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The situation in Iran

Posted: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
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“Iran's Guardian Council, a top review panel with responsibility for overseeing the June 12 presidential election, said it had uncovered some irregularities in the polls, finding the number of votes in 50 districts exceeded the number of voters,” the Wall Street Journal says. More: “The Guardian Council announcement, made Monday on state-run media, was the first admission by authorities of voter irregularities. But a council spokesman also said the irregularities were much less wide-spread than unsuccessful opposition candidates had alleged in recent complaints.”

The New York Times: "On Sunday, the police detained five relatives of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president who leads two influential councils and openly supported Mr. Moussavi’s election. The relatives, including Mr. Rafsanjani’s daughter, Faezeh Hashemi, were released after several hours. The developments, coming one day after protests here in the capital and elsewhere were crushed by police officers and militia members using guns, clubs, tear gas and water cannons, suggested that Ayatollah Khamenei was facing entrenched resistance among some members of the elite."



Video: NBC's Richard Engel explains why the Iranian government has chosen to place responsibility for the civil unrest in Tehran on the shoulders of Britain and the United States.

The president, in an interview with CBS to air today, addressed the situation in Iran: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."
 
Yet Obama released a stronger statement over the weekend: "The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

And he also said this in an interview with an English-language newspaper in Pakistan: "We respect Iran’s sovereignty, but we also are witnessing peaceful demonstrations, people expressing themselves, and I stand for that universal principle that people should have a voice in their own lives and their own destiny. And I hope that the international community recognizes that we need to stand behind peaceful protests and be opposed to violence or repression. ... What’s clear is that the Iranian people are wanting to express themselves. And it is critical, as they seek justice and they seek an opportunity to express themselves, that that’s respected and not met with violence."

But Republicans maintain that Obama isn’t speaking strongly enough. Lindsey Graham, for one, called Obama "timid" on Meet the Press.

Chuck Grassley said on CNN's State of the Union: "I believe that we could be more forceful than we have." And: "If America stands for democracy and all of these demonstrations are going on in Tehran and other cities over there, and people don't think that we really care, then obviously they're going to question, do we really believe in our principles?"

Liberal columnist E.J. Dionne writes, “Obama's initial caution served the interests of freedom by making clear that the revolt against Iran's flawed election is homegrown. As the struggle continues, we cannot pretend that we are indifferent to its outcome. It's not easy to walk the progressive path. But Obama has always said that he knows how to deal with complexity. This is his chance to prove it.”

Video: Former Sen. Sam Nunn, D-Ga., and former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., discuss President Barack Obama’s reaction to the post-election unrest in the Islamic Republic with NBC’s David Gregory on “Meet the Press.”

The Washington Post curtain-raises Friday’s Obama-Merkel meeting at the White House, saying that there has been tension between the two. “Since he moved into the White House, Obama has encountered a string of rebukes and lectures from Chancellor Angela Merkel and German lawmakers, who have irritated Washington by refusing to provide more help in fighting the Afghan war or closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, among other disputes. The diplomatic tensions stand in contrast to the rapturous greeting candidate Obama received in Berlin last July, when an estimated 200,000 people jammed the streets.”

“The sorest point has been over how to respond to the economic crisis, with Merkel and some of her ministers warning darkly that U.S. fiscal and monetary policies have been reckless and will trigger a global wave of inflation. In turn, Obama's advisers have complained that Germany -- the world's leading exporter and Europe's largest economy -- has done the least of any industrialized nation to fight the recession.”

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First Read: Obama: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."

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And Winston Churchill and FDR rolled over in their graves.

What would have happened if those two had made comments like Obama is doing? Obama is like the wimpy guy on the sidewalk when a street fight breaks out and as he runs aways he says: "I don't want to get involved"
I can't stand that journalists are being forced to leave Iran now. "The world 'really' is watching".
http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/06/more-media-blackouts-in-iran.html
Iran's Guardian Council, a top review panel with responsibility for overseeing the June 12 presidential election, said it had uncovered some irregularities in the polls, finding the number of votes in 50 districts exceeded the number of voters,” the Wall Street Journal says. More: “The Guardian Council announcement, made Monday on state-run media, was the first admission by authorities of voter irregularities. But a council spokesman also said the irregularities were much less wide-spread than unsuccessful opposition candidates had alleged in recent complaints.”

Talk about election 2000 in America, there was voter supression....so tell me something? Those that oppose the president's handling of this situation, where were you self righteous SOB's during the 2000 election in this country. The pot can't call the kettel black.
I did spend alot of time watching whats going on in Iran.  My heart goes out to the people of Iran.  It gives me hope that the people of Iran want things to change.  Where is NEDA'S vote?  

Then I spent alot of time watching anybody and everybody analyze Pres Obama's stand on this.  We sure are opinionated people!(myself included)
 I will back our Pres no matter how he handles this.  I truly believe if it were McCain handling this we would be in another war!  The answer to everything for some people.  Look where we are at now with wars.
I happened to catch MTP, boy was that interesting.  DG was like an attack dog when it came to Netanyahu.  Wish he would attack Repugs and ask them where is their plan for health care!  
And Spineless BoBo's response is ...

"Its Fox's Fault"
"Its Isreal's Fault"

BoBo - the only president in history to blame EVERYTHING on someone else!

Israeli Poll: Only 6 Percent See Obama as Pro-Israel
Only 6 percent of Jewish Israelis consider the views of American President Barack Obama's administration pro-Israel, according to a new Jerusalem Post-sponsored Smith Research poll.

Another first for an american president!!!

Thanks for the Change - NOT
Iranian Official Admits Nuclear Program Is Not Peaceful

Remember when the Iranians left blueprints for a nuclear warhead lying around, and then told the IAEA inspectors that the regime "received them inadvertently while purchasing its nuclear equipment on the black market decades ago"? Well, accidents will happen.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/iranian_official_admits_nuclea.asp

BoBo needs to ask Michelle how to respond - afterall, she appears to be the one with the gonads.  He is a spineless clown!!!
Just heard from Contessa Brewer that the police and thugs are cracking down on the brave protesters in Iran.  That's pretty conclusive proof of vote rigging when 50 districts are reporting more votes cast than eligible voters.  No wonder Iran was touting a record voter turnout, old Ahmadi had preplanned the vote rigging and wanted cover for his misdeed by declaring a record turnout.

President Obama is playing his hand perfectly and the repugnant ones are once again warmongering idiots who want belligerence instead of diplomacy.  Just what can we do to right the situation in Iran, use military force?  Yeah the evil elephants want to start yet another christian crusade against another Muslim state.

In Obama We Trust!
Free Iran!
It is inconceivable to me how people like Perry in Ohio don't get this.  As soon as Iran is able to make the United States and Great Britain the issue, the hardliners win. The only appropriate response is what President Obama has done thus far.  Journalists being forced to leave Iran are a reminder to all of us of the importance of a free press.  The Fourth Estate has a special obligation to honestly report and help to keep the pressure on totalitarian govts.  It is no surprise that the hardliners in Iran want them out.
Sounds like Senator Lindsey Graham has been hanging around Mr. "Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran" for too long.

He describes President Obama's response as "timid".

Hey, Senator Graham, let me ask you what I ask everyone else...has it occurred to you that Moussavi's cause is better served by President Obama's silence?

Ahmadinejad and Khamenei want their supporters to believe that the demonstrations in Iran are the result of tampering by the West when we all know that's a bunch of crap!  The last thing those protestors need is for the President of the United States to make a bold statement that fuels the hardline, anti-American supporters in Iran!

The GOP really needs to keep their pets on a leash!
First Read: Obama: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."

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And Winston Churchill and FDR rolled over in their graves.

What would have happened if those two had made comments like Obama is doing? Obama is like the wimpy guy on the sidewalk when a street fight breaks out and as he runs aways he says: "I don't want to get involved"
Perry Masteed, Ohio (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:25 AM)

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...and the question now goes to you...has it ever occurred to you that Moussavi, his supporters and their cause are better served by President Obama remaining silent?

The last thing the protestors in Iran need is for the President of the United States to say too much.

Ahmadinejad and Khamenei want their supporters to believe that the protests in Iran are the result of meddling and tampering by the United States.  The more President Obama says, the more fuel is thrown onto that fire!

The less President Obama says, the more obvious it will be to Ahmadenijad, Khamenei and their supporters that this is their own problem.

PS - You might want to go back and review the Cairo speech!
When Obama gets a backbone maybe we can get something done about Iran. Too much the wuss.
That's right you half-wit, war-mongering repukes - let's get Mr. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb - Bomb, Bomb Iran in there to speak for the U.S. I wish you repukes would all just move into this Idiotville Texas, secede from the U.S., start your own warring little country - and blow your damned selves up.
If John McCain had won the election,(thank God he didn't) the USA would have already bombed Iran.
Obama has no idea what he is doing.
I am constantly amazed at how stupid many of us Americans are.

To seek to make an IRANIAN STRUGGLE an American issue is insane enough on its own.

But to use this brave struggle as YET another weapon to batter a President the GOP obviously don't want in office is PSYCHOTIC!!

What is presently going on in Iran now has no correlation to WWII, Churchill, or the constantly revised history of Reaganism.

The Iranian people or Mousavi have not asked for the US or any other nation's help.

They began this struggle for reasons of their own, without approval or support from the outside world, and to suddenly expect President Obama (above all other global leaders) to jump into the mix of it is LUDICROUS!!!!


Another episode from the Twilight Zone:

The Republican Congress critters are comparing their debates shut off by the Democrats to what the Iranian protesters are going through. As if Nancy Pelosi is hitting them with steel bars and teargasing them rather than using the routine parliamentary procedures followed by most democracies to keep the Repubs from ranting indefinitely just for the sake of obstructionism.

It's one thing when one person says something stupid, but 4 or 5 Repubs have been saying this stuff about how they're suffering opression like the Iranians. It's amazing how they start parroting each other's talking points without first considering how rediculous and whiney it makes them appear. Or maybe it's more than appearances. I these clowns ARE ridiculous whiners.
So--you don't like what the President is doing?  What is your idea on what he should do?  Please entertain us with your ideas!  Not Rhetoric!  Ideas not tlaking points!!!!
Foreign policy EXPERTS in the US and other Western nations have consistantly stated that President Obama must measure his words. We cannot be seen as meddling in their affairs but at the same time must get the word out that what is happening in Iran is not something we condone. They have nearly unanimously stated that the President's response has been just exactly as it should be.

We cannot use cowboy shoot first and ask questions later "diplomacy" as we have done in the recent past. That makes more enemies than friends.
For all those who now, have quite critical opinions of the way President Obama is handling the IRAN crisis...If you were this engaged and opininated about the BUSH-CHENEY pre-war policies, just maybe we would NOT be in Iraq and the tension in the middle-east would not be at the level it is today. Please, crawl back under your rocks until this crisis is over!
for the Love of God and Country - is there ANYTHING we can all stand together on?? How can we encourage democracy and solidarity in any other culture when we cannot and cerainly do not display it in our own???
Perry in Ohio, BoBo & Empty Suit: "Get a life" and involve your energy in some worthy community interest service - you will all feel better about yourselves.  
Sen. Richard Lugar and Henry Kissinger both say that President Obama is handling this the way it should be handled. Sorry to all the posters who feel "they" know best!
I just hope that people remember that the last time that we did any serious interference in Iran, the government that was friendly to us was overthrown!  If we give any kind of overt support (or something that can be traced back to us), there will be hell to pay.  There is only so much we can do and not be interferring in a theocratical state.  I don't want this government overthrown with help by us to have something more dangerous put in place.
OBAMA WHIMPERS WHILE THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOUTS.
When Obama gets a backbone maybe we can get something done about Iran. Too much the wuss.
Moon Dawg (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:47 AM)
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Then once he starts a conflict with Iran, then we also fight Korea, and then hope we have no more problem with any other country.  Also if we go into Iran, it gives other countries a reason to try to arm them self's.  

We can't police the world, because after we go in, we will have another country asking us to stay and spend more money.  lets just start international Welfare...if you can't run your country, H#ll we will...

Why do some American's cry over a stimulus but then say it's okay to spend money on conflict?????

Once we do that we must now go to Africa, and any other country who are having problems.
BoBo needs to ask Michelle how to respond - afterall, she appears to be the one with the gonads.  He is a spineless clown!!!

BoBo the Prez (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:34 AM)


BoBo wasn't it you who was calling some one out on name calling? Do you know what the meaning of hypocrite is? Look it up, cause you are one, big time.
FR “Iran's Guardian Council, a top review panel with responsibility for overseeing the June 12 presidential election, said it had uncovered some irregularities in the polls, finding the number of votes in 50 districts exceeded the number of voters,” the Wall Street Journal says. More: “The Guardian Council announcement, made Monday on state-run media, was the first admission by authorities of voter irregularities. But a council spokesman also said the irregularities were much less wide-spread than unsuccessful opposition candidates had alleged in recent complaints.”

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The Guardian Council said that there were 3 Million extra votes not the 11 Million that was alleged.  This is unbelieveable.  MN is arguing about 300 or so votes and the Iran Guardian Council ammits to 3,000,000 bogus votes.  

President Obama is taking the correct possition.  He has supported free elections and free discent and has and will up the statements as needed.  

Why does the minority party think taking a measured, wise, Gary Cooper kind of response is timid?
They are using this tragedy to attack our President.  How unamerican can you get.
I support President Obama's response to Iran and letting the Iranian people work it out.  Republicans would be the first to scream and yell If another country meddled in our elections, so I believe that our President has had the right tone.  We all feel for the Iranian people and what they are going through, but they are the ones who have to change things in their country, not us.  Republicans need to butt out, and stop making trouble.  It's always war for them, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, what idiots.  Thank god they are not in power, otherwise we would be in another war if it were up to out of touch-war mongering McCain and all his cronies.  Thank god we have an intelligent, educated President who thinks before he acts.  

In Obama we trust.
To Idot: Moon Dawg

And where did your cowboy dead or alive get us. I'm guessing you never served in the Military did you. But you'll continue to be tough as long as you can stay in your bunker and don't have to back your words up. Hypocrite
First Read: Obama: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."

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And Winston Churchill and FDR rolled over in their graves.

What would have happened if those two had made comments like Obama is doing? Obama is like the wimpy guy on the sidewalk when a street fight breaks out and as he runs aways he says: "I don't want to get involved"
Perry Masteed, Ohio (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:25 AM)
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lol... why do some American's think other country's want our help???? They want to use us... to get leverage.   What is a Sunni? What is a Shia?  what made them divide?  Who are the 12 imam?  What is the government structure?  Who is the real leader of Iran?  How many type of muslims live in Iran?  

You don't understand the culture, but you attack a man who know's the best route.  The reason we are in the other conflicts is because the last Admin didn't understand Western Asia, Arabian Peninsula....etc. (Middle east is a western nick name,put western asia in google and see what comes up).  Learn the Area... Learn how Turkey got it's land.  also remember the group that is in power is due to use...  Don't talk down to a man that wants to help his country; if you do, then know what you are talking about... That's to all the clowns who uses the news as a classroom.

That's right you half-wit, war-mongering repukes - let's get Mr. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb - Bomb, Bomb Iran in there to speak for the U.S. I wish you repukes would all just move into this Idiotville Texas, secede from the U.S., start your own warring little country - and blow your damned selves up.

Brian, Cedar Hill, TX (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:48 AM)

Amen:
For all people who want Pres. Obama & US to involve in Iran, you don't learn from the history.  Almost every thing US touched, turned into blood shed and life of hundred thousand innocent people lost. For example VN, US designed and helped overthow the 1st regime: NDDiem,then builded the puppet DMinh, NKhanh and NThieu. The NVN Communist took advantage of US military in VN as a reason for invating SouthVN = Liberaty SVN from US imperialist. In 1972 Kissinger & Repub. sold VN to Russia & China for Middle East.  US & Repub. cowardly withdew from VN, the result was 1975, NVN captured the south and kill hundred thousand of Vietnamese and millions of Vietnamese fled the country for their freedom and thousand of them died at sea.  Iranians want freedom from their marty government, they must fight for themselves.  US should never involve in other countries.  American principles & values won't match for other countries. Don't force American principles & valued down to other country's people throats.  Do Americans live up with their principles & values?  History will repeat if US involve in Iran.
First read never post my comments, so I hope they post this one.
Obama has no idea what he is doing.

Empty Suit (Sent Monday

Do you guys realize how stupid you sound to 75% of the country. Nothing to say just anger, man grow up already.
Jewish World Review June 22, 2009

Where are American Jews?
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Israel is indeed the focus of U.S. pressure and bullying. The threat to peace in the Middle East, says our current administration, emanates not from Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad or Arab nationalism, but from Israel. The U.S. is casting Israel in the classic Jewish role of scapegoat, blaming her for all of the region's problems.

If Jews go silent during the 2010 elections and allow apathy, fear or political preference to prevent them from speaking up for Israel, the bullying will increase and the worst and most deadly outcomes will become real possibilities.
Okay....to the "Necon Version of Cheech and Chong"....McCain and Graham.....What would you have Obama do....pull the troops out of Iraq today and send in the tanks over there?  Where else should we spread our troops and our big mouth rhetoric?  If a lot of "Moderate Republicans" AGREE with Obama on the  handling of Iraq....than I would have to say to you two senators --  With all due respect.....Mount a Tank and drive into the Country yourselves.
Good job Mr. President. The strange situation going on in Iran is basically an Iranian problem. Besides, we have our own group of strange people here in the U.S. to contend with. Our group takes from the poor and gives to the rich. They allow the sick to die without healthcare to make insurance companies richer and never saw a conflict they did not want to escalate into a war.
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, ... but there must never be a time when we fail to protest it."
                      --- Elie Wiesel

OBAMA'S "LACK OF STRONG PROTEST" WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HIM --- HE HAS LOST THE IRANIAN PEOPLE!
I'm still wondering why neither side has really acted boldly. If I were leading the green wave in Iran I would mysteriously disappear these Basiji guys by arresting them in the night, etc. They do a raid and walla they mysteriously never exit the house. Then the next day do a demostration unopposed. When asked who knows where these Basiji guys went. I mean they are normal folks, the Iranians know where they live so whats the big problem. Likewise at the same time Rafsanjani just needs to pull a military coup and if the top level won't I bet their subordinates would be willing to arrest them and take charge. Then realtively little bloodshed you just replace Khameini. Boom problem solved. So whats all this foot dragging over there. As to Obama, its highly likely that if we had anyone BUT Obama in office these events would have never occured for various reasons including: having the rest of the world watch us have a transformational election, the fact that we elected a guy named Hussein, and Obama's Cairo speech. So if you guys think Obama had nothing to do with whats going on in Iran you would be mistaken.
Could most Americans even pick Iran out on an unmarked map? I think not, embaressingly enough.
I was in Iran during the last revolution of 1979 and it's aftermath--80% OF THE PEOPLE AT THAT TIME MOURNED THAT THE MULLAHS HAD SLIPPED IN AND TAKEN OVER.  They have been suffering ever since and they have taught their children quietly.
Obama is doing the right thing in this very tricky situation.
Instead of criticizing him, why don't you actually attempt to learn something about this brave and long suffering country. Like hey--they don't speak Arabic and are not Arab, they speak an Indo-european language that is closely related to english. No camels there either.  Iran means Aryan, hmmmmmmmmm......


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