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GOP hits Dems on energy -- again

Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:07 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
House Republicans hit Democrats again on energy legislation currently in the House that they say would amount to a “national energy tax.”

It’s an argument they’ve made before -- notably two weeks ago when the chamber returned from Easter holiday break. Today, at a news conference following the GOP Conference meeting, Republican leadership promoted its “energy summit” to come up with alternative solutions to, specifically, the Waxman-Markey legislation that has stirred debate even within the Democratic Party.

The GOP has said it’s for an “all-of-the-above” approach to energy. It has rolled out members from Oklahoma -- pushing oil, members from West Virginia pushing coal and others promoting off-shore drilling. House Minority Leader John Boehner says the party is for alternative sources as well, but the Democrats’ plans picks the “winners and losers” and would have devastating effects on industry in certain states.

In one Bizarro World moment, Boehner found himself defending President Obama from Democratic Appropriations Chairman David Obey, who yesterday demanded the White House issue a report a year from now assessing the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan before approving more funds.

Boehner said he supports Obama’s plan for Afghanistan, and that he deserves the country’s support and so do the troops.

He added that it is unlikely that military operations in Afhganistan would be over in a year, intimating that Obey's "performance assessment" requirement is unnecessary and unrealistic.

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The GOP is seriously not dealing in reality on energy. Have they even read Obama's plan?

http://www.political-buzz.com/
The Dims think they can power a steel mill with a windmill. The jokes on the Dims though. The unions have caused the steel companies to move their steel mills offshore.
The Greens own the Democrats. They (the Greens) would be just as happy if we all lived in caves.
Once again the idiots without a new plan criticize.  It is no wonder their ranks have fallen.  I'll bet limpbag has a plan for them.  Zeig Heil limpbag
Why is Obie protecting foreign oil companies while at the same time he is preventing AMERICAN oil companies from expanding?

As we look at another month of 600,000+ american workers getting fired, the only companies that are hiring are foreign oil companies?  Who is Obie working for?

ALL OF THE ABOVE

ALL OF THE ABOVE

ALL OF THE ABOVE

Get it through your stupid democrat head - Obie is the foreign companies favorite prez.  

It has rolled out members from Oklahoma -- pushing oil, members from West Virginia pushing coal and others promoting off-shore drilling.

Sounds like the same old GOP approach toward total backing of fossil fuels and little willingness to invest in anything else. Following this approach would leave the US more addicted to oil than ever, with a world that passes us by on alternative energy.

Drill-baby-drill is not the answer. It is a stale approach backed by a stale party!
The Democrats have no answer for the energy issue. That's all they want to talk about is 'cap and trade' and 'new technology'. Cap and trade is nothing but another big government stealing of taxpayer dollars. 'New technology' - what new technology? What technology is out there that will meet the ever increasing energy demands of the country? There are none, and the Democrats never tell us what they are.
That must have really bummed Boehner out.

Good!
The GOP has said it’s for an “all-of-the-above” approach to energy. It has rolled out members from Oklahoma -- pushing oil, members from West Virginia pushing coal and others promoting off-shore drilling. House Minority Leader John Boehner says the party is for alternative sources as well, but the Democrats’ plans picks the “winners and losers” and would have devastating effects on industry in certain states.

How can this be a "hit" again? Hell the last lick they susposely gave the Democrats must have amounted to a pinch because I don't see this as being a hell rasing stand Domenico.

Sounds like the same ole Grand Ole Racist Party Ploy to me. Jeff Sessions is a racist and so is twisted mouth Richard Shelby.
The GOP is hitting the administration with the label 'energy tax' because that is what cap and trade amounts to-a tax on energy that will be paid by everyone for everything.

Interesting that the White House has hired an environmentalist PR group to teach them, and the Democrats in congress, the 'proper' terms to use.  So, no more global warming, (people aren't buying it), on to 'global climate crisis'.  Since people have caught on that carbon dioxide is what we exhale, and NOT dangerous carbon monoxide, (I was shocked to discover that there were that many idiots in the world, by the way), they will now be using the woirds 'pollutants', to obscure what the heck they are talking about, since all greenhouse gases are naturally occuring.  "Cap and Trade" is now to be referred to as 'our nationally shared values'-although I don't think that will work, as one has nothing to do with the other.

I think the GOP has a winner with 'national energy tax'.  It's catchy, easy to understand, and, more importantly, TRUE.

By the way, I just got back from Key West.  Talk about buyer's remorse!  Swine flu has diverted nineteen cruise ships to the city, (switched rom scheduled stops in Mexican ports); the cruise ship passengers disembark, ride the conch train, pick up some knick knacks, and get back on their ships.  The hotels, on the other hand, are empty, ditto the restaurants, and the shops that sell quality stuff are empty.  The few cars that still have Obama stickers on them have been altered, either with a red circle and slash, (obviously homemade), or with my personal favorite, a professional bumper sticker that reads "What was I thinking?"  I am told that there were six thousand people at the tea party on the island in April.

This, by the way, is one of the most liberal spots I visit, so do the math.  They are the hardest hit by the 'new fruglaity' that the administration keeps pumping, and they are suffering, because it is a tourist driven economy.

So, watch those polls.  In july, reality will really take a bite out of them.  The honeymoon is over.
Hey Mr. Boehner, we don't make very many buggy whips any more. The buggy whip industry suffered greatly with the invention and mass production of the automobile. Unfortunately dirty energy will meet the same fate and some will thus lose jobs and companies will close. Just like with buggy whips and whale oil lamps. The times they are a changin'. Get used to it.
The party of special interests, I mean the GOP speaks out on energy policy. These fools have zero credibility on anything so why is this even news.
I'll bet limpbag has a plan for them.  Zeig Heil limpbag
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I know you think you're amusing when you say that, but do you think that adds anything to the conversation?   It really only makes you sound like a moron.
It's the Democrats that don't have a plan. They stand there and tell us fossil fuels must be discontinued. Okay, then what? A solar panel won't power a skyscraper, and a windmill won't power a air traffic control facility. Nukes are off the table because apparently we are not as smart as the Japenese and the French who run their nukes just fine. So what's your plan to generate power Democrats?
dear no joe,

It must be a sad little existence just sitting around and waiting for the President to fail . . . checking people's bumpers to see if they have defaced their bumper stickers (or was that you?) . . . its gonna be a long 8 years . . . well, at least you have your crackpot econonic theories to keep you company . . . or you could get a dog . . .
" House Minority Leader John Boehner says the party is for alternative sources "

~ like clean coal, and clean oil, and clean ethanol?  lol


If you can burn it...they'll support it.

How bout we get with the times gentlemen.  Cavemen used to hunt with arrowheads too...you don't see those at your local gunshop do you?
I'm getting numb. Everyday it's some new expansion of governement. I don't know where to begin.
as gomer pyle used to say - surprise surprise surprise - nothing new here from the party of NO, the party of tax cuts, the party of drill baby drill - GOP is RIP and please sod off into your talking points lunacy...
Jill Walsh, the plan is windmills-just not on Cape Cod, we wouldn't want to to disturb the Kennedy family's views.  
Fact is that this country cannot drill or mine its way to energy independence...those who keep touting it are being either delierately ignorant or are just stupid...the republicans most certainly DO NOt beleive in an approach that includes everything...they only vote for the things their contributors tell them too...drill baby drill
Get it through your stupid democrat head - Obie is the foreign companies favorite prez.  


Obie the moron (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:22 PM
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Here is an idea for you repuke why dont you come out with a positive idea on something instead of ranting and raving, because all your party knows how to do is rant and rave!!!!! Someone would have to pay you to come up with a good idea but hey wait a second you cant because you have no new ideas!!!!!!!
Enjoying the political wilderness Repubs?

My, how some of you are upset. Get used to it.

8 years of prosperity has begun.
I know you think you're amusing when you say that, but do you think that adds anything to the conversation?   It really only makes you sound like a moron.
K. Raines, Texarkana (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:37 PM)

Only pointing out a fact.  Repukes are lock and step with limpbag.  They have no other talking points only retreading of what limpbag blows wind to.  Adds to the conversation? you bet!  The only moron here is the one who will not accept that Repukes are about party first country second!!!!!!!!
The Republicans can only react, they don't have the smarts, the ability, or the courage to offer up anything that would make this country a better place. Notice what they accomplished during the last 8 years? Yet, they seem to desire a return of crooks Bush and Cheney. It must be really frustrating to be a Republican, especially ones like Cryin John, Mitch Mc., and E. Cantor. The door will be shut to Reps. especially conservative ones for the next seven years. Man, that has got to hurt them!
It's the Democrats that don't have a plan. They stand there and tell us fossil fuels must be discontinued. Okay, then what? A solar panel won't power a skyscraper, and a windmill won't power a air traffic control facility. Nukes are off the table because apparently we are not as smart as the Japenese and the French who run their nukes just fine. So what's your plan to generate power Democrats?
Jill Walsh, Texas (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:38 PM)

And your degree is in what?  Prove that alternative energy can't!!!!  Still waiting!!!!!!
Sounds like the same ole Grand Ole Racist Party Ploy to me. Jeff Sessions is a racist and so is twisted mouth Richard Shelby. Anita, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM)
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Ah, the Dems, the party of the non-judgmental, inclusive, open minded, intellectual chattering class. How ironic they were the party that created the censorship of Politically Correct. Apparently the protections of politically correct speech only apply to a very narrow spectrum of the population. If you are a WASP, evangelical Christian, businessman or just a registered Republican, you are fair game for the Dems vitriol.
Boehner: "[Republicans have] and all-of-the-above approach to energy..."

Translation: "Republicans don't give a flip about global warming. Let's keep burning more and more oil, gas, and coal." Even the chairman of the biggest coal company in the country (Duke Energy) knows better than that.

Boehner: "...[picking] winners and losers would have devastating effects on industries..." You mean like the Interstate Highway System (Eisenhower) promoted trucking at the expense of railroads? Automobiles devastated the buggy industry? Computers put bookeepers out of work? Robots replaced tens of thousands of assembly line workers?

If the republicans have their way, 20 years from now we'll still be at the mercy of oil princes who preside over medieval societies where women are chattels. Coastal cities will begin to need dikes. And the hills of West Virginia will have been flattened to get to the coal.

It's the triumph of ideology and greed over clear thinking.

Whoa... do you suppose Boener and hs cronies think the End Times are close enough at hand so that they (the chosen ones) don't have to worry about any of the long-range stuff?

The new technologies are: a smarter power grid, wind, tidal, solar and advance fission power generation.  Once those get working, which money from cap-and-trade would fund, we will have to worry less about CO2 emmissions and people dying in coal mines and oil rigs.  
The most interesting thing: Corporations DO NOT pay taxes, people do! If a corporation pays a higher tax, it just gets passed on to the consumer. A corporation is in the business to make a profit for its shareholders. Taxes are a cost of doing business. The corporation either raises its sales or lowers its cost of doing business (expenses)to make a profit. Without a profit the corporation will eventually cease to exist. Thank you.

jimmytoms (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:19 AM)
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jimmytoms, I hate to break it to you but Corporations and companies are fully capable of existing without making a profit. It is called running at the Break-Even point. Heres a link that may help you with this, sorry it isn't drudge report...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-even

But I guess you'll just use your basic understanding of how a corporation runs to further a failed right wing political agenda.

-BEAR
The Dims think they can power a steel mill with a windmill. The jokes on the Dims though. The unions have caused the steel companies to move their steel mills offshore.
Les Towns, Lexington Ky (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:16 PM)

thats funny, I thought it was because they wanted to pay a foreign worker $5 a day as opposed to a living wage that helps the middle class.  My mistake I guess.  Oh well, at least the CEO's got their 100$ million bonus last year.  Whatever happened to corporations that took community responsibility seriously?
It's the Democrats that don't have a plan. They stand there and tell us fossil fuels must be discontinued. Okay, then what? A solar panel won't power a skyscraper, and a windmill won't power a air traffic control facility. Nukes are off the table because apparently we are not as smart as the Japenese and the French who run their nukes just fine. So what's your plan to generate power Democrats?

Jill Walsh, Texas (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:38 PM)
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biodiesel, biodiesel, biodiesel.  you can convert current combustion engines to run on it, and with a large energy company partnering with GM or an automaker to get the infrastructure needed (biodiesel pumps, tanks, and so on) within 10 years we could cut our oil consumption in half with just switching cars and trucks to biodiesel, not to mention generators that run on petroleum based fuels.

add solar, wind, geothermal, and hydro plants where applicable and efficient, but the bridge to hydrogen cells and other future techs could easily be biodiesel.  and the good thing about biodiesel is that it is carbon neutral: it doesn't increase carbon emissions as it is already in the carbon cycle naturally.  fossil fuels are an additive force in the carbon equation, because being buried beneath the earth removes them from the carbon cycle.

nuclear is an option, but it is also a large security risk.  the possibility of an attack on a nuclear reactor increases with each additional plant, and any breach to one of these facilities would be catastrophic.
I like it when the Democrats on these posts run out of anything with substance to say.  Then they resort to typing "racist" over and over again.
What is wrong with drilling for natural gas?  I read that 200 trillion cubic feet was just discovered in Louisiana.
It's the Democrats that don't have a plan. They stand there and tell us fossil fuels must be discontinued. Okay, then what? A solar panel won't power a skyscraper, and a windmill won't power a air traffic control facility. Nukes are off the table because apparently we are not as smart as the Japenese and the French who run their nukes just fine. So what's your plan to generate power Democrats? Jill Walsh, Texas (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:38 PM)
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You are right, "a solar panel" will not run a skyscraper, or an air traffic control center...but a system of them will...

You want nuclear?  Let's dig a hole in your backyard to put the waste...you still like it?  That's the problem...no states want or can safely store the million year by-product.

Democrats don't have a plan??  How bout the GOP doesn't have a clue...

Wind, Solar, Damless Hydro, Cellousic Ethanol, Geothermal, Methane from Landfills...talked about constantly by left leaning groups, and ridiculed as tree hugger ideology by those who make billions off of stopping energy progress.






When the Republicans controlled the White House and Congress. the energy companies ROBBED CALIFORNIA BLIND

Enron, Dynergy and friends manipulated our energy market and ripped off our state

When Bush was in office, gas prices were at $4 a gallon

Anyboyd remember ??

Let's try something new
Renewable energy
Energy conservation
Responsible government

IS THAT too much to ask ??

HAs the Boner been 're-branded' yet ??
And I say....Democrats -- Hit back!! When you have
T. Boone Pickens working with Ted Turner on Energy Policy, opposites on political views.....what's up with Congress?  Don't you know this could be the difference between having our own factory jobs again and we, as a country, can once again rule in Job creation for the middle class.
some people don't get that if we don't develop energy independence we are doomed as a superpower.

clean energy is something we must do as well for the future of our kids. why are some people so scared or unwilling to take a different approach?

the gop yells tax and the idiots follow. the gop doesn't give a damn about you folks. it is about money. by the way it is not suggested that steel mills be powered by wind mills you ass. energy should be diverse. windmills, solar panels, hydro-energy and technology to sequester coal that can be used cleanly are what we need to do.

the lie that your cost for utilities is going to go up dramatically is a lie and they hope you fools keep letting them scare you all into believing their lies. the cap would force some companies to put money into r&d (if you don't know what r&d is then you should not even be talking in this room. you should take your butt back to school) so that 20 years from now your kids will still have an environment to enjoy instead of polluted rivers, hunting grounds, camping grounds and places we live that will be safe to use.

don't be idiots. the gop don't give a damn about you.

they just feed on your hate of democrats, people that are different from you and a man that is darker than most of you in the gop(our president). they give you alternative reasons to hate people and the president so that you can lie to yourselves and say i'm not racist.

truth is this president can do all the things most of you in the gop want and you still would rise up against him because he has broken the barrier of only whitemen in the whitehouse. all the reason you give are just excuses that take the place of what is truly in your heart. that is hatred.

you would have hated hillary to. racist white folk head the gop. michael steele is proof of that. the first black rnc leader and the white gop leaders want to put him on a leash and turn him into a house boy. the gop is a hateful and undercover racist party.
No Joe,No Facts, when will you ever get an original idea. So a catchy phrase is all it takes for NO FACT JOE, to consider it a great idea. I see you got your obligatory hatred of liberal in your RNC repeat blog. honestly NO FACT JOE, when will you axctually give us some real information and facts instead of your constant hate barrage against all things liberal. I bet you must like the other cute  racist phrases that other gutless republicans use. Nn facts with No Joe, just hatred and bitterness. Thank God I only skim the parts where he attacks his fellow americans to respond to his factless blog. The rest of his blog is useless RNC talking points. Another braindead republican that can only repeat what Rush Limpbag tells you to repeat. K. Raines, if the shoe fits then say it. So K. Raines, did Rush Limpbag approve of your response? It is obvious that all republicans  worship the ground he walks on and never ever say anything that would not appease the Limpbag. K. Raines the truth sucks doesn't it. So does Limpbag and all you minless trolls that blindly follow him.
NoJo, I have been to key west on many occassions,have hopped off cruise ships on each stop.  Make no mistake about it - key west is thriving on cruise stops or they would not let them stop there and I'm quite sure they are enjoying the extra influx of tourists who would not normally go there, and especially after last summer - no one could afford the gas to get from the middle of the country all the way to Key West (or Miami for that matter).  While Key West may be socially liberal, they are very wealthy individuals or they would not be livng there - so your point is not valid to those of us who have gotten off cruise ships at Key West - maybe they are for those less traveled, but quite a few of us know you are just recycling talking points by rush 101.  Do you know the amount of the fine imposed on cruisers who miss their ship's sailing from a day stop in Key West?  I do, I have actually know people who missed their ships departure, not only do they pay a fine, they pay exorbient hotel prices plus travel costs to the next port of call - that is why I don't take time to eat or explore much in Key West, maybe that is why others don't either.
What was once a beautiful place has now become just another greedy port of call.  I'm sure Papa Hemmingway would roll over in his grave if he saw Key West today.
Regarding energy - well the repugnants have had a long time (starting with Nixon) to work on the problem, unfortunately they don't seem to be able to forget their stock portfolio when it comes time to vote or we would have been out from under the oil companies (US and foreign owned) control years ago - which is what we need to do immediately.
what Boner needs to be reminded of now and then is that The dems won.it ain't about who gets what.As long as the republicans amble along in the wilderness,crying everyday about not getting there way,I say grow up and be a man,you sound like a bunch of girl scouts.Obama has said,and 80 % of the people agree,It is time to get off OIL.but since your party is OWNED by the OIL company's you have no choice but to blow there horn everytime they tell you to blow.Dill baby Dill, sour puss get a clue, and see if you can buy a pair.Semi,,, the country wants re-useable fuels,  solar,thats that red thing in the sky,it warms things up.Bio,,,we grow it in the ground,even electric,wind,you know mother nature handles this.So please stay out of touch keep playing to the few thousand base'ers your party has left,maybe they are listening.No one else is.
The GOP is hitting the administration with the label 'energy tax' because that is what cap and trade amounts to-a tax on energy that will be paid by everyone for everything.

Interesting that the White House has hired an environmentalist PR group to teach them, and the Democrats in congress, the 'proper' terms to use.  So, no more global warming, (people aren't buying it), on to 'global climate crisis'.  Since people have caught on that carbon dioxide is what we exhale, and NOT dangerous carbon monoxide, (I was shocked to discover that there were that many idiots in the world, by the way), they will now be using the woirds 'pollutants', to obscure what the heck they are talking about, since all greenhouse gases are naturally occuring.  "Cap and Trade" is now to be referred to as 'our nationally shared values'-although I don't think that will work, as one has nothing to do with the other.

I think the GOP has a winner with 'national energy tax'.  It's catchy, easy to understand, and, more importantly, TRUE.

By the way, I just got back from Key West.  Talk about buyer's remorse!  Swine flu has diverted nineteen cruise ships to the city, (switched rom scheduled stops in Mexican ports); the cruise ship passengers disembark, ride the conch train, pick up some knick knacks, and get back on their ships.  The hotels, on the other hand, are empty, ditto the restaurants, and the shops that sell quality stuff are empty.  The few cars that still have Obama stickers on them have been altered, either with a red circle and slash, (obviously homemade), or with my personal favorite, a professional bumper sticker that reads "What was I thinking?"  I am told that there were six thousand people at the tea party on the island in April.

This, by the way, is one of the most liberal spots I visit, so do the math.  They are the hardest hit by the 'new fruglaity' that the administration keeps pumping, and they are suffering, because it is a tourist driven economy.

So, watch those polls.  In july, reality will really take a bite out of them.  The honeymoon is over.

no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM)
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It is clear that you aren't fully aware that while there are naturally occurring sources of certain greenhouse gasses, those sources make up in some cases only 20% of the emissions that are released worldwide.

What that means is that the balance of our planet is slowly but surely being thrown off balance. This effects ecology, global weather patterns, natural disasters, and the like.

I am sure you have fully read up on SO2, NOx, and O3, right? I hope so, because if you aren't you need to rethink your opinion.

Our country has been letting these corporations get away with murder, with EPA loopholes that give old factories the ability to keep their current technologies, but if they "major upgrade", then they must put in the best available technology(BAT), but even the wording in these laws are unclear which gives them the ability to debate "Major Upgrade".


the truth is that we have been living a lie. Prices will most likely rise a small amount, but that is the TRUE cost of producing that product. Including the costs of containing the waste, and emissions that are put out. Right now costs aren't representative of the true cost to produce this product, and that cost shouldn't be on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, but on the CORPORATIONS! ISN'T THAT FISCAL CONSERVATISM?

So please cap and trade, help curb our super consumer economy that spends without thought, and help put the boot in the ass that will get some companies seriously investing in new technologies to increase their profitability by reducing their emissions.

-BEAR
Why is Obie protecting foreign oil companies while at the same time he is preventing AMERICAN oil companies from expanding?

As we look at another month of 600,000+ american workers getting fired, the only companies that are hiring are foreign oil companies?  Who is Obie working for?

ALL OF THE ABOVE

ALL OF THE ABOVE

ALL OF THE ABOVE

Get it through your stupid democrat head - Obie is the foreign companies favorite prez.  

Obie the moron (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:22 PM)
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You're right. Giving the oil companies more and more is the answer. What's it like to be this under-educated? Please tell me.
If the republicans have their way, 20 years from now we'll still be at the mercy of oil princes who preside over medieval societies where women are chattels. Coastal cities will begin to need dikes. And the hills of West Virginia will have been flattened to get to the coal.

Math Teacher, San Antonio (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:59 PM)

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Why do we have to be at the mercy of oil princes from medieval societies?  There is plenty of oil here in the US.  Along with natural gas.  I say we tap into what we have while developing a long-range plan for alternatives.

Or maybe you'd like to se the hills covered in windmills.  Or deserts covered in solar panels?

There's GOT to be a reason why Obama wants us dependant on foreign oil instead of letting us drill for our own.
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:26 PM)

The Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels said in an internal report, “The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied.”

So even the scientists representing the oil and coal industry concede that it is real.

Interesting that the GOP is so worried about our children's (and grandchildren's) future because they are going to have to pay more taxes. But they don't seem too worried about the fact that those same future citizens will be dealing with global food shortages caused by greatly altered climates around the world.

Also, it should be noted that the problem with Carbon Dioxide is not that the emissions are directly toxic in the concentrations they are produced (those problems were largely solved in the 1970s). The problem that causes global warming is that these greenhouse gases increase in percentage in the atmosphere and act like a big blanket and trap the heat from the sun. Yes, Carbon Dioxide does occur naturally. But not in the volume that we humans are creating by burning so much coal, oil, and even wood.

Most scientists and experts have agreed that the cap and trade system will cause a minor cost to the average American. But the $3k+ per year that the republicans and power industries are throwing out have been refuted to be wildly over the top.
Wind, Solar, Damless Hydro, Cellousic Ethanol, Geothermal, Methane from Landfills...talked about constantly by left leaning groups, and ridiculed as tree hugger ideology by those who make billions off of stopping energy progress. GP NW Indiana

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That's your plan? That's it? That won't power anything. The US would be a third world country in less then a decade. But that's the liberals ultimate plan now isn't it?
Let me guess - drilling for oil and tax breaks for corporations and rich people -- Look at the GOP and all their new ideas...
I don't know why the GOP couldn't come up with a really good energy source, since they are all nothing but "Windbags".  See, that might be one source to use all their hot air to run some kind of industry.  Never can tell!  Might work.
It's the Democrats that don't have a plan. They stand there and tell us fossil fuels must be discontinued. Okay, then what? A solar panel won't power a skyscraper, and a windmill won't power a air traffic control facility. Nukes are off the table because apparently we are not as smart as the Japenese and the French who run their nukes just fine. So what's your plan to generate power Democrats?
Jill Walsh, Texas (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:38 PM)

And your degree is in what?  Prove that alternative energy can't!!!!  Still waiting!!!!!!
Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA (Sent Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:58 PM)

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Terry, good response. I too am tired of the people who won't support science but KNOW that the alternatives won't work. How do they know? What evidence do they have. They don't know that there are windmills the produce enough energy per windmill for 300 to 3000 homes depending on the size. They don't know that if you install solar panels on your home you are likely to produce more energy than you use. Your meter will go backwards and you will get free electricity. They don't understand that SC Johnson company is powering factories with alternative energy. They have a factory in Malaysia that runs on energy from the burning of coconut shells. They have a factory in Michigan that runs on the gas from a landfill and then there is the one powered entirely by windmills. In Brazil they grow plants specifically for the fuel they can provide. Nuclear waste is highly toxic and no state wants to store it. Yucca Flat in Nevada still has room for some of it but that won't take too long if we put in more nuclear energy. By the way most uranium comes from other countries and so it depends on us buying from other countries and it is neither sustainable nor renewable.

Geothermal is limited as is hydro power. With funding and incentives hydrogen (the most abundant element in the universe) can be harnassed to provide energy. We have the technology but it needs tweaking and we need more efficient ways to capture pure hydrogen. Research and development can do that. Farmers are being paid by electric companies to allow windmills on their vast lands. That energy is used by the electric company and some farmers get all the power they can use free. Since power is one of the major costs of providing needed products and services one would think that everyone would be for better, cheaper, cleaner, sustainable, and renewable home supplied energy instead of what we have had in the past. We shouldn't expect to wait until the last drop of oil or lump of coal are extracted before we think about alternative energy. We didn't learn from the long gas lines in the 70s and some haven't learned from the high gas prices of the past several years.

We won't switch over night. Just like going from buggies to cars it took a few decades to totally convert and so it will be with energy. If we don't start now when will we start? Will we wait for other countries to develop alternative energy and buy from them or be the leader? Will we sit back and wring our hands because powerful lobbyists and huge energy providers don't want alternative energy and don't want to use their resources and talent to be a part of the transition from fossil fuels to green energy. Just like in the past, those companies who made seats for buggies either died or made seats for cars those companies can either lead, follow or get out of the way when it comes to energy. We will need coal, oil and natural gas for a few more decades. A slow steady transition makes good sense. It is going to happen eventually. While fossil fuel provided energy for the 19th and 20th Centuries the demands and needs of people in the 21st Century require a change to green energy.

Continuing to by oil from people who hate us will not help anyone but a few sheiks and oil barrons but no one else. Side benefit to the change is clean air and water. Who can object to clean air and water? Anyone who does should be put in a place with heavily polluted air and water and see how they survive.

BTW - Corn based ethanol actually adds to global warming.

Warren Buffet's number 2 was quoted yesterday as saying anybody who wanted to implement cap and trade in this economy is demented.  For all the ideas mentioned the problem is there is no grid to transfer the energy from where it can be produced to where it is used.  This is the issue to address first.  On the nuclear power and NIMBY attitude.  The same problem occurs when you want to put up a wind-farm.  re: Kennedy and the other rich neighbors in Martha s Vineyard.
Amazing how "Cap and Trade" was an alternative that the Republicans were touting just a few years ago . . . wait a minute, Senator McCain was touting it just last year . . . but now they are against it just because President Obama (the winner) supports it.

Just one of the blatant examples of the G'NO'Pers opposing anything President Obama (the winner) supports.  This just shows the hypocracy of the G'NO'Pers and their focus on 'Party First' rather than 'Country First'.


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