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Gitmo remains problematic for Obama

Posted: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:13 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Ken Strickland
After being soundly rejected in its request for money to close the Gitmo prison, the Obama administration is back on Capitol Hill to give it another try. And so far, it's not going very well, according to sources.

Video: MSNBC’s Richard Wolffe discusses the Senate's vote against Obama's request for money he would need to close the U.S. Detention Center at Guantanamo Bay.

Later yesterday afternoon, three senior administration officials from the National Security Council and the Justice Department made their case to a hastily called closed meeting of Senate Democrats. More administration officials are expected up here again today.

The exact details of how much money or what authority the administration seeks is unclear. But here's what I've been able to piece together: The emergency war-funding bill (a.k.a., "the supplemental") that's moving its way through Congress strictly prohibits ANY money from being used to bring GITMO detainees into the United States. That not only prohibits money given in the supplemental, but prohibits any other money already given to the administration from being transferred for the purpose of moving detainees.

The problem for the administration is that it appears it would like to move -- but not release -- some detainees to the U.S. for trial, either in federal courts or military commissions. But if Congress passes the war-funding bill, they would be prohibited from even doing that.

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It's a problem because the smooth "close Gitmo" rhetoric which juiced up Bush-hating leftists in the election isn't translating to easy practical doings now that Obama is president and has to actually listen to military leaders, CIA, and FBI heads and get Congressional representatives (who are accountable to their voters)on board.
"In June 2005, the United States Department of Defense announced that a unit of defense contractor Halliburton would build a new $1 billion USD detention facility and security perimeter around the base."   http://en.wikipedia.org/Guantanamo

Cheney/Bush are up to their off-shore accounts in this torture chamber....and Congress is complicit is keeping it open.

It's all about the money! On both ends of the debate!


CLOSE GITMO!
It would be a problem for any administration----thanks to the former dunce in chief and his administration.  They created the mess, they failed to follow the law, they held people with little or no evidence.  Now what do you do with the people?  The gift that truly keeps on giving from the former dunce in chief!
From NBC's Ken Strickland
After being sounded rejected in its request for money to close the Gitmo prison, the Obama administration is back on Capitol Hill to give it another try. And so far, it's not going very well, according to sources.

Watch my strokes....Democrats that are chicken asses and refuse to get this done...will not br re-elcted...simple and fact..We gave you the authority in November, screw it up if you will...but don't look to go back. Grow some backbone and do your damn jobs!
Sure, GITMO's problematic, and have always been so. However, it is even more problematic if fear runs amuck and logic is thrown out the window. Gitmo is unsustanable and something will have to be done with the detainees, and surprise, at taxpayer expense.

The Repubs don't like the WH plans for Gitmo, but they don't have an alternative, either. The Lou Dobbs method of complain about everything, but offer no solutions about anything just doesn't cut it.
If you cut to the core. Obama's detention policy is the same as Bush's.

And to those progressives who argue that we have many hard-core criminals in our prisons without any escaping. It is not about whether or not they escape, it is about them getting off on a technicallity.
Ed,

I would NOT be providing links to Wikipedia. You should be able to find a better source than that.
President Obama has got to get tough with those who are faltering about closing Gitmo ASAP.  Gitmo has been a stain on our national honor, just like Marquis de Sade Cheney's torture club.  We are not safer just because we stash terrorists in Cuba, we have shown how cowardly we are.  We have held terrorists in our super max prisons here in the US and we even held many Nazi POW's here without incident.  Time for Americans to man up and show we are not intimidated by terrorists, like George the Chickenhearted said but never proved personally.

Close Gitmo Now!
Go Lakers!
Ed, San Antonio (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:27 PM)

Cheney/Bush are up to their off-shore accounts in this torture chamber....and Congress is complicit is keeping it open.

It's all about the money! On both ends of the debate!
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Now we know  why heartless, greedy, Cheney is out front with his fear tactics, apart from trying to influence his potentional jury pool.
 
Another closed-door, Democrat-only meeting.  How bipartisan.  That's real unity for ya.  So much for campaign rhetoric and broken promises.
Sorry - I just don't get it.  If the detainees will still be detained and not released, why do they have to be moved?  Let's save $80M and keep them where they are.  
Campaign does not equal reality (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:22 PM)
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No the problem is people like you who would rather stand in the way of progress instead of helping it along. People who just want their side to win regardless of whether that side is right.
Ed, San Antonio (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:27 PM)
Couldn't agree with you more Ed.
Looks like the public and congress have fallen under the spell of the draft dodging republican's fear mongering. I believe these 260 "terrorists' are a bunch of pansies compared to the average convict in any states maximum security prison.If in doubt watch an episode of 'lockup'I nominate Angola state penitentiary in Louisiana as their destination which will make Gitmo seem like a Country Club
God Help US - Obama Won't!:
Help yourself and Obama won't have to.
My guess is that Gitmo makes Obama just furious. Obama is not used to people telling him no, and he's pretty vengeful. But after re-thinking the issue, Americans are just fine with having the terrorists stay down on that god-foresaken rock. Obama will hate the day he started releasing documents that put the Bush administration is a bad light on Gitmo. That's when Cheney went on the offenseive and cleaned Obama's clock.

Leave Gitom the way it is Obama. It's the right thing to do.
Gitmo is a state of the art prison where detainees have it made, as prisons go.

They have all the amenities of home. Good food, drinks, exercise room, TV, health and dental care. And they probably know each other from earlier times.

Put any one of them in a U.S. prison and they are targets so they would have to be in solitary.

Closing Gitmo is a problem in name only. Change it to the Bayshore Detainee Camp and Recreational Spa.
Problem solved.
The problems of Gitmo are not that of the administration, which is trying to close them in a responsible way. This costs money and requires altering the legal location of current prisioners. Congress says no. In my opinion, on this issue there are no differences between the parties and as such, goodbye money for the Dems - a position for which I am currently lobbying. They want to regain their backbone, money returns, if not, it doesn't.
It's a problem because the smooth "close Gitmo" rhetoric which juiced up Bush-hating leftists in the election isn't translating to easy practical doings now that Obama is president and has to actually listen to military leaders, CIA, and FBI heads and get Congressional representatives (who are accountable to their voters)on board.
Campaign does not equal reality
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At least he is listening to them - not like the other president who like to shoot from the hip.
How can you expect other nations to take detainees if we do not.

This makes no sense. Just some more politiken!

We have more mass murderers in prison than not covered with gang tatoos, and god knows what else.

Don't forget we would not even be in this mess if it was not for BUSH & Cheney and their LIES! GITMO NEEDS TO GO!
The Rupubs have no plan for GITMO?

Yes they do:  keep it open!

The detainees' respective countries don't want these people back.  We can't set them loose.  And if we transfer the detainees to our own US prisons, they'll be murdered by the current prisoners within a week!

GITMO is a fully functional, highly efficient, highly controlled and humane facility.
>>>And to those progressives who argue that we have many hard-core criminals in our prisons without any escaping. It is not about whether or not they escape, it is about them getting off on a technicallity.
WTF (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:30 PM)
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If Cheney/Bush had charged them, tried them, and found them guilty according to international law, there would be no technicality.  Why do you think they let so many of them go already during the latter half of the administration?

Try them and let the chips fall where they may.  If you don't like it, next time stand up for your Constitution instead of letting yourselves be led around like sheep by power hungry politicians like Cheney/Bush.

http://jawillie.blog.com
Campaign does not equal reality (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:22 PM)
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All the top military leaders want Gitmo closed for the safety of our troops. The question is ... why don't you want our troops safe?

Let's save $80M and keep them where they are.   Doesn't Make Sense (Sent Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:37 PM)
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And who pays for keeping them there indefinitely, receiving better health care than we do?  Here's a hint, take a look in the mirror.

http://jawillie.blog.com


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