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Changing attitudes in Pakistan?

Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:53 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Libby Leist


The Obama administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, said today that Taliban offenses in Pakistan are dramatically changing the attitude of the government and people there.

Holbrooke mentioned the bombing of the Pearl Hotel in Peshawar yesterday by "some terrorists" as an example. 

Video: Suicide attackers launched an assault on a luxury hotel commonly used by foreigners Tuesday night, setting off a huge blast that killed at least 11 people and wounded dozens more. NBC's Brian Williams reports.

"My impression is that this is enraging the population,” he said. “It's not going to work provided the government gives the necessary security.”

Holbrooke told reporters that the U.S. has been impressed by the actions of the Pakistani military, but the military knows the "test is still to come." He said the Pakistani government and military must be able to ensure the return of nearly two million refugees who were forced from their homes in the Swat Valley and provide security for them.

"Those camps and those temporary facilities cannot harden into a permanent refugee settlement, as has happened in so many other parts of the world," he stressed. 

When asked if the military will be able to hold Swat, Holbrooke would not predict.

"Let's see," he said.

On a trip last week to Pakistan, Holbrooke visited two of the tent areas where refugees are living -- Shah Mansur in Swabi province and Sheikh Shahzad in Mardan province. He said he came away with the impression that the people were outraged.

"They really understand why the military came in," he said. "They want the Taliban out. They hate them, and they think they have destroyed this piece of heaven, which was Swat."

As a result of this, he said, the Pakistani military feels it has the support of the people for their operations.

"This is a daunting task for Pakistan, which is under so much economic pressure, has so many other problems, a short supply of energy, all the other issues which you're familiar with," he said.

Holbrooke reported that the conditions in tents were not good, but could be worse. Cholera has not yet hit and 80 to 90 percent of the people who have fled Swat are living in private houses or schools.

Holbrooke also stressed the need for more relief funds from other nations because the U.S., he said, is taking on too much of the burden. So far, the U.S. has contributed more than $310 million to the relief effort -- more than half of total international assistance, per Holbrooke's figures.

Video: Holbrooke calls for more international aid to help a growing refugee crisis in Pakistan. His visit comes as a suicide attack on a mosque in the country's northwest kills at least 30 people.

After his Pakistan stop, Holbrooke visited the Gulf states of Oman, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain to line up their support for relief and reconstruction efforts.

"This is a major, major crisis," he said.

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From NBC’s Libby Leist
The Obama administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, said today that Taliban offenses in Pakistan are dramatically changing the attitude of the government and people there.

This is excellent news, excellent indeed.
The problem is that there is no government in Pakistan, at a least not a central one that has control over anything. Pakistan is sliding down the same road as Afghanistan, and nothing is being done to stop the slide from occuring.
Obama reaches out to the Muslims, travels through the Arab lands making speeches and posing for holy pictures. We see the response from the terrorists. A hotel favored by foreigners is blown up.

Obama's plan to make nice with Muslim world sure sounds nice, in theory. In practice, we see the result.
Holbrooke sees it. Too bad Obama isn't listening. Pakistan is collapsing. Not only is North Korea now a nuclear weapon power, now Pakistan's nukes are close to falling into the hands of the terrorists. But Obama will stand up in mosques giving flower speeches of love, all the while the Islamic extremeists laugh at him and see that Obama is weak, a man leading a country with no teeth.
This is excellent news, excellent indeed.
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

Are you deranged? It doesn't matter what the people and governments attitude in Pakistan is, the country is falling into chaos. The Taliban is smacking Pakistan around like it was a rag doll. The country is serioulsy in danger of falling to them.
Meanwhile is the US, extreme right wing fanatical republicans are murdering doctors and Holocaust museum guards. We need to stop the racist, hate speech of the republican machine, we can't afford more Tim McVeighs and Eric Rudolphs.
I think you guys are missing the point. Yes, the people of Pakistan are angry about the latest bombing. Holbrooke considers this encouraging, but its really nothing more than a knee-jerk response to the latest violence. I don't see anything in this article about some kind of real shift in the way Pakastanis think.
Paks Man:
If the people of Pakistan continue to fight against the Taliban then this is a win, win situation for them. At least they are not bowing down to their intimidation.

reading is fundamental:
"They really understand why the military came in," he said. "They want the Taliban out. They hate them, and they think they have destroyed this piece of heaven, which was Swat."

As a result of this, he said, the Pakistani military feels it has the support of the people for their operations.

Concerned American: Man, you have your head in the sand. Our country's primary threat is from Islamic terrorists. There are always have been and always will be fanatics on the extreme right and left, but these groups don't represent millions that have pledged jihad against us and they have financial backing and the weaponry to do major damage.
The Pakistani government has alot to lose if the Taliban and/or AlQaeda get control of the country. They need to keep the pressure on and with our help can finally defang and declaw the militant Muslim radicals. That would certainly make the region and the world safer. Fear mongers of course will try and scare people. Let us hope and pray that the government forces in Pakistan are successful.
Obama reaches out to the Muslims, travels through the Arab lands making speeches and posing for holy pictures. We see the response from the terrorists. A hotel favored by foreigners is blown up.

Obama's plan to make nice with Muslim world sure sounds nice, in theory. In practice, we see the result.
J. Austin (Sent Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:07 PM)

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you are right, we are seeing the result of the new US attitude towards the middle east...the election of a pro-western American government in Lebanon, as opposed to a pro-Iranian on by Hezbollah. Change comes to those who are patient.  Iran will be next, mark my word!
Well, you right-wing nimrods have started spewing your hate so vehemently that now the terrorists that belong to your party have started raising their ugly heads.  Napolitano was right..  Hope you nut cases are satisfied.

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2012!
KJ, Dallas, TX

What in the world are you babbling about? What's this got to do with Palin?
Deb Towns, Jersey (Sent Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:48 PM)
Late to the table again here dear!  What’s she’s talking about it the 90 year old lunatic Anti-Semitic White Supremist home grown terrorist that walked in the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC and opened FIRE on innocent tourists!!!  

GOT IT?  You really should try to keep up
Count Newt (Sent Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:46 PM)

Do you have a link or source for this statement?  
Because, I'm sorry, I just won't be able to take your word for it.

Thanks, much.
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And Pakistan has 240 nuclear weapons, and is currently building more.  
Meanwhile is the US, extreme right wing fanatical republicans are murdering doctors and Holocaust museum guards. We need to stop the racist, hate speech of the republican machine, we can't afford more Tim McVeighs and Eric Rudolphs.
Concerned American (Sent Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:16 PM)

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Hey, didn't Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano issue a warning about an increase in right-wing extremist hate group activity in this country?  I could have sworn I read that memo!
Hey, Concerned American, are you also concerned about the muslim extremist shot shot two army recruiters, killing one and seriously injuring the other?

Of course not-you probably know nothing about it.  Our illustrious media gave it short shrift, and our president barely mentioned it.

Oh, and republicans did not try to label the guy a democrat, either.
First Read, are you sure these posters are humans?  I think you may have been invaded by viral malfaisance (if this makes sense).  These people cannot be real.  Was the left this bad with G.W?  perhaps it's because I wasn't paying this much attention.  I know there were the MoveOn.orgs of the world, but four months in a new administration?  This country is going down the tube if we have these many miserable individuals.  
We naive Westerners think that the army onslaught shows that WE are winning.

The army could have done this a long, long time ago but postponed it till Hillary Clinton told Congress that they were "abdicating control of the region."

With that view, their army thought they might lose the territory permanently to the Americans along with their nukes.

The offensive meant that they could get money (for their nukes, not useful against the Taliban), F16s and night vision devices (not useful against the Taliban who don't bother taking cover of nightfall).

Nothing has changed. This is a play for time.

We're still dealing with the ISI that created the Taliban, an army that sold nukes to N. Korea, Iran and Libya and a country that has more madrassas and militants per capita in the Muslim world.

Wake the heck up, America.
from Concerned American
"We need to stop the racist, hate speech of the republican machine, we can't afford more Tim McVeighs and Eric Rudolphs."

All terrorists are not in the Middle East. I agree that it is really important to lower the temperature here.

Dr. Tiller's murderer predicted more attacks against abortion clinics. We do not need any more crazies running around with guns.

The Noise on Fox is very distorted and more than partisan, yet the commentators take no responsibility for the violence they help unleash. I do note that MSNBC nighttime commentators (Keith, Ed & Rachel) certainly have a liberal agenda but asking for investigations is not the same thing as inciting to riot!

Tone it down, people!
Until the poverty and education in the region is addressed there will be a growth in the terrorist ranks.  President Obama's attempt to show respect for Muslim people and their cultures is a good first step.  Pakistan's military as important as it is to keeping the nation stable is overfunded while other important services fail.  
Packistan. We don't have a dog in that fight. We need to get our selves out of this eternal war involvment mode. Let us stick to selling them guns and planes and sucking their resources. We are not the police of the world


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