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Beware: The experts' list isn't Obama's

Posted: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:48 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Harry Enten
Within hours of the news that Justice David Souter was retiring, numerous media outlets listed the favorites to replace Souter. Among them: Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Diane Wood, Leah Ward Sears, Kim McLane Wardlaw, Jennifer Granholm.

But if some recent history is a guide, there's a chance that President Obama's ultimate pick might not be any of these favorites.  

A cursory search of some major newspaper databases -- Los Angeles Times, New York Daily News, New York Times, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and Washington Times -- reveals that the last time a Democratic president (Bill Clinton) was filling his first Supreme Court vacancy, his ultimate choice (Ruth Bader Ginsburg) was not initially near the top of most experts' top lists.

A Washington Post article written on March 20, 1993, one day after Justice Byron White's retirement was announced, noted that Ginsburg's age (60 at the time) could "exclude" her from being selected. A USA Today article published on March 22nd listed Ginsburg as the last possible nominee in the "also mentioned" category. According to the database, none of the other newspapers in the month of March mentioned Ginsburg's name as a choice.

It was not until the month of May when the Washington Post, New York Times, and Los Angeles Times mentioned Ginsburg as a top choice. Yet even as late as May 6th, a USA Today article said that Ginsburg was "under less serious consideration" than other major nominees.

Clinton appointed Ginsburg a little more than a month later, on June 14th.

On the other hand, both John Roberts and Samuel Alito were high on the experts' lists when George W. Bush was considering his Supreme Court vacancies.

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You just know that Obama's pick will be someone from The View. EIther that, or Bill Maher.
My hope is Pres Obama will pick someone that no one expected.  Just for the heck of it!!!  There are some people on the list who seem very fit for the job, but we have to wait and see.
My bet is that the new Justice won't even be from the United States.
So, in other words, nobody really has a clue who it will be. I think President Obama has proven himself to be harder to predict, so I wouldn't be surprised if we were surprised.

On the other hand, W was extremely predictable and not very creative, either!
The nominee will be a cross dressing half hispanic half black eskimo with one hand and talks with a lisp. That should cover enough demographics to get the, ehh, person, through the Senate.
From NBC's Harry Enten
Within hours of the news that Justice David Souter was retiring, numerous media outlets listed the favorites to replace Souter. Among them: Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Diane Wood, Leah Ward Sears, Kim McLane Wardlaw, Jennifer Granholm.

Well, well, some people are just aching for news so much that they will result to manufacturing their own. I hadn't given too much thought to the President's choice, since he hadn't announced it yet.

Thanks for the heads up any way. Say, I guess the republicans are gearing up to filibuster his "no choice" already. lol
Cindy in NV: reposting here what I wrote in the earlier blog since I didn't see that get posted.  Here's some additional feedback from SF.  I don't normally think a politician's personal pecadillos have any place in a judgment of who they are.  What Gavin did 3 years ago is an exception.  Gavin cheated on his then-wife (he has subsequently been divorced and remarried).  That's not the issue.   He cheated on his wife with the wife of one of his closest friends and a man who had worked endlessly to help Gavin get elected.  To most guys, that is utterly, and forever, inexcusable.   It's just not something you do.  You don't screw your best friends wife.  And you don't screw over a guy who has sacrificed for YOUR career.   There are plenty of women he could have cheated wife in SF.  Most guys in SF (including me) would never vote for Gavin again because his move said so much about who he is.  To use the vernacular, he's a cheeseball and who appears to be without scruples.  Strangely enough, many moderate women in SF still love him because he's "so charming and handsome."  
Insert GOP Anti-"Activist Judge" Rant Here
Of course the early Las Vegas favorite for the new Justice is:

Whichever one has tax problems.....
Seeing Obama is focused on having a woman be the Supreme Court nominee, what about Keith Olbermann?
That's standard rightie response for postings they don't like, but know are true, Red.  Take it as a compliment.
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Thanks for the ‘heads up’ there Jawillie – I can’t bring myself to go to those whack job sites (I know we should always be aware of what the rabid rights daily squawking points are... but I can get enough of that here)!  

Loved the way someone took the race swing at you again today - they just don't GET IT do they?

And a Ps: to B,LA - I find it ironic that you called me uneducated – when it’s you that can’t punctuate or spell properly.  
Salty Sam : '...The nominee will be a cross dressing half hispanic half black eskimo with one hand and talks with a lisp. That should cover enough demographics to get the, ehh, person, through the Senate....'

NAH !

Let'sget another Aryan, Sam
So far 8 of 9 Justices are white

Nominate a STRONG LIBERAL !!
Someone who ISN'T A CORPORATE LAWYER !
Or a CORPORATE FLUNKY



Roberts & Alito were high on the list because they were the farest of the far Rightwing Nut Jobs. 'and that is what gw bush & his fellow religious fanatics wanted.
>>>Loved the way someone took the race swing at you again today - they just don't GET IT do they?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 4:05 PM)
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Nope, they don't.  Generally when the right accuses someone of being "racist", they're usually projecting their own racism.  Unless, perhaps, they consider themselves a "race", which is why they accuse anyone who criticizes them or their ideology "racist".  Personally, I've observed that most, if not all, of the blatantly racist comments here have come from the right-wingers.  


BTW, we should be careful of this "back and forth" commenting.  Soon one of them will start accusing us of being the same person.  Another predictable rightie trait.  LOL

http://jawillie.blog.com
Steven Burns, Florida (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 2:59 PM)

Now,now,no cheap shots. <Followed by many cheap shots>

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 3:50 PM)

Yawn . . . . .
If people could remember back when David Souter was nominated they would know that he was not a liberal. He became more liberal as time went by. So, judgeing from his other picks I don't think it will be good. I hope the person will at least be quailfied.
As usual, Obama leaks some info....waits to see what public reaction will be....and then flip-flops accordingly.
I think that anyone Obama picks will be a total surprise.  The clues are that he/she might even be a Political type.  That in itself, should be quite interesting.
How funny.  Of course, I thought it was funny the "experts" were floating all those names to begin with.  Another thing that got me was the GOP automatically claiming liberal judge, activist judge when there's NO NAME yet.  At least wait for a name before you offer an opinion.  I, too, wouldn't be surprised if Pres Obama surprised us with his pick.  Reading the article, I'm inclined to agree that the republicans were and still are predictable regardless of the issue.
He could choose "Nasal-Nose" Laura Ingrahm and we could have whiiiinnnner with our cheese.
To paraphrase Biden in regards to Giuliani:  the next 3 months are going to be:   Noun...Verb..."Activist Judge."  
BTW, we should be careful of this "back and forth" commenting.  Soon one of them will start accusing us of being the same person.  Another predictable rightie trait.  LOL

http://jawillie.blog.com
jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 4:18 PM)

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Your B-A brings up race all of the time because people dont agree with you. You like this race BS because it fuels your antagonistic reasons for being here. You are a s**t starter.
He can nominate anyone he wants.
Thanks Independant in SF - I'm going be honest right now and tell everyone for some reason I thought Newsom was Gay.  I don't know where or when I heard that, I do know it was on a TV show.  Regardless of sexual preference, the guys really sounds like a jerk.  Let's all hope the great State of Cali will have some good people jumping into the run for Gov.  Any suggestions, MSierra likes Brown.  Anyone else?  
My bet is that the new Justice won't even be from the United States.

Sage R., Alabama (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 3:56 PM)
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Do you mean someone with a forged birth certificate who was sworn into the senate on a Koran? Someone that pals around with terrorists and is the most liberal senator in the history of the world?

Will they also be a socialist that uses a teleprompter and fills their cabinet with tax cheats?

The republicans really need some new material to work with!
Lawyer Up:
If he does select Bill Maher one thing for sure is that "pot" will get legalized, then maybe those poor people in the mountains of Kentucky can let their crops come to market. That will be good tax revenue and the republicans will have to tell their drug cartels that they can't participate in that trade in the US anymore. lol
The experts' list isn't Obama's is because it's very obvious that Obama is NO expert.
Lets compare the person Obama nominates with the people that Bush nominated

Who's more intelligent ?
Who's more competent ?
Who's the furthest to the extreme ?

Obama's nominee will win hands down

Nobody ever accused Alito of being the sharpest tack on the bench
"Within hours of the news that Justice David Souter was retiring, numerous media outlets listed the favorites to replace Souter."
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Yep.  SOP for those who have to scramble to create something of substance to say on the teevee shows.

Here's a fun little bit of reminiscing- these same "experts" were certain that the 2008 Presidential race was going to be between Hillary and Rudy!  Oops!  Forgive us if we don't pay heed to the oh-so-serious Beltway crowd.  They don't have the best track record for handicapping.

What will be more fun is to watch the GOP get crazed over even the suggestion of a candidate.  They do remember that Souter was a GHWB appointment, don't they?  The way they are going on, you'd think Karl Marx appointed Souter, himself.  The prolonged hissy fit they will put on for the nomination process will not win them any new supporters- yet they won't be able to help themselves.  Pass the popcorn.  
MSierra:

They are all intelligent.  They are all competent. Your third question is the differentiator and can be interpreted in light of two different extremes, depending on one's point of view.

The argument isn't all that interested in the first two, anyway.  
The experts' list isn't Obama's is because it's very obvious that Obama is NO expert.
Keep the Change (Sent Monday, May 04, 2009 4:39 PM)
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As a lawyer who has written legal reviews, he is infinitely qualified to name a Supreme Court Justice.  

Tell us all, Mr/Ms negativity, what are *your* qualifications to judge his selection?
As for lists, those things always exist for all presidets. Chances are that no one in the President's chair can know each and every judge that could possibly be a justice. A list of high performers left, right, and center are listed, screened and presented by those who don't work for any particular president or party but are hired to be experts. The President and his staff will review the list, some will have aquaintences in mind too. They'll hash it over and finally a nomination will be made. There will also be others as runners up just in case.
Are there any liberals here who would deny that you want certain judicial choices so that you can have it "your way"?

I know that's the way I would want it.
It'll be Harriet Miers!  Oh wait, that was already tried.  Anybody President Obama picks will be better than what Bush did to us.

Power to the people, not the corporations!!!


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