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Canada PM defends Obama on Chavez

Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:07 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Andrea Mitchell and John Holland
On a conference call this morning with reporters to discuss Iran and the U.N. Human Rights conference, Canada's conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper vigorously defended President Obama's handling of Hugo Chavez at this weekend's summit.

In response to a question about the criticism of Obama by some conservative politicians in the United States, Harper said that he is a conservative, but thinks that Obama's handling of Venezuela was effective at advancing America's values and interests.

"Let me be a bit of a conservative defender of the president in this regard," Harper said. "I was present obviously at all the meetings -- not the meeting between President Obama and the South American leaders, obviously wasn't at that. But I was present at the summit meeting, all of the plenary sessions."

"I thought President Obama did an excellent job of expressing the values, and priorities of the U.S. of America," he added. "I thought that he allowed ... a dialogue to take place in a good spirit to animate the room -- which I thought made the meetings productive. I think [it] made the U.S., took the U.S. to a higher plane than the Venezuelas of the world, and I think was very effective at moving the vast majorities of countries, reaffirming a very centrist position and very progressive position on the things that concern us: democracy, human rights, open markets, trade."

Harper concluded, "I know he got some criticism at home. But, you know, the U.S. is bigger than Venezuela in the end. The U.S. is the U.S., and I thought President Obama led in a way that was very effective at that conference."

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Start the irrational right-wing outrage in 3, 2, 1.

Boy, if they could just lose a portion of their vitrol and allow some non-Fox generated information to permeate they may realize the good that's being done.  But then again, there's some that will never accept that this country has elected a black man to lead this country.  Too bad for them and their blinding ignorance.
Harper, don't go muddying the Repubs daily rant with logic, reason or an inside view of the facts on the ground.  It really messes with their wiring and if they 'short' out on Monday, they aren't going to be worth a d@mn for the rest of the week.

What's that?  You say they aren't worth a d@mn now?  Well, I guess you'd have to win the battle of wits war, on that one.  But, so early in the week.  Whatever will they complain about next?

No fear, it will be meaningless and trivial - and coming up in 3-2-1.
Chavez, Obama, and Harper. Three socialists. All supporting each other. Wonders never cease.
How bad has it become when the POTUS needs to be defended by a Canadian? What's next, Peru needs to check in to buck up the "young" Presidents ego?
Thanks to PM Harper, an objective, conservative attendee at the meeting who spoke truth.  It makes the republican pundits and the media look as foolish as they have sounded the last few days; criticism for the sake of criticism lacks substance.
Harper concluded, "I know he got some criticism at home. But, you know, the U.S. is bigger than Venezuela in the end. The U.S. is the U.S., and I thought President Obama led in a way that was very effective at that conference."
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Rational people of good will from all political perspectives are coming together around a common sense agenda of international cooperation.

The key word her of course is "rational" - that which can be demonstrated and proven using "facts", not spin and talking points.

Reality is making a comeback, and not a moment too soon.



"...critism at home..."  The only critism President Obama received was from the minority group better known as the G"NO"P.  Most people here at home are behind this President 100% BECAUSE HE'S DOING A FANTASTIC JOB in cleaning up the mess that the Republican'ts and big business have been making for the past eight years.  The G"NO"P is completely and totally out of touch with Americans, and they are looking more like home-grown terrorists more and more each day.
Give credit where it is due...Chavez clearly is a good a judge of character...he shook Obama's hand, but had to do an emergency mini-exorcism at the UN's podium to cast off Bush's sulphuric devil's demon.
At last, someone that thinks like myself. President Obama did do a wonerrful job. Some of you reporters got it right and some, definately got it wrong. Remember...we the people are watching and listening to everything that is being said and done.

We have the power of the vote and we also have the power of ratings....great job Andrea, Tim Russert would be proud of you. Some of the rest of you all need to pay attention.
FR: " Harper said that he is a conservative"

Harper said he's a conservative?!? Rotflmao! Harper is a conservative the same way Teddy Kennedy is a conservative.
O'Canada,our friends to the north,most of our country is  behind our president 100%,There is the base of the republican party that amounts to about 25% of our people.We see what he has done and is doing,and it isn't running off and hiding at the ranch like the last President did.Mr.Obama is trying to do things with a certian amount of class,with a new vision.This is who we elected,this last bunch was what was rejected,and soundly,Obama is the leader of and for all of the people of our nation,and makes him different from the last admin that was looking out for them selfs,and there deep pocketed supporters.
Finally a sane voice coming from up north is shouting out the morons who keep whining about the Obama-Chavez handshake.  Only a weak coward like the bushwhacker or neuter gingrich wouldn't have shaken Chavez's hand and accepted his book.  The nice thing is that Obama will read the book, after getting it translated.

Only cowards are afraid to engage their opponents in talks and that's why the chickenhawks are whining.  Obama is showing great strength and moral courage in engaging our opponents in constructive dialogue, so much more intelligent than the loud braying of Clueless George.

To the dopes of nope who are whining that they don't support Wall Street and the military industrial complex get a reality check you deniers of reality.  Stop trying to blame your sins on us Democrats, you lost the last two elections because you don't support the people, just the rich and greedy overlords who tell you what to believe and whine about.

In Diplomacy We Trust!
In way of context, it should be noted:

1. Hugo Chavez was elected and re-elected in Democratic elections

No credible observer questions the legitimqacy of these elections
Chevez is genuinely popular

2. The 'Decider' tried to overthrow Chavez
He temporarily succeded, but Chavez was re-instated

Trying to overthrow someone can make for sticky conversations

Chavez, like most Latin American governments supports ties with Cuba

Origanally, Cuba was thrown out of the OAS for trying to help overthorw various Latin governments
This is LAUGHABLE when one considers how many Latin American governments the US has overthrown

Now, the party line is that Cuba is not a member of the OAS because it's not Democratic

Yet, Chile under Pinochet, Argentina under the junta and many other US puppets were allowed in the OAS whne they made no pretense of democracy
('He's an SOB, but he's our SOB)

Just had lunch with another coach at my small Christian university. We were talking about how much time we have to spend teaching our student-athletes to grow up these days instead of our usual X's and O's. It's easy to see why, however, when I see the childish behavior of Gingrich and his old boys club in the GOP and then read the mindless, name-calling BS coming from the right wing on their blogs. How are we going to get our kids to grow up when their parents and grandparents still don't understand the basics of common decency, let alone what it takes to actually get along in the world. Grow up boys and girls, you actually have an adult as president now.
Canada's Prime Minister is a conservative who doesn't have a dog in this fight, but he spoke out defending our President.  The US conservatives have to be wondering where can we go?  What can we say to get some traction?  Their support group will continue to become smaller and smaller.  Their leadership consists of Limbaugh, Boehner, Gingrich, Cantor, McDonnell.  What a "hurten" group of losers.  They have every reason to be scared sh-tless.
From previous post:

To J. Merle Stanley:

Being in a constantly reactionary posture, forced to respond to every loose-knit band of hateful kooks in order to be "safe" is not "freedom", it is the worst kind of prison - a prison of fear and paranoia.

I believe that there will always be bad people doing bad things. I don't think that the only way to fight murderers is to murder. I don't think that the only way to fight drug traffickers is to sell drugs.  And I don't think the only way to defeat murderous, torturing bastards is to match them lash for lash.

I am not going to live in fear. If the terrorists blow the building up where I am typing today - I will say from the grave that I don't want some 14 year old who was in the wrong place at the wrong time tortured for 7 years in my memory.

America is better than that.

We can't stop all badness in the world, but we can stop letting EVIL dictate to us, and start LEADING the world in the direction we would like to go instead of FOLLOWING the worst impulses of the most brutal into the pit of hell.
The G"NO"P is completely and totally out of touch with Americans, and they are looking more like home-grown terrorists more and more each day.
KJ, Dallas, TX (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:23 PM)


Then you wonder why the Obama administration is getting tagged with the fasicist label. "Right-wingers are terrorists". I guess KJ buys the DHS memo released last week by Napolitano as gospel. And this is how it starts, just like Obama is doing. First, have your government agency demonize your political opponents to the point that the ignorant masses on the Left believe them to no longer be legitimate, then you get rid of you opponents. Maybe do it like Chavez did in Venezuala, just change the rules so Obama can run for President for the rest of his life, just like Chavez did. It won't take much to get there, and it looks like Obama is progressing nicely, except for that 2nd amendment problem he'll need to clear up at some point.
Well there are some rational people out there in the lasd after all. It is certainly great to hear the support from so many quarters. Thanks PM  Harper.

Engagement is never a bad strategy. Chavez may have gotten some press, but he did not derail the summit as some chatterers had feared.

The President has a lot more to do in Latin America, but he has started the process with both Cuba and Venezwela.

Change is here!
Give credit where it is due...Chavez clearly is a good a judge of character...he shook Obama's hand, but had to do an emergency mini-exorcism at the UN's podium to cast off Bush's sulphuric devil's demon.
pat huntington ny (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:26 PM)

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Leftists just love leaders like Obama and Chavez. All birds of a feather, flocking together. Chavez is a good judge of character? Sure, of someone just like himself.
FR: " Harper said that he is a conservative"

Harper said he's a conservative?!? Rotflmao! Harper is a conservative the same way Teddy Kennedy is a conservative.

FT Pie (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:26 PM)
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You're kidding right?  Do some research.  Stephen Harper is the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.  But I guess unless he says President Obama made a horrible, grave mistake then that means he must be some sort of crazy liberal, right?
FR: " Harper said that he is a conservative"

Harper said he's a conservative?!? Rotflmao! Harper is a conservative the same way Teddy Kennedy is a conservative.
FT Pie (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:26 PM)
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Conservative in Canada means conservative

and

Conservative in the United States means Teabagging.

Its really not that hard to understand you confusion
Then you wonder why the Obama administration is getting tagged with the fasicist label. "Right-wingers are terrorists". I guess KJ buys the DHS memo released last week by Napolitano as gospel. And this is how it starts, just like Obama is doing. First, have your government agency demonize your political opponents to the point that the ignorant masses on the Left believe them to no longer be legitimate, then you get rid of you opponents. Maybe do it like Chavez did in Venezuala, just change the rules so Obama can run for President for the rest of his life, just like Chavez did. It won't take much to get there, and it looks like Obama is progressing nicely, except for that 2nd amendment problem he'll need to clear up at some point.

ST Steiger, NY (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:35 PM)
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So you're saying the KKK, neo-nazis, and those who bomb abortion clinics and gun down abortionists are NOT terrorists then?  Read the report.  It doesn't say right-wingers are terrorists.  It says violent groups with only one issue are on the rise.  To claim that's a lie is just stupid.  The white-supremacist website Stormfront got 2000 new members on January 20.  Coincidence?  Hardly.  

But by all means, don't let reason and logic interrupt your conspiracy theory.
SCREW POLITICS GET A LIFE EVERY ONE......no one likes canada
Obama doing some "teabagging" today huh LMAO
lets cut 1/35000th out of the budget LMAO this guy is  a joke
This is another ridiculous storyline, for if PRESIDENT OBAMA had rebuffed Chavez, he would have been chastised by the conservatives for doing that, they have a complaint for every direction…This  ongoing critique from the right on every aspect of PRESIDENT OBAMAS administration lacks one essential thing instance…..a creditable alternative.
For several years we had a president who didn’t involve himself, or was restrained by his aides, from participating in any diplomatic endeavors,  mainly because he was intellectually incapable of doing so….So, aside from continually eat with his mouth open, the specter of grabbing Chancellor Merkel of Germany by the shoulders, or giving his approval of a Papal address, by saying “Awesome speech Pope” we weren’t blessed with that many Presidential side shows, until Bush started his revisionist, legacy tour before he left office.
Now, as a public we have the antithesis of a the Presidential caricature of the past two terms with a  intelligent, charismatic, articulate leader who can do more and has done more in his first 100 days than any other contemporary President….and what has the right offered they can’t even define a leader of their movement….because it’s no longer a party
You're kidding right?  Do some research.  Stephen Harper is the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.  But I guess unless he says President Obama made a horrible, grave mistake then that means he must be some sort of crazy liberal, right?
Brian Crooks, Naperville, IL (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:38 PM)

A conservative in Canada is no different politically then a liberal in the US.
Perspective, it is that aspect of art which can convert a drawing from a cartoon into a realistic landscape....
So you're saying the KKK, neo-nazis, and those who bomb abortion clinics and gun down abortionists are NOT terrorists then?

Brian Crooks, Naperville, IL

So you are saying our returning vets, people that favor the 2nd amendment, and people that are against abortion are all potential terrorists? Let me guess, the wind makes a little noise when it goes through your ears.
Chavez looks at Obama and see's a "Mini-Me" of himself.
No, ST Steiger, The report didn't sway my thoughts because I always knew the G"NO"Pers were a dangerous lot even BEFORE the DHS report. Boehner, Hannity, Limpballs, and Bachman are your leaders, and  facism, hate, GUNS, facism, hate, GUNS is forever your battle cry.  Seems that the terrorism "brand" is appropriate.
We can't stop all badness in the world, but we can stop letting EVIL dictate to us, and start LEADING the world in the direction we would like to go instead of FOLLOWING the worst impulses of the most brutal into the pit of hell.
Nashville_fan (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:34 PM)
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Amen  :*)
Chavez looks at Obama and see's a "Mini-Me" of himself.

Alan Parsons (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:51 PM)

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Best Post Of The Day!
To ST Steiger, NY. . .

Did you actually read the report about the increased threat of right wing extremists? It was not demonizing at all. It was fact based and non-threatening. And while the right wing nut jobs are saying it blasted veterans it did no such thing. It simply said that the extremists groups are looking to recruit veterans.

But as long as we are talking about threats and trying to polarize a group against the opposition lets talk a little about the rhetoric from the right the past dozen or more years in which if you didn't agree with the right, you were un-American and not patriotic.

Please spare us with the drama and fear unless it is going to be fact based and accurate!
SCREW POLITICS GET A LIFE EVERY ONE......no one likes canada Pesimist Plover, Seattle, Wash. (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:42 PM)
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I absolutely love Vancouver, one of the best cities on the planet.  People are really nice too.  Everything is running fiber optic...hybrid and electric busses everywhere...light rail for commuting.  If it didn't rain so much it would be perfect.
The simpletons on the right can't seem to grasp the nuance of diplomacy. If you stomp around like Bush and claim you can do whatever you want because you're an American, you end up causing big global messes, both eonomically and militarily. You can use the last 8  years as an example.

Lashing out at Chavez and Ortega rhetorically would have accomplished nothing. Presenting a cool and calm demeanor to the world in the face of criticism is the best way to diminish your opponents and influence your friends. Obama is the adult here.  Newt and Rush need to go back to the playground with the rest of the 4 year olds.
I'M SO GLAD TO KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME. WE NOW HAVE AN INTELLIGENT PRESIDENT WHO KNOWS HOW TO INTERACT WITH FRIENDS AND ADVERSARIES. A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.The republicans are on a path of no return. Even their "tea parties" were more of an OBAMA bashing. They convinced the attendees that this year's taxes are Obama's Not Bush's  where were the the past 8 years when their party was running up the highest deficit in history, and ruining the economy.  They are listening to FOX, Hannity & Limbaugh and JOE THE PLUMBER!!!!!! They need to give it a rest and stop bashing the President of the USA. "Country First"--they really need to loose that slogan.  
I guess we need another Waco with someone like Janet Reno burning down the compound to wake up the country to the demonization Obama is making against anyone that disagrees with him. Maybe then some of these happy Leftists we have in this country will realize all is not well in Obamaland. It will come soon enough, because Obama is that stupid and full of himself.
A conservative in Canada is no different politically then a liberal in the US.
Go Back To School (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:47 PM)

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This post again proves that regarless of what the FACTS are the right wingers will choose to ignore them.

You guys (right wingers) really need to take a step back, and figure aout what you stand FOR, instead of what you stand AGAINST!
So you are saying our returning vets, people that favor the 2nd amendment, and people that are against abortion are all potential terrorists? Let me guess, the wind makes a little noise when it goes through your ears.
H. Rison, Atlanta
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No one has said that except the right wing nut jobs that are trying to create some drama so they have something to complain about. Spend about 5 minutes to actually read the report and you will realize that rush and his morons are brainwashing you!
The handshake, the smiles and the book exchange were meaningless gestures for the U.S. and a political and PR coup for Chavez.

It takes a conservative Canadian PM to explain that to us and that whatever Obama did to look out for our interests is subordinate to the Chavez dog and pony show.

I'm guessing that Chavez and Ahmedinejad's recent meeting was to help coordinate the next outrageous comments from either or both.

Ahmedinejad has already responded.  It will be interesting to see what Chavez will follow up all the goodwill with.














As a Democrat,I believe in my party's ideas. But at the same time I consider myself an intelligent person that can listen to oposition and come to my own conclusions. Yet, try as I may, I have yet to read or listen to any Republican's view on President Obama performance that are not driven by an underlying message of hate. It is embarassing and at the same time pitiful to read  the rants and raves of some of the frothing at the mouth bloggers. Please, you don't have to agree with President Obama's agenda, but at least use intelligent arguments to express your dissent.
A conservative in Canada is no different politically then a liberal in the US. Go Back To School (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 12:47 PM)
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Actually there isn't a "Socialist Filter" on philosophy.  If you are conservative, then you have conservative values...no matter what your country make up is.

That's the problem in this country, somehow, somewhere...the GOP tricked everyone into thinking that conservative = capitalist.

Some would argue that the third reich (which were technically fascist) was a conservative group...they used patriotism for the preservation of traditional values in Germany.  They argued for a christian state, and were very intolerant toward opposing views.

So conservatives could be capitalist, socialist, fascist...

It's in any normal philosophy book.
Chris IL - To ST Steiger, NY. . .

Did you actually read the report about the increased threat of right wing extremists? It was not demonizing at all. It was fact based and non-threatening. And while the right wing nut jobs are saying it blasted veterans it did no such thing. It simply said that the extremists groups are looking to recruit veterans.



Nice spin, but that doesn't work with people that have a brain. The report fully implied that our veterans were prime candidates to become right-wing terrorists. And Napolitano signed off on the report saying it was alright with her. It was a complete and contemptible report against our people in the military. Shame on her, and shame on Obama.
So you are saying our returning vets, people that favor the 2nd amendment, and people that are against abortion are all potential terrorists? Let me guess, the wind makes a little noise when it goes through your ears.
H. Rison, Atlanta
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No one has said that except the right wing nut jobs that are trying to create some drama so they have something to complain about. Spend about 5 minutes to actually read the report and you will realize that rush and his morons are brainwashing you!
Chris - IL (Sent Monday, April 20, 2009 1:01 PM)


If it was "nothing", then why did Napolitano apologize?
It is just so sad that when America produces someone of this President's abilities to lead us to a more peaceful way to live and prosper, that there are so many mean hateful souls who can't see the good for themselves and future generations that may be promoted at this time. I wish a better world for everyone because I am sick to death of the infighting in this country, and the rest of the world.  ENOUGH!  
Andrea Mitchell

Thanks, for giving us the news without any slant. Can't wait to see your beautiful face as the new host of Meet the Press. that would be fair and unbalanced.
As a very proud Canadian, I have to marvel at the total ignorance of some of these posts by people who know nothing of my country and probably have never visited it.

What we have is the best banking system in the world, universal health care, gov't funding for secondary education, have five political parties and the natural resources you need. Our democracy is based on the principles of fairness, a commitment to look after our own and a parlimentary system that makes sense in the 21st century.

You however stick to an obsolete system that ends in deadlock, spew hate to your fellow Americans, don't care that more people than our total population have no health care, that your financial ststem is based on greed and corruption.






Norman Matton Thomas
11/20/1884- 12/19/68

Was a leading American Socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.  In a quote from his 1944 speech he stated.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism.  But, under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist Program until one day America will be a Socialist country without knowing how it happened.”  He went on to say…” I no longer need to run as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party.  The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
A handshake does not a friendship make. Good manners are essential. Obama is a very polished person. He is nobody's fool, he has already proven that.


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