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First thoughts: Showdown over security

Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:12 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd and Mark Murray
*** Showdown over security: Last year was the first presidential contest since 1952 when a sitting president or vice president wasn’t on the ballot. But what if Dick Cheney had run to succeed the term-limited Bush? That’s a question New York Times columnist Ross Douthat raised last month, arguing that Cheney as the GOP nominee would have been good for the Republican Party, in general, because he would have been a more down-the-line conservative -- giving the right a look at how the campaign would have turned out in that case. Douthat also said that Cheney as the nominee would have been good for the country, because it would have settled the debate once and for all over the Bush administration’s interrogation practices; McCain, of course, opposed them. Alas, we never got that Obama-Cheney presidential race. But we get the next-best thing today: a debate between the two over torture and security policies. Obama speaks at 10:10 am ET from the National Archives, home to the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence. And then about 30 minutes later at the American Enterprise Institute, a neoconservative think tank, Cheney delivers a competing speech to defend the Bush administration’s interrogation practices and policies toward terrorist suspects in general.

Video: President Obama and former Vice President Dick Cheney are set to give competing speeches on national security and the president’s plan to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center. NBC’s Chuck Todd reports.

*** Previewing Obama’s speech: According to an administration official, Obama’s speech will stress that keeping Americans safe is his paramount responsibility (“That is what the president thinks about every morning when he wakes up and every night when he goes to sleep”); that the previous administration’s policies weren’t effective or sustainable and “failed to trust in our institutions, and … failed to use our values as a compass”; that enhanced interrogation techniques aren’t effective and undermine the rule of law; and that the prison at Guantanamo Bay has weakened U.S. security (“For over seven years, we have detained hundreds of people at Guantanamo. During that time, the system of Military Commissions at Guantanamo succeeded in convicting only three suspected terrorists,” the official says.) As for what Obama plans to do with the Gitmo detainees, the official explains: 1) when feasible, try those who have violated U.S. laws in federal courts, 2) when necessary, try those violate the rule of war through military commissions, and 3) when possible, transfer detainees who can be transferred to third countries. One issue you should NOT expect the president to mention: Nancy Pelosi.

*** Previewing Cheney’s speech: Meanwhile, Politico’s Mike Allen gets a heads-up of what Cheney will say. The gist: “When President Obama makes wise decisions, he deserves our support. And when he mischaracterizes the national security decisions we made in the Bush years, he deserves an answer. The point is not to look backward. But a truthful telling of history is necessary to inform our choices going forward.” Allen also notes that Cheney will defend the effectiveness of Gitmo and enhanced interrogation techniques. Finally, Cheney will “say the American people deserve to see the whole picture as they assess the policies of the past -- not just half the story.”  We've also gotten a heads-up on what the former VP will say. It's our understanding that among the praise Cheney will dish out will be the administration's decision to rescind releasing those military prison abuse photos. For his part, Cheney believes his role is helping keep the Obama administration from capitulating to the left on these national security issues, which he believes is its natural instinct. Cheney also will continue to make the case that the prosecution of the war on terror should be kept out of the hands of law enforcement and should stay in the hands of the military.

*** Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear: The hoopla over today’s dueling speeches on national security, however, is a bit ironic. As Jack Goldsmith, who served as Bush’s assistant attorney general, writes in the New Republic, many of Obama’s recent decisions on national security are much closer to the late Bush practices than many expected. Goldsmith offers a few reasons why the practices are similar: 1) that the Bush policies “were woven into the fabric of the national security architecture” in ways that are difficult to unravel; 2) that Bush’s policies reflected longstanding decisions on some executive powers; and 3) that governing is much harder than campaigning, especially when it comes to protecting the country. All that said, Goldsmith explains that the biggest difference between the Bush and Obama as it relates to terrorism is packaging. “The Bush administration shot itself in the foot time and time again … by indifference to process and presentation. The Obama administration, by contrast, is intensely focused on these issues.” He adds that the biggest mistake Bush and Cheney made: going public with their belief that executive power should be expanded. 

*** The context: Today’s Obama and Cheney speeches come amidst some new national security developments. First, per NBC’s Pete Williams, Obama administration officials say they’ve decided on the first Guantanamo Bay detainee, Ahmed Ghailani, who will be brought to the U.S. to stand trial on terrorism charges. Ghailani is under indictment for his role in the Africa embassy bombings in 1998, and federal prosecutors would put him on trial in New York. Williams says that makes sense, because other defendants in the embassy bombings were tried and convicted there. Second, NBC’s Williams also reports that federal and local authorities said last night they've defeated a plot to attack several targets in the New York City area, including synagogues. They say it was the plan of four men who have long been under investigation. Third, the New York Times gets its hands on an unreleased Pentagon report concluding that “one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has returned to terrorism or militant activity.”

Video: Under questioning on Capitol Hill, FBI Director Robert Mueller sides with Republican critics of the Obama administration concerned that terror detainees will end up on U.S. soil. NBC's Pete Williams reports.

*** Republicans making hay out of Gitmo: In recent days, the controversy over the prison at Guantanamo Bay has proven to be perhaps the most frustrating issue for the young Obama administration. And for that, the Obama folks can thank congressional Republicans, who have made considerable political hay out of this. As the AP puts it, Republicans “have searched mightily for a good political issue this year as their traditional three Gs — gays, guns and God — have lost some steam. Now a fourth G — Guantanamo Bay — is handing them big boost, forcing President Barack Obama on the defensive.” Yet NBC’s Ken Strickland points out that the debate over where to put Gitmo detainees is a question that shows fractures inside both the Democratic and Republican caucuses. Some Republicans (like Mitch McConnell) don’t want to close Gitmo at all, arguing that it’s a safe and secure prison. But some Republicans (like John McCain) and most Democrats want to close Gitmo but see an Obama plan first. There are other Democrats (like Harry Reid) who want to close Gitmo but ensure that the detainees don’t come to the U.S. And then there are Democrats (like Dianne Feinstein) who want to close Gitmo and think detainees can be housed in U.S.-based prisons.

Video: MSNBC’s Ed Schultz joins the Morning Joe gang to discuss President Obama’s campaign promises, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's charge that she was misled about the use of waterboarding, and the future of the Guantanamo Bay prison.

*** Don’t miss this…: Very quietly yesterday, the Obama administration did something the previous Bush administration could never do: issue a memo to all federal agencies to be mindful of states rights. That's right -- Obama's administration issues a pro-states rights memo. Believe it or not, according to NBC's Pete Williams, the Bush 43 administration never put out a basic guiding memo to federal agencies on how to handle state regulations when they potentially conflict with federal regulations. Williams says that Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton also issued a memo like this, but Bush 43 never did. The wording of this memo may seem contradictory to those on the right who want to believe that the Obama administration wants to concentrate MORE power with the federal government. And for those who love irony, keep reading...

*** Pot meet kettle: Yesterday afternoon, the Republican National Committee -- avoiding embarrassment -- watered down its resolution renaming the Democratic Party the “Democrat-Socialist Party,” and instead passed a resolution saying that the Democrats are “dedicated to restructuring American society along socialist ideals.” RNC Chairman Michael Steele then released this statement: "The Republican Party strongly believes that a government which spends without restraint, incurs record amounts of debt, owns banks and makes cars is not the right kind of 'change' America needs.” But here’s the problem for Steele and the GOP, and here’s why Steele was a bit premature saying the party no longer needs to look back: Steele’s sentence -- sans the line about the cars -- could also apply to George W. Bush’s presidency.

*** Courting Wood: The buzz about Diane Wood for the open SCOTUS slot reached a bit of a fever pitch yesterday, as it's clear from multiple sources and reports she sat down with Obama in a one-on-one interview for the job. Perhaps the only thing keeping the president from having already named Wood: her age, 58. Many on the left would like to see the president nominate someone to the courts who’s a bit younger, a la John Roberts.

*** Meet Johnnie Rawlinson: Our latest profile of Obama’s potential SCOTUS picks is Johnnie Rawlinson, 56, who currently sits on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, nominated to the position by Bill Clinton in 2000…. As a black female, she checks the boxes of what Obama might be looking for (either a woman or a minority)… Was Harry Reid’s choice -- though second choice -- as a federal district judge in 1997, and has known Reid since he was on the Nevada Gaming Commission from 1977-1981… Has said this about race relations: “I can say truthfully, race relations have improved a thousand fold in the U.S. However, when I'm outside this building, people are taken aback that I'm a judge who's African-American. I think that's a testament to the fact that it has not become commonplace and evidence of the work we need to do, so that there is no surprise when there's an African-American judge, or a judge of any other ethnicity or a judge who's in a wheelchair."… Before being selected to the bench, worked in Clark County’s (NV) DA office… Earned law degree from University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law (1979)… Earned undergraduate degree from North Carolina A&T State University (1974).

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Comments

How fast we forget that in the last 6 months of Bushs presidency he moved closer to what Obama was saying on national security.
Douthat is an idiot of the biggest dimensions if he thinks that War Criminal Cheney would have been a better candidate than the more moderate McCain.  President Obama would have wiped the floor with Marquis de Sade Cheney as the titular figure head of the repugnant ones.  Nope even more real "Americans would have voted for Obama to ensure that the torture creep was sent packing.

I'd love to see President Obama expand his presidential powers just to hear the repugnant ones flip flop on their insistence on their flawed failed unitary excutive garbage that allowed Tyrant Bush to think he was above the law.  Obama has learned that being in the White House is harder than getting in, but he's been too easily fooled by the creeps in power that keep insisting that he must follow Tyrant Bush's lead.  He's got to realize that we the people did not elect him to further the bushwhacker's illegal immoral legacy.

Hey how about Dianne Feinstein just saying that CA could house some terrorists here.  Along with Hardin Montana, which has an empty brand new prison, we'll see brave Americans stand up to the call to host terrorists in our prisons.  Oh and now Obama will be trying a terrorist here in federal court, better grab your guns and go hide under your beds limpwristed conservative crybabies.

In Obama We Trust!
Go Lakers!
Suburban Mom: "Somebody tell Chuck Todd to go sniff out a real story."
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Olbmermann's report that there was a very suspicious anachronism in the CIA's supposedly "contemporaneous" briefing report is a real story that needs to be followed up. (The term "enhanced interrogation technique" was in the briefing report, but Olbermann said that term wasn't used until four years after Pelosi's Sept. 2002 briefing.) That leaves open the question of whether the report was prepared in the last few weeks in order to contradict Pelosi AFTER said she hadn't been told waterboarding was being used back in 2002.

Unfortunately, most of the media don't do investigative journalism anymore. The journalists are mainly just political gossip columnists nowadays.
Dick Cheney thinks that because he talked Americans into starting a war - he can continue to talk U.S. into not putting his ass in jail.

Not this time - the only people that don't want you behind bars and will be listening to your BS will be the 10 -17 % of the people you made rich off of the blood, sweat, pain and death of our American service men and women and for that - we will never forgive you or forget what you have done.

Talk and explained all you want - incriminate yourself and appease the media and your neo-con friends with your rhetoric - because no true, real patriotic American - really give a "f".about what a coward and a traitor like you have to say.

By the way how many of your 9 lives to you have left; just curious..

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
Cheney should be in prison for war crimes, much less given a forum to spout more venom. Prosecuting OUR war criminals is the best way to diminish terrorism.
Pat:  Have a safe trip to Normandy. I look forward to reading your comments when you return.  
Ron
My hunch has been answered,you guy's at fr are high on something.Dick Cheney has a approval of 17%, now to republicans that may seem like a good number, but stat boy Chuck should know that 17 % ain't going to win you many elections.Cheney and his boggie man scare tactics seemed to scare more then a few panty waist Democrats,on the gitmo vote,verrrrrrrry disappointed,you gave Cheney what he wants,a platform to spew from,you nilly knees just showed how bad you want to keep your gravy train seat.The torture center at gitmo has fueled the hate being waged against us,it pissed a few of our allies off also.But to let Cheney come out weekly and spin the MSM in circles with his big words,his fear and smear tactic has been a republican calling card for 50 years,why does MSM just suck up what he says and acts like it's some how the truth.But I guess after 8 years of being led by the rind in your noses,it becomes a challange when allowed to walk by yourselfs.Is anyone shocked that Little GW didn't send out e=mails to all the federal agencys.The guy was a just a tad to busy cutting brush to bother with any memos.Or running the country ,he had Dead Eye Dick at the trigger.To all of my retired republican follow americans,please return all social security checks at once,return so it can be used on real Americans.You un-employed repubs same thing,you don't need no damn government giving someone in need ,a helping hand.Same to all those farmers who rape us with there paid to not farm program,buy some land get a check,send those checks back so we can give the help to people that are not millionairs.And for goodness sake stop calling the police when you have a issue,or the crib is on fire,stop being so weak, put the fire out yourself,catch the crooks yourselfs.And the next cane that blows thru,build a arc,grab the wife and the dog and float around until the water dries up.
I'm so laughing that blowhard Lush Limburger is crying for MSNBC tv to stop attacking him because he's a wimp with hurt feelings
------------------------------------------------------As usual, Keith Olbermann doesn't get it.  Limbaugh challenged MSNBC to quit talking about him and actually talk about lawmakers.  They seem to forget he hosts a radio show for entertainment.   But that bozo can't go even one show without mentioning him.
 I sincerely doubt Rush Limbaugh cares one whit about what someone like Olbermann thinks of him.
Showdown over security:
This is rich. Cheney to have a showdown with the President over national security? I will be watching this comedy tour. He has been quite vocal lately over polices that "he" put in place to terrorize this nation in his continued efforts to envoke fear. The far right party of the republicans will use anyone and anything at this point, they are desperate.

Republicans making hay out of Gitmo:
The division amongst the Democrats around the closure of Gitmo is most disapointing. I am reserving my opinion until more details are relseaed regarding this issue. The last administration that got us into this mess has left this country in a dangerous situation. My instints warn me that that there is more to this than meets the eye.

Pot meet kettle:
These clowns need to take their butts some place and sit down. They will do anything to stay in the media. Imagine... the talikng points of spending, debts and cars. didn't Bush and Poulson nationalize the banks when they forced banks to take our tax dollars? after all they invented this mess and we are sitting in it.
Why are Republicans so afraid of everything?

Yes, its a dangerous world. Always has been and always will be. It takes courage to be an American.
Any time there's ignorance being spouted, Bad Chihuahua will be there  - MSierra


And any time there's a Huffington Post article to cut and paste, MSierra will be there.
Commodores - Too hot ta trot 1977..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ8A1QOAQ68
1977 a flat year in the economy too..no down
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Exactly how many elections is Barack Obama required to win before he is treated as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??

I'm 64 years old, and I've never, absolutely NEVER seen the media treat any US President as they are treating President Obama.

His every word, gesture and belch is constantly weighed, analyzed, and reanalyzed. Then any opposition to those words, gestures and belches is given full, and almost instantaneous full media coverage.

It is pass time, this country treat our new president as a PRESIDENT.

Afterall, he wasn't appointed by the Supreme Court, he was elected.



And
Please don't ban the Chihuahua.  Just throw him some snausages.


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