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Pelosi's stands by torture statements

Posted: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:34 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Mike Viqueira and Domenico Montanaro
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is standing by her position on her previous statements on what she knew about torture techniques used by the U.S. government:

"Of the forty CIA briefings to Congress reported recently in the press, I was only briefed once, on September 4, 2002, as I have previously stated. As I said in my statement of December 9, 2007: 'I was briefed on interrogation techniques the Administration was considering using in the future. The Administration advised that legal counsel for both the CIA and the Department of Justice had concluded that the techniques were legal.' I had no further briefings on the techniques.

"My understanding of the briefing I received is consistent with the description that CIA General Counsel Scott Muller provided to Congresswoman Jane Harman in a letter dated February 28, 2003, which states: 'As we informed both you and the leadership of the Intelligence Committees last September, a number of Executive Branch lawyers including lawyers from the Department of Justice participated in the determination that, in the appropriate circumstances, the use of these techniques is fully consistent with U.S. law.' As reported in the press, the accompanying memo from CIA Director Panetta concedes that the descriptions provided by the CIA may not be accurate."

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WHAT I Want to Know:

WHAT DID GEORGE BUSH KNOW ??

AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT ??

DID GEORGE BUSH APPROVE TORTURE ??

Whether or not Pelosi knew about torture is unclear
It doubtful that Bush told her 'We're Torturing'
What she know was doubtless 'Top Secret'
She COULDN;'T DISCUSS ANY OF IT !!

The Republicans can't get any tractio nattacking Obama, so they try to attack Pelosi

No try, NO DICE !!
From another post:

So you don't want the gov to control your bedroom or your body but it is ok if they steal money from me to use for your cause.  Most abortions are elective.  So this also means you advocate using gov funds for breast enhancement.
chris, alabama

Reading is fundamental and understanding is the key to learning. Read and understand comments before you attack them, what a piece of work!
J. Ellis, Virginia (Sent Friday, May 08, 2009 10:28 AM) you can watch it on C-Span, don’t wait to just see the highlights.  Trust me, it is usually an awesome night of hilarity and Wanda Sykes guarantees some major laughs!
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So Do You Trust Her (Sent Friday, May 08, 2009 10:46 AM)

No, YOU are missing the point.  She sat in on a briefing in 2002 where these methods were discussed.  NOT where she was told they were actually being used.  In fact, it was explicitly stated that should those methods be deployed, the parties would be briefed.  THAT is the part she is claiming never happened.  I am NO fan of Pelosi; but come on, we didn’t go to war with Iraq until March 2003.  Quit acting like this 2002 meeting was anything more than theory.
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“…Most abortions are elective.  So this also means you advocate using gov funds for breast enhancement.”  chris, alabama (Sent Friday, May 08, 2009 12:24 PM)

It is just this type of trite response that infuriates those of us supporting a Women’s Right to Choose.  What the hell does breast enhancement have to do with a very personal, wrenching decision that some women have to face through NO fault of their own (rape or incest)?  My issue with this debate is that it cannot be legislated fairly.  Ever.  Stop doubling down on stupid and attempt to show some compassion for victims of sex crimes.  The only boob I see here is you, but you are correct-it is indeed large.
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I typed this up earlier, but this article further supports my point.
Does she really think anyone believes her anymore?
4000 soldiers and over 40,000 civilians in the Irap war DEAD, but now that Pres. Obama is in charge. The media is watching with a microscope every decision and move he makes. To bad you guys didn't do Bush the same way! **tsk tsk**

I wonder if the President would have decided to pull the soldiers from both place would those tea baggers and the media have been calling the Pres. a "woose" for doing so? Inquiring minds would like to know!
We all know full well how secretive Tyrants Bush and Cheney were about anything and everything.  Considering that Nancy's briefing took place in very early September and the first waterboardings were in August of 2002 it's rather doubtful that the secretive bushwhacker administration did inform Congress they were actually using waterboarding.

Time for Tyrant Cheney to shut his ignorant lying trap trying to justify his lawlessness.  Waterboarding is torture and those who propagated this sordid lawbreaking must be punished.  We can all see that the few bad apples were in the White House yet look how the Tyrants Bush and Cheney tried to blame our soldiers.  We need to get rid of conservative activist Judge Bybee for his twisting the law with twisted illogic.

Prosecute War Criminals Bush and Cheney!
Impeach Bybee!
From NBC's Mike Viqueira and Domenico Montanaro
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is standing by her position on her previous statements on what she knew about torture techniques used by the U.S. government:

She had better, I wouldn't trust a leaked memo from the CIA, especially one that Cheney had one of his left over menions plant.
How do you know when Pelosi is lying?  Her lips are moving!
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As reported in the press, the accompanying memo from CIA Director Panetta concedes that the descriptions provided by the CIA may not be accurate.
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Leave Nancy Pelosi  alone. There should be no doubt the Republicans are going after every jar of gourmet mustard and any vulnerable person who supports the President.
I'm going to need more money from others to overlook this one Nancy. I never looked at your lies as "lies to me" but "lies for me" so it didn't bother me if the pay off was there. This one is going to cost you.
Well, I don't know what's worse - her lie or
if she isn't lying - her ignorance!
Well, I don't know what's worse - her lie or
if she isn't lying - her ignorance!
The only problem with her latest spin is that the meeting was described in the memo as a “Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.”

Given the records show EITs were used on Abu Zubadaydah BEFORE the briefing, her claim that the description of the briefing is inaccurate is dubious at best.

She needs to step down as Speaker of the House.
WHAT DID GEORGE BUSH KNOW ??

AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT ?

DID GEORGE BUSH APROVE TORTURE ??
First she says she was never told they "used" water boarding tactics.. then says she was told that Bush hadnt used them YET.. now saying that she was only told they used tactics that were legal.

Anyway she tries to worm her way out, she knew. She knew dam well.

So basicaly, its ok to lie and agree with torture if your a democrat?!?

I'm tired of the party system dealing with liars like Bush, Cheynne, Obama and Pelosi. A liar is a liar, no matter their party, their sex, or their color!

MSNBC please be critical and not biased using the criteria mentioned!

I think readers every where miss the "just the facts" good reporting we used to have, and not the selective, politically bias reporting we see these days!
Hey if Nancy is OK with the torture,  then so am I.
much ado about nothing
FULL investigation and let the chips fall where they may.
"Pelosi Stands By Torture Statements"


Which ones. The ones where she didn't know about the torture? Or the ones that she did know about the torture?
So one is a lawyer in a cushy Washington job and some high ranking government official (Bush or more likely Cheney) tells them that these techniques are legal rather than asking if they are and making it clear that to keep the cushy job they need to be a team player, they did whatever was necessary to please their bosses and that was to say that the methods used were okay. Sure it wasn't like pungi sticks in the finger nails or breaking bones so it must have been okay, right? Unfortunately they were wrong.

Should DOD or CIA working stiffs be accountable? No. Orders came from on high and they did what they thought best for their own hides. No one can blame them. The real culprits are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and some of their immediate subordiants.
Let's not take this detour: the central issue of all this is whether the U.S. government used torture on its prisoners. We want to know what was approved by Bush and or Cheney! Making this a story of Pelosi's rememberance is a diversion.
Pelosi. I guess when you don't have the truth to depend on, just start making stuff up.
Pelosi is dumber than a bag of hammers. Every time I have seen her, she comes off as evasive, coy, condescending, even patronizing, and certainly not truthful.
I'd like to see Pelosi testify under oath to congress.  That's how they convict everyone.  Come on Nancy, If you're serious testify under oath!!
Pucker up MSNBC.  We know where your lips will be if Pelosi bends over and asks for your loving.
Isn't she Octomoms real mother?
oh by the way she's third in line for the presidency
She is a two-faced politician, not unlike most others. For her to make the claims and counter-claims reagrding this topic alone speak volumes of her character and integrity, which seem to have afflicted both parties. This is merely a microcosm of DC, a landscape which caters to and is controlled by special interests. The average American has no friends or allies in the capitol city.


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