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CIA operatives won't be prosecuted

Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:54 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Pete Williams and Mark Murray
A senior Justice Department official says Attorney General Eric Holder has concluded that CIA operatives who followed the legal guidance they were given will not be prosecuted, even if they used harsh interrogation methods.

Video: CIA operatives who followed Bush interrogation guidelines on suspected terrorists will not be prosecuted for using methods such as waterboarding. NBC’s Pete Williams reports.

If they acted "in good faith and in conformance" to the instructions they had, those officers will not face prosecution for administering even waterboarding and other methods that have since been disavowed.

This does not mean, the official said, that no CIA personnel could be prosecuted for their conduct in the war on terror. "If they went beyond the guidance or acted irresponsibly," the official said, they could still face prosecution.

The AP adds, "The decision comes as the Obama administration releases four long-secret legal memos from the Bush administration authorizing a dozen harsh interrogation techniques against high-value terror suspects."

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That's it Obama. Keep the focus on how bad America is, all the things it's done wrong, and how much it owes an apology to the rest of the world. Keep the focus off the terrorists, ehh, I mean Man-Made Disaster Makers.
I agree 100% with this. In the future we must resort to the New Obama shoot, kill without a trial or apprehension policy.

A smart man, he takes away any problems with prisoners being able to talk or report torture tactics.

When the heart stops beating, there is NO Repeating!

Our new President Obama is showing the World our New Kinder, Gentler approach.
One can look at this two ways. Just like those guarding Nazi concentration camps...."just following orders" famous last words as jail doors klink. Or, yes lets not fool with the little fish we can get them out of the way and go after the big fish. Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and maybe a couple of others better be careful they would be the big fish in this scenario. (Which one gets to play shad first and get planked...er waterboarded?)
This is JUST WRONG !!
These were Crimes Against Humanity !!

Why didn't they let Mussolini go ?
That way they could 'look forward, instead of backward'

There's NO SUCH THING as 'Legal orders' to torture

Obama is NOT PERFECT
In this instance he's rather cowardly and political

there is RIGHT AND WRONG

Torture is WRONG
What about the folks who issued the directives?  Where are we on their prosecutions?

Stop FISA NOW!
When is Obama going to turn the CIA loose against the real terrorists of the country? The people that went to the teabagger parties yesterday! I'm sure the feds got lots of pictures of those nuts, so it's time to collect them and send them to an island, maybe Cuba, for some shall we say, "re-education"!
This sounds an awful lot like COMPROMISE to me.  Rather than buckle to Republicans who threatened to shut down the government if he released any memos, and rather than go full-tilt to the left and order immediate trials of all involved, he took the middle road.  Releasing the memos will allow us more insight into what happened and who ordered it.

I'm far less interested in prosecuting the actual operatives who poured the water down the throats and up the nostrils of shackled detainees than in prosecuting those who authorized and ordered this behavior.  Maybe these memos will help us nail those who are really responsible.  Maybe not.  Either way, we'll know more tomorrow than we know today and that's always a good thing.
Did Obama kneel for the President of Mexico today?
Great Job Obama,

What they did was NOT illegial and was NOT against the Geneva convention.

"harsh interrogation techniques" are not Illegial interrogation techniques.

The US Navy Seals go thru FAR worse techniques than the prisoners went thru.  And they do it willingly!

And what is Spain's response...
Conde-Pumpido said in a breakfast meeting with journalists. He said a trial of the men would have turned Spain's National Court "into a plaything" to be used for political ends. (CNN News reporting)

I would let you waterboard me if it would save thousands of americans!

If sleep deprevation was classified as illegial - when I went to college the teachers gave me so much homework I had to stay up all night.  Did they tortue me?  At the time I probably thought so. :-)

Obama standing up for America's Military,
I am pleasently suprised -

Thank You Obama!

(see all you leftist whackos - I do defend him when he is correct)
The Last Living Democrat: '...MSierra, SF

So how do you like you increased sales tax?

How about the tent cities? ...'


I don't mind sales taxes
We do NEED more TAXES in California to balance our budget

We're gonna buy a new computer
So, we'll feel it, but that's OK
Maybe $5 ti $10, big deal


'...Actually,  I have been to SF twice - both times I loved it.  There were some strange beggers on the streets that wont go away (your not one of them are you)...'

The trick is NOT to make Eye contact
I love our restaurants
My wife is Chinese, os we eat a lot of Asian meals
We've got a TY show where they review restaurants (Check Please, Bay Area)
We've gotten to go to a couple of them and my younger daughter flipped over on (Shanghai Dumpling King)

Yopu just gotta get used to a high cost of living

(and strange street scenes)


'...Love America and Love Americans!!!
Where else can we disagree and still we would fight and die to defend each other!..'

good point !!
Being able to disagree peacefully is the whole point

Back at you

Good.  Let's move forward, everybody.  We have a lot of work to do.  
My hat is off to the Obama administration for its efforts to restore American values to our system of justice, and for eliminating torture as a means of interrogation of ANY terrorist, be he foreign or domestic. After all, we tried Timothy McVeigh in a court of law, didn't we?  Had we tortured him, he would have been able to go Scott free...

But, what remains to be done, is to bring those civil servants to trial for the war crimes they have committed. Now, I am not referring to CIA officers who merely carried out instructions, but to those senior Bush administration officials that granted permission to TORTURE, which is an international war crime, which should not just be swept under the rug. I am talking about Addington, Yoo, Rove, Cheney, and any other senior officials who took part in this clear violation of international law and the Geneva Convention.

Those who were lawyers, like John Yoo, should be immediately disbarred, and along with the others who approved torture, should be criminally charged.

Or, should we have to depend on another country, such as Spain, to enforce international law for us? This would add shame upon shame. Our country deserves better, and 9-11 was not an excuse to throw all the inconvenient laws and international treaties aside.

We must to set a new precedent, a precedent of justice and fairness.  But, we have not yet finished that task.
Nor should they be.  The reason what they do is classified "Top Secret" is to maintain the countries safety.   People clammoring for Secret or Top Secret information haven't got a clue as to what is going on in this world.   What has happend to Obama the appeaser, who was elected by the left to undo all things Bush is he is now facing reality.  The reality that many people out there whether through jeolousy or pure raw hatred want to destroy our way of life.  

His broken campaign promises were a given when he was making them.  All the promises indicated to anyone who had ever had a top secret clearance was that he didn't have any idea of what he was talking about.  Just like 99% of those who sponsored him haven't got a clue as to what is really going on.

That is why he is still tapping phones, and will probably just send prisoners taken in this war to a country where our laws and priviledges for our citizens do not exist.   Since he wants Gitmo closed he should send them all back to the authorities in their own countries, and let them deal with them.  Trust me they won't get welfare and a new home.

Fire them all....  NOW! (It seems they forgot that they work for "We the People", and we pay their wages along with their benefits, and provide them with the money for their spending spree!
This is a difficult issue to resolve. Nazis were convicted at Nuremberg after using they were "just following orders" defense.

I am NOT comfortable with what was authorized or what was done and there has been NO VERIFIABLE evidence presented that info obtained in this manner prevented any further attacks. Former VP's assertions to the contrary, where's the proof?

America and Americans where shocked after 911 but that shock does not, in my opinion, justify these actions that are clearly against the Genenva Convention. Calling them "enemy combatants" does not change these facts.

I grew up watching WWII movies where the "dirty Japs" tortured our brave soldiers. How? by waterbnoarding them!

This whole incident and the defense of it by BOTH parties SUCKS!!!
I agree 100%!

President Obama just proved that taking prisoners is risky. Take them out and then they can't shout...right?

That's were Bush messed up.

Quite a leader, that President Obama. Not making the same mistakes Bush did.
Who seriously needs trials or incarceration when we have Navy Seals to stop it quick without all the headaches and bad press of talking prisoners.

You go Obama!

This is totally disgusting!  Ignorance of the law/Constitution is NOW, an excuse.  

So, the defense is "MY BOSS MADE ME DO IT"?!!!

Very disappointing decision!
OBAMA got it RIGHT!

We applaud the concious decision to stand by them.

For this moment, we ALL like our President!
PROSECUTE THE CIA ACCUSERS FOR TREASON --- SINCE COWARDISM IS NOT A CRIME!

PROSECUTE THE CIA ACCUSERS FOR TREASON --- SINCE COWARDICE IS NOT A CRIME!

PROSECUTE THE CIA ACCUSERS FOR TREASON --- SINCE BEING A COWARD IS NOT A CRIME!
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Ah. So the CIA is in the clear because they were following orders at the same time the government is trying to deport an 89 year-old immigrant to stand trial for WW2. What message are we sending?
As for Democrats blindly following the leader-read the above posts-I rest my case.

The fact that you've been clamoring for exactly the opposite of what Obama has done no longer registers with you at all, does it?

This news has to be sour for you to swallow, so I'll tell you all a very amusing story to try to cheer you up:

I have a very dear friend who was an 8 term congressman-a fiscally conservative democrat who voted against Bill Clinton's tax increase.  As a result of his 'nay' vote, the DNC refused him any funding for his re election campaign in '96, so he was left to do it on his own.

At a family gathering that fall, he was bemoaning the uphill battle he faced, and said that the 'only votes I can really count on are in this room'.

At that point, his grandfather spoke up.  "Son," he said, "I have only voted for a Democrat once in my life.  I was on jury, and we voted to convict the SOB!"

My friend lost his seat.
The stain of what we did will be on us forever.

Nothing the Obama Adminstration does or does not do will change that.

The terrorists brought us down to their level, which is exactly what they wanted to do.
When did our country become so soft. Waterboarding??? Seriously??? Sleep Deprivatation??? Come on. Its embarassing that some people have so much of a problem with this.
That "change" slogan is wearing off pretty fast huh?
Ah. So the CIA is in the clear because they were following orders at the same time the government is trying to deport an 89 year-old immigrant to stand trial for WW2. What message are we sending?

NYJ, NY, New York (Sent Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:45 PM)
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That 89 year old immigrant was involved in the deaths of more than 29,000 Jews.  The difference is that the CIA officials who actually carried out the orders were told explicitly that they were legal.  We need to go after the ones who fed them those lies.
I wish that I had a job where I would be immune from consequences for my actions. Obama has traded principle for pragmatism; unfortunately, it takes neither character nor courage to do do.


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