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Obama, GOP clash over the stimulus

Posted: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:58 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
In remarks he made before his cabinet meeting today, President Obama acknowledged that the U.S. economy has improved, but also noted that it's still "got a long way to go." And after the unemployment rate increased to 9.4% in May, he pledged that his economic stimulus would end up saving or creating 600,000 jobs in the next 100 days.

Video: President Obama is back in the White House after a high-profile overseas trip. As NBC's John Yang reports, healthcare, the economy, and high unemployment numbers are on his agenda for the week ahead.

More than anything else, Obama said that the most telling measure of economic progress would be if Americans are seeing progress in their own lives. "Our ultimate goal is making sure that the average family out there -- mom working, dad working -- that they are able to pay their bills, feel some job security, make their mortgage payments."

Republicans used Obama's announcement to criticize the stimulus. “Today’s announcement is an acknowledgement that the Democrats’ trillion-dollar stimulus is not working, and the American people know it," House Minority Leader John Boehner said in a statement.
"When they passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later unemployment has continued to climb and none of their rosy predictions have come true. These policies are harming middle-class families when they can least afford it, and adding to the massive debt we’re passing on to future generations."

RNC Chairman Michael Steele added, "Republicans want to work with the president to get our economy back on track, but the president seems intent on promoting and adopting some of the most liberal and reckless government intervention economic policies we have ever seen.”

But in his remarks today, Obama had this answer to his GOP critics: "Now I know that there are some who, despite all evidence to the contrary, still don't believe in the necessity and promise of this Recovery Act. And I would suggest to them that they talk to the companies who, because of this plan, scrapped the idea of laying off employees and in fact decided to hire employees. Tell that to the Americans who receive that unexpected call saying, come back to work. Tell it to the Americans poised to benefit from critical investments that this plan makes in our long-term growth and prosperity."

This is a fight that will continue over the months ahead. But while both sides are trying to score short-term points, the key question -- at least politically -- is this: What will the economy look like come 2010 or 2011?

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Keep talking Boehner. You too, Sen. McConnell, and the other GOP fossils. The more you whine and refuse to engage in an intelligent debate about how to get people their jobs back, the more Americans can see through your lame partisan rhetoric.

It's time to put ideology aside and just do what works. If the economists say government spending is what we need to create jobs now (and most agree that it is), then let's spend the money already. At least it will go to pay for something more useful than the salaries of Rethuglican legislators.

Now if only our Chinese masters will continue financing our debt, we'll be all set.
What did you do with all the money Quick Loan Funding wired to your bank account in as little as 5 days ?
"When they passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later unemployment has continued to climb and none of their rosy predictions have come true.
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NEARLY FOUR MONTHS. Wow that is a long time. Whew!!!

Boner, Cant, and Con & Steal really are falling on deaf ears.

They have done NOTHING in 8 1/2 years and they are bitching about 4 months.

AND if it had gone out faster and sloppier they would have been complaining about the ineffective government!

CAN'T  WIN WITH THESE BOZOS!!!

AND all economist and business leaders ALL KNOW THAT the economy comes back before jobs are created. That is only common sense.

AND the GOP has NONE!!


I find that the GOPers continue the same drum beat, just like they did during FDR'a first term. The President's plan IS working. There are road projects all over N. TX that were not happening before the simulus.

On my way to work I pass them each day ALONG with the police who are patroling the roads. Note that after the 1st of the year and before then sim was passed, there were NO road projects and NO police on the N. TX X-ways

Over the summer and into the fall, more and more stim projects will come online. Rememeber folks, the GOPers only have short term tactics, just like in the last campaign. The President and his team think long term.

Change is real!
Ah, happy days for leftists, for Greenpeace and for Ralph Nader- GM is finally dead! Just remember, payback is a b*tch!

As you drive off in your earth-friendly, model-airplane engine powered, foreign-built microcar, the last thing you may ever see on Earth is an old man in a fedora behind the wheel of a mint condition 1975 GM Oldsmobile Delta 88 coming around the corner. The license plate will say “KISMET”.
If you are lucky enough, you will wake up six months later in intensive care and be greeted with your new electric vehicle, a wheelchair! Or possibly you will see St. Peter who will ask you “Wouldn’t you really rather have a Buick?”
Well, since it took georgie more than 7 years to get us into this mess, along with the company of boner and mcconnell, as well as the other gop thugs, I'd say we should at least give this stimulus a year or two before we judge how well it is or isn't going.  If there was such urgencey, why in the world did georgie, mcconnell & bonner wait so long?  Cause they were getting richer by the minute, that is why.
Give it up gop - you are never going to be able to lie your way out of this one.
Crybaby boehner has to get real, President Obama did not say that the stimulus bill would provide all those millions of jobs saved or created right away.  We're seeing the benefits of the stimulus bill as job losses are slowing down now after a few months of the stimulus bill being passed with not so much of the money spent.  As more stimulus money comes into being spent we'll see further job growth and less job losses.  It would be stupid to try to spend all of the stimulus money all at once because we'd have to go hat in hand to China to cover it.  Better to dole it out slowly so we borrow slowly to pay for it.  Let's not forget what a failure Clueless George's election year tax rebate bribe of Americans was last year as the bulk of the money went out in two months and no jobs were created because the benefits disapeared as fast as the money was spent.

That idiot steele just doesn't want to be honest as the repugnant ones don't want to work with Obama, they only want to work against Obama.  They are our Fifth Column of Quislings who will sell us all out for their own benefit.

I am so laughing that Laura Bush has said publicly that Sotomayor is a great choice for SC Justice.  I'm sure that the Bouncing Blubbery Blabbermouth Bobblehead Doll will be going ballistic on her as she defies his will.

In the Stimulus We Trust!
Go Lakers!
And to think it only took you 8 years to bring the country down to where it is now!!!
'saving or creating 600,000 jobs'.

I love his reasoning.  I thought he had already 'saved' or 'created' 300,000 jobs.  Of course, it is a murky number which cannot be validated; the media gives it a free pass as if it were word from the Mount, so there is no real investigating of the laim.

So, let me see-if I go to a sale and spend $100 on marked down goods, have I saved $25, or spent $100?  what if I only THINK about going, but don't. Have i saved $100, or $125, by not buying stuff I could have bought on sale?

What about if I were a reporter, and could do an in depth piece on an administrations policy claims, but instead I do an interactive piece on 'inside the White House'?  Have I fulfilled my journalistic responsibilities?  
And just WWBBD? (what would boner Boehner do)
'SAVED JOBS" --- IS PURELY A CROCK OF CRAP.
THERE IS NO SUCH STATISTIC --- IT IS A MADE-UP NUMBER BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. ...
SINCE 'JOBS SAVED' IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LABOR DEPARTMENT STATISTIC ... HOW CAN IT BE DISPROVEN?

OBAMA LIES AND ZOMBIES SUCK IT UP ...
John Boehner was a stanch supporter of the Busheconmics...he said "yes" to all of his BS and look where it got us.

Michael Steele must be suffering from amnesia. Yea right the GOP want to work with President Obama on the economy. This is a lie and a joke. They haven't had an idea worth while since the President took office and still don't have anything to offer now.

He calls the President's intervention of the s*** that screwed up (very nice word) liberal wreckless spending! Wath a nerve. So...who do you think spent this country into the toilet Michael? It sure as hell wasn't this administration. Comments like these will only piss the public off more with you people.

You all may "pretend" that you aren't responsible for this mess, but we know who is and saying BS like this doesn't help your cause..not one bit.  
everybody should know the last thing to rise in a recovery is the jobs
When they passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later unemployment has continued to climb and none of their rosy predictions have come true.
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NEARLY FOUR MONTHS. Wow that is a long time. Whew!!!
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Andrea in NYC, let's be fair here.  Remember, there was no time to adequately debate this bill, there was no time to even read it, because 'every day of inaction there were thousands of jobs lost.'   So presumably ramming this stimulus bill through would have produced some results sooner rather than later.  Since it was going to take some time for the results to show anyway, perhaps a little bit of time to discuss it might have been a wise move.
To be honest, when Boehner speaks, I don't listen anymore because he only changes the key words and the rest is a boiler plate speech.

No wonder Americans have a snynical view of politicians and congress.  This is what we get.  This country is in crisis and what is the opposition doing to help--criticize, just criticize.

Since the right seems to criticize Pres Obama for an evening out, a cheeseburger, Camp David, and spending an extra night in Paris, do you ever wonder how Boehner has so much time to keep a continuous tan year round?  Does he go to the tanning booth or the golf course on his lunch or on congressional and tax payer time?  Maybe there should be a congressional hearing to investigate.
OK media.  Do your due diligence and call Bonehead out on his statements today.  Pres. Obama NEVER, EVER said the stimulus would "immediately" create jobs.  The President has said from the get go that job losses would get worse before they get better.  The Boner really hopes people don't listen to the President so they can put words in his mouth.  Only those who listen to Limpballs and Hannity agree with the Boner.  It amazes me how these dittoheads keep trying to spin the truth in hopes of reclaiming their power.  Hey guys, the wilderness is a dark, lonely place.
Once again many forget that unemployment is a trailing indicator of the economy. The recession began in December of 2007. So if the Bush Administration would have done something/anything maybe hundreds of thousands or even millions of jobs could have been saved. But no, you want to blame the Obama Administration, who has been in office only 4.5 months, for a problem that clearly started 18 months ago.
  You seem to be upset with what he is doing to help rebuild the economy but at least he is trying to fix this complex problem unlike the last administration who sat on their hands for over a year.
  Many conservatives love to acknowledge how great Ronald Regan was but they don’t talk the economic problems of his first term when both unemployment and inflation were above 10%.
  Ten percent is an important benchmark for both unemployment and inflation and there is a chance we will see both within the next year. There is a better chance that unemployment will drop below 10% before inflation exceeds 10%. But inflation will rise, just like it did with Regan due to what had to be done to re-energize the economy.
  Regan was able to accomplish stimulus with tax cuts because taxes were at higher rate than they have been since but some of the results of lower taxes are what we see today in our decaying infrastructure.
  No matter what happens with the economy, unemployment and inflation just be sure to remember that when the problem started we were not informed and nothing was done for almost a year. History will probably show this delay in action to be a critical cause for the depth and length of this recession.

  As an armchair quarterback evaluating all the government spending gives me ulcers. I have tried to look at it in a different way. I want to send my children to college because I know it will give them a better opportunity to achieve the American dream. To do this I must spend money I don’t have and my children will need student loans that they can’t afford and will take years to repay. This is much like what the government is doing, spending money they don’t have and will take years to repay so we can have a better future. Just like sending our children to college it is a gamble. Will they finish? Will they make good use of it? Will they end up in a dead end job and in debt forever? We don’t know but we got to give it a go. It’s the right thin to do.
As a Republican, I'm actually pretty surprised that these pinheads are criticizing the results of the stimulus already.  Politically they are basically saying that if things start to improve that they have to now give credit to the stimulus.   If history is any indicator, our econonmy was going to turn around with or without the stimulus but now somehow this particular economic recovery will be entirely due to the wisdom of the stimulus package and not a part of a natural business cycle.   I'd have more respect for my republican friends if they just shut their mouths and promoted alternative policies that focused on fiscal responsibility, economic growth, defense and security, immigration reform and energy independence.   None of these clowns, republican or democrat have any credibility with the citizenry at this point since they have all proven that they will say absolutely anything that they deem to be politically expedient.
If the economists say government spending is what we need to create jobs now (and most agree that it is), then let's spend the money already. Philimus, Cleveland, Ohio (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:13 PM)
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Philimus,  I do not know to which economists you are referring other than Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but you have a lot of time on your hands since you lost your job at Case Western, TRW, Acme Cleveland, British Petroleum or Parker Hannifin. Don’t worry comrade, Barack will make everything alright. Just check your mailbox for your extended unemployment check, Soon, GM (Government Motors) will build a make-work plant in Cleveland to restore it to its prewar glory!!!

I myself am waiting for the glorious workers revolution to restore Detroit!
No joe,

You say the President's job number claims can't be validated.

Does that also mean that the job number cannot be invalidated?

Is it your position that the stimulus produced zero jobs?

How many jobs created in the 3 months would be enough do you think?


Do you have a problem with going inside the Whitehouse?

Where would you prefer the media to take you, inside the off shore tax havens?





Democrats are decrying the concern after four months, but it's relevant that in four months Obama has increased government spendiing more than any president in history in that short four months. We better see real benefit soon to help us feel better about indebting our children for generations to come.

I love the job "saving" terminology that Obama has adopted. So if I'm still employed by month end, Obama's plan has saved my job. Using this terminology, Obama's plan could not create a single job, but the administration can say they've saved millions of jobs.
Regan was able to accomplish stimulus with tax cuts because taxes were at higher rate than they have been since but some of the results of lower taxes are what we see today in our decaying infrastructure.
Sub Sailor (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:32 PM)
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Sub Sailor, Reagan also cut back on the lead shields next to the reactor where you obviously spent too much time.
"The president is ramping up his stimulus program even as his advisers are ramping down expectations about when the spending plan will effect a continuing rise in the nation's unemployment."
msnbc.com: Top msnbc.com headlines – 06/08/09

The president's spending plan may, in fact, "...effect a continuing rise in the nation's unemployment."  I doubt, however, that is how the plan is intended to affect the jobless rate.

Is this a grammatical error...or indicative of something much more serious, even sinister?
Remember, there was no time to adequately debate this bill, there was no time to even read it, because 'every day of inaction there were thousands of jobs lost.' Jersey Girl (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:29 PM)
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That is a load of crap.
This bill, like every other bill, was read by the congressperson's clerks and input given to them.

They knew the basics of the bill in December, thus had plenty of time for discussion. The republicans used this time to complain, point fingers and (in Boehner case) yell in front of cameras so he could display his false line of GOP crap.
I think it is interesting to note that the there is a quiet initative called the Common Core of State Standards for education occurring.  47 govenors have signed on to this initiative.  Can you guess which ones have not signed on?  Try Alaska, Texas and South Carolina.  Now tell me -- politics? or stupidity?
It's easy to criticize and difficult to find solutions.  The republicans, not unlike 7 year olds, are choosing the easy way.  Just like they did with bush when they rubberstamped everything - leading to the disaster we find ourselves in.

Pardon me if I put the opinions of folks like boehner and mcconnell where they belong...in the trash.  Actually, I don't even listen to the right anymore - if I want to hear whining, I'll listen to my kids.
Personally I'Ve had enough of the G-NO-P snide remarks. What ever happened to clean up what you messed up?

I think that the President is doing a wonderful job considering what he came into office with. I am not saying this because I voted for him, it is just fact.

It took time for us to get into this crapper and it will take time to come off. The recession started in 2007 and the s*** hit the fan in 2008. A lot of Americans aren't used to waiting...some are very impatient. Those that expect a geni in a bottle...keep waiting. A lot of people spent themselves in a corner, It will take time...
OBAMA'S "JOBS SAVED" IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE....

IF YOU WANT TO SAVE A JOB, CALL YOUR COMPUTER REPAIRMAN AND HAVE HIM UNSTICK YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY.
To everyone saying that they would not vote for President Obama to be re-elected if he signs on to a plan that taxes employer benefits:
Nashville_fan (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 1:27 PM)
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Exactly… I myself am wondering how long before Pam, San Pedro jumps all over this.  I’m sorry but I am sick & tired even of my own party wanting everything right here & right now.

One more time… when has a President EVER delivered 100% of what YOU want?  President Obama is not perfect… but hell at least he’s trying to get something DONE!  More than we can say about any of the other clowns starring in the freak show on the Hill so give it some time people before everyone gets all worked up in a lather like the Dopes of Nope!
President Obamination is enslaving this country.  He's printing money, borrowing money and is going tax he h-e-l-l out of us.  Stimulus, banks, autos, healthcare.  We can't do what is really important like protect ourselves from NK and Iran.  What idiots this administration and congress are.
RNC Chairman Michael Steele added, "Republicans want to work with the president to get our economy back on track, but the president seems intent on promoting and adopting some of the most liberal and reckless government intervention economic policies we have ever seen.”

Mike did you say this on your own or did rush and newt tell you the republican boy to say this.

before any body says i'm being racist I'm black.
Regan was able to accomplish stimulus with tax cuts because taxes were at higher rate than they have been since but some of the results of lower taxes are what we see today in our decaying infrastructure.
Sub Sailor (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:32 PM)
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Sub Sailor, Reagan also cut back on the lead shields next to the reactor where you obviously spent too much time.
Win One For The Gipper, Dixon, IL
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Sub Sailor actually has a good point, radiation therapy or not.  There is a level of taxes that is most efficient--probably not a stable point.  Cutting taxes further may not promote the stimulative effect to the economy that was seen by Reagan.  Certainly raising taxes to pre-Reagan would also be devastating for the economy.  Everything is a trade off.  When one thing is changed, it affects something else.  The question and the trick is to do the most to benefit at the least damage or cost.
I am not sure about your town, but the one I line in is trying to decide the BEST  way to spend their stimulus $$ that have come in.  There are several builing projects on the line that the council is trying to decide which will bring about the best results.  
Jobs have been being lost for the last year.....it will take a long time to recover jobs that were lost.  Or it will take time for training those who lost jobs into a new career.  We have to be patient.  
Obrother bankrupting the country....and no jobs to show for it!
It's easy to criticize and difficult to find solutions.  The republicans, not unlike 7 year olds, are choosing the easy way. Jilli, Houston, TX (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:46 PM)
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What? Like "I need health care so let the government pay for it. Tax the rich if you need more money."

Simplistic, childish solutions like that? Is that what you want?

Just stick it to the man!
I am getting sick to death of the spew of negative crap from the GOP abotu the stimulus. If the stimulus fails then it won't be because the GOP could have done it better. IN fact you would think with all this posturing and BS that they had nothing to do with creating the mess in the first place. What a bunch of losers. I'm sick and tired of the relentless vomit pouring out of the collective GOP. Its not constructive and its anti-American filth. Don't these people have better things to do with their time than to hamper America's recovery and generally just bash Obama indiscriminately. Like they had a better idea. OH WAIT we'll just end medicare and all other social programs, get rid of the education department, and basically gut the government and then ramp up abuse in the defense department so that the Republicans can turn the money spigot back on to their halliburton friends. Maybe we'll just give up that sounds like what the Republicans would prefer.
carol, Roseville, CA (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:45 PM)

That would be "Both" for $600, Alex.
Pardon me if I put the opinions of folks like boehner and mcconnell where they belong...in the trash.  Actually, I don't even listen to the right anymore - if I want to hear whining, I'll listen to my kids.

Great post! Jilli. It was so good I had to post it again.
"These policies are harming middle-class families when they can least afford it". Really?

You mean the spending that was done to pump money into the state coffers to keep people employed and to start public works projects are "harming middle-class families"?

Has the stimulus been 100% effective in stopping job losses? No. Has this been "harmful to middle-class families"? No. It's quite possible that the massive job loss numbers would be EVEN HIGHER without these measures.
bhurd (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 2:36 PM)

We found a point on which we can agree,...I, too, would be more apt to show,

"...respect for my republican friends if they just shut their mouths and promoted alternative policies that focused on fiscal responsibility, economic growth, defense and security, immigration reform and energy independence..."
Thanks Clinotn, Rubinomics and the FannieCrat Gang!!!
Is there no end to the ignorance and obstructionism of the the right?
The GOP is becoming a joke. I too dont listen to these idiots. If I want to hear crap I go watch my next door neigbors dog poop or listen to my wife on the bowl.
Give us a break GOP already..
ENOUGH is ENOUGh.
Palin and all the rest of them. They are complete idiots
Obie

You are losing.

Trying to make a lie seem like the truth doesn't cut it just like trying to make millions of lost jobs look like millions of found jobs.

Barack Obama means fame and fortune and celebrity.
But it's those who worship you that don't care about whether you're right or wrong.

Simple man ... simple dreams. Wake up and stop being delusional. We're talking America here ... or what's left of it.

It's on YOU, not president Bush.
To, Win One......

Sub Sailor is correct. At the time cutting taxes may have been a prudent thing to do. What Republicans seem to forget though is even Reagan saw that his tax cuts went too far and he "raised taxes", in effect, by not going ahead with further tax cuts as planned in his first term. That lesson, apparently, was forgotten by Bush II.

Pete: The most recent Nobel Prize winning economist, Paul Krugmanm, to name but one, agrees that massive government spending/stimulus is required to get out of this recession.

And to complete the trifecta - DG, are you suggesting that the stimulus money that was given to the states didn't save jobs that were scheduled to be cut? What about the money to prop up AIG and many banks? You think all the people at those firms would still be working had the government not stepped in?

You're either being disingenuous or DG is an abbreviation for DUMB GUY/GAL.
When they passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later unemployment has continued to climb and none of their rosy predictions have come true.
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NEARLY FOUR MONTHS. Wow that is a long time. Whew!!!
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Andrea in NYC, let's be fair here.  Remember, there was no time to adequately debate this bill, there was no time to even read it, because 'every day of inaction there were thousands of jobs lost.'   So presumably ramming this stimulus bill through would have produced some results sooner rather than later.  Since it was going to take some time for the results to show anyway, perhaps a little bit of time to discuss it might have been a wise move. - Jersey Girl
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Who is to say that there have no been results.  I'm not seeing in the press State/Local governments complaining.  The President can't create private sector jobs, but he is aiding public sector ones...and this crock about not reading bills is bogus.  That issue falls on Congress.  If someone has time to write the bill, someone has time to read it.
I'm tired of this continual pass on the Congress, regardless of who is at the helm.  The Executive Branch can not make the Congress pass bills.  You can twist arms and wrangle words all you want, don't claim status as a member of Congress and then act as though you got bullied into doing something.  There is plenty of time to read bills.
The status and impact these individuals carry in this country against such an excuse is pathetic at best.


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