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Congress: What Pelosi knew

Posted: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:44 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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What did she know, and when did she know it? The Washington Post: “Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used.” And there’s also that tricky issue of those ethics investigations that still haven’t happened relating to Jack Murtha and Charlie Rangel.

“CIA records show House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on harsh interrogation techniques being used on terrorist suspects, but the records do little to settle a dispute over whether she knew waterboarding had already been used against one prisoner by then,” the AP reports.

More evidence card-check doesn’t have a chance this year? Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE): “You take away the arbitration issue, and you still have the ‘card check’, so that doesn’t work. You take away the ‘card check’ and you still have the arbitration problem. And if both go away, you’re left with nothing. It’s a fool’s errand to do this. I just don’t see an agreement happening.”

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All our hands are dirty...Knowing or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaG7pfNrnzE
Question:

If Speaker Pelosi did know about the Bush Administration's torture policy, then what?

Is that illegal?

What should she have done with that knowledge - make a citizen's arrest?

Does telling alot of people about your crimes absolve you of guilt?
I'm not sure you can hold Pelosi accountable for something she heard in 2002. She can't even remember what she had for breakfest, let alone what was going on 7 years ago.
Pelosi is a liar.
The evidence supports Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she was not informed that waterboarding was being used.  She was briefed only once in 2002 about EIT's, before waterboarding was used so the evidence proves her assertion that she was not informed about waterboarding being used.  Case Closed!

In Pelosi We Trust!
Prosecute War Criminals Bush and Cheney!
Get her out of there...finally. Change is on its way.
If Pelosi knew, then she needs to go.  
Whether or not she was told about waterboarding (I believe she was), she said she was told only what COULD be used, not WHAT ACTUALLY was done. That's now a proven lie.

IMPEACH!
Hey, what are you guys doing printing this stuff?  Aren't you the network of "Thrill-Up-My-Leg" Matthews?  Why aren't you ignoring or suppressing anything unfavorable to Pelosi, Murtha and Rangel?  You're acting like a legitimate news organization. Stop!
Here's the quote:  (PLEOSI): "We were not -- I repeat were not -- told that waterboarding or ANY OF THESE OTHER enhanced interrogation methods were used."

Whether or not she was told the guy was waterboarded, she was told about what was done. She lied. (Again)

She's a political hack and will lie over and over to us just to score points.

We don't need her kind in office.
That woman is worthless
Anyone who beleives Pelosi is crazy, I think she is the WORST example of ultra liberal giving democrats a bad name.  p.s. I'm a Democrat!

Do as I say, not as I do... This being the perfect example.  Using the torture memos to undermine republicans, meanwhile she knew about it from 2002 and did nothing back then because it would have put her in a difficult position politically as public opinion was still very pro-torture & kill-em-all due to 911 being fresh in everyone's mind.

She's a politican, and none of them can be trusted to do anything except what is best for them and their financial supporters.  

Might be news, but it certainly is no surprise.  Politicians only admit what they think can be proven and talk out the other side of their face until then..
My how one's outlook changes when the shoe is on the other foot. Pelosi knew and it didn't bother her before but now it does. What is different today than when she learned about the torture in the first place? A change in Admininstrations and more power in Congress could explain a lot. Be careful, Nancy, the truth commission you seek may tell a little more truth about YOU than you might like.
ha...haha....hahaha....
This is delicious, where are all the libs defending Mrs. pelosi?????
It's very funny, or is it just one of those political coincidences that Mrs. pelosi seems to have differing memories of these briefings????
Why can't we all just admit she knew, she gave it a wink and a nod, a tacit approval. Afterall, these horrible interrogations did keep her grandchildren safe as well. I wonder just how committed her opposition to these enhanced techniques ever was?!?!
Would she be against waterboarding if indeed it yielded information to save one of her grandchildren? Why doesn't the media ask her ???????
At the end of the day, she along with the other folks in Washington are HYPOCRITES!!!
Pretending otherwise suggests you either don't have the guts or smarts to recognize just what your Federal Government has become.
She reminds me of what Howdie Doodies wife would look like when trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.
This woman is an accomplished liar who's only goal is self,self,self.
It is time to go when you believe the people you are talking to don't hear your double speak and that is what you will hear as explanations to what she knew. Even under oath she will not be forthright with the American people.  But that is one of the ways she can be forced divulge information that can be refuted.
It blow me away when people like polosi act repulsed and dismayed by the actions they behind the sceans either helped design as a program or even endorsed as a method.  
I for one after finding out all of the FACTs of the waterboarding that was carried out was saddened by the misinformation spread by our "mainstream media" to America, but was encouraged by the results.
At least when we "torture" you don't see films of our people dancing around with the heads of our prisoners in our hands.

poor Nazeee..seems she pulled a Dodd..

Bruce
Does it define what "harsh interrogation tehniques" are?  That should be the story, not that she was briefed but was she briefed about the specific type of techniques!!!!!Anyone can be briefed to a certain degree without specifics!!!!I am not defending her, I am questioning the story because it lacks specifics!!!!
The Speaker needs to resign.

The United States does not need someone in leadership who is more concerned with politics than National Security, especially now.

Even if she can't recall an important CIA briefing after we were attacked on our homeland with the possibility of future attacks, shows her incompentence.

Once again. Dems getting caught in lies and blaming Republicans for it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. I knew it.
Eric Salanas from CA:"The evidence supports Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she was not informed that waterboarding was being used.  She was briefed only once in 2002 about EIT's, before waterboarding was used so the evidence proves her assertion that she was not informed about waterboarding being used.  Case Closed!"

"In Pelosi We Trust!"
"Prosecute War Criminals Bush and Cheney!"

Dude, you really dont know you a__ from a hole in the ground do you?

In Pelosi we trust?
Prosecute Bush and Cheney?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasnt Pelosi that REFUSED to prosecute?

Pelosi is a papist puppet.
One day soon, you all are going to see what that means for America.
Mrs.Pelosi !One has to be very care full,before throwing the Bucket of Mud on others, as most likely the Bucket splashes BACK some of the MUD on the thrower too.NOW get out & CLEAN Your ......!  
Mrs.Pelosi !One has to be very care full,before throwing the Bucket of Mud on others, as most likely the Bucket splashes BACK some of the MUD on the thrower too.NOW get out & CLEAN Your ......!  
Speaker Pelosi,
Your credibility is gone and you have been exposed for what you truly are; a hypocrite posing as a guardian of American ethics and morality.  Your double standard sickens me.  PLEASE RESIGN.  
More on the specifics---this story implies that she was briefed on specific interrogation techniques but does not state what those "techniques" were.  Again I am not defending her but implying one was briefed on something does not mean they new the entire details of what was being done or going on.  Granted she should have had the fortitude to press hard questions.  I do seem to recall those that questioned the former dunce in chief's administration during that time were labeled "UNPATRIOTIC".  
Pelosi is such a good liar she could be a MSNBC anchor or contributor.  No one would ever know she lied if MSNBC or NBC was the only TV news channel.
This is crazy.  Why isn't anyone upset and asking did the terrorist know that the other terrorist was cutting heads off?  These guys have been on vacation in Gitmo with their three square meals, private rooms, air condition, clean water, clean cloths, and the comforts of a warm bed.  They have it better than any homeless shelter in the country and we are concerned that they were given a rough bath.  Haven’t you ever been to the beach? Its hard to get the sand out sometimes.  Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Folks, to begin with waterboarding is only torture if you harm them, not make them think they are being harmed, The method saved American Lives which it has been proven it did, then let's water board all of them--OOPS Too Late... The Libs have already let the Terrorist know we are only scaring them and will not go thru with actual harming them.. You Bleeding Heart Liberals...When will you realize how serious this is, when you see your own child being beheaded on AL Jereez TV? or when your childs school gets blown up by the radicals that hate us and will not negotiate with us until we are all dead! It is YOU they hate, not Chaney!, Not Bush! It is you the American infidel regardless of how you vote or think !!
Pelosi lied and got cought.
Most of the Democrats I know won't be defending her. Obama would have been a lot better off if he could have gotten rid of both Pelosi and Reid, both are wimps. Her failure to work to impeach Bush was one of her major failings, maybe because she knew what would come out an investigation?
It doesn't make any difference her loving voters would still believe everyword she said. I don't blame Pelosi, I blame the morons that elected her over and over.
She is only following the rest of the liars, Bill Clinton,(Monica) Harry Reid (real estate deal), Charlie Rangle (taxes), Chris Dodd (sweet mortgage), Tom Dashel (taxes), Tim Geitner, (Taxes). They all got away with it, so what's the big deal? Why are they ALL democrats?  I smell a Hillary in the wings
She is only following the rest of the liars, Bill Clinton,(Monica) Harry Reid (real estate deal), Charlie Rangle (taxes), Chris Dodd (sweet mortgage), Tom Dashel (taxes), Tim Geitner, (Taxes). They all got away with it, so what's the big deal? Why are they ALL democrats?  I smell a Hillary in the wings
I wish I could explain what happened to the Democrats in Congress & the Senate in the couple of years after 9/11.  The worst of it is that they voted to give Bush the authority to start the war in Iraq.  I think they were afraid to stand and oppose the Bush Administration because so many Americans were so angry.  

America wanted to lash out & the dems didn't want to be seen as standing in their way.  The real crime is that the Bush Administration took that anger we were feeling & misdirected it into a war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Let's give Nancy Pelosi a little time & see what she has to say about this memo before we jump to too many conclusions.
Great tactic, deflect the blame away from the perpetrators toward Pelosi. It is Cheney, Bush, Alberto Gonzales and the other criminals who actually approved the torcher.  
One persons attempt (non life threatning) to gain information is another's form of torture. Pelosi is guilty of knowing about the tactics and then hiding behind symantics. Is it possible that she agreed, as exhibited by her silence at the time, with the tactics being used to gain knowledge from people that would kill her or any American at the drop of a hat??
Who does she think she is kidding?  Does she think we are soooo stupid to believe that she was "briefed," but "well, they told me about the techniques that were available, but I never thought they were going to actually use them."  Give me a break.  The American people are not that stupid.

Obama spoke of our nation being arrogant abroad.  Well, he should have looked first at this arrogant broad, Pelosi!
The CIA first briefed Congress on torture on September 4, 2002, 35 days after CIA purportedly began waterboarding and much longer after we know CIA started torturing Abu Zubaydah. Moreover, we have on the record statements from Pelosi and Goss that CIA did not tell Congress they were already in the business of torture. Their discussions of torture were all prospective, and they may even have stated clearly that they had not used these techniques yet, which (if true) would be a clear and direct lie to Congress.

Republicans think they can stop the coming change by throwing Democrat's names into the ring. They are dead wrong.
This isnt about torture. Its about Politics. Do Dems care if a babies head is crushed with forceps in the womb? But they are outraged that you pour water over a terrorists head? If people would forget what baseball team they are on for a moment and just think rationally instead of with intense bias they might be able to see they are actually drones repeating the company line---sheep. They devised a way to get info to protect YOU that would not hurt a head choppin off, kneecap drillin, mass murderer yet all your concerned about is crucifying those who tried to prevent your loved ones deaths. Are we brainwashed zombies or do we accept the world we live in? Need someone to hate--so you hate those who serve you? They do this to cops too. It a psychological sickness.
It is high time we Dems and Repubs work together as Americans in broadcasting what we think about what is happening to "us"!  I am sick of hearing what "they" in our representitive form of gov says we want or think.  They are so far away from the reality of us "small"  people-yet it is our "small"  pocket books that pay their "big" salaries and give them the lives of luxury. Gitmo is not the place these "war" moguls belong.  I say send them back to where they came from and let their own country deal with them as they please.  Why is it our business what happens to them in their own country?
Pelosi is such a good liar she could be a MSNBC anchor or contributor.  No one would ever know she lied if MSNBC or NBC was the only TV news channel.
J. Cheev, Jackson, Tn (Sent Friday, May 08, 2009 11:16 AM)
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....As he makes this statement......FROM THE MSNBC BOARD COVERING THE STORY!!!

Dolt!
Every Politician Lies! How Do you think they get Elected! so it's not just Nancy Pelosi who knew about the use of waterboarding on terroist!  Ye@h i Am A Democrat Who Supporte all of the way! I'm Standing Up 4 What i Believe in! Everyone one else should too
In lieu of the socialist agenda being forced on free Americans. I have a solution! If 50 to 100 million conservatives would agree to trade countrys with the remaining Mexican people. We could all go to Mexico, and they could come here to the socialist life they want to live. We could go to Mexico, elect a government, setup an actual republic, and build the fence from south of the boarder to keep Obamaites up here. Then Nancy Palosi can lie all she wants and get away with it. Then in a decade or so when the USA goes broke. We can buy it back real cheap.  

Anyone with me?
I don't understand why everyone's focus is on Nancy Pelosi.  She didn't create or direct the policy.  Those briefings are Top Secret and anyone at the meetings is bound by law to not divulge anything discussed in the meetings, not to anyone.

If  she is complicit in any way, it  still doesn't exonerate the people that are really responsible.
Snap out of it dems and throw this lying rat out.  She's been trying to toss people under the bus for months and now we find out she was involved the whole time.  Disgraceful.
Just more proof that Pelosi is a corrupt political opportunist and subject only to the court of public opinion.  Her dishonesty and hypocrisy is news to no one.
Everyone on capital hill knew, do you really think that it's one big secret, all of you liberals that think that Nancy Pelosi or anyone (rep or dem)up there is innocent are severely flawed in the head! But does the technique work? Did we get information that stopped other attacks? YES! So when they march over here and take your city do not come running to the CIA and say they should have been doing more!!!! Thank people like you! that think that getting information in a time of war is wrong, alas our enemies just shoot us or cut off our heads! at least we as citizens pay to give them a place to sleep, korans, food, water! So much for what they did to our people!!! OH YEA DIDN'T WE PAY (Tax DOLLARS) FOR THEM TO HAVE LAWYERS TOO!
She knew. She approved. Shed did the RIGHT thing.
She is only following the rest of the liars, Bill Clinton,(Monica) Harry Reid (real estate deal), Charlie Rangle (taxes), Chris Dodd (sweet mortgage), Tom Dashel (taxes), Tim Geitner, (Taxes). They all got away with it, so what's the big deal? Why are they ALL democrats?  I smell a Hillary in the wings

Don't forget Bush: AWOL, A drunk, Liar,  War criminal.
Chaney:  Lied about Iraq, Coward (Five deferements from  VN).


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