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Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: The Cairo effect?

Posted: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The Cairo effect? For a moment, forget about the political back-and-forth over the stimulus, the latest drama surrounding Sarah Palin, the Supreme Court’s stay of Chrysler’s sale to Fiat, or today’s Democratic gubernatorial primary in Virginia. The most important political event over the past couple of days may very well have been Sunday’s parliamentary elections in Lebanon, where the American-backed coalition bested Hezbollah’s coalition. As the New York Times front-pages today, analysts are attributing the upset results, in part, to President Obama’s big Cairo speech last week. “It is hard to draw firm conclusions from one election. But for the first time in a long time, being aligned with the United States did not lead to defeat in the Middle East,” the paper says. The biggest test, however, comes on Friday, when Iran’s Ahmadinejad is running for re-election against a much more moderate candidate, Mir-Hossein Moussavi. “I think the speech of Obama in Cairo more likely played a role in neutralizing anti-Americanism,” Khalil al-Dakhil, a sociologist from Saudi Arabia told the Times. “It was a positive message. It was a conciliatory message.” Is a trend occurring in the Middle East? We’ll find out later this week.

*** Stay right here: But if Lebanon’s election was welcome news for the Obama White House, yesterday’s Supreme Court stay of Chrysler’s sale to Fiat certainly wasn’t. In a 53-word statement, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg halted -- at least temporarily -- the sale, the Washington Post writes. “The decision buys the court time to consider objections filed over the weekend, and it comes as the clock is ticking. Fiat can back out of the deal if it is not finalized by Monday, and the government has warned that the only alternative would be to force the nation's third-largest automaker into liquidation, throwing the industry in turmoil and leaving tens of thousands of people without jobs.” More from the Post: “The stakes may be higher for the Obama administration: If the court backs some of the claims, it could disrupt plans to rescue General Motors and weaken the government's hand in stabilizing the troubled economy.” Still, some observers believe that the court will approve of the sale, perhaps by as early as today.

Video: There is more uncertainty for Chrysler as the Supreme Court puts its sale to Fiat on hold. The Italian car company, however, says it plans to stick by the ailing U.S. automaker. CNBC’s Melissa Francis reports.

*** Selling the stimulus: It's been a constant battle for the Obama White House ever since it got the bill passed -- selling an $800 billion stimulus to a skeptical public that’s feeling a bit burned out from taxpayer bailouts. Yesterday, the administration attempted to jump-start the media in its coverage of the stimulus. It didn't go so well. After prolonged questioning about the White House briefing, Obama officials admitted the initial claim of 150,000 jobs saved or created is based on a mathematical formula, "tried and true" claimed Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein. And, in time, they may be proved correct. But we won't know for sure until the end of the quarter, when they match up real data with their statistical models. As we’ve said before, one of the administration’s big challenges is asking for patience -- for the economy to rebound and the stimulus to take effect -- in a country that usually prefers instant gratification, that has a 24/7 media constantly churning out stories, and that has a political environment in which the opposition is waiting to pounce on every shortcoming, real or perceived.

*** All about Terry: Here's one way to look at today's three-way Democratic gubernatorial in Virginia: It's all about Terry McAuliffe, and he probably wouldn't have it any other way. If McAuliffe wins, it would be due to his organization and laser-like focus on jobs and the economy. It would confirm that money and name ID do matter. And, of course, it would set up an entertaining and TV cable-friendly general election against Republican Bob McDonnell. But if McAuliffe loses -- to surging Creigh Deeds or (less likely) Brian Moran -- it would be due to concerns about his electability. It would confirm that the best-known and best-financed candidates don't always win. It would provide evidence, as we wrote yesterday, that newspaper endorsements (like the Washington Post’s nod to Deeds) can impact a race. And it would be another electoral loss for the Clintons and their friends, especially in Virginia (where Obama beat Hillary last year, 64%-35%). Still, the race is up for grabs. Deeds has surged ahead in the polls, but not far enough where you can declare the race over. More importantly, no one knows who's going to turn out to vote (some estimate that turnout will be around 200,000, compared with the nearly 1 million who voted in last year's Democratic presidential primary. Polling places opened at 6:00 am ET and close at 7:00 pm.

*** A few other things to watch: Will turnout cross the 200,000 mark? (The bigger the turnout, the more likely McAuliffe pulls this off; none of the three candidates has spent more money wooing the black vote, for instance, than Terry.) If Deeds wins, he'll face a rematch of sorts against McDonnell, to whom he lost by a handful of votes (after a recount) in the 2005 attorney general race. Still, as we suggested above, the story out of a Deeds win won't be his victory, but McAuliffe's loss. Terry may have been a flawed candidate from the start. He gave the impression that he woke up one day and thought, "Hey, maybe I can win the Virginia governorship." A few years back, he pondered a run for Florida governor, but the state has a seven-year residency requirement. If McAuliffe does come up short, his candidacy should serve as a reminder to anyone thinking about running for office -- know why you want to run and lay the groundwork for years, not weeks or months. Furthermore, for what it's worth, a Deeds win would make Virginia's Big Three Dem officials (Warner, Kaine, and Webb) feel a lot more comfortable getting behind the nominee. Those close to the three have never been able to convey any enthusiasm for McAuliffe for the reasons stated above. Moran is looking like an afterthought, but one wonders if he should have kept his sights on the LG race as some thought he was going to do a few years ago. As for Deeds, if he does win, he'll have to ramp up his fundraising in a hurry. Sure, he can win a Dem primary with a handful of voters (and a Washington Post endorsement) by being outspent. But he can't win in November that way.

*** 'Monty, I’ll take what’s behind door No. 3': You might not have known this from yesterday’s drama surrounding Sarah Palin (would she attend, would she speak?), but the headliner at last night’s NRCC/NRSC fundraiser was Newt Gingrich. In his remarks, Gingrich maintained that Republicans would return to majority status if they followed the course of lower taxes and free markets, and he said Obama was overmatched on national security by Dick Cheney. Just askin’, but how many Republican strategists who care about making the GOP a majority party again would like someone (anyone) from behind door number three? If Gingrich vs. Palin is really what the battle of the leadership of the GOP ends up being, one would truly have to wonder if the two were privately in cahoots with Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Video: Republicans hosted their biggest fundraiser of the year, reportedly raising more than $14 million, but not without its share of drama. Newt Gingrich was almost disinvited and Gov. Sarah Palin was supposed to be the headliner, but never officially agreed.

*** Senate’s attendance record: By the way, here is a fascinating stat, courtesy of the Washington Post: It's been 15 months since all 100 senators have cast a vote. Of course, there are only 99 senators right now (see Franken, Al), but Kennedy and Byrd have both missed quite a few votes due to health.

*** Coup in New York! "Chaos reigned in Albany on Monday night after Republicans seemingly pulled off an unprecedented midsession coup to gain control of the chamber," the New York Daily News writes. "The GOP flipped two Democrats to shift power to their side, making one of them, Pedro Espada Jr. (D-Bronx), the temporary Senate president." However, as the Washington Post’s Cillizza notes, this could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Democrats, because it helps free up state Sen. Darrel Aubertine to make a run for the congressional seat vacated by John McHugh (R), who left the House to become Obama’s Army secretary. “The concern -- prior to the coup -- was that an Aubertine House candidacy would force a special election that Democrats would likely lose, a defeat that would hand control of the state Senate back to Republicans. With that scenario off the table, Aubertine is free to pursue a House candidacy.”

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The Audacity of Hope

Of all the big mouths we see in the media on an hourly basis, I can’t think of anyone who has done more harm to this country than Newt Gingrich. There is just something about this man that screams hypocrisy. I voted for Barack Obama because he is smart, something we unfortunately rarely see anymore in American politics.

The election is over, but the campaign isn’t. President Obama and his supporters are doing a great job of marginalizing the right wing. Newt Gingrich will never be president. He does not love this country. He undermines it. He does his best to try and lessen our values as a diverse progressive country. There are too many in DC and in the media who are just like him. They don’t challenge themselves. They don’t open their eyes to all the possibilities of a better future.

He and people like him are stuck on negativism. Who needs it? Not us. We have 8 years ahead of us with a president who is intelligent, a hard worker, and someone who knows it will not be easy to make the changes he wants. He can’t do it alone. He needs to be pushed. And pushed hard. He welcomes it.

And 8 years from now, this country will be vastly different than from what it is today.  Because we Democrats settled for nothing less.  What Newt, Scarborough, Buchanan, Boehner, McConnell or any of them have to say anymore is unimportant. They removed themselves from the Serious Department of Discussion. Besides, why should we care what they have to say? Their bottom line is to have a Republican beat President Obama in 4 years.

And they don’t care how they do it. But they will lose.
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I don’t remember who said it yesterday but I’d like to clarify something someone said about Pam. She was always a Hillary Clinton supporter. But when Hillary lost, Pam immediately got on board with Barack Obama. She’s first and foremost a Democrat. She has a lot of resentment towards Keith and Chris for the way they treated Hillary. She has that right. I still feel a lot of resentment towards some in the media for the way they treated Barack Obama during the Rev. Wright controversy. There was a lot on the line in 2008 for all of us. Her and I saw the candidates differently, but to me she was always honest and deep seated in her family roots. She raised two beautiful daughters on her own under the most difficult of  circumstances. And while I never met her personally, we corresponded a great deal for a few years over @ News Hole and I found her to be about as passionate as anyone about a Democrat winning the White House in 2008.
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Nashville Fan: Keep up the fight. There are many in the media and the GOP who would like nothing better than to bring our president down to their level. They’re not used to dealing with an intelligent, 21t century thinking president. It will take time before they wake up. But haven’t we learned that they’re always the last to do so?
Since the ‘Queen of Mean’ refuses to exit the stage anytime soon… it’s only appropriate that we are allowed to keep critiquing her and her Klan of dysfunctional misfits.  I’ll give the GEENOPEE credit when it’s due… and that is it was a GREAT choice on their part NOT to let the Wasilla Hillbilly open her lipstick stained mouth!  

I’m sure she kept them guessing whether or not she would show up at the dinner until someone handed her their credit card so she & the first dude could buy themselves some fancy new duds! On someone else’s DIME of course! You betcha!  Wink wink! There’s no stuffing this ‘genie’ back in the bottle!  

And to B,LA – it was refreshing to hear someone actually admit she’s nothing more than ‘eye’ candy!  I enjoy me some fine ‘eye candy’ myself but would never think that say… Johnny Depp is qualified to be leader of the free world!  Anyone can look good if they have a $15K a month personal make up artist shadowing you 24/7!
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I notice when Gov. Palin comes to the lower 48, the Palin-haters come out in force - must have recently received their DNC and Soros checks.

There are so many out there who seem to fear her, and fear then causes hatred of a woman who has not a bone of hatred in her body. You really have to meet her in person to see what I mean.
LaTisha (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 4:25 PM)
Okay I was going to let this slide… but sorry honey it’s too tasty of a morsel to pass up… so you’re saying that Klondike Barbie… doesn’t have a ‘bone of hatred’ in her body???

Bwaaa haaa haaa haaa… you’ve got to be kidding me!  That bitch did everything within her power to try to incite a race riot while she was on the campaign trail!  Who can forget the Real America vs. America… how about ‘Palling Around with Terrorists’. Troopergate anyone??   Simpleton Sarah puts the ‘V’ in vindictive!

And as for meeting her… you have my sympathies… hope you took a long hot shower afterwards with plenty of antibacterial soap!

The only one you’re hoodwinking with the ‘she’s so nice routine’ is yourself!
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Ps:  And to Chuck – you’re sure one multi-tasking master!  Congrats on the book deal!  Right now I can’t wait to read Richard Wolf’s new book ‘Renegade’!  Of course when I’m not reading FR!
From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The Cairo effect?
“It was a positive message. It was a conciliatory message.” Is a trend occurring in the Middle East? We’ll find out later this week.

I have something to share with certain people that aren’t aware of a few facts regarding the Muslim religion. We debated this issue on last week and I just thought I’d share this information ...you know who you are.

It was around 650 BC…….Calid, an Umayyad prince, translated the literature of Egyptian alchemy into the Arabic language.  The fundamental ideas of alchemy are said to have arisen in the ancient Persian Empire.[1] Alchemy has been practiced in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Persia (today's Iran), India, China, Japan, and Korea in Classical Greece and Rome, in the Muslim civilizations, and then in Europe up to the 20th century—in a complex network of schools and philosophical systems spanning at least 2500 years.

Kind of old isn’t it.? I have a fondness for history, theology, politics and science. Hope this helps shed light on your darkness. BTW, it was Cario, Egypt, birthplace of the religion…

'Monty, I’ll take what’s behind door No. 3':

There is in fighting in the republican party…so what else is new? Sister Sarah was upstaged by the (Grinch) Newt, he had to have his 20 minutes of fame. The very man that was ran out of Washington in shame.

They raised about 14.5 m and fewer party members donated this year as opposed to 15.4 in 2007 and 27 million in 2005. Palin was on Hannity talking of all things “economics”. She only made a “C” in microeconomics in college. Palin is trying to fake her way to a nomination, but doesn’t realize that everyone is on to her lack of knowledge.

Palin-- they only wanted you for window dressing—you suck at public speaking that doesn’t include a bevy of speech writers. The GOP keeps diging up Ronald Reagan, good grief, they should let him rest in peace. He stunk as a President anyway. They have nothing…nada unless a dark horse happens to appear, just the same old tired assed old farts that are damn near maggot food. Palin, Todd is giving you the wrong advice.


So you can change the world with really good speeches? Tell that to Cheney and Hillary...

http://www.political-buzz.com/
Chuck Todd - no mention of your pending book deal?  Curious, odd, unusual - to 'coin' the great Jon Stewart last night.  I love the way he completely eviscerated Joe Scarborough - Mr. Product Placement himself.  I wonder if he claims 'income' for all that free coffee?  Kind of like Tom Daschle's free limo service, 'in kind' is not the same as free, buddy.
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I don't have a dog in the VA governor race; but I really hope McAuliffe doesn't win.  He's a blow hard idiot, in my opinion.
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Newt Gingrich is BEGGING for any signs of relevancy within his own party.  If he really believes President Obama is outmatched by his band of merry idiots - well the political wilderness must seem pretty comfortable to him by now.  He's certainly been there awhile.
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Whatever is going on with the Senate attendance is priceless because it has managed to make John McCain show up for work.  That certainly didn't happen in the previous two years or so.
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and from yesterday:
“…Oh, and Clara:  I never said that I 'hated' Obama  I dislike his policies, and I think that he is an ivory tower academician who knows as much about the real world as he does about alchemy.  I am extremely offended by you 'threat'.

That said, I am very happy for your good fortune in having two (I am sure) beautiful and healthy children.  god bless you and them!”  no joe, no bo,nj (Sent Monday, June 08, 2009 12:28 PM)

Okay, I apologize – I pushed back hard (and actually before I read your adoption attempt story – which is heartbreaking – so I definitely feel for you on that):

But Say it ain’t So, No Joe – you have been the most vehemently, consistently, outspoken critic and OFTEN you inject known falsehoods or half truths into the discussion.  Often you have good, solid contra-positions; but equally often it is just partisan hackery.  So forgive me if I over-reacted to what I perceived was the latter.  And thanks for your well wishes to my family.  I am quite happy and proud of them.
"It's been 15 months since all 100 senators have cast a vote. Of course, there are only 99 senators right now (see Franken, Al), but Kennedy and Byrd have both missed quite a few votes due to health."
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Here's a little trip down memory lane...

Last June, the Senate voted on the Medicare funding bill.  Teddy Kennedy had just recently been diagnosed with his brain tumor, but was present for the vote. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both returned to cast their votes.  In all, 99 out of 100 Senators showed up to vote for Medicare funding.  The lone no-show?

John McCain.  A real leader, that one.
While I agree First Read, that the events in the Middle East are indeed important and significant, I feel that President Obama is rightly trying to put a big focus on the number one domestic issue our country is currently facing - how to fix our healthcare system.

I would like to know why it is that so many Republicans/conservatives maintain that it impossible for the government to run anything well.

It is complete madness for a politician to be employed by “the government”, receive health care for life from “the government”, and then tell us that the problem is “the government”.

We do not need people responsible for running the government telling us, their EMPLOYER, that it is impossible for them to do a good job.  If that is the case, then why don't these politicians stop taking their "government" salaries and resign? What exactly are they being paid to do?


The demonization of “the government” is irrational and counterproductive. While there are many examples of government programs that are not run well, there are just as many examples of private sector enterprises that are inefficient as well.

In fact, it was the private sector that has brought us our latest round of self serving incompetence: Bernie Madoff, AIG,  Citigroup, and yes GM and Chrysler. And before them there was Enron, MCI/Worldcom, and the Savings and Loan crisis.


That is why I feel it is not enough to just decry "government run" healthcare. Someone needs to explain to me WHY it is a bad idea for the government to step in and meet a need that is NOT currently being met?

Why is protecting the health insurance and pharamaceutical industry’s profits more important than protecting the American people who are suffering under our current patchwork healthcare system?

If those currently profiting from health insurance cannot create a product to meet the needs of the uninsured and underinsured, then why should they care if the government does?

In the final analysis, I have to ask a question similar to the one that President Obama asked about the auto industry:

If other countries can provide affordable healthcare to all of their citizens, why can't we?
*** Stay right here:

This tiff with Chrysler is about the pension plans of the employees of Chrysler if I am not mistaken. There are some agreements than need ironing out. However I don't see the deal not going through.

Coup in New York!

This really isn't an issue...I do believe it is a blessing in disguise. So republicans don't start salivating all over yourselves just yet.
Well let's hope Obama is as good at saving & creating democrat seats in congress as he is creating and saving jobs for the American people.
Don't read this site if you're a reality challenged hopeychangey liberal. http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
Thanks for the kind words Pat . . . and thanks for your posts. I enjoy your unique perspective . . . you make me want to read more history books and travel more . . . you bring a whole lot of class to First Read!
'...the headliner at last night’s NRCC/NRSC fundraiser was Newt Gingrich...'

What does THAT say about hte Republicans ?

Newt Gingrich is a SCOUNDREL
The word should have been invented for him. SCOUNDREL

His first wife put him through college, but she 'isn't young enough or pretty enough to be a President's wife'

A serial adulterer who married a second time and abandoned his second wife

Later, while decrying an affair by President Clinton and pushing for impeachment he carried on his own affair with a brazen adulteress Callista Bistek who he later married

Then, there are the financial shenanigans

This is bad enough, but Newt touts himself as an 'idea' man

Ideas like 'de-regulation' How did that turn out ?
Ideas like the Iraq War, another winner

Truly the Republicans are lost with Newt, who used to demand oral sex from his playmates so he could deny he's 'slept with them'

Gingrich and Palin, a choice of Cancer or Polio


Newt ,,,This country has no use for you and your Neo-Con spew,first you call Soto a racist,then your party comes out and scolds you A$$, and then you crawl back under your rock and cower,I didn't mean she is a racist,just the words she used are????WTF you talking bout.While the baser may love your spews the rest of the country has moved past your hate party,the party of torture,the party of wire taps,the party of war mongers,of Racist who play the boogie man behind the white sheet BS.I know it scares thje hell out of the under-educated but outr side of the south the rest of us finished high school,and some after that.Not like the basers you call your peeps.Big tent party,hanging in a two man.
We can see the positive effect President Obama's speech had on Muslims by the election results in Lebanon.  There's no doubt that his Cairo speech has had a positive effect upon our image in the Middle East, as well as his more respectful approach to dealing with Muslims.  Had McNasty and the Wasilla Hillbilly been in office now we would have seen very different results as Hezbollah would have won many more seats than they did.

I loved Jon Stewart last night going after MSNBC tv's Mourning Jerk for his clueless reply to Jon's teasing about the Starbuck's deal last week.  The Mourning Jerk should know that trying to argue with Stewart is the wrong thing to do because he does have the better set of writers.  I did enjoy how Jon showed MSNBC tv going after Lush Limburger and I feel he likes that.  Why does MSNBC tv keep bringing the Mourning Jerk back after his decrepit show is over in the morning?  Nothing makes me change the channel faster than seeing the Mourning Jerk or hearing his clueless lies.

After that distraction Jon got down to business going after fox and freaks.  I loved how he showed how hypocritical the three stooges in the morning are on fox and freaks.  He showed them whining about Sasha Cohen's crotch shot on Eminem saying that was not what children should see at 9PM on MTV.  Then he shows them doing some nonsensical skit just before 9AM in the morning with some of the Lingerie Bowl gals and it ends up with the guy who isn't Steve Ducie with his butt in a girl's face, though Jon was remiss in pointing out the way obvious lower left corner where one of the girl's behinds is in full view to the viewer's face.

Yup the executives at fox and freaks prove that they love the smell of a crotch shot early in the morning.

In MSNBC tv We Trust!
In fox and freaks We Bust!
Go Lakers!
Yesterday a comment was posted telling us to check the Infant & Cancer Mortality rates in Canada & France compared to the US and stating they were much lower in the US. So I did some research and this is what I found:

The infant mortality rate is the number of deaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year. Data is from 2006.

World Avg. 42.09
USA  6.26
Canada  5.04
U.K.  4.85
France  3.33

The Cancer mortality rate is for all types of cancer where cancer is the primary cause of death per 1,000 deaths. Data is from 2003. [could not find a world average]

MEN:
USA 163.2
Canada 170.6
U.K. 181.9
France 204.7

WOMEN:
USA 109.7
Canada 111.5
U.K. 126.9
France 89.9
Nashville_Fan:

I had a similar response yesterday when someone used the post office and other less than stellar examples of 'failed' government.  My response:

1.  NASA
2.  US Military

When we want a government program to succeed, we don't seem to have a problem with it.

Bureaucracy inherently stagnates; the Post Office, much like GM failed to recognize FedEx and UPS as real competition.  Now e-mail has replaced the need for personal mail.  I pay all of my bills online, no postage there.  Bad management and market analysis is what killed them both.

Social Security when implemented was not to pay out for 17 years or so, and yet I believe it was three years into it when distributions began.  The problem with our government is that we show no discipline with program administration.  AND politicians have been allowed to LIE about the true costs of programs.
Minority Leader John Boehner, from yesterday's First Read:  
"When they [Democrats] passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later unemployment has continued to climb and none of their rosy predictions have come true."
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That's a bald-faced lie. Nobody said the results would be "immediate." Boehner just made it up. To the contrary, President Obama said the recovery would be a slow process like turning an ocean liner around.

It's disturbing to see someone who lies as shamelessly as Boehner does in a position to influence what Congress does (or in Boehner's case, doesn't do). It's also disturbing that his lies are simply quoted in the media, leaving it up to the people to figure out whether what Boehner said was true or false. The news media are supposed to separate fact from fiction, but it seems they seldom do.
 Don't count on a low turnout today in Virginia- I voted about 6:25 this morning, and I was the 47th person in my precinct to arrive.   And that was AFTER wading through the dozen McAuliffe volunteers who were eager to extol the virtues of their guy as I passed by.
  If only they realized that made me even more determined not to vote for him.      
Thankfully, we now have intelligent, practical and LEGAL foreign policy that respects international laws. One speech by POTUS in Cairo may just have led to the election of moderates in Lebanon. In just the span of around 6 months our reputation in the world is slowly but surely getting better after 8 long years of cowboy, arrogant and meglomaniac foreign policy.
On the stimulus:  we were told, in the rush to sign this massive bill, that is would certainly keep the unemployment rate under 8%.

Well, it was signed, and unemployment is 9.4%.

So much for the magic mathmatical formula the administration is using to project how many jobs are 'saved'.

The Supreme Court is poised to prevent the administration from overturning 150 years of bankruptcy law-good for them.  The 'selfish bondhlders' who brought this appeal are police and nurse pension funds, who are being asked to take a total loss, in favor of the UAW.  Ginsberg, by the way, is a very liberal justice, but she had my support for confirmation because her record supported it.  I wish I knew enough about Sotomayor to make a decision!  Nobody shuld be judged on their decision on ONE case; and I don't understand enough about what was meant by her 'wise Latina woman' remarks to make a judgment based on them.

Clara-thanks for your response and apology.  We all lose our tempers occasionally.  It's because we care so much!
I thought Obama's brief message on Colbert last night was great! I really wish i could get behind his policices b/c he i a really likable guy. But, i just don't agree with most of what he does and stands for regardless of how cool i may think he is.

I'm so sick of repubs and dems. my greatest hope is that i "viable" third party option materializes soon. If it's libertarinas, that's great. but, i would be happy even if it was a party i didn't agree with just to have another option. I strongly support term limits.

I guess i'm just someone who gets tired of the same old S**T!
"...Gingrich and Palin, a choice of Cancer or Polio"

MSierra, SF (Sent Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM)

Good one.

Go Lakers, do it in four!  I'm too busy this summer to watch more games!
Ruth Bader Ginsburg had better be careful messing with the bankruptcy deals of Chrysler and GM.  Now is not the time to protect a bunch of whining greedy hedge funds if it means botching the Chrysler-Fiat deal.  Now is not the time for the Supreme Court to stick it's nose in a fragile business deal where so many jobs are at stake.

Man was Stephen Colbert funny last night or what?  I so enjoyed seeing him bring on McCain and Obama for funny cameos where they poked fun at themselves.  I so enjoyed listening as President Obama ordered Odierno to give Stephen a buzz cut.  I'm sure the troops are enjoying a week of the Colbert Report and they so deserve the break.

Neuter Gingrich's clueless screech last night showed us that the repugnant ones are still looking to the past instead of looking to the future.  He clings to the losing recipe of bribing the voters with false promises of tax cut welfare for the rich and greedy and freemarket freeloading, the very same policies that have wrecked our economy in the first place.

Never Forgive Adulterer Neuter Gingrich!
Go Lakers!
Great Wall Street Journal article this morning...  

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html
The whole stimulus deal is going to be impossible to measure.  The whole "saved or created" stat is just nonsense.  There is no way to verify it.  The problem is that we'll never know the difference between jobs created by stimulus and jobs created by the natural economic recovery (the economy is cyclical).  

OK...there hasn't been much talk about this, but I am going to throw my conservative two cents in about the direction of the GOP:

1.  We are pretty much leaderless right now.  While I was excited about Sarah Palin when she was first announced as VP candidate, it soon became obvious that she wasn't ready.  I still like her, but not as the party's leader.  And while I might agree with Newt on a lot of what he said, there is too much of a negative feeling around him.  I'm not sure who our leader should be, but I just don't think it should be either of them.

2.  We have to combat this party of No nonsense.  The Dems did the same thing the GOP is doing right now for 6 years.  They said NO to everything.  Point that out.

3.  Get rid of the foolish attacks and go after substantive policy differences.  I don't care about his trips or his teleprompter use.  And for crying out loud, I think the whole birth certificate thing can be put to rest.  Go after the possible inflationary effects of the stimulus.  Go after how it's being distributed.  Talk about the administration's terrorism policies and why closing Gitmo would be wrong.  

4.  As far as Sotomayor...drop the race stuff and look into her case history.  Point out the problems you have with her judicial philosophy in a tactful way.  Don't fillibuster this one.  Vote no if you disagree and point out why.  

5.  Make the point that Obama is President now, not Bush.  Go after the things the Dems are doing now and don't get drawn into their blame Bush game.  Gotta keep the focus there.  Clearly (according to Gallup), the American people don't like what Obama is doing with the budget deficit.

Just my 2 cents
*** Selling the stimulus: It's been a constant battle for the Obama White House ever since it got the bill passed -- selling an $800 billion stimulus to a skeptical public that’s feeling a bit burned out from taxpayer bailouts.

Correct me if I am wrong...but didn't the President say that it would take time for the stimulas to make it through the economy? So why all the BS about it? It has been four months and we new that it would take several months to actually see it.

Job losses are slowing and that is a blessing but less not take our eye off the big challenge. We expected unemployment to reach double digits from the start.

We have been in this recession since 2007, the last administration kept the information hidden from the public but could no longer in the latter part of 2008 when we went for the bust.

I am sick and tired of the same old song and dance comming from the media and pundts. less be responsible here. We all know what we had and right about now we need to stop complaining. There is no silver bullet and no mijic wan for the BS that we've been delt. It's called patience...
The Republicans are sure to scream about any suggestion that there was a "Cairo Effect" from President Obama's speech in Egypt on the elections in Lebanon. Their party line is that no matter what Obama does, it weakens national security.

But does anyone seriously doubt that the narrow margin by which the pro-American parties won would either have been even narrower and perhaps even negative had Mr. "Bomb Bomb Iran" been elected President of the US?
The problems in the Middle east have been intractable for more years than any of us care to count.  But Obama gives one speech and somehow changes the dynamics of all that?  Suddenly there is no doubt that his speech played a role in influencing the outcome of parliamentary elections in Lebanon?  Oh really, and just where is the evidence for that provocative conjecture?  Maybe in the same place they discovered that Obama has 'saved' 150,000 jobs.
Pat, Boston: I always enjoy your thoughtful insightful posts.  And I appreciate your clarification of Pam.  

However I’m not sure about her being a Democrat first & foremost.  The last couple of weeks when she’s ‘popped’ in here she has been passionate that’s for sure – but not necessarily in the form of supporting President Obama.  The post that struck me as over the top was when she said she wished Kucinich had won the election.  

We all bring a unique sense of style to this forum and the ‘true’ supporters of our President are unwavering in their support of him and the success of this great country.

Having said that I wish her all the best and look forward to reading your inspirational posts each day!  And I could not agree with you more regarding coverage by our so called media!  Gotcha journalism is more like it
So the PRO AMERICANS in Lebanon won over the anti-Americans. Good news! Now if that strange little man can lose in Iran things will really improve. Amazing what REAL diplomacy and a great speech can do.

I hard on the news today that even if the SCOTUS goes beyond the current deadline for the Fiat/Chrysler merger that Fiat has no current plan of backing out.

Banks are ready to start paying OUR money back to US. That looks like a nother good sign that things are getting better.
In 24 hours we should know how the Democratic primary in Virginia pans out.  It will be interesting to see who Virginia Democrats select to run against the repugnant one.  Any of the three would be far better than the evil elephant in the race.

Rather sickening to see the repugnant ones pull a coup in the New York legislature but it looks like their coup will backfire on them in the end.  I so love watching Obama pick moderate repugnant ones for his Cabinet thus reducing the number of elected ones and giving Democrats a chance to pick up another seat to support Nancy Pelosi.

What a joke that Neuter Gingrich made saying that President Obama is overmatched by Coward Cheney on national security.  We are not safer because of the cowardly way Marquis de Sade Cheney reacted after 9/11.  While they told us to not be intimidated they acted all intimidated with their cowardly closing of the airlines for over a week, thus triggering the recession of 2001.  Cowards Bush and Cheney are responsible for allowing 9/11 to happen because they were asleep at the wheel for protecting us against Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda despite the constant warning by Richard Clark.  Ofcourse now Coward Cheney has to pretend he doesn't remember Richard Clark's many warnings about Al Qaeda determined to strike against us here.

In Obama We Trust!
Go Lakers!
Friday's elections in Iran will be interesting especially on the heels of Lebanon's moving to a more moderate government.  The right will never admit that Pres Obama's message to the world may be resonating; in fact Gingrich made negative comments during his speech.  It seems the right is determined to minimize the effect a more inclusive message to the middle east and the world can have which seems odd because even republican presidents reached out to other countries and the right cheered, especially their beloved Reagan.  Speeches cannot change the world but they can help remind the world that America is not a bully nor does it intend to bomb any country which does not do our bidding.  Speeches are diplomacy on a grand scale.  Me thinks the GOP is jealous that their "great communicator" has been replaced with a democratic version.

Several posters made good comments yesterday about the stimulus.  How dumb to say it isn't needed when job losses are still too high, retail sales remains low, foreclosures are still happening.  Apparently the GOP forgets that much of this country is just now getting decent weather to move the shovel ready projects into actual work.  Someone commented that we should not be going into debt with the stimulus yet said we need to spend money on national security protection against N Korea and Iran--debt is debt, and personally, I'd rather see construction work efforts to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure instead of huge military expenditures.  Yes, we need national security but our economic future depends on an energy grid that is modern and doesn't fail us with a wind storm; our economic future demands renewable energy instead of shipping our dollars overseas for oil; our economic future requires a better educated society.  We have enough missiles to defend ourselves.  It's time to spend money on what Americans need to better their individual lives.

As far as McAuliffe goes--if I were a Virginian, I doubt I would vote for someone who moved to my state just to run for governor no matter how qualified that person might be.

Enough already Morning Joe--we're into a second week of book selling debates.  No one will need to buy Scarborough's book because he's told us everything that is in it during these debates.  

Also while doing the research I posted ealier I found some data on "wait times" for testing.

The wait times were the average of several common test routinely requested by doctors in the US and Canada.

For the longest wait times the average for both countries is 4 weeks.
However the difference is the number of people that wait that long.

In the US 23% wait 4 weeks.
In Canada 57% wait 4 weeks.
On the stimulus:  we were told, in the rush to sign this massive bill, that is would certainly keep the unemployment rate under 8%.

Well, it was signed, and unemployment is 9.4%.

So much for the magic mathmatical formula the administration is using to project how many jobs are 'saved'.  -no joe, no bo, nj
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First of all, we were never told that the stimulus bill would "certainly" keep unemployment under 8%. As a matter of fact, the unemployment rate was basically 8% (7.6%) at the time the stimulus was signed.

Clearly it could not have gone into effect fast enough even under a best case scenario (without governors grandstanding and delaying the release of the funds into their state's) to meet the standard that you made up in your post.

If we have learned nothing else, it is that economics is an IMPRECISE science at best.

President Obama is a very talented man, however he cannot predict the future.

What he can do is chart a new direction for our country, learning from past mistakes and implementing new strategies in attempt to make improvements.

And by that standard, President Obama is the only game in town. The Republican party is so invested in their failed ideology, that their pride will not permit them to just admit that their policies, no matter how well intentioned, simply didn't work.

The American people don't expect our politicians to be perfect, just honest and humble enough to change course when it is required.
It is complete madness for a politician to be employed by “the government”, receive health care for life from “the government”, and then tell us that the problem is “the government” Nashville_fan (Sent Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:47 AM)

From a speech by then candidate Barack Obama on 8.26.06

If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists – to protect them and to promote their common welfare – all else it lost…
I see the vomit queens are up and running their insignificant propanganda for all the rest of the sane world to hear.

Anita and Feisty, like Thelma and Louise, are heading for that big Grand Canyon-like cliff.
I see the vomit queens are up and running their insignificant propanganda for all the rest of the sane world to hear.

Anita and Feisty, like Thelma and Louise, are heading for that big Grand Canyon-like cliff.
Well, it was signed, and unemployment is 9.4%.

So much for the magic mathmatical formula the administration is using to project how many jobs are 'saved'.
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:01 AM)
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I believe there was no statement about unemployment rates other than that they would probably go over 10% but the bill was needed to keep it from going to 25%.
"patience -- for the economy to rebound and the stimulus to take effect -- in a country that usually prefers instant gratification." is it the country or the media, just asking....

so much of the debates - stimulus, health care, energy, torture - comes from what the msm decides to hype, the gop talking points, the conservative pundits, right wing and self-aggrandizing radio talk show hosts. the 24/7 cable media has become the plant in "little shop of horrors," constantly screaming "feed me, feed me."
Obama getting credit for the Lebanon election result is not that surprising, considering the media adulation of his presidency.  

However, why was there no mention of the EU elections?  After all, Obama made speeches there, too.  Are we to believe that his speeches are only influential on the outcome of elections when they are favorable to him, but have no impact when the result is less than favorable?  The European elections, by the way, were a big win for the RIGHT.

I am personally of the belief that Obama has NO effect on other country's (or continent's) elections; then again, I don't give him credit for the sun rising in the east.
President Obama and his supporters are doing a great job of marginalizing the right wing.
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Yep, unemployment up, the DOW down, national security a joke, 401K ruined, housing down, consumer index down, GM on the ropes.  And lets mention that Americans trust the Republicans more and Obama polling would be heading toward.
In obama and the democrats we don't trust!

However I’m not sure about her being a Democrat first & foremost.  The last couple of weeks when she’s ‘popped’ in here she has been passionate that’s for sure – but not necessarily in the form of supporting President Obama.  The post that struck me as over the top was when she said she wished Kucinich had won the election.  
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Actually, I think Pam is right on; supporting the president doesn't mean blindly agreeing with everything he does.  Pam supports the president by praising him when he's right and holding him accountable when he does things she disagrees with, or that run counter to his campaign promises.  We should all feel that way toward our elected officials.
This sounds much like our (US) own internal conflict.

NYT-But the global economic crisis has made it clear that Europe remains less than the sum of its parts.
The crisis has presented the European Union with its greatest challenge, but even many committed Europeanists believe that the alliance is failing the test. European leaders, their focus on domestic politics, disagree sharply about what to do to combat the slump. They have feuded over how much to stimulate the economy. They argue about whether the European Central Bank should worry more about the deep recession or future inflation. And they have rushed to protect jobs in their home markets at the expense of those in other member countries.
Didn't uncle newtie ditch one of his wives for a strumpet at the same time he was persectuing clinton for the monica affair? In fact wasn't the wife lying in the hopspital dying of cancer while newt was having his sordid adulterous affair? Nice leader you clowns to the right of me have...lmao
Hi Feisty. I do remember both Pam and I liked Kucinich because of his stance on the Iraq War. But his campaign never took off, so she went to Senator Clinton and I went to Senator Obama. I didn't see Pam's post about Kucinich that you're referring to, but I would guess it has to do with Iraq. I too am very disappointed in us not leaving Iraq. I was never one to want to just up and leave there, but I have the feeling we're going to be there a lot longer than I thought. And that's very disappointing.

Keep up the good work! But please, try posting earlier, I HATE being the first one up!! Lol.

Good job Clara you tampered no joe down, I didn't think any one could do that. He admitted he liked President Obama. Now I understand the rest of what he says is just to make Limbaugh and the Fox boys happy.
To Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA:

Great post . . . and I agree with it all.

I would just add that even though President Bush is no longer in office, the current administration is still dealing with many unfinished situations that he left behind.

There were many things that happened during President Bush's presidency that were beyond his control.

However, many of the things that he could control - Guantanamo for example - are now a major problems that President Bush SHOULD have handled himself.

So even though I don't think that we  can blame every problem on President Bush, I feel that the constant attacks on the 4 month old presidency of Barack Obama have created the evironment where we are often FORCED to REMIND the newly forgetful about the very real legacy of the Bush Administration.
Anita and Feisty, like Thelma and Louise,
Bad Chihuahua (Sent Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:20 AM)
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Anita,  Looks like I’m Thelma (since I’m the redhead) and it’s an honor to have you as Louise! Ohhh Happy Days!

As for this piece of potential road kill…I stand corrected… it wasn’t his flea collar that was too tight that caused his permanent brain damage from oxygen depravation… it’s because he has his widdle nose buried so far up his a@@! That's where he's talking from these days!!!
I don't plan to buy one product that Obie got his dirty little hands on. And I'm sure most of America feels the same way.

The dictator rules for now ... but with a less powerful fist.
Why is that when Pres Obama hears bad news, he ask Congress to step up to the plate and try to come up with solutions, but  when the republicans hear terrible news, they only blame Pres Obama as a failure.  Instead of trying to throw blame around, they should come up with solutions instead of worrying if Sarah Palin and Newt will clash at a dinner event.  News flash, those two will not help the republican party out.  One is a congress reject and the other is trying to stay in the spotlight while trying to multi task saying Obama is a socialist on Fixed News.
Coming out of any recession takes time. The American people need to begin to use some intelligence. If we go back to the last eight years, or back to the Regan years, than we will never be the power we are now.

I read Richard Wolfe's book and it is amazing. What insight into the President. Read the book and you realize how Barack Obama thinks.


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