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Sotomayor's '78 discrimination complaint

Posted: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:51 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Pete Williams
When Sonia Sotomayor was in her final year at Yale law school, she pulled a gutsy move by filing a complaint against a law firm that was interviewing her for a job. She forfeited any chance of working at that firm, but ended up getting an apology.

After a Yale student-faculty hearing determined that one of the firm's lawyers asked her discriminatory questions, the firm said his actions were "insensitive and regrettable."

All of this arose after a dinner in October 1978 at which the lawyer met with Sotomayor and other Yale students. The tribunal concluded that he asked her, "Do law firms do a disservice by hiring minority students who the firms know do not have the necessary credentials and will then fire in three to four years?"

It also found that he asked if Sotomayor would have been admitted to the law school if she were not Puerto Rican, and whether she was "culturally deprived."

The day after the dinner, Sotomayor challenged the lawyer at her formal job interview. According to news accounts at the time, he said he didn't mean any harm and invited her to the firm's headquarters for another interview. Instead, she filed a formal complaint.

The issue galvanized the Yale campus. The student-faculty tribunal refused to accept the firm's first letter of apology, deeming it insufficient. The second letter was accepted, and the firm was allowed to continue recruiting at Yale.

The firm was then known as Shaw, Pittman, Potts & Trowbridge. It recently merged and is now Pillsbury, Winthrop, Shaw, Pittman.

The incident was the subject of a report on Dec. 16, 1978 in the Washington Post and was brought back to light today by the Los Angeles Times.

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I believe this just UNDERSCORED the point (and only post) I made yesterday!

Way to stand up for yourself, Ms. Sotomayor!

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and to further incent Peter Percival and the guy down in Texas, yesterday:

“…Clara Kansas City Mo: I did read yesterday’s comments and I especially enjoyed your.  You have a very disciplined mind…like that of a lawyer.”  Ron Indiana (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 9:35 AM)
Thank you for the shout out.  I am not a lawyer, although I did take the LSAT – years ago.  I stayed in business, there’s just something about glass ceilings that I seem to find SO compelling – HA (and mirrors even more so - tee hee)!  I enjoy your posts, as well.
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Tired Of Double Standard PC Democrats (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 12:11 PM)

Wow, reverse discrimination pity party (of one), your table is ready.  I have been viewing many of the photos from various Ivy League graduations and STUNNINGLY - outwardly appearing minorities are still fractionally represented.  Apparently SOME whites manage to excel and gain acceptance, I guess those are all 'legacy' enrollments?  Perhaps you could have worked a little harder?  By the way, where are those boot straps?
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Matthew, Houston, TX (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 10:17 AM)

I’m happily married, but charmed none the less.  Story of my life, my husband prefers redheads, too.  I was able to convert him, though; apparently blond is his second favorite.  PS.  While we are confessing, I have a secret crush on Richard, Washington State – It must be a ‘prison’ thing-apparently, opposites really DO attract.  And Mark, Seattle is my super-hero, he doesn’t hang out as often as he used to; but his election night story still makes me misty eyed.  I miss you, Mark.
I'll use a move all you lefties have been using today. The mans' words were taken out of context. If not, who cares? More victicrat crying from one more member of the protected grievance groups.
how about some coverage of senator carl levin announcing that dick cheney has been lying to us for six years about enhanced interrogation's effectiveness?
Yawn...FR is turning into nothing more than a churlish repeater of worthless information pretending to be news of merit. Obama made an unscheduled stop for a burger...better get some breathless pronouncements from the right to post
Feisty:
Boy it surprises me at the number of Reppers that are out here in defense of Rushes leadership skills. LOL
Anita, Birmingham, alabama (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 1:28 PM)
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True that… It’s easy to be a racist when you can hide behind a keyboard!  And the upside is it saves on laundry too… not so many white sheets to wash!

Got the end of the Patsy B rant on Andreas show earlier – these guys are SO PROUD of the hate they spew they’re not even trying to deny it any more!

I so love my President… he once again proved he’s always at least 3 steps ahead of these clowns!  My personal belief is not only is Sotomeyer qualified (and will be seated) but our President has forced the race issue out in the open again – and the white horny OLD men are still stuck in 1965!  They LOST then and they’re about to lose again BIG TIME! And

I hope that by doing this we as country can put RACE to rest once and for all!
Ugh...here we go again...did she get into law school at Yale only because of her minority status?  Well, how can we answer that question when we don't know her undergrad grades from Princeton and class rank, her LSAT scores, her writing sample to the law school, what she said during her law school application interview, and where she stood in relation to the other applicants.
Now that is a gutsy and principled move! I am guessing the vast majority of minorities that encounter similar situations just keep their head down and move on because they probably a) fear they will be blacklisted and b)  figure they may still have a chance at the job but that chance goes to zero if the formally complain.

I admire her principles and her bold move to do the right thing, rather than the easy thing.
Alright now...you republicans explain this s*** off.

From another thread:

Cjake:
I'm feeling you on this...I too understand know and that is way I am so passionate about the tone of the language I am reading out here. But understand something Cjake; this is what the Republican Party has represented and condoned for years.

Just check out the language. And now all of a sudden they want to make an about face when it didn't have to even get started. They mean every single word of what they've said. Now they must deal with the consequences of their actions.

You must also remember that it was Newt's nasty readership in the past that bought about the million man march; a zebra doesn't change its stripes.

JUST becuse he's black, he's no our pres... ONLY his race got him in.  Affirmitive action at it's worse.  Now we have this gal... F'n wake up America!  Stop being so GD politically correct!
Sadden American (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 2:33 PM)
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What the hell's going on today? Put the damn bottle down man!

This one's just fallen and smacked his little head too! Damn keep it up and we may as well wait to certify them all at one time for the booby hatch.

What is a "gal" you ingnorant bigot. I don't usually like to use that word and I am apologizing to those that take offense to it. I don't know what wooden God you serve (no doubt Rush) but I suggest you go back and get further instructions.

I wouldn't use that word in public if I were you.
Sotomayor FTW!!! As a man from Brooklyn this is the kind of fire I want to see in a Supreme Court justice. You don't take that crap from anybody. She could have been a good little latina and sucked it up, cause that's just the way the world is sugar, but hells no is what the sister said. That woman is perfect for the court and our country!
Richard you are more intelligent than that, did you not understand the context of the speech those words were lifted from. Don't let us down.
Cjake (Sent Friday, May 29, 2009 1:51 PM)
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Uh Oh… dude… your in for it now… how long...3…2…1… before he starts calling you condescending!  Good Luck with that! Once thing about Dick… he sure is full of himself!
John Harwood's affirmative action question to David Axelrod was extremely offensive.  Norah O'Donnel is better without him.
My take-away from this story is Judge Sotomayor is just exactly what the Supreme Court needs.  Oftentimes, crusty old conservatives who are used to being in control are very threatened by strong women.  She was correct to file a formal complaint and it appears that those who heard her complaint agreed with her.  

Conservatives do not get it.  They lost the election. They are losing (badly) the cultural diversity war.
Eeeeeek! She complained! She must a a reverse racist activist affirmative aciton libral(GOP spelling). After all the only way for a Puerto Rican to be admitted to Yale, must be to steal the position from a more qualified white man.
Good for Judge Sotomayer.  Gutsy move for a person that age!
It must be very sad to Judge Sotomayor that all these years later, she is still being asked to "prove" that she is qualified, as if her accomplishments are not enough on their own.

I admire her courage and determination, then and now.
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From previous post:

Nashville_Fan:

An afterthought:

Would you agree that a white male with equal qualifications could be as free of myopia as Judge Sotomayor appears to be?

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”But in this nomination, race and gender issues were initiated by the president and the nominee themselves.  Obviously, their actions have generated a great deal of response. But let's not forget who initiated it. “

-  Richard, Washington State
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Richard,

I agree that a white male could be as free of myopia as Judge Sotomayor aspires to be, and I think that is the very point that she herself made.

However, I disagree that the President made Judge Sotomayor’s ethnicity and gender the focus of  this selection.

For that honor, you would have to look to the corporate news media, who relishes putting us all in neatly labeled groups that they can pitted against one another to gin up the “nontroverseys” they so desperately need to generate interest in the absence of actual “reporting”.

Remember all those reports during the Presidential campaign?

Is Obama too black, not black enough, half white, too “presumptuos”?

Will “hardworking” white people vote for him?

If people didn’t vote for him, are they a racist?

Are black people voting for him just because he’s black?

Did Oprah and Colin Powell endorse him just because they are black?

You get the idea – the media provides the matches and the lighter fluid – and then pretend to be SHOCKED that a fire broke out.

Newt and Rush are just the dependable pyrromaniacs to do the actual deed. (Hope I spelled that right!)

Ok already!  I think First Read posters have beat this racist-or-not-racist issue to death.  Let the confirmation folks do their job and get it over with.

Now how about all those jobs Obama promised?

And what's up with Obama's kowtowing to dictators and throwing our Jewish friends under the bus?

What about all these upcoming taxes on all of us and not just those earning over $250K??

Why is Obama decreaing our missle defense at a time when we need it the most?
"Gutsy moves" are what got Sonia Sotomayor out of the Bronx projects all the way to where she is today.  It is this kind of real life experience that I think President Obama was looking for in a SC nominee.  She's scrappy, can stand her ground and is not to be taken lightly.  

That lawyer might not have meant any harm ("culturally deprived," indeed) but it is that kind of discrimination that women, and particularly women of color, have had to endure for generations.  

Her gutsy move in 1978 ensures that Shaw, Pittman, Potts & Trowbridge now known as Pillsbury, Winthrop, Shaw, Pittman is once again, 31 years later, publicly embarrassed for its blatant discrimination.  Evil deeds do come back to haunt, do they not?  

Good for you, Sonia Sotomayor!
I think it's rather funny that Fox News has a report that Sotomayor "criticized Princeton for description" but conveniently left out the entire story about the interview questions, etc.  They just made it out as if she were a disgruntled minority.   Yeesh
Una catastrofe Sotomayor!

Not even out of school yet and filing race-based lawsuits. Viva Puerto Rico!
Good for her and her fellow students for being unafraid to challenge prejudice.  Sounds like what we're hearing from the right-wing talksters today.  You would think in 30 years, they would find another approach to degrade a person.  Can't believe Limbaugh and Tancredo.  If Tancredo thinks he'll gain support for 2012, he's living in an alternate universe.  Limbaugh is just a bag of hot air anyway; some time I wish someone sue him for libel.

Reminds me of a couple interviews I went on in the early 70's only I'm white so what I encountered could not compare to the experience of a minority.
Sonia Sotomayor is an EXCELLENT example of Affirmative Action

The result of her admission Princeton was a summa cum laude graduate who became a Supreme Court nominee

How many of you graduated summa cum laude ?
How many of you graduated from Princeton ??

It SUCKS to be a Conservative neocon !!
Poor little Dittoheads feeling inadequate, are we ?
You have to try and tear down someone intellectually superior to you

anybody notice that the winner of the national spelling bee was female Asian American ??

NOT a white male !!
DISCRIMINATION !!!
REVERSE RACISM !!!
When our daughter, (who graduated in the top ten of her class, and interned at The Harvard School of Community Health), interviewed for West Virginia's Medical School, she wasn't asked one academic question relating to science, etc.

She was asked about her career in softball, her parents, and our religion. The whole tone, and tenor of the questioning bothered her. Afterward, she was immediately invited to enter WVU's School Of Medicine.

However, she later learned that her White classmates who had interviewed with WVU, were grilled during the interviewing process on matters of math, and science to the point of sweats.

Our daughter had applied to quite a few schools, and WVU was the first to accept her, but she turned them down. She made it clear that she wanted to compete for placement, and was offended at their condescending treatment of her.

During The Honors Ceremony for her graduating class, she was honored for having broken the University's record for acceptances into more Medical Schools than any other graduate in the college's history.

Pat Buchanan, and his ilk, just will not accept that non-whites can compete, and have the same per capita desire to compete on their own merit as whites.

Yes their are the Clarence Thomases, but you have the Harriet Meyeres as well!  
So Judge Santomayor is a smart gutsy lady who has never taken any s**t. She will be a good counterbalance to Scalia!
After a Yale student-faculty hearing determined that one of the firm's lawyers asked her discriminatory questions, the firm said his actions were "insensitive and regrettable."
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This is another thing that the disgraceful hit piece written by AP's Sharon Theimer on MSNBC's home page didn't bother to mention. Theimer basically implied that Sotomayor had it coming because she had previously expressed pride in her Hispanic heritage. As if she shouldn't have been offended to be asked if shetgot into school based on their ethnicity.

As always, the AP is pandering to the lunatic fringe of the far right and giving them a false narrative that will make them feel that their racial resentment of minorities is justified.

BTW: Why does MSNBC refer to these hit pieces as "analysis"? There's nothing analytical about leaving out key facts in order to distort reality
This is beautiful!!

Now Newt, Rush and the other bigots out there can get a feel for why Judge Sotomayor might have a little chip on her shoulders. Mr guess is her white, male classmates expected her to fail because she was a latina!

Make no mistake about it there are still bigots out there who root for minorities to fail and complain vociferously when there is even an appearance that they may be getting preferential treatment.

Racism is still alive and well although it has taken a beating in recent years because there are more fair-minded people of all stripes who are willing to embrace the concept of equality for all.

Good for her.  Hurrah!  I went to law school during that time in Columbus, OH.  I would be rich if I had been paid for each and every stupid, insensitive, and discriminatory comment made to me during that time. I was not a member of a racial or ethnic minority, but I was a female in my late thirties, a mother, Catholic, and poor. The comments weren't always made by mature male professionals from big firms. I also caught remarks from other students and professors, female included (usually because of my children).  The self assurance I sometimes lacked and the things I did not have and places I could not go because of a lack of money and because I did not come from the upper middle class or better were especially hard to take.  Some of the remarks that are being made about Sonia Sotomayor are very insulting, and I
take offense on her account.  This brings a lot back.  I had hoped that we, as a country, had become smarter and had gone beyond this.
God, flash back to the 70's.  Yeah, being a woman during that time was hard enough, being a minority had to really suck.  I remember being told that even though I worked harder, had been there longer and was a more reliable worker, I wasn't getting paid as much as a newly hired male counterpoint "because he will have to support a family".  Now, that this guy was gay and everyone including my supervisor knew that made no difference, they simply paid men more than women for the same work.
Answer this. Why do conservative leaning poster never mention Rush Limbaugh, but liberals mention him every other post? Conservatives look ar Limbaugh for what he is, a radio host. But liberals place him on a pedestal. I'm a conservative (not republican), and I can't remember the last time I listened to his show. More and more I'm starting to think that liberals are a huge part of his audience. Liberals certainly inform me of everything he say before I hear it from anyone else. Maybe liberal posters can take the same challenge that was issued to Olberman. Try to go one month without mentioning his hame in a post. Conservative can easily take that challenge because no conservatives every bring him up or do only because liberals seem to make him so prominent every day.
Paul, do you read the newspapers or the internet news here. The Judge was first in her class at Princeton and on law review at Yale. Please check out your information before you do a Friday ditto head question.


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