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Obama calls to eliminate tax loophole

Posted: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:25 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Athena Jones

President Obama, flanked by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, announced changes to the tax code that he said would prevent businesses from dodging their responsibilities "while ordinary Americans pick up slack."

Combined with additional tax reforms to be laid out later this month, the proposals are expected to increase tax revenues by some $210 billion over the next 10 years. Congress, however, must first approve these moves -- which some argue would amount to a tax increase for U.S. corporations and are likely to face tough opposition from corporate lobbyists.

Video: Obama unveils his tax plan.

In brief remarks Monday morning, Obama said that while most American citizens and businesses meet their responsibilities as taxpayers, others do not. "Many are aided and abetted by a broken tax system written by well-connected lobbyists on behalf of well-heeled interests and individuals," he said. "It's a tax code full of corporate loopholes that makes it perfectly legal for companies to avoid paying their fair share."

During the campaign, candidate Obama often spoke of the need to get rid of tax loopholes that reward companies that "ship jobs overseas" and to create a fairer, simpler tax system. He frequently joked about one building in the Cayman Islands that housed more than 18,000 U.S. companies, saying it was either a really big building, or a tax scam.

Today, Obama argued that his budget would make reforms that have been needed for years and said the problems with the tax code had been cited by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee; Montana Democrat Sen. Max Baucus; Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI); and Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX).

According a fact sheet provided by the White House, 83 of the 100 largest U.S. corporations have subsidiaries in tax havens, and in 2004 U.S. multinationals paid just $16 billion in U.S. taxes on about $700 billion in foreign earnings -- an effective tax rate of 2.3%.

"The steps I'm announcing today will help us deal with some of the most egregious examples of what's wrong with our tax code," he said. "It's a down payment on the larger tax reform we need to make our tax system simpler and fairer and more efficient for individuals and corporations." Under the proposed rules, companies would not be able get tax deductions for offshore investments until they pay taxes on their offshore profits and the rules would end loopholes that allow U.S. companies to artificially inflate or accelerate U.S. tax credits they receive for foreign taxes paid overseas profits. Both of these changes would take effect in 2011.

This would raise $86.5 billion from 2011-2019 by requiring certain foreign subsidiaries to be considered as separate corporations for U.S. tax purposes so that companies could no longer avoid paying taxes on their foreign profits by shifting income to tax havens. They would also make it more difficult for wealthy individuals to hide money overseas to avoid taxes, make it easier to prosecute tax evaders and add 800 new IRS employees to help crack down on offshore tax avoidance.

Some of the money saved by reducing tax loopholes -- $103.1 billion -- would go toward making permanent a tax credit for research and investment within the United States. The rest would be used to reduce the deficit and help fund tax relief for families, Obama said, outlining steps his administration has already taken to reduce taxes for the middle class and to provide tax credits for higher education and to first-time homebuyers.

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Amen and Amen again!   This is exactly why I voted for President Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not so naive to think that our Big Government Administration would not want to generate additional tax revenue, but this is awfully authoritarian considering the near total lack of accountablility the Federal Government enjoys right now.  I would like to see some tightening of the belt on the Federal side as well.  How about ending some wars, and closing some of our less than necessary military installation around the Globe.  We look like a modern day Rome.  Crumbling under our own weight.
I think this should happen.  The large corporations don't care about the people of the US.  Just profits.  That's all they care about.  
From NBC's Athena Jones
President Obama, flanked by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, announced changes to the tax code that he said would prevent businesses from dodging their responsibilities "while ordinary Americans pick up slack."

This would be nice. It would eliminate corporations from opening skelton offices overseas and using them to avoid paying taxes in America. The GOP definately won't like this idea. The sparks will fly now.

This country needs it's tax dollars. We pay ours and they should pay theirs.
Loopholes. This is one of the items that most angers me because it is just the nonsense that comes from the entire republican playbook of economics. There is a balance between government and business. In the USA the republicans have led and the Democrats followed in granting LOTS of our tax dollars to those we have been told over and over know how to invest and then we will get the trickledown from their wise investments. They have done nothing but invest overseas, live privately off wealth that they have never generated or earned and then pay low wages to those who actually produce products. Then they grow so large that they tell governments what to do instead of governments protecting their own interests. The rabid right would call this socialism. I call it protecting my taxes, my job, my country. I do not trust pure capitalism any more than I trust pure socialism. I'd like to see some teeth in anti-trust laws, in corporate tax loopholes and I am sick of giving the wealthy tax breaks so so that they can invest abroad, and suck the rest of our economy dry. I want government that works for the all the people.
Of course, Obama will "waive" the changes for his well-heeled interests and individuals and well-connected lobbyists.
More populous rantings from the Whiner in Chief. So what do you thing the Law of Unintended Consequences will do with this little maneuver by Obama? How about profits by US corporations will continue to spiral down, and more jobs will be shipped overseas.

If it sounds good, Obama will do it. No matter how it hurts the country.
A GREAT MOVE !!

And about time !!

How will Evan Bayn (D-IN), Blanch Lincoln (D-AR), Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Ben Nelson (D_NB) vote on these proposals ??


WHY didn't Obama lobby the Senate for the Bankruptcy Reform Bill?
Why didn't Obama support Cram Downs ??

WHY did he let it DIE ??
Will he try to revive this package ??
First Read: In brief remarks Monday morning, Obama said that while most American citizens and businesses meet their responsibilities as taxpayers,

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Well, except for Geithner, Sebelius, Napolitano, and Rangle, and John Edwards.
Rangle has got a lot of guts standing there with the "pay your taxes" crowd. A lot of guts.
This move by the President is going to face some real resistence from the corporate lobbyists. It does seem a worthwhile act which will make things fairer all arround. It is disturbing the large corps. with staffs of inhouse lawyers can comb the current code and take all the loopholes. This is what makes average tax payer like small biz folks feel used and abused.

So GOPers, do you like the fact that the President is goint to help close the deficits this way or are will you cry that this is a "tax increase"?  It seems to me that an improved tax code where everyone pays their fair share is an improvement, but then I'm just old fashioned. lol
F the lobbyists...I want a list of anyone who votes against this so we can systematically vote out those who govern by the will of the corporate campaign contribution rather than the will of the people.

I don't care what party they belong to...it's time that all american businesses played by the same rules.
So the government wants to close a "loop-hole" (also known as an existing and legal part of the tax code). This is also known as "Raising Taxes" on corporations. The government wants $210 billion more dollars, $210 billion more dollars taken out of the economy to be wasted by the federal government. Money that could be used to build additional factories and hire more people, but instead is being sent to the IRS so that congress and the president can spend it on who knows what.
<<President Obama, flanked by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner ...

In brief remarks Monday morning, Obama said that while most American citizens and businesses meet their responsibilities as taxpayers, others do not. >>

Does anyone else see the irony here?  Was he using Geithner as an example of the "others do not" crowd?  I just am not sure I'd have had Geithner next to me while making that statement.
The legislation being proposed by Congress is named the "It's Our Money and We Want It Now" Act of 2009.
The only difference between the Somalian pirates and Congress is that Congressmen wear three piece suits.
Did you ever think that one reason why business' are "shipping jobs overseas" are because the tax rates in the US are too high? Naw. Of course not. You're a Democrat (capital 'D' (nod to Jack Kemp)), it's what you do.

On average, the corporate tax in the US has remained constant near 31% since the 1990's, while in Europe over that same period corporate taxes have been falling and now average 24%.

And again, "big business" loves this. They can afford it and will pass the costs on to us, while their pesky small competition cannot afford it. Even though the perception is that Barack is "giving it" to "big business". In reality, "big business" cheers, because this makes it tougher for their smaller, more nimble competition to compete.
What does everyone think? $200 billion dollars taken out of the US economy by the government, that's about two million private sector jobs lost.
If the Obama administration has shown us one thing, it's that with every move Obama makes, it requires that the federal government get larger.
And that little $400 tax credit (that so many here cheer the extra $20 a check) is no longer in the budget. That got removed last week.

As long as the target keeps moving, the more productive private money will stay out of this economy. I'm just a poor schlep engineer, and even I don't know what these guys are doing from week to week.
Let me guess,big biz isn't happy.Seems paying there fair share isn't in there biz model.They only care to reap the profits,paying taxes on them,not if they can help it.21 billion a year in taxes could help lower everyones taxes.Let the ten worst offenders names be reviled,full page taken out,50 biggest papers, maybe if we all knew who they where we could decide if we want to spend our cash there,or not.  
Ed, FW, Texas -So GOPers, do you like the fact that the President is goint to help close the deficits this way or are will you cry that this is a "tax increase"?


Help close the deficits? How is Obama closing the deficit if he's the one causing the huge deficit in the first place? What Obama is doing is looking for some pigeon to pay for all his spending. And it looks like that pigeon is the corporations. I'm sure the corporations will be sending out as many pink slips to their employees as necessary to pay for the new tax being levied upon them.
The corporate welfare queens who use these tax dodges liked to point to Ireland as proof that low corporate taxes work. But Ireland's economy is in the toilet, and the current global recession has proven Ireland's  economy is a fraud, just like  everywhere else where corporate lawlessness was tolerated.
I think this should happen.  The large corporations don't care about the people of the US.  Just profits.  That's all they care about.  
BWilliams (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 1:42 PM)

Well at least someone is concerned about profits. Obama acts like profits are somehow a bad thing and any extra money (i.e., profits) a company makes are automatically the governments money. Most socialists think that way.
I love those people coming on here with their pitch forks yelling, "Yes! Get Them!" when it comes to "big business". Yet do you realize it is policies like this, more regulations and higher taxes, that enable "big business" and help them get even bigger? "Big business" can afford it, their smaller competions cannot.

Policies that encourage competition within the economy will help make "big business" smaller.

We got "pied pipers" on the Left, and "pied pipers" on the Right.
I love how the GOP says that DEMS dont pay their taxes but then defends tax havens.
makes no sense to me
First Read: In brief remarks Monday morning, Obama said that while most American citizens and businesses meet their responsibilities as taxpayers,

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Well, except for Geithner, Sebelius, Napolitano, and Rangle, and John Edwards. Pay Your Taxes So Democrats Don't Have To (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 1:49 PM)
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Don't mean to pick on you personally because many have said this same idiotic comment...

Here's the skinny...

Obama held the reporting process and the vetting process to a higher standard than any living president.  I would wager a months pay that about 75% of washington (both parties) would have to pay back taxes if "vetted" this harshly...heck, some wouldn't even go through the process because of fear.

Here's the good thing.  They caught up and paid them, think of all those in washington that haven't done so...It took someone saying "hey, I want to know that these people I'm putting on my cabinet are right and square."

This is yet another example of President Obama doing what he promised and I'm thrilled.

It is interesting that the multinationals pay an average effective tax rate of just 2.3%. This in the country that John McCain insisted has the highest corporate income tax in the world.

And I love the arguments that this is just going to cause these companies to cut more jobs. I don't buy that. Because they've been creating all those jobs outside the US anyway.

And to all those that just had to jump on the Geithner is a tax cheat bandwagon - perhaps if we cleaned up the tax code and made it simpler and more straight forward (no loop holes, far less deductions), it would be hard to make mistakes, or to get away with cheating.

Thank you President Obama!
The Osama Obama Hymn: "Praise the Black Lord and Raise Your Taxes"
Hell yea it's great! Bush let his wall street theives, corporate cronies, oil companies and cowardly Vice President rape this nation. Those that seems to want to P333 and moan about this truly have no space to complain about a single figging thing. Great Mr. President, it's about time!
That was gw bush's gift to his wealthy friends for his 8 yrs. in the white house. That's all the Repubs care about is $$$$; and they use the abortion issue as a wedge; they really don't care about babies; it is just their way of getting all the religious votes.
The only difference between the Somalian pirates and Congress is that Congressmen wear three piece suits. Hugo Thomas, Ft. Wayne, IN (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 1:56 PM)

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And that Europe and Asia hasn't taken away their livelyhood....


yet.
i understand the goal (as stated) but it does seem funny to hear geithner make it.  plus, though necesssary i supposed to close the loopholes mentioned does anyone else shudder at the thought of 800 more employees at the IRS? How about just SiMpLifying the tax code.....
"$210 billion more dollars, $210 billion more dollars taken out of the economy to be wasted by the federal government. Money that could be used to build additional factories and hire more people"

What part of offshore do you not understand?  These companies are NOT BUILDING IN THE US, NOT HIRING US WORKERS.  Any new factories would be in another country, any new hires would be foreigners.  

The bottom line is that these companies aren't building factories with the money, they are just giving more money to the execs who dodge US taxes and buy more homes in the Carribean, Dubai, South France and luxury yachts to ferry their do-nothing kids around.
People, wake up.  Think these businesses aren't going to turn around and just jack up their prices for us, the consumers?   This all sounds great, but in the end, we're the ones who'll be hurt by it.
I don't care what party they belong to...it's time that all american businesses played by the same rules.
GP NW Indiana (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 1:53 PM)

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CHILL OUT DUDE...You cannot vote anywhere but in Indiana....Your talking like YOU can vote out any representative. Some states like their rep whether you do or not and whether he votes the way YOU like or not. If you owned a company that generated BIG money, you would have lawyers and find a way to hold on to some of it too...stop lying to yourself...you say things because YOU dont have it. It is not the corporations fault that our government tax them at a higher rate than overseas....I guarantee their are some in the Obama administration with accounts overseas. HYPOCRITES....politicians....stop putting your faith in them.
Dookie "Does anyone else see the irony here?  Was he using Geithner as an example of the "others do not" crowd?  I just am not sure I'd have had Geithner next to me while making that statement."
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Do you have proof that Geithner intentionally avoided paying taxes? What he owed in back taxes was only a tiny fraction of the taxes he paid. Making a few mistakes is not the same as intentionally dodging payment of taxes, which is what the Republicans say is OK -- for big corporations, not for individual citizens, of course.
[Obama] frequently joked about one building in the Cayman Islands that housed more than 18,000 U.S. companies, saying it was either a really big building, or a tax scam.

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Take a good look done Pennsylvania Avenue Barack. To the east of where you live there is a building that is occupied by 20,000 or so lobbyiests - it's also know as the US Capital.
This is complete economic stupidity.  This explicit tax code allowed US Companies to grow internationally, and thus grow nationally.  And over the years has defined their balance sheets.  These are big changes to their profits which in result will directly hurt their capital in the market.  That in turn will make their costs higher to the consumer and thousands of lost jobs.
I agree there are some issues in parts of the tax code (and who wrote the code? yet it's the company's fault?), but now is not the time to fix it.  Companies aren't going to be making much profit this year anyways.  I hope for companies that use this tax laws for international competitiveness move the rest of their offices out of the US.
The tax will be "Used to reduce the deficit and help fund tax relief for families" - again, apparently he knows how to better use the money than the company.  Of course, none of that money will actually create jobs.
I wonder if this will mean that those who were smart enough to avoid paying taxes by using loopholes will now decide to take whatever assets they are now paying taxes on and move the rest overseas -- thus having to pay zero taxes now or later and further cut US payrolls to even lower levels than current.  Make no mistake folks, people who know how to use the system to avoid paying higher taxes got where they are by knowning how to work the system -- and no matter how many loopholes Obama (or anyone) trys to close, these same people will either find new ones or will make themselves completely immune to the tax code.  By all means proceed -- but I would suggest being careful what you hope for with this move -- it may do more harm than good.
limpbag's crowd will scream tax increase but fail to acknowledge this would make it more fair and less likely of corporations getting off of paying taxes! Zeig Heil limpbag
i find it absolutely amazing that some of you would have a negative thing to say about these large corporations and rich folks being pursued for not paying their legally responsible share of taxes.

their fair share could pay for vaccines, infrastructure(sewers,roads,bridges,health clinics amd more). do some of you hate this man or the democrats so much that you don't give a damn what is fair to you and what could make life better for you? is hate and ignorance so blind that you just go against whatever the president does even if it is right and good for you and your family?

help me understand why you think the rich should get away and we don't.
Rangel and Geithner are indignant about tax cheats.  That's just precious.
Hard to believe that the righties are actually complaining about this too.  The president wants to close the very corporate loopholes that allow corporations to escape taxes on their profits, taxes that get passed on to you and me.  Tell me something, would you rather continue to pay these taxes yourself (that'd be $100m/yr according to U.S. PRIG), or make these corporations pay their fair share?  Are you that sympathetic to corporations using you to prop them up, or is this just another one of your "I hope Obama fails" moments.

http://jawillie.blog.com
So the government wants to close a "loop-hole" (also known as an existing and legal part of the tax code). This is also known as "Raising Taxes" on corporations. The government wants $210 billion more dollars, $210 billion more dollars taken out of the economy to be wasted by the federal government. Money that could be used to build additional factories and hire more people, but instead is being sent to the IRS so that congress and the president can spend it on who knows what.
Gail SUtton, Ca (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 1:53 PM)

Take your meds and clam down gail...these corps weren't going to spend that money on factories or american employees anyway...its money hidden overseas you know
Anyone who can defend corporate tax cheats or who can characterize corporations paying their full share as a "tax increase" has been completely brainwashed by the right wing (or rather, their corporate masters) and is a slave to a corrupt ideology.  It's like political S&M, and you are the masochists.  Get up and clean your knees, you simpletons!
this is really going to piss off all those folks that have the ability to hide their money, the corporations that use connections to hide assets, so forth and so on....so this means that the 95% who can't hide anything because we are not wealthy enough pay an ufair burden ....going to be interesting to see if this works - but he's got my vote on this - maybe once again we'll have some proper checks and balances restored for the working folks rather than the "fortunate sons" that John Fogerty sang about in the 1960s ...
Way before there was the demise of Wall St. regulations, I worked for a Federal Government Agency and watched the Big Corp Tax Returns come in and they paid ZERO...!! When Warren Buffet talked about his Secretary paying more to the IRS than he does, he was not kidding.  I have seen this.  I agree with the Commenter who said, this is why I voted for Obama...but me, it is just one of the many reasons I voted for Obama.
The Obama administration continues to be hostile to the business environment of the United States.
Chris - IL - This is yet another example of President Obama doing what he promised and I'm thrilled.

I'm sure the thrill will wear off when layoff notices are sent out to the employees of the companies who had their taxes raised by Obama.


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