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First thoughts: Ramping up the rhetoric

Posted: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:18 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Ramping up the rhetoric: As the violence and protests escalated in Iran on Saturday, President Obama stepped up his criticism about what’s happening there. “The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching,” he said in a statement. “We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.” But the toughest domestic political rhetoric on Iran is coming from Republicans. This is one of those cases where Democrats and the White House are wondering what the reaction would be if the roles were reversed -- i.e., Democrats criticizing a GOP administration’s response on foreign policy. Indeed, Republicans regularly beat up Democrats for supposedly politicizing international issues (do remember that the establishment Democratic Party didn’t start truly criticizing the situation in Iraq until two-plus years after the war began). But who’s politicizing now? Also, it's worth noting that the criticism from Republicans is NOT universal. In fact, the GOP establishment on this issue is more divided than the coverage is suggesting.

Video: Former foreign policy adviser to President George W. Bush, Dan Senor, discusses whether President Obama's statements to the Iranian government have been delivered with enough strength to convince the Iranian people that America supports them.

*** With friends like these…: So let's get this straight: Barack Obama won last year’s presidential election by seven percentage points (53%-46%) campaigning, in part, for some form of universal health care; his party is about to have 60 votes in the Senate; polls show the country is receptive to overhauling health care; and the president's approval rating is between 56-60%. But Senate Democrats, like Dianne Feinstein, now say that Obama might not have the votes to pass health care? "I think there's a lot of concern in the Democratic caucus," she said on Sunday, per the AP. The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait may very well have been right a couple of months ago, when he wrote that Dem-controlled Congresses (during Carter and Clinton) have tended to handcuff Democratic presidents, and that may be happening now. Does anyone think that if a Republican president wanted health-care reform and had a GOP-controlled Congress and 60 Republicans in the Senate, that the reform wouldn’t pass? 

*** Good news for Dems on health care? After a week of mostly bad news, advocates for a public/government option got some good news on Sunday, when the aforementioned CBS/NYT poll showed 72% backing a government-administered health insurance plan, mirroring what our recent NBC/WSJ poll found. The CBS/NYT survey also “found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.” Yet a GOP Resurgent Republic poll is out pushing back a bit. According to the poll, more than eight in 10 respondents are very or somewhat satisfied with their care, and 52% say they prefer that their taxes not be increased, even if it means that NOT all Americans get health insurance. One thing to keep in mind on health care polling is that you can always get a result to back up your position on the overall issue. Of course no one wants their taxes increased; of course no one wants to see the best parts of their health insurance changed. So what's the right answer? As one Republican aide put it in an email over the weekend: Everyone likes ice cream, but not everyone likes rum-raisin ice cream. So it’s figuring out the flavor that's difficult. One thing adding to the pressure for Democrats is history and the need to show the country a change. A public/government option may be the only way voters touch and feel "change" in health care. 

Video: The very latest on the crisis in Iran with NBC's Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel. Then, an analysis of President Obama's on-going domestic challenges with the economy and health care reform.

*** Prescription drugs and tobacco: Sticking with health care, the Obama administration and key Senate Dems seemed pretty fired up over PhRMA's decision to lower the cost of prescription drugs. "After weeks of secret talks, the pharmaceutical industry trade group voted Friday to dedicate $80 billion to lowering the price of medicines sold to seniors and the government. The unusual offer by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) is part of its effort to convince skeptical lawmakers that it backs major health-care legislation.” The president will tout this announcement today at noon ET at the White House. Also today, at 2:00 pm ET, Obama signs into the law the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

*** Stimulus politics: By the way, today’s piece in the Washington Post about the economy and the stimulus will be a boon to Republican press secretaries today. “The likelihood of severe unemployment extending into the 2010 midterm elections and beyond poses a significant political hurdle to President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are already under fire for what critics label profligate spending,” the paper writes. “Continuing high unemployment rates would undercut the fundamental argument behind much of that spending: the promise that it will create new jobs and improve the prospects of working Americans, which Obama has called the ultimate measure of a healthy economy.”

 *** You gotta know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em: Back in April, we wrote that Norm Coleman -- by taking his appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court and delaying what seems to be the inevitable -- lost his chance to bow out gracefully. Now with the state Supreme Court’s ruling perhaps days away, Matt Bai made an interesting observation in the New York Times magazine. “It used to be that when a candidate lost by a few suspect votes, the first question that arose was whether he would seek a rematch… Now, it seems, the first question anyone asks — at least since the 2000 presidential quagmire — is for how long you intend to fight the results in court.” Bai then makes this conclusion about American society in general: Fewer and fewer people are good losers. “Being fired from a job becomes the beginning of a negotiation, while a routine school suspension instantly goes to appeal. In part, this is probably the inevitable reckoning for a culture that gives trophies to every Little Leaguer because, as the saying goes, we’re all winners.”  

*** Kennedy goes to bat for Dodd: In Connecticut, Ted Kennedy has cut a TV ad for vulnerable Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd, who’s up for re-election next year. “Quality health care as a fundamental right for all Americans has been the cause of my life, and Chris Dodd has been my closest ally in this fight,” Kennedy says to the camera in the ad. “Today more than ever, we have a real opportunity to bring healthcare reform to Connecticut and all across America, and I believe that with Chris Dodd’s leadership, our families will finally have accessible, affordable health care.” It's rare to see any glimpse of Kennedy on camera, so no doubt this was the ultimate favor for Dodd to ask. Follow this 2009 push carefully by Dodd. One gets the sense he's pulling out all the stops this year to see if he can improve his changes significantly this year. If he can't, he's got plenty of time to change his mind about re-election, right? 

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To Alan, NJ:

Do you think that all the money that the Republican party has been allowing businesses to hide in offshore tax havens could help pay for health care?

I think it will.

How about if we regulate the financial industry and not be on the hook every 15 years for BILLIONS OF DOLLARS  trying to bail them out from their latest "fraud of the decade"?

Sounds like a money saver to me.

What if we sued the health insurance industry for some of our money back, since they collect our premiums on the front end and deny our claims on the back end?

I'm thinking we have a strong case.

What if we stop attacking sovereign nations and running up 10 BILLION dollar A MONTH bills with poorly run foreign adventures to "keep us safe"?

I think we just hit the jackpot.
Congress people are well paid - by us and the lobbyists.

Repeal Congressional healthcare now.

We can't afford it anymore, right?
Nashville_fan


The incessant whining from the left continues. What's next, holding your breath until you turn blue?
Bobo the Prez:  You are right, I was a bit "snarky". So let's deal with some facts.  In the past the "loyal oppostion"  remained loyal as it pertains to foreign affairs.  In the past 10 days the conservatives, like Cantor, Boehner, McCain have tried to make news by critizing our President relative to handling the Iranian affair.  

Granted, Bush received his share of grief regarding the handling of Iraq. But to my way of thinking, starting a preemptive war deserves some comment.

Thank you for your comment. I'll work harder sticking to the facts.
Ofcourse the repugnant ones want to blame the high unemployment on President Obama instead of placing the blame where it belongs with the bushwhacker and the repugnant ones.  Let's not forget that the repugnant ones got that outsourcing jobs tax credit passed so they could break the back of the Democratic Party by breaking the back of organized unionized labor.  The repugnant ones only created less than 3 million jobs during the bushwhacker's reign of economic terror comnpared to over 23 million under Bill Clinton.  President Obama is the one caught holding the bag on the job losses that started under Clueless George and he is doing the right thing with the stimulus package to reverse the job loss trend started by the evil elephants.

See how President Obama got Big Pharma to cut costs by $80 billion over the next 10 years, something the bushwhacker could never do.  Oh yeah the bushwhacker passed that garbage legislation that ensured that big pharma could rip us off on drug prices for many years to come.  About time we have a president who works for the people instead of big business.

I can't wait to see what Ed Schultz has in store for his Op Ed and Psycho Talk segments.  Hopefully Bachmann Moron Overdrive or Sinner Sarah has said something clueless over the weekend but I'm sure some repugnant one has said something totally clueless for Ed to mock.  I also look forward to seeing who makes Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World for today.

In Obama We Trust!
Nashville
If a foreign country attacked us today, would we not retaliate because we can't afford it?

Would this be a one-off expenditure or a continuing annual expense?  Are you comparing WW2 which was over in 3 - 4 years or a lifetime entitlement?  If we cover everybody for the next 3 years and then stiop would you be happy?
Alan, NJ
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I disagree with your premise- war costs don't stop when the war ends . . . we still have a lifetime of care for the wounded soldiers and usually we stick around to "rebuild" what we destroyed.

Also, I will only be happy with a system that is built around the REALITY that people get sick, whether or not they are employed and whether or not they are insured.

That is a simple fact that is not going away. Plan for it, budget for it, and move on like the civilized nation we claim to be.
Seems Jeff Zucker doesn’t care that MTP’s rating are tanking faster than Titanic!  Now they’ve given Dr. Nancy Schneiderman her own show starting next week!  I mean COME ON I like Dr. Nancy but what qualifies her for a daily hour show!
David Gregory has GOT TO GO…
Replace him NOW with Lawrence O’….
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
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Dr. Nancy doesn't have thirty minutes to an hour of information to give me. Like you said, she's okay, not a show...please. They really do need to work on MTP. My child learned politics watching that show and I grew up watching that show. I would hate to see it go down the tubes.

David Gregory has to go!!!

Why, instead of debating facts - you resort to name calling?

Resorting to name calling is a true sign that you know you dont have the facts to back up a weak position.  In debate class its called the "WEAK POSITION"
BoBo the Prez (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:41 AM)

Your argument is baseless based on your name!
Stop North Korea's ship and BOARD the damn thing. If there's trouble, there's trouble.

I wish Obama would learn to rise to the occasion instead of having the occasion manipulate him.
Monkberry Moon


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That's all those tough UN sanctions Obama talks about. This particular "tough" sanction says that we can ask the NKoreans real nice if we can come on board their ship and see what the cargo is. The NKoreans though can say "No, we don't want you to come aboard.". That's it, now no one can board.

You have to admit though, for the wimp Obama, that's pretty tough.
Iran.  The question for republicans is, what do they want.  They have no credibility on middle east foreign relations yet they criticise non stop.  Getting old.  Good discussion about this on Morning Joe and I appreciate the good sense of everyone who participated except Dan Senor.  I'm not positive but I believe the group Senor represents is a neoconservative think tank on foreign relations.  What a worthy thought he had wanting Pres Obama to call Iran evil; axis of evil does nothing except harden views of America--we already know what Bush's cowboy talk did when he used that term.

What I like most about democrats (nongroup think) is also what drives me crazy.  I don't mind their splintering off on some issues but big legislation like health care deserves a united front.  Guess we left wingers need some realism about health care; getting legislation passed may mean that it won't be exactly what we want but it is a start to be built on as the economy improves.  It is frustrating that republicans and some democrats will "print" money to fight wars but not to fight a war for quality health care for everyone.  BTW, democrats need to start fighting the battle of chatter; right now the GOP monopolizes the discussion.  Come on House and Senate dems, get out there.  Everytime the GOP has a press conference, have one immediately afterwards to defend against the attacks otherwise, the GOP wins the war of words.  

The drug companies seem to have gotten Pres Obama's message about savings.  This should be viewed as a success for democrats.  Bush and republicans were in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies, senior citizens and we the taxpayer paid the price of GOP failure to negotiate drug prices.

Matt Bai has it exactly right and I agree.  Can't add anything to his comments.  

I watched MTP Sunday.  I like David Gregory as a person but find his method of questioning annoying, it is backward.  For example he asked Netanyahu (sp) if he thought Pres Obama was responding properly to the Iranian issue instead of asking for the Israeli prime ministers thoughts--Gregory was attempting to get the PM into a debate with Obama; fortunately, the PM did not take the bait.  As others have said, he plays "gotcha" and his questions are more for criticism and to start a fight than for quality discussion.  
where do we get the notion that pre-paid medical care is your right to simply have from the hand of the government?  That's what the debate is about is it not?  Not whether you have the right to medical care, because anyone can walk into a hospital and pay for medical care. Hell, if its an emergency they have to treat you regardless.  But I'm interested in this "right" to government sponsored healthcare where do you get it from?  Is it a feeling?  Did you have a dream at night where a magical dragon told you it was your inherent right?  Did the Ghost of Thomas Paine visit you and say it was a lost chapter in his book the "rights of man' that couldn't be published because even in his day the evil conservatives were fighting it.  

I think the truth is you want it very bad so because a lot of people want it we have decided it is our right.  This is what political commentary on News stations does to people.  Some blowhard feels it's his or her responsibility to convince you their opinion on something is so great that we should just say it's a natural right.

On another note Pharm companies are getting behind the plan eh?  If that isn't a bad omen I don't what is.  Of course the government under Obama has a special immunity to corruption right?  Pharm companies just want to support our president because he is awesome at being president...yeah that's it.  His awesomeness will overcome special interest and greed.
After a week of mostly bad news, advocates for a public/government option got some good news on Sunday, when the aforementioned CBS/NYT poll showed 72% backing a government-administered health insurance plan, mirroring what our recent NBC/WSJ poll found. The CBS/NYT survey also “found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.”

And yet the minority continues to plug away with their silliness. Amazing isn't it? Again and again the once GOP don't care about the will of the people and go for the will of the party these days. They'll spout their daily talking points handed down from on high either from Cheney or Limbaugh or some other supreme leader (certainly not Steele), and off we go again with all their laughable BS for another week or another day. It would really be pathetic if it weren't so laughable.
This morning on Morning Joe, Jack Welsh said that the 3 people sitting at that table would be OK as far as healthcare - that they had enough money and would always get the care they wanted.  And after all, isn't that's what's important?  That those with money are taken care of and OK?  As for the rest of us, it's far too expensive to have affordable healthcare for all. We can just go out and jog a mile, stay fit and healthy, maybe write a book and get money that way!  Yeah, that's the ticket.  Any advice on that one Joe?  
Still wondering why Pelosi isn't being investigated for lying and why Barney Frank isn't in jail.

Still wondering .... I guess the libs don't want to do the right thing. It's more lib BS for America to swallow.
First Read: Obama: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."

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And Winston Churchill and FDR rolled over in their graves.

What would have happened if those two had made comments like Obama is doing? Obama is like the wimpy guy on the sidewalk when a street fight breaks out and as he runs aways he says: "I don't want to get involved"
Perry Masteed, Ohio (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:25 AM)

You are right, these do did roll over, but not in their graves...you must not be a big student of history.  You think the moment Hitler started his Poland invasion that these two stepped in?  
So--you don't like what the President is doing about Iran?  PLease without using talking points what would you have the President do?
Health care---with members of Congress having ties to the health/insurance/drug industries, what would you offer to bring affordable health care to this country, one that allows the doctors/patients determine the best treatment plan and be covered by health insurance, again please leave out the talking points, your ideas!!!!!!!
W.
Ms. Palin
Mr. Beck
Ms. Prejean



Thanks.


Anita, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:56 AM)

"Sorry to say old fellow. Opinion's are like ass h****, everybodys got one including you. He will serve another term."

Thank you so much for that penetrating insight, all your devoted fans are now so much better informed.  And such a flowery manner of expression, so erudite.

By the way, unlike yours my post did not contain an 'opinion.'  So by your own words, I guess we all know what you are.
Nashville:
Stop all government run health care for all government workers.

Stop all governement assistance to states after natural disasters.

Stop all subsidies to all corporations/business entities of any kind.

1) Not their fault.  Totaly agree that elected officials should have no health benefits

2) Single expense, not an on-going commitment.

3) Could not agree more.  However, I have been waiting for two years for President Obama to call for an end to ethanol subsidies so I'm not holding my breath.  BTW  Most corporate and farm subsidies are included in the budget proposal put forward by the Obama administration and passed by the Democratically controlled congress.

Both parties feed at the same trough
Lisa Staak, NC

You mean after eight years? I am sure that it will pale in comparison to his Inheritances. And yes mama we will keep the shitty mess up front and in your faces. Bush did it and it wasn't just a small boo boo. It has been life shattering to many, many, Americans...missy.
Headlines are another website:

1) Iran Revolutionary Guard threatens protesters...

2) NKorea threatens to harm USA if attacked...

3) Al Qaeda says would use Pakistani nukes on USA...

Obama's response to each: "I don't want to meddle."
Isn't it great when public opinion is going to be American policy?! Healthcare healthcare healthcare!
Excellent point, Feisty Redhead, about the PPO system in health care.  The democrats on the Hill and Pres Obama need to pound that point constantly and use examples like yours to make the case.  If the dems used simple examples like that, republicans and conservative democrats could justify health care reform.  I have no problem with some profit in healthcare in order for hospitals and doctors to make improvements but 35% profit for insurance companies is crazy.  They're making that money off employers and everyone of us through increased rate prices plus off the very people who can least afford $12,000 or ??? more--no wonder so many people go bankrupt because of medical bills.
What's with all the name calling from both sides?

No wonder we can't get anything done in this country! This is how children behave, not adults. Nothing will ever get done until we all grow up and start acting like responsible adults.
The WMD croud should simply shut up. They can't seem to lead, they can't seem to follow, so shut up and simply get out of the way so our our president can do his job.
Oh whiners where art thou.The party of the lost is using this issue to pound there chest and make tarzan screams to get attention.See getting seen has become there battle cry,while during the election you couldn't find a soul to talk about how they where out smarted,out worked,out done, by the new party in control.So crying has become a full day for most of the torture elected ones.Saw 120 seconds of MTP,saw Chuckie defending the former president for being a republican,sorry Chuckie but isn't that Steel mans job,and Can"tor,and Boner.And your snarky remark about the WH falling for the bait,you thought you where so funny.Maybe a seat in the back of the press room will make you feel at home.
Bill, Fairfax, VA

Sorry to say old fellow. Opinion's are like ass h****, everybodys got one including you. He will serve another term.

Obama/Biden 2012!!
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama


What's telling is this is the same attitude that Obama and his administration project. Maybe it's that time of the month or something, but the anger over the health care plan crumbling has really pushed a lot of liberals to their breaking point. They thought they were going to get a whole lot of free stuff, but now that's turning out not to be true. Hence we see the anger.
Two million Pakistani citizens displaced by fighting in their country?

The United States sends over $300 million dollars in aid.

Remember that skirmish between Russian and Georgia? Didn't we send 1 billion dollars to help?

$47+ million people trapped OUTSIDE of the for-profit health care system in our country for YEARS?

The United States "debates" whether healthcare is a "right" or a "privelege".

In Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq , and Georgia (as long as it is overseas), the Republican party is willing to pay ANY PRICE . . . they tell OTHER COUNTRIES how GREAT our system of government is.

Here at home? Different story.

The Republcan Party tells us how HORRIBLE our government is, how it can't be trusted, and how we can't AFFORD to help our fellow Americans.

They worry about who is a citizen of America and who is not HERE, but if you live OVERSEAS, American citizenship is not an issue if you need help . . .

Strange, no?
MONDAYS HEADLINES.
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Iran Revolutionary Guard threatens protesters...
Iran starts airforce maneuvers in Gulf...
North Korea threatens to harm USA if attacked...
Planned launch unnerves Hawaii residents...
Ship suspected of carrying missiles...
Al Qaeda says it would use Pakistani nukes on USA...
Numbers on Welfare See Sharp Increase...
BUDGET NIGHTMARES: STATES PLAN DEEPER CUTS...
GOLDMAN SACHS to make record bonus payout; had a Spectacular first half of '09...

RASMUSSEN: Obama Approval Index falls to lowest rating... a continuing decline.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1.
Today is the second straight day the President’s rating has been below zero.
Hey Feisty Red Head, and the rwt of you obaMANICS....how "fired up and ready to go" are you about the Obama policy of "Pay-to-Play".....I thought only the evil Clintons did that.
LOL.....and I see where Olive Garden pulled its' advertising away from the Letterman Show because of his horrble commentary about the Palin girls.
Well, isn't that special?!
WHERE ARE THE JOBS, OBAMA????  I need a job now.  You said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%.
Willing to Work (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:41 AM)
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The question is, what jobs have you been applying for.  Or are you waiting for a representative of the Obama administration to show up on your doorstep and give you one?

Or do you already have a job and are just spouting anti-Obama rhetoric like so many others in here?
Ramp up the rhetoric?

Obama has said everything he can 400 times over. It's the same old song and dance and more and more Americans aren't buying it.

How can anyone in their right mind trust the mindset of the weak and getter weaker Barack Obama?
Moonshadow (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:46 AM)
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And 400 times is ten times less than the number of teleprompter jokes that have been posted on here.

And 400 times is 1000 times less than the GOP has said "no" in the last six months, without offering any options of their own.

Yeah, same old rhetoric indeed.
Dear Jonathan, Flint, MI:

We have a right to affordable healthcare because making a profit off of sick people is immoral and wrong.

Because if we have a "representative" government, then why the hell aren't we being represented?

Because if we can go across the ocean and help other people, then we can damn well help the people here as well.

Because our current system is inefficient and we don't like it. We want it fixed.

It is not a point to be "debated" like your pie in the sky goverment "theories". People are going bankrupt and dying.

Other countries are doing a better job in this area - better costs and outcomes.

The American people VOTED for a change in how healthcare is administered in this country. I thought that was all that was requried in representative government?
From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Ramping up the rhetoric:

Why did you all call the presidents statement to Iran rhetoric? Hell the rebublicans are takling rhetoric. Do you have the correct defination of "Rhetoric"? There is from the heart and there is pure BS.
old adage-"those who can, do.  those who can't, teach".

no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:58

And then theirs the Republicans who just follow.
Dave, Tn:
Dave dude...get over it. We are talking NYT here. They are fans of this admionistration.
To Alan, NJ:

The "single expense" of BILLIONS of dollars EVERY YEAR going to various states having a natural disaster is actually an ongoing expense, no?

And even it it wasn't, where in the hell do we pull this money from? The natural disaster fairy dust fund? Funny how the "states rights" crowd is a little wishy washy when it comes time to put THEIR money where their mouth is.

P.S. I know that both parties give money to their speical interests . . . and I am telling both parties that they had better take it back before they try and tell me that they cannot "afford" to reform our for profit health rationing system.
Lisa Staak, NC

You mean after eight years? I am sure that it will pale in comparison to his Inheritances. And yes mama we will keep the shitty mess up front and in your faces. Bush did it and it wasn't just a small boo boo. It has been life shattering to many, many, Americans...missy.
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

Any chance First Read can turn up it's filters and either remove the language, or the poster?  Language like this is not helpful.
You have to admit though, for the wimp Obama, that's pretty tough.
Joey H., NJ (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 10:07 AM)
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Why don't you volunteer to lead the brigade that invades the ship?  
So Alan…

What does whether my surgery was elective or not have to do with COSTS??? Because that was my question…

Want to try again to address the cost issue?

Is it relevant to know what this new healthcare system will or will not offer?  The phrase being kicked around is reasonable high-quality haelthcare which can mean anything.  I want some specifics.  For a reasonable premium (or more likely tax) what are my benefits?  Will I be able to get elective surgery when I want it?  Will it cost me more in premiums (taxes) for this service?  Otherwise, to reduce costs I would tell you to go and take two aspirin as that would be more COST EFFECTIVE than a $4000 operation.
Headlines are another website:

1) Iran Revolutionary Guard threatens protesters...

2) NKorea threatens to harm USA if attacked...

3) Al Qaeda says would use Pakistani nukes on USA...

Obama's response to each: "I don't want to meddle."
Frankie Stuze, NY (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 10:15 AM)
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And this is why the US is so hated all around the world.  Why is it that, no matter what happens where, we are supposed to be the ones who handle it.  We aren't the only country in the world.  Yet, when we *do* handle it, we are bullies.  This is all ridiculous.

A bit naive, I know, but I still had to vent it.  I am just sick of the US having to play World Police.


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