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The 'greatest fabrication'?

Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:55 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Mike Viqueira and Domenico Montanaro
House Minority Leader John Boehner says administration claims that they didn't know just how bad the economy was when formulating the stimulus is "the greatest fabrication I have seen since I have been in Congress."

In several meetings between administration and congressional leaders that he has attended, "everyone in the room knew how serious it was," Boehner told reporters after the weekly House Republican caucus meeting.

Boehner also repeated his various statements of opposition to the energy and health care bills, asserting that the result will be that Democrats "will have to tax virtually everything that moves in America."

The Democratic National Committee turned its focus on Boehner with a Web ad, accusing him of no longer leading the "Party of No," as it claims, but the "Party of No Facts." It quotes him as saying over the weekend that "there hasn’t been a contract let" in Ohio. The DNC uses an Ohio newspaper article to dispute that. "The Ohio Department of Transportation has OK'd 52 stimulus-funded road and bridge projects at a cost of nearly $84 million," the Cleveland Plain-Dealer wrote.

Boehner's office pushed back this way:

"Ohio was very nearly the last state to get the first 50 percent of its stimulus construction money obligated for construction projects, which is ridiculous," Boenher spokesman Michael Steel told First Read in an e-mailed statement. "As of late May, approximately, no contracts had been signed. Since that time, some contracts have been belatedly set in motion, but the entire process has been absurdly slow-moving -- just as Republicans warned it would be last winter when we called for an economic recovery bill based on fast-acting tax relief for small businesses and working families rather than spending on slow-moving government programs. It's embarrassing that the DNC can't defend its own indefensible trillion-dollar stimulus that isn't working and resorts to desperate tactics like this."

Boehner voted against the stimulus plan.

Republican whip Eric Cantor

was on hand to point out the seeming contradictions between Rahn Emanuel, who recently indicated that the so-called "public option" to health care could function as a fall back, triggered only if other plans fail to meet certain benchmarks in covering the uninsured, and the president, who has spoken in favor of a public option.

The "trigger" idea has been put forward by Blue Dogs in the House and has been met with resistance by Dem leaders.

And Mike Pence offered the following: "The only thing the stimulus plan has stimulated is more government debt."

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Oh god! please forward this to programming Dr. Nancy stinks Please take her off the air.
Finally, someone has called out the Obama administration on their 'we didn't know how bad it was' mantra.

The average person in the street could have told them;they themselves repeated, over and over, ad nauseum, that the economy was the 'worst since the great depression, (although, to be fair, that is the Democratic mantra in every election against an incumbent Republican), and, I believe, they had a number of economists on their team who told them exactly what the problems were in the economy.

Did they not listen?  Are they incapable of comprehension?

Or are they lamely trying to deflect the blame for the failures of their policies?

I going to vote the latter; the blame Bush mantra is wearing thin with the electorate, so they need to hit 'reset' on that one.

Nice try, but, like most of their policies to date, epic fail.
DNC calls Republicans "Party of No Facts."

Here's some facts. Deficits are getting even bigger, unemployment is double digits, taxes are going up on every American when the Bush tax cuts expire next year, and the stimulus has failed to produce one job. And two bills in Congress, Healthcare and cap and trade, will have the government swallow another huge chunk of Americas prosperity.

Just what other facts do you need?
The REPUBLICAN'Ts just don't get "IT". They have no idea what the common citizen in the USA is going through right now. They respond only to the special interest groups and BIG money. They never support or help the average american. It's really sad what they are doing to the country by not supporting and coming up with helpful ideas. Their party is the party of NO and NO NEW IDEAS. Just angry old men.
John Boehner should try to help solve some of the nations problems once, which by the way him and his Republican comrades created, but instead he just complains about any and all things, he is pathetic, but he has a nice tan.
And where were all these concerned Republicans when their party and administration caused this crisis? Where are their ideas? The only thing the party of no has stimulated is their egos.
Ha ha ha! Go ahead Reid/Pelosi/Obama, make OUR day!! Push for spending more of OUR money!!! Oh, please do!!!!
DNC brags: OK'd 52 stimulus-funded road and bridge projects [in Ohio] at a cost of nearly $84 million.

$84 million. That's not enough to fill the pot holes in Ohio.

So that's it? That's what the Democrats have for a trillion dollar bill? $84 million to fill in some potholes. That's like .0001% of the money from the stimulus bill.

Oh and by the way, for every job the Democrats claim to create, about 2000 in this case, 500,000 were destroyed last month alone. That's about a 2500:1 ratio. Not a good.
Bush: America Is Not Headed Into a Recession

FOX News, Thursday , February 28, 2008

WASHINGTON —
President Bush dismissed concerns Thursday that the economy is headed into a recession and remained confident that an economic stimulus package will help the nation amid a lingering mortgage and credit crunch.

"I don't think we're headed to recession, but no question, we're in a slowdown," Bush told reporters at a White House press conference.

TRANSLATION:

Bush:  "Recession?  Shoot, this ain't nuthin.   Here, hold my beer and watch this...."
Oh dear. It appears the government is going after employees big time who hire illegal immigrants. What's Mitt Romney to do? So much for exploiting them huh guv'na?

tsk tsk tsk. And you want to be president?
And Mike Pence offered the following: "The only thing the stimulus plan has stimulated is more government debt."

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Bingo! Just like the Republicans said would happen.
Day after day John Boehner says stuff and the media prints it. Yesterday he said Ohio has not received any stimulus money.  He was wrong.

Mike Pence: Columbus Indiana has received some stimulus money also...and put some people to work. Both Mike and John are guys who come from conservative districts who are clueless about the future.  

Let's be adults and call the Repukes what they are..that would be LIARS!  LIARS All.  

Self-serving LIARS!
Everyone who supported Obama and the Democrats in 08 are acting like everyone who did not support Obama and the Democrats are just talking trash and and have nothing constructive to say, but let's see how many people are willing to admit in three and half years from now that they supported Obama and the Democrats when the Stimulus has proven to not have stimulated anything, Trillions of dollars have been spent when the country is already in the most debt it have ever been in, and Obama and the Democrats end up taxing everything and everyone to attempt to make up for their wasteful and reckless spending.

I suspect by this time three and a half years from now, there will be a lot of people who will not be willing to admit that they supported Obama and the Democrats.
First Read:The "trigger" idea has been put forward by Blue Dogs in the House and has been met with resistance by Dem leaders.

The Blue Dogs are really nervous on this one. They'll be the first to go in the 2010 elections if a public option bill pases. No doubt they want to moderate the extreme anti-business views of their leadership if they want to return to office after next years election.
Ah tax cuts. The republicans aren't simply the party of no. They have two modes:

Tax cuts will solve the problem
No to anything but tax cuts

I have a question for Mr Pence and all the righties out there that I've put up before.

If money from the stimulus plan is being spent, where is it going? I would think it is going to one of three places:

Labor
Material
Profit

If it is going to labor, those are jobs that are created. There is no way around that.
If it is going to material, that material has to be mined or created. Even if it comes from outside the US, it has to be shipped to its destination.

So unless you're saying that the stimulus is 100% profit for anyone winning a contract, it is pretty hard to say it hasn't created ANY jobs!

And if it has created ANY jobs, then unemployment would certainly be worse without the stimulus plan.

But you righties can keep hoping our country fails so that you may come back into power. The bad news is that it isn't going to happen!
Boehner needs to sit down and STFU!  Doesn't he ever tire of saying NO?  Tax cuts, Tax cuts, Tax cuts.  That's the answer for everything??  Oh, but only if they go to the rich (over $250K/year) cuz they're the ones with Small Business??  John, we've tried VooDoo economics for the last 30 years.  And just in case you didn't notice, IT DIDN'T WORK!!!
". . . just as Republicans warned it would be last winter when we called for an economic recovery bill based on fast-acting tax relief for small businesses and working families rather than spending on slow-moving government programs."

These are exactly the policies that got us into so much trouble in the first place.  Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts!

Just goes to show the Republicans really do not have any new ideas and are blind to the truth that their supply side, trickle down our legs economic theories DO NOT WORK and have put us where we are today.
I guess Boehner must not have been around when we were told there were WMDs in Iraq...
NOw Boehner is taking his hyperbole to extreme levels. You'd think the ocuntry was in great state on Jan 21st not that presidential candidates were being summoned and Bush/Paulson were advocating rescue of the entire world from a depression trending situation. Cheney was even crying Hoover time in trying to twist repub arms to vote for bailout. All after their 8 year stewardship. Now they whine and play Chicken Little after 5 months.
They speak with forked tongues them silly Repulicants... if a sentance doesn't contain the words tax cuts it's not a 'real' sentance in the bizarro world of the GEENOPEE!

I swear to God in NO way do these clowns live anywhere near REALITY!

The Tan Man & his 2 stooges... pass the popcorn!

Well, Boehner, apparently you still don't know how bad the economy is.  Where's your economy fix it plan?  Maybe Ohio was just about the last state because they were just about the last state to request the money, duh.  As many lefties have stated the last few days, Pres Obama was criticised relentlessly by the GOP and the media for being too negative about the economy.  But Pres Obama's administration did not have the 4th quarter reports when the stimulus bill went through so naturally things were worse than anticipated.  Any high school economics student knows if you don't have all the facts, you're assessment may be off.  Every economist was stunned by the extreme drop in the economy.  And, it was the GOP who forced the watering down of the bill which would have been more effective sooner without the GOP water thrown on it.  Tweetledum Boehner and Tweedledee Cantor--all together now, sing "you can't have one without the other".

Ask tweedledum and tweedledee where they were the last eight years when Bush cut taxes and spent us into oblivion, started two wars and took a budget deficit and threw it away.  Think of the jobs that could have been created IF instead the surplus was used for health care, education, renewable energy business incentives and infrastructure.  Why weren't these so-called concerned Tea Party people out there protesting Bush and the republican spending?  Oh, that's right--it's okay to blow up the economy, spend money we don't have on wars we don't need as long as the president's name was Reagan, Bush and Bush.  

Steeler Fan.  You're so right about long-range thinking.  Fortunately, Pres Obama does look at the long term outcome rather than short term fixes.  For decades, congress was willing to put out fires but not fire prevention.  Whether republican or democrat, it is time for our congressional members to stand up to big oil, insurance, banks and pharmacies; time for those elected officials to fight for their constituients without regard for the ones funding their elections.

Bad Chihuahua.  You're like the GOP congress, lots of hot air but not an idea how to keep the balloon afloat.
Boehner's office: "...we called for an economic recovery bill based on fast-acting tax relief for small businesses and working families rather than spending on slow-moving government programs."

What is it about this perfectly sensible approach the leftist goobers on this board don't understand?  And stop with the BS that the Repubs didn't have a plan.  They did, it just wasn't the pork barrel garbage the Dems pushed through.

"And Mike Pence offered the following: "The only thing the stimulus plan has stimulated is more government debt."

And what is it about this perfectly sensible statement the left wing whackos around here don't understand?

Maybe we need to get Sarah to explain all this to ya.

Boehner, the rabble-rowser

Palin, the quitter

Cheney, the shooter

Limbaugh, the drugster

Sandford, the sinner



The list is growing!

KEEP IT UP!!
Democrats and Fabrication.

Say it ain't so, Joe.
Mike Pence, Eric Cantor, John Boehner et al stop lying check recovery. gov for your answers.

All of the stimulus hasn't been allotted. What's far worst is when John Boehner gets on Fixed and says he didn't know that shovel ready jobs were in his state.
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Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:08 AM

I hope that Beverly from Chicago will chime in since she's our local expert on Illinois politics.

If Kirk is smart he'll have Scotty beam him out of that race so he avoids the agony of defeat.


Eric
I'm for either Chris Kennedy or Alexi Giannoulias. As we liberals know the Republicans always invent scandals and smear; which is their MO. In essence that means we are right.
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Big Al
Implicated in a politically rigged admissions scam at the U of I. Alexi was also endorsed by Barack Obama!  Imagine that. Barack associated with crooked Chicago pols! That story was in the Chicagobama Tribune no less. Look it up libs. Baracks buddy Tony Rezko was also involved in the admissions scam.
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Can you imagine the difference between implication and truth which is what typical Right Wing Nuts can't do? Although the Tribune endorsed President Obama it's still a republican paper, Big Al. You are a Fake.
Mark  Kirk is a liar.
that's pretty funny Boner... you would use the term 'greatest fabrication'.  Spoken like a true Bush-conservative.

Now let me apologize to all my fellow Americans... I'm sorry that President Obama isn't able to turn the economy around fast enough for you. After your 8 years of Bush-conservative policy's. I'm sorry that it couldn't be turned around in a matter of months.

As for "tax virtually everything that moves in America". how else are we going to pay for 2 wars that have been going on for almost 8 years. Ummm maybe with tax cuts! Ya that will work.

Remember now, Bush never funded these wars, it all went in to the negative column.

my 2 cents worth.
I could not agree with Boehner more. So, let me see if I have this straight. Obama and Biden campaigned and won on one message: "the economy is the worst the nation and the world havc seen since at least the Great Depression." If I had a nickel for every time that phrase was uttered by either of them on the campaign trail or in the first few months of office, I would probably be wealthy. I mean, really, how stupid does Biden think the American public is? Wasn't as bad as they thought? Should they have said the economy was the worst since...The Black Plague? Spanish Inquisition?, etc. VP Biden needs a muzzle. Every day he is is forcing others to clean up his messes. Of course, we only had to look at the campaign to figure out that would happen. Anyway, Boehner is right.
Can't say Boehner is the person to believe in a he-said she-said fight but the facts do support his case.  The administration cried wolf very loudly to get this bill passed.  Look at Emanuel great quote about never letting a crisis pass by.  
Hey Obie

How about building that 5,525 mile fence along America's northern border. Think you can find a few bucks for that?

Apart from the fact that Obama, Biden, Gibbs, and Emanuel can't seem to communicate a coherent, stable message about most anything, we also know that Pres Obama is a master at overplaying the bad and over-promoting his esteemed good when it will win public support.  This is the president who drilled us about this being "the worst economic crisis in our generation" and then spent record levels of money on his inauguration party, allowed bonus money to go to the AIG execs he appeared so outraged at, and tried to bring several tax cheats into his administration.  Now when his VP admits that his team "mis-estimated" the 1st stimulus, he tries to say it a "nicer" way.  If the Bush team were doing these same things we'd hear no end to the outcry.  But alas, the starry eyed media who eat up his every word don't have the guts to call him out on it.
Fabrication ??

The Boner has been CAUGHT LYING

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Share Print CommentsThe Democratic National Committee is taking the aggressive step of going after Republican politicians, accusing them of posturing and hypocrisy, when it comes to the president's stimulus package.

On Wednesday, the DNC put out a web ad rapping the House Minority Leader John Boehner for making inaccurate remarks about the infrastructure dollars sent to Ohio through the stimulus. The video, titled "Boehner 'No Facts'" accuses the Ohio Republican of "using baseless attacks to mislead the public about the success of the Recovery Act." It also ties him to the "Bush economic policies of the past eight years that brought our economy to its knees."

What's noteworthy here is not the Bush line -- a predictable line of attack when it comes to browbeating GOP pols. Rather, it is the willingness, indeed eagerness, on the part of the DNC to engage Boehner in a debate over the stimulus.

If there is a particular vulnerability for the White House, it is the scope of president's stimulus spending. And among the places where the recovery package's shortcomings are most obvious, Boehner's home state of Ohio is one of them. A new Quinnipiac poll shows that Obama's approval rating in the Buckeye State dipped from 62 percent in May to 49 percent a month later.

But, at least at this juncture, it seems clear Democrats feel comfortable defending the White House record when it comes to its job creations policies, in part because it's easy to localize the importance of the stimulus. As the DNC ad points out, Boehner's district alone has received nearly $15 million in recovery-related projects.

That said, Boehner's office isn't exactly shying away from the debate. As the House Minority Leader's spokesman, Kevin Smith, told Politico:

"Ohio was very nearly the last state to get the first 50 percent of its stimulus construction money obligated for construction projects, which is ridiculous. As of late May, approximately, no contracts had been signed. Since that time, some contracts have been belatedly set in motion, but the entire process has been absurdly slow-moving -- just as Republicans warned it would be last winter when we called for an economic recovery bill based on fast-acting tax relief for small businesses and working families rather than spending on slow-moving government programs. It's embarrassing that the DNC can't defend its own indefensible trillion-dollar stimulus that isn't working but resorts to desperate tactics like this."

UPDATE: DNC Spokesman Hari Sevugan responds to Smith's response, again tying Boehner to the Bush economic record.

Kevin Smith and John Boehner need a history lesson. It was them and their Republican allies - including Dick Cheney and George Bush that - that sunk our economy into a near depression - while it's the very economic policies and the jobs bill passed by President Obama that have begun to turn things around. What's embarrassing is that after being one of the handful of Republican leaders responsible for pushing our economy over the cliff and putting millions of Americans out of work - that John Boehner would go on national TV and not tell the truth about the projects in Ohio that are beginning to put people back to work - no thanks to him....'



How about THEM APPLES, Man Tan ??

This is the issue:

Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. So they're going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning.

Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer—and they've had almost 60 years of it—shouldn't we expect government to read the score to us once in a while?

Shouldn't they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing?

But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater; the program grows greater. We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry each night. Well that was probably true. They were all on a diet. But now we're told that 9.3 million families in this country are poverty-stricken on the basis of earning less than 3,000 dollars a year. Welfare spending [is] 10 times greater than in the dark depths of the Depression. We're spending 45 billion dollars on welfare. Now do a little arithmetic, and you'll find that if we divided the 45 billion dollars up equally among those 9 million poor families, we'd be able to give each family 4,600 dollars a year. And this added to their present income should eliminate poverty. Direct aid to the poor, however, is only running only about 600 dollars per family. It would seem that someplace there must be some overhead.

Yet anytime you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being against their humanitarian goals. They say we're always "against" things—we're never "for" anything.

But we're against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments to those people who depend on them for a livelihood. They've called it "insurance" to us in a hundred million pieces of literature. But then they appeared before the Supreme Court and they testified it was a welfare program. They only use the term "insurance" to sell it to the people. And they said Social Security dues are a tax for the general use of the government, and the government has used that tax. There is no fund, because Robert Byers, the actuarial head, appeared before a congressional committee and admitted that Social Security as of this moment is 298 billion dollars in the hole. But he said there should be no cause for worry because as long as they have the power to tax, they could always take away from the people whatever they needed to bail them out of trouble. And they're doing just that.

The Democrats and their liberal spending programs just don't work. They have tried it for over 60 years!
Does ANYONE remember Bush's STIMULUS ??

The Tax cuts ??

Boy THAT Really Helped, didn't it ??
Weren't Man Tan Boner and Cantor cheer leading for that ??
Why do so many people on here hate our
President so much?  Is it just because he's
a Democrat, or that he's Black, or that he's
better educated and has a nice (normal)
family, or that he's more intellegent then
them?  Or is it all of the above. Or are they
the type of people who just love to hate?

I think all of the above.
 
Obama is more concerned with distributing wealth than creating it.  

What he should be doing:
BUSINESSES create jobs.  It's simple trickle down economics. Help businesses and they will create jobs, which in turn helps out EVERYONE. Help investors and they will purchase more homes and invest in the stock market.....  We need to build the economy from the top, down.  

Wake up America!
Elaine, Miami, FL (Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:57 AM)

Elaine - we tried trickle down economics and they didn't work.  Got any NEW ideas???

what did the Suntan kid and Bush Cheneydy do to stop the economic downturn?
this country wont get better till we get rid of the party that continues to say no to what ever, good or bad, again i dont care whos running the country, both parties are just as bad and the change we voted for wont happen...Once again money talks and it continue to show up on politicians working stimulus money to there benefit, plum ambassador job   given to elected official relatives or family...So wake up it wont get better it will continue to get worse until americans quit be gullable and hoping it will get better...Trust your elected official, show me a good one....american is on the same path and its not change.
Since the economy was in freefall as of election day but economists didn't yet have numbers to show that, how would they have known?  Especially in light of the previous administration's efforts to minimize the perception that we were actually in trouble?
Good to see Obama's poll numbers fallng, now below 50% in Virginia and Ohio, and significant decline in Independent support.  More Americans are waking up from their Propofol induced anesthesia.  I am sure the WH is hoping the ABC and CBS/NYT polls come out soon with their liberal bias in polling to shore up his approval ratings to the mid 60's.  
OMG - OMG - LOL - WTF - are you serious, any way.

Hope you enjoy your last bid in public office - Boehner and Cantor.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
         


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