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So who won in Iran?

Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:35 PM by Mark Murray

The Associated Press is reporting that the state media in Iran has declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner in that country's presidential election.

But Reuters writes that Ahmadinejad's top challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has called himself the "definite winner."

Shades of Bush vs. Gore in 2000? We'll have more when we see it.

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"Shades of Bush vs. Gore in 2000? We'll have more when we see it."
--Pat Buchanan!!!!!
Careful, the same exit pollers that declared Gore and Kerry winners is also doing the exit polling in Iran. We need to wait this one out. Someone get David Boies on a plane going over there stat!
And it all comes crumbling down for Obama, again.

No Change.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Moussavi.  I see and hear that their country wants change.  Ahmadinejad doesn't seem to represent this.
Anybody see Hillary running around anywhere? Iran, North Korea, Iraq. Haven't heard from the gal pretty much, at all . . . . .
But Reuters writes that Ahmadinejad's top challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has called himself the "definite winner."

waiting on more news!
Memo to Ahmadinejad:

If it comes to a recount, keep Norm Coleman on speed dial...he might be able to recommend some good lawyers for you!
Does Obama make a call to Ahmadinejad to congratulate him? That would be disgusting, but I could see him doing this.
Can we send the justices that voted bush into office to straighten out any recounts in Iran? I don't care if they solve anything, just send them please!
Of course he'll likely win.  Does anyone here really think that any election in a place like Iran is NOT fixed???
Mark, get current that state report according to CNN was based on 20% of the count roughly 5 million votes and he had won close to 70% of those
I heard that Soros is there buying the election, just like he did for Obama.
Yes, I am sure that Ahmadinejab already has Norm Coleman on speed dial.  It may several years before we know the result of this election.  Norm, who would you advise Ahmadinejab to file his first appeal with?
This could get even more interesting.  Since the actual religious leader in Iran does not like Ahmadinejad, one must wonder if that will be the Iranian version of the US Supreme Court decision in Gore v Bush.

Excuse me, DG Houston, but Pres Obama has NEVER  acknowledged Ahmadinejad's congratulatory letter to him so what makes you think he would make a call?  In fact, that ticked off Ahmadinejad enough for him to comment about it in recent interviews.  Maybe you've been listening to too much anti-Obama propaganda.   Have a nice weekend anyway.
No change in the reflex anti-Obama reaction, anyway. Right, Debbie?
This is a clear FAILURE for Obama

I said I would give him credit - now he gets the blame instead.  I personally think this is sad for us, Iran and Obama.
Joe - STL: '...Of course he'll likely win.  Does anyone here really think that any election in a place like Iran is NOT fixed???...'

Yeah, ME !!

Why is it you conservatives always cry FOUL when you lose
It's THEIR Election
It's THEIR Decision

Maybe they want religious leaders to control their country:
No abortion, no gay marriage, no birth control, no death wih dignity, Keep wopmen in their place....

Sounds like the Republican party


Of course he'll likely win.  Does anyone here really think that any election in a place like Iran is NOT fixed???
Joe - STL

They are fixed here in Chicago all the time. There's really not much to doing it.
Does Obama make a call to Ahmadinejad to congratulate him? That would be disgusting, but I could see him doing this. DG, Houston, TX (Sent Friday, June 12, 2009 3:53 PM)

and will the picture from the call show his feet up on the desk?
Anybody see Hillary running around anywhere? Iran, North Korea, Iraq. Haven't heard from the gal pretty much, at all . . . . .
Lewis B., NYC (Sent Friday, June 12, 2009 3:48 PM)
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She is in DC all week. Here is todays schedule:

11:45 a.m.   Bilateral with His Excellency Dr. Fander Falconi Benitez, Minister of Foreign Relations, Trade and Integration of the Republic of Ecuador.

2:30 p.m.   Joint Swearing in Ceremony for the 145th Foreign Service Officer and 52nd Civil Service Orientation.

4:25 p.m.   Officiate swearing in Ceremony for The Honorable Melanne Verveer, Ambassador-At-Large for Global Women’s Issues

SPECIAL BRIEFING:
11:00 a.m.   Todd Stern, the U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change, will brief reporters, on camera, on-the-record, on a U.S. delegation’s June 7-10 trip to China to discuss climate and energy issues.

Memo to Ahmadinejad:

If it comes to a recount, keep christine gregoire on speed dial...she might be able to recommend some good manual counters for you!
Debbie H , Kansas,What the hell does the elections in Iran has to do with Obama crashing,Obama is not the president of Iran,has nothing to  with who gets elected in that country,if you will read upon you history you will find that the US was responsible for the over throw of one democratic elected government in that country already which has caused nothing but trouble for the people of that country ever since then.
Debbie, Kansas: How does the Iranian election have anything to do with Obama? Your observation is wierd.

DG, Houston: Of course the President should call to congratulate the winner.  That is what responsible, classy, and successful leaders do.

It seems our "right-wing" bloggers forget the destructive domestic and foreign policies of the previous administration, and the fruit that erratic irresponsibility bears.  
Does anyone else see democracy in action?  Two candidates having a debate (sometimes heated).  Large numbers of people voting.  The results not something absurd like 95% for one candidate.  So far, no blatant reports of coercion, voter fraud, or voter intimidation.  While the winning candidate may not be the first choice for America, it is still an active democracy.  Yes, we should congratulate the winner and all voters who participated.
Joe-STL,since the US has a histort of fixing elections in Iraq and Iran,it fact all over the region ,you might be correct in you statement.
Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Friday, June 12, 2009 3:50 PM)
technically they aren't all that good, they haven't been able to 'reverse' the will of the voters.  I believe "W" had better lawyers.
A NUT WON.
Remember when the neo-cons said Iran would correct itself because there was a large pro-democracy movement that would be motivated by the miracle in Iraq we were in the process of witnessing?

No, you don't. Because Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. Iran has always been our enemy. No Right Thinking American would have ever suggested that the evil empire of Iran was able to self correct. We correct. With bombs that only strike evil*. We are the givers of liberty and bestowers of democracy.

*Evil is defined as anything hit by our bombs.


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