was arrested for allegedly burglarizing a house. Tonight, however, she has the opportunity to put all that behind her when she addresses a Vanderburgh County Right to Life fundraiser in Indiana at 8:00 pm ET; RNC chairman Michael Steele also is speaking at the event. Of course, critics are wondering why Palin wouldn't commit to the NRSC/NRCC dinner because the Alaska legislature was in session, but is attending tonight's fundraiser when -- you guessed it -- it's in session.

*** Our day at Shad Planking: Hundreds of people attended yesterday’s political festival in rural Wakefield, VA, including two of your First Read authors. The speeches by the three gubernatorial candidates in attendance (Republican Bob McDonnell and Democrats Terry McAuliffe and Brian Moran) were lighthearted. The beer was flowing. The people-watching was entertaining. And the shad fish, for which the festival is named? Um, not so good. In his speech, McDonnell lampooned the amount of money that McAuliffe has so far spent in the race. "He has created 100 jobs for the people of Virginia," the Republican joked. "I want to thank him for doing his part to stimulate the economy." In his speech, McAuliffe poked fun at McDonnell’s longer-than-expected remarks. "I don't need any windmills off the coast of Virginia Beach. We have Bob McDonnell." And Moran joked that he saw McAuliffe "setting up the martini bar on his way in." Two quick notes: One, most of the jokes were aimed at McAuliffe, which his campaign saw as a good thing (because they think it elevated him as Dem front-runner). And two, Bob McDonnell was pretty impressive. In him, Republicans have their best statewide candidate in years.

*** Tedisco in trouble? As of yesterday afternoon in the ongoing count in NY-20, Democrat Scott Murphy holds an 86-vote lead over Republican Jim Tedisco (79,105 vs. 79,019). The bad news for Tedisco? Most of the absentee ballots from Saratoga County -- which Tedisco won and which represents about a third of the congressional district -- have now been counted. Writes Politico: “Tedisco’s campaign was hoping to take over the lead once the absentee ballots from Saratoga County were included in the count… While Saratoga County has completed its count of the absentees, there are still about 700 challenged ballots in the county that may end up being included in the count.”

*** Lending is down? Finally, this Washington Post story caught our eye: “Lending by the nation's largest banks fell 6 percent in February from the previous month, continuing a downward trend that began in October with the financial crisis, according to data published yesterday by the Treasury Department.” So bank lending is down, despite how cheap money is right now for the banks? How can the administration force these banks to increase lending and then also do it at reasonable interest rates? 

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Sudden thoughts and second thoughts

It is becoming increasingly clear that Wing-Nuts, Neo-Cons, Fox Noise broadcasters and Ditto Heads are dangerous, seditious and treasonous.  Throw in Gov. Perry, Rep. Bachmann and a few other Boners, and you have the beginning of potential violence and domestic terrorism.

We as a nation hoped their ilk would calm down after the Obama victory.  We hoped they would just slowly fade away.  We didn’t think they would remain so noisy, obnoxious and rabid.  What bothers me is how much ‘pub’ they get from every media outlet.  Does it bother you that a small percentage of the population, devoid of any merit in their arguments, politically embarrassed and repudiated, still gets equal footing with the overwhelming majority?  And OBTW, is it any wonder the DHS risk report points directly at these folks?  Is Rush mad because it infers he is at fault, or mad because he was caught?

What should we do?   We can ignore them, implore others to do the same and continue to hope they fade away, or we can fight back.  But how would you do either?
Texas...take your tea bags and shove it!  Go ahead, secede!  We don't need or want your red necked state anymore!  And take Bush and DeLay with ya!
Wasn't there a protest around the country yesterday? What was that about anyway. You'd think it would be mentioned here, but no.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is a disgrace to the country. How in the world can you describe her in any other way. She has signed off on a report that targets 1) Returning vets 2) People that oppose abortions and 3) People opposed to “immigration” as potential terrorists.

First things first. Wasn’t it Napolitano that said we shouldn’t refer to terrorists as “terrorists”, but instead they should be called “Man-made Disaster Makers”. Looks like if it’s domestic terror, then we can call the terrorists “terrorists again.

But targeting returning vets as someone the government should keep on an eye on? What a load! This looks like a report targeted to appease the political base of the Democrats, something to shore up the fear factor, bias, and discrimination the left wing loons have for our military. Same goes for people that oppose abortion. Now pro-life people are to be watched by the government? How is the government going to keep track of all the Catholics in the country, because that’s exactly who this report targets. And last but not least is immigration. It doesn’t say illegal immigrants, just the catch-all word “immigration”. So someone that wants to enforce the current laws of the country is a risk to be a terrorist?

What is even more interesting is what the report doesn’t include. It doesn’t talk about Islamic people entering the country as being possible candidates to be terrorists. It doesn’t talk about illegal immigrants coming into the country as being terrorists. It doesn’t talk about Saudi’s coming into the country with the possibility of them being terrorists. No, it targets Americans that have values that the Democrats disagree with as being potential terrorists.

We knew that when the DHC was formed that it could be used against our citizens for the wrong reasons. Now it looks like it has.

Yeah, and is Fixed I mean FOX, CNN, MSNBC news rooms eat Gov. Perry alive for his comments? Glen Beck has really done his job, I guess!
Now we see what cnn and msnbc are really made of. We knew they probably hated before, but now we know for sure. The pejorative of "tea bagging" is expected from the knuckle-draggers you find on the blogs, especially the left leaning ones. But now that that term has leaked into the main stream media both on cnn and msnbc. It’s a little surprising on cnn, by they have been losing their bearings lately. With msnbc though, it is no surprise with Olbermann and the other retards on that station having a great big laugh-fest using 7th grade level humor. Just think if fox managed to go to the “Million Man March” and described it as “Gorillas On Parade”. The cry from the left wingnuts would have been heard around the world. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have work for the rest of their lives. But that would have been the equivalent of what msnbc and cnn did yesterday. What hacks that now occupy those networks. They should be ashamed.
Go ahead and secede from the union Texas! This sure is a stupid way of getting attention, Rick Perry. And they are suggesting that you might even have aspirations to run for the presidency?!Of what? I guess "stupid is as stupid does." PS: We need our stimulus check back, when you leave.  
I saw last night on Rachel the Gov Perry's rating is at 35%.  Doesn't sound like he's well like in Tex.  

Good luck on your trip Mr Pres.  I am very proud to have him as your representative of the U.S. I used to worry about our last idiot in charge opening his mouth while in other countries.  He wasn't my choice for a good rep of the US.
Mexico City is a symbolic stop, but most Americans will surely ignore this trip and whatever fears they had about illegal immigration or Mexico they once had to focus on the recession.

Obama needs the public to cultivate trust in an economic deputy so it doesn;t appear he's shirking the economy when he leaves the country.

http://www.political-buzz.com/
Why is Obie going to Mexico?

Cant he just send them a text message with his Blackberry.

"I'm sorry, its America's Fault, Bush did it, want some money" Obie's text message

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Seriously though,

Why cant we Buy Mexico?
It shouldn't cost more than $20

no joe, no bo, : MSiera:  yes, Reagan was right-but you are leaving out the entire context of his quote…’



Reagan: ‘The deficit doesn’t matter if the economy is growing’

Reagan: ‘The deficit is big enough to take care of itself’

What is the entire context of these quotes ??



‘… It is the percentage of the deficit that matters, not the actual number.  


During Reagan's administration, the deficit as a percentage of GNP (which was what we used then to measure the economy, rather than GDP), dropped to the 3% range.  This is akin to having your debt drop from 10% of you income to 3% of your income-you are in a better financial state….’



Can you show me some figures ?
I’d LOVE to see them
Do you have any figures for this claim ?



‘… This drop can be accomplished one of two ways-you pay down your debt, or you raise your income.  During the Reagan years, we increased federal receipts, (income) which simultaneously increasing output, decreased tax rates while simultaneously increasing tax receipts, and, yes, increased the whole dollar size of the federal deficit while simultaneously decreasing the percentage of GNP….’


Actually, ‘Supply side economics’ was a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE !

The deficit was wildly out of control
Reagan had to RAISE TAXES to lower the deficit
That’s right St. Ronnie RAISED TAXES !!

He did the same thing as Governor of California


‘…It isn't rocket science….’


It sounds more like a CON JOB

Why is it you never hear about ‘supply Side Economics’ any more ?

By the way, when did Mr. Laffer get his Nobel Prize for Economics ?
Why don’t you see Laffer cited any more ??
Hmmmmmmmm ??  Ever wonder ?



‘…What Obama is doing is spending us into oblivion by increasing the deficit at a time of shrinking GDP.  Now, I admit, spending by the government is necessary during recession…’


Thank you
Richard Nixon: ‘We’re all Keynesians, now’
And how useful is a ‘Budget Freeze’ ?
That’s what Republicans are suggesting in the ‘ Solution Center ’

Will a ;’Budget Freeze’ fix a recession ?



‘…but how that money is spent matters.  So yes, to road projects; no to increased bureaucracy which further deteriorates the economy both instantly and in the future…’



Public works is Great for the economy

Unfortunately, it takes a long while to get these projects going

We should have a large part of the stimulus in public works (roads, bridges, airports, mass transit) but we also need immediate stimulus

Extending unemployment benefits

That’s for people who WORKED !!

Helping States and localities keeps teachers, fire fighters and police on the job

Who would argue against that?

(the three republican ‘moderates’ did)





Please keep in mind that Reagan, Bush & Bush are responsible for 90% of our national debt

Conservative cries against deficits seem to ring hollow



I’d like to see your figures on Reagan’s deficit as a percentage of GNP



PS

Health care reform could give our corporations a competitive advantage in the market place ( or at least, remove the disadvantage they now bear)

It might help small business to retain good people who need health care benefits
Too bad that the Limbaugh sheep that tea-bagged yesterday didn't really protest anything relevant.  There were more people protesting teleprompters and the President's looks than anything else.  Shallow and immature...not to mention ignorant.  That's what the republican base is all about though.  They are nothing more than sheep.  
Rick Perry & Sarah Palin should get together & merge Texas and Alaska, (being that they both want to secede from the union) and form a new country.  They can put all the right wing nut cases there and leave the rest of us alone.
Lending is down, foreclosures at an all time high, people (even those with job security) are spending less, 600,000 more jobs lost every month, and Obama tells us the economy is doing good???  And you all believe him?  What a joke.
Come on FR! Lending is down in the top  banks. Yes BUT it is up in medium to small banks. Of interest might be who loans to whom? I would hypothesize that the medium to small are more main street banks and the large ones big business boys. How about a little reporting here???
L Sinclaire, you need to get a grip.  The Department of Homeland Security monitors "terrorist" activity of all kinds.  What its report stated was that there was a noticeable rise in that activity on the "far right" or "fringe right" and that returning veterans were susceptible to that influence.  If you care about the country, you should fear "terrorists" of all types -- that is, people who terrorize citizens -- bullies, but with more firepower.  It is not about "values that Democrats disagree with" -- it's about burning down churches and houses, committing violent crimes against fellow citizens, bombing things and taking potshots at law enforcement officers.  You are just as much a victim of these "terrorists" if you believe their version of events.
I think guys are hard-wired to have selective listening, you know...tune out meaningless chatter, but pay attention when someone you respect is speaking. So it is when Lawrence O'Donnell and Howard Fineman are guests on MSNBC.  Yesterday Fineman was in Louisville, attending the tea bag party.  He said the participants were "local minded" and not "global minded" I concluded that the party goers do not see the inter-connectedness between events.  Their signs said the same thing. Somehow they miss that taxes pay for roads, schools, health-care, national security, police, firefighters, postal service, etc.  They see the world as if looking out of a cave opening: failing to see the big picture.  The proble is the worlkd is changing faster than they can imagine. No wonder they are conservative.

Two addditonal thoughts about tea baggin.  1)If you added up all the people across the country who attended these parties, you would have fewer than the number of people who attended Grant Park when President Obama was selected POTUS. 2) The tea baggin events were leaderless, which is like a train going nowhere.  

Will President Obama release the torture memos? I bet not.  The GOP are threatening to go nuclear.  I say, "Let them go nuclear, one has to stand up to bullies." Wire tapping and torture issues will not go away. This may be the hardest decision President Obama has had to make. My sense is President Obama would prefer to face this problem in 9 months to a year from now. He has important legislation he must first attend to...But if he doesn't get it right the first time, he will have to revisit it.
I saw last night on Rachel the Gov Perry's rating is at 35%.  Doesn't sound like he's well like in Tex.  


cindy, las vegas, nv (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:33 AM)

Yeah, it's tough when you have to say no to people, when you have to manage a state in tough economic times, when you have to make choices. It's better to just print money and give everyone everything they want. That's what makes you popular. At least until the bill comes due.
Glimmers of hope for the Obama administration is when only 500,000 people are fied in a month.
The Sarah Palin brand has become tarnished beyond repair. But when you think about it, she never had a legitimate platform in the first place. One blogger said that she ignited the base and I agree. She ignited the base and helped to turn it into ashy cinders. I'm loving that!

Tea Bagging Rallies, Sarah Palin Rallies, Klan Rallies: they are practically indistinguishable one from the other.
L.Sinclaire, Boston MA,  First off let me remind you of Timothy McVeigh! Second I am not accusing any vet they are a danger to this country.  I think it is right to think in this manner as the right wingers try to get a hold of vets they just might be able to convince them to do harm.  Must think outside of the box and think of domestic enemies as well.
We knew that when the DHC was formed that it could be used against our citizens for the wrong reasons. Now it looks like it has.
L.Sinclaire, Boston MA (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:30 AM)
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The report was about what has changed from what the DHS tracks not just pointing to all threats. If it were about all potential threats the list would be very long.
Yeah lending is down by the banks while they jack up their fees and rates and get ready to pay the crooked executives huge bonuses.  Last night we find out that the bushwhacker and munster paulson gave the banks a sweetheart deal 6 months ago with the first half of the TARP money.  The bushwhacker sold us out for 66 cents on the dollar, ensuring that we only break even if the stock market goes up %50 from the levels of September, or back to the highest level the markets reached years ago.  This is why we can never trust the repugnant ones to ever control government again as they will sell us taxpayers out to the lowest bidder.

Hey how does planked shad taste or did you guys pass on that fare for something more edible?  Good thing you guys didn't go to Florida to go fishing or all you'd have had hanging off your fishing poles would be chad.

What's that stench?  Oh it's Sinner Sarah loose again in the lower 48.  Talking to a bunch of pro lifers is the surest way to keep this degenerate the polarizing figure that she has always proven to be.  She should be a soap opera not a politician as she has shown how degenerate her lifeview is.  Let's hope that Alaskans get smart and get rid of this worthless self serving politician.

Impeach Palin Now!
Way to go Texas!!  Don't mess with Texas!!
Seriously though,

Why cant we Buy Mexico?
It shouldn't cost more than $20

The Last Living Democrat (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:34 AM)

It's the problems with the water down there. If it wasn't for that, buying it up would be a snap.
'...Tedisco in trouble? As of yesterday afternoon in the ongoing count in NY-20, Democrat Scott Murphy holds an 86-vote lead over Republican Jim Tedisco (79,105 vs. 79,019). The bad news for Tedisco? Most of the absentee ballots from Saratoga County -- which Tedisco won and which represents about a third of the congressional district -- have now been counted. Writes Politico: “Tedisco’s campaign was hoping to take over the lead once the absentee ballots from Saratoga County were included in the count….'


We're witnessing the rise of 'CRYBABY CONSERVATISM'

throw a fit when you don't win elections
Refuse to accept defeat like Norm Coleman
Norm Coleman LOST THE ELECTION
But, he refuses to accept it

Conservatives lost the 2008 election
GET OVER IT
Now, they don't want 'Big Government' or the 'Liberal Agenda'

TOO BAD !!

YOU LOST !!

It's called 'Majority Rule'

Conservatives hitched their wagon to the failed Bush Presidency

The Americqn people have REJECTED CONSERVATISM !
They've rejected Laissez-Faire and Cultural Conservatism

You CAN'T dictate to Schiavo when she can or can't live
You CAN'T DICTATE to Elian Gonzalez where he lives
You CAN'T dictate to the LGBT community if the can or can't marry
You CAN'T dictate to women if they can use birth control or even have an abortion

YOU LOST !!

elections have consequences

These are the consequences
It is not about "values that Democrats disagree with" -- it's about burning down churches and houses, committing violent crimes against fellow citizens, bombing things and taking potshots at law enforcement officers.  You are just as much a victim of these "terrorists" if you believe their version of events.
let it be (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:39 AM)

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How many of these things have happened since Obie became president?

Answer - 0

Your answer like Obie's speach is just a Smoke screen.
I am constantly amazed at the immature behavior of the Republicans over this entire part of our American journey together.

Where are all of those values that I thought were taught to us by our parents: Good sportsmanship, team playing, honesty, etc.

I am disappointed and embarressed by my fellow conservative Americans that are displaying bad behavior.

I wish the silent ones who do not agree with this mess would speak up!!

I am afraid of the anger and violence and prejudice that is surfacing again!
Perry said. ‘We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that.
look here ricky!!! when the hell has the Obama Administration thumb there noses at the american people, i think you have president Obama Mixes up with former President George Walker Bush.
lets List out what the former president did in his 8 years,
1. invading iraq based upon a lie. 4000+ dead 12 billion per month when american were suffering finicial trouble.
2. that first 350 billion on the bank resuce that No one know where it went.
3. left this country in finical ruin after screwing up the surplus former president clintion left him
4. giving tax breaks to people that did not need them and did not reinvent them in america
5 lying on a constistant bases for 8 years.
6. leaving our standing in the world at a all time low.

ricky, you have some splaning to do, go ahead and susceed, you can go back to being apart of mexico!!!
where bandits ues to run around murdering people, oha wait a minute that going on right now!!!!
ricky you a goof!!!
we need to put a fence around texas so no one can get out instead of putting the fence on the mexican border!!!! ricky you and mexican need each other!!!

and folks this is the state that did not tell slaves that there were free for 10 years after lincoln freed us!!!!
Off topic, I know, but bear with me.
To Hate the Todd, Mpls, MN: (from post in First Thoughts: Tea Time)
It is no wonder to me that you would not use a real handle on your post. Although you may not agree with what Terry posts (I often do not), your response was horrific, ignorant, totally lacking in common courtesy, and contributed absolutely nothing to the conversation. I am stunned that there is no moderation that filters (even marginally) posts for this type of hatred. There is no need to respond in any way to your post except to say that there is NO one here, (neither conservative nor liberal) that condones or agrees with it. Please go away and keep your disgusting ignorance to yourself.
PS We ARE proud!
Wasn't there a prostest around the country yesterday? What was that about anyway.  You'd think it would be mentioned here, but no.  Signed, Does't Fit The Template
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I agree with you and I am asking too, "What was that about?" I saw people who didn't have a clue as to what the Boston Tea Party was all about. I am also wondering, again, why are they blaming a man who has been in office for 90 days or so for some things that were put into motion way before he got there! Let him do his job and then blame him! Every job I have ever worked on had at least a six month probationary period. What happened to the man who had the same job eight years before and had a surplus when he got there? Yes, I did hear some of the people blaming both the democrats and the republicans, yet,most of them want to put all the blame on the current president. What's that all about?  

Time to show traitors like Rick Perry how we treat traitors who advocate secession, by sending down federal troops and putting him in prison.  This just shows what kind of false patriots the lunatic fringe republic party is made up of and why we can never trust the repugnant ones with control of the government.

Speaking of false patriots how about the wimpy tea parties the economic girly men held yesterday?  We saw the face of those stingy little creeps who think only about themselves and only think of what their country can do for them and not what they can do for our country.

How about that NC jerky boy Dick Burr who we find out yesterday had told his wife to take as much monmey out of the ATM as she could for several days when he learned inside information about the banking crisis  last September.  Last week I dogged this crooked senator for holding up Tammy Duckworth's nomination to the VA and one of his clueless constituents replied to me that he was proud of this burr in our collective behind.  Yeah how proud are you now clueless constituent now that you know for certain that he'd sell you out in a heartbeat?  Wake up fool and smell the reality!

Impeach Perry Now!
Impeach Burr in our Behind Now!
Is Canada really 'overseas'?  International, maybe; but overseas?  Hmmm
^^^^^^^^
Couple of words for you guys at First Read:

Air Card

just sayin',...
Lending is down, foreclosures at an all time high, people (even those with job security) are spending less, 600,000 more jobs lost every month, and Obama tells us the economy is doing good???  And you all believe him?  What a joke.
Broker today than yesterday (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:36 AM)
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Everything you list (except lending) are trailing indicators of the the economy. So what say you now?
It is not about "values that Democrats disagree with" -- it's about burning down churches and houses, committing violent crimes against fellow citizens, bombing things and taking potshots at law enforcement officers.  You are just as much a victim of these "terrorists" if you believe their version of events.
let it be (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:39 AM)

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How many of these things have happened since Obie became president?

Answer - 0

Your answer like Obie's speach is just a Smoke screen.
The Last Living Democrat (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:47 AM)

And they say the Right uses scare tactics. The Left wrote the book on scare tactics!
Eric - Yeah lending is down by the banks while they jack up their fees and rates and get ready to pay the crooked executives huge bonuses.

You're right. The government should nationalize the banks so things like this do not happen. Oh wait, you say that's already been done by Obama?

Nevermind.
Just which seas does Obama cross to get to Canada and Mexico?  There must be a more direct route.
"Asked about the report's assertion that some U.S. military veterans could be seen as potential converts to right wing extremism during a time of a down economy, Napolitano said the report was a routine form of guidance for state and local police and that it is a set of assertions, "not accusations."

"These are intelligence assessments. They are for situational awareness for law enforcement, indeed as the VFW said yesterday, this is an assessment not an accusation," she said. "I really want to stress to the veterans out there watching this today, that report did not, and we do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists."

"I really want to stress to the veterans out there that this report did not and we did not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists."

House Minority Leader John Boehner assailed Napolitano's department for the report and called on the agency to apologize to veterans. "To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable," Boehner, R-Ohio, said Wednesday.

Asked about that, Napolitano said, "He wants to make some political hay."

"It's an assessment of a situation where you have a down economy, other factors that go on that historically have given rise to violence. ...," the secretary said. "This is an assessment of things just to be wary of, not to infringe on constitutional rights certainly not to malign our veterans."

Napolitano suggested that critics have taken the report's findings out of context and that there has been a lot of political spinning "out there in Washington, D.C. land."

"These are routine reports," she said, "one was begun months ago, in fact, in preparation before this new administration took office."
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I see on some political boards some veterans who are out and out angry towards the Obama Administration. Really really hateful towards not only President Obama, but Democrats, gays, anti-war demonstrators, etc. They keep "bragging" about being a veteran, yet behave like idiots. What exactly did they fight for in Iraq? I used to give money to veteran associations, but I have to admit I've been thinking twice about it.

In WWII, our fathers fought in a war, came home and went and made a living. They didn't stand on a corner bragging, day in, day out, about being a soldier and dictating to the rest of the country their beliefs. They had dignity.

This isn't representative of all veterans for sure. But when I think back to the swift boaters, I began to take a second look at them. There are great veterans, there are not so great veterans. I wish some of them would put their money where their mouths are and reach out to their fellow vets who are having a tough go of it, after 2, 3, 4 tours of duty.
Palin's state attorney general is anti-gay and pro-KKK...and she actually looked us all in the faces and told us with her overly lipsticked face that she tolerates gays [for the record, I always had a problem with the use of the word tolerate like that...acceptance would be better] and was some kind of a maverick.  Thank my lipton tea bags we were all smart enough to send her back to the tundra!
L.Sinclaire, Boston MA,  First off let me remind you of Timothy McVeigh!

Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA

1 of 42,000,000 returning vets. You're disabled all right, above the neck.
Hey FR please tell us what seas one goes over to get to Canada and Mexico from the US. Perhaps the President is going abroad or traveling to neighboring countries but over seas?

It is still illegal for an state to cecede from the union. Thirteen of them tried that 150ish years ago and got in trouble for it. Like little children throwing a temper tantrum for not getting things their way any state that talks of leaving this great land is being stupid. What traitors would advocate such things?

The Palin family just like any normal American family, with inlaws robbing, breakups of unmarried mothers and their shiftless boyfriends, crooked associates, even a redneck or two in the crowd. Yessiree Bob an average American family. Family values are alive and well in the Palin family and setting the example for others. (NOT)

Once people get confidence in banks and banks in people the lending and borrowing will resume. I see it happening already in our area albeit slowly.
it's funny how the repubs who post here, and use different names "you know it's the same few people because they always say the same thing, they just rearrange the words a little bit."  They want to blame Pres. Obama for this failed economy; "when in realality Obama is not even in office 100 days Yet,  what a joke.
Another good day for Murphy in NY-20 as his lead is still increasing, now up around 80.  If the best country for the Bernie Madoff clone didn't put him ahead of Murphy then it looks good for Murphy to win a repugnant one's district.

How about sicko Lush Limburger blasting Obama for his perfect performance in the pirate hostage crisis just because he's black and he actually defended the poor black teenage pirates as being victims of Obama's bloodlust.  This clown belongs in an insane asylum not on talk radio and so do his listeners.

Poor Barack has to head down south to Mexico to repair the damage the bushwhacker caused with our southern neighbors in Central and South America.  Poor guy has to repair so much damage from Clueless George that it hinders getting new stuff done.  Good thing that Obama is the right man for the job as he is so good at diplomacy and cleaning up Clueless George's messes.

In Obama We Trust!
In Murphy We Trust!
Rick Perry's and his secessionist threats remind me of another pipsqueak who doesn't play well with others...Kim Jong Il.  

So take your ball and go home. See if Sarah and Todd want to go with you.

Crybaby.
Were you sleeping when the Three Stooges were running up the debt ?

Reagan: 'Deficits don't matter if the economy is growing'

Was he RIGHT, Pete ??


MSierra, SF

NO! And your point is? Please explain how Obama's continued need to be like Bush is acceptable? Your example indicates that you agree with the Bush policies as Obama has continued in the same path with a significant number of them. It's interesting how one wrong seems to justify another.

The one major difference with Regan was as you quoted, the economy was growing.

Not the case we have here with Obama-Bush Same Same.

Bush - Obama SAME SAME.  Even the world leaders are saying Obama is proposing much of what Bush has already proposed.

Your Obama is Bush with a suntan. Accept it.

Sammy Same, CA
Perry said. ‘We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that."
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This is the most naked of political ploys.  Perry knows he has a small shot against Kay Bailey Hutchison (sorry if I misspell that).  He has to rally the base, and making Washington the enemy is the oldest ploy.

Remember William Cohen's line: "The government is the enemy until you need a friend."

Governor, will you be giving back the disaster relief money?
Tea Bagging Rallies, Sarah Palin Rallies, Klan Rallies: they are practically indistinguishable one from the other.
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Really?  What tea party were you at?  The one I was at in Newport News, Virginia was peaceful and pleasant.  There were people singing God Bless America, folks brought their dogs, people were waving flags, and guess what, there were people of ALL races there.  No one was angry or shouting and there wasn't the least bit of ugliness.  Even I was surprised there weren't some fringe attendees.  But go ahead and marginalize it.  I'm sure you're part of that group that cares so much about middle-class Americans.  
Why is it that these Governors from OIL states have spewed about wanting to secede?They love the stim money and want to spend it as they see fit,and than when asked to pay there part they say FU.Well it's time to cut our losses,let these wacko fend for them selfs.Let them fix there own roads,let them fix the there own town after a twister goes thru,let them take on the Mexican drug lords.Let Texas go back to Mexico,Let Russia have Alaska back,ain't no big thing to me.You gotta love the Palin story,Un=wed daughter that has a kid the same age as the mothers kid,her sister-in-law arrested for stealing,her choice for AG is a KKK lover,one has to wonder how these   seemingly touched people get elected?
Palin's state attorney general is anti-gay and pro-KKK


Palin's attorney general is Robert Byrd?  
Hey what did you guys really catch on your fishing trip, come on you really didn't waste time going to that shad planking on a nice spring day did you?  So does planked shad taste like chicken?  Good thing you guys didn't go fishing in Florida or all you would have had hanging from your fishing poles is chad. :-)

It was rather pathetic to see the economic girly men having their tea parties.  I thought tea parties were for little girls, oh that's what the economic girly men are who were whining about paying taxes.  Looks like fox and freaks couldn't bring out the big crowds they were touting they would.  Ha Ha losers!

What's that stench here in the lower 48, eeww it's Sinner Sarah ditching her legislature to go pal around with pro life extremists.  People of Alaska get smart and get rid of this wicked witch before she wrecks your state!

Impeach Palin!
Impeach Perry!
Impeach Burr!


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