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First thoughts: Obama's summer blues

Posted: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:24 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** Obama’s summertime blues: Has anyone else noticed that, for a third straight year, the summer has proven to be Barack Obama’s low point? In 2007, the summer was his nadir during the build-up to the primaries (remember those debates over Pakistan and negotiating with unsavory world leaders?) before beginning to take off in the fall after the Iowa J-J dinner. And in 2008, the summer was his low point in the general election against John McCain (remember the Paris and Britney ad, as well as those tightening poll numbers?) Now, with rising doubts about his stimulus plan, disagreements about how to proceed on health care, 2010 recruiting struggles (see below), and declining poll numbers, the summer is again proving to be problematic for him. Then again, when the real games don’t take place in the summer -- whether it’s the primaries, the general election, or his deadline to get a health-care bill -- you have time to retool, right?

Video: CNBC's John Harwood reports that Republicans and Democrats in Congress are sparring over how successful the Obama stimulus spending plan has been, as deficit concerns grow.

*** Backseat drivers to the rescue: Of course, when Obama is down, liberal columnists and pundits inevitably begin their back-seat driving. Here's Joe Klein in Time: "The fact is, Obama may be blowing a major opportunity for reform with his domestic-policy diffidence. He came to office faced with an unprecedented economic crisis, and he focused on it successfully during his first 100 days, giving two excellent speeches about the need for a stimulus plan and general economic reform. He has lost that focus as his other initiatives have come online; he has failed to speak with precision or clarity about the bills wandering through Congress. He has failed to make clear what needs to be in those bills -- and what can't be -- if he is going to sign them. He also needs to update the public on his stimulus plan, especially now that his Vice President inadvertently dissed it. And he needs to make a direct assault on the greedheads who created the Ponzi economy and are now trying to gut his plan to make them do business honestly."

*** Biden hits Ohio, New York: Trying to promote the stimulus -- which gets more criticism on the New York Times’ front page -- Vice President Biden travels today to Cincinnati, OH and Saratoga County, NY. The visit to Ohio comes after a recent Quinnipiac poll showed Obama’s approval rating in the state plunging from 62% in May to 49% now. And Biden’s stop in New York will include embattled Gov. David Paterson (D) and Rep. Scott Murphy (D), who won that recent NY-20 special congressional election in part by campaigning for the stimulus. To counter Biden’s stop in Ohio, House Minority Leader John Boehner today holds a conference call with reporters. Meanwhile, in Italy, President Obama has already held a bilateral meeting with Brazil President Silva, attended a joint session meeting, and had working lunch. Later today, he attends a Major Economies Forum discussion and hits a G8 dinner.

*** More Palin pile-on: The piling on of Palin continues -- with a New York Daily News column by GOP strategist Mike Murphy, who asks: “Why is there still so much Republican love for Sarah Palin?” He adds, “Other politicians are more reliable conservatives; Palin ran for governor on a set of populist issues usually linked to Alaska Democrats. She lacks any real accomplishment - no military or private-sector career of note, no academic achievement… She has served only two years as governor of a small and uniquely easy-to-govern state (other governors pine for Alaska's small population and billions of dollars in easy revenue from oil production), a job she has now abandoned. The answer is that Palin profits mightily from a Republican blind spot. She has all the right smirking enemies in America's media elite.” Also, be sure not to miss Jeb Bush’s comments that the GOP’s ideas and messaging are stuck in the 1990s.

Video: Gov. Sarah Palin claims her resignation is in the best interests of her family and the state of Alaska, but is she really just concerned about her own ambition? GOP strategist Ron Christie and Salon.com’s Joan Walsh join Hardball guest host Lawrence O’Donnell.

*** House Dems vs. CIA, part 2: Just when we thought the CIA-vs.-House Dem storyline had ended -- when is the last time House Republicans have tried to whack House Speaker Nancy Pelosi over her back-and-forth with the intelligence agency? -- it’s baaaccckkk. Per NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, six House Democratic members of the Intelligence Committee wrote CIA chief Leon Panetta a letter, claiming that he told them that the CIA had concealed important information from Congress during the Bush years. “In light of your testimony,” they concluded, “we ask that you publicly correct your statement of May 15 2009,” in which Panetta said it was not the CIA’s policy to mislead Congress. Mitchell reminds us about the backdrop to this dispute: The White House threatened to veto the House intelligence bill, if a Democratic-backed proposal supported by Pelosi expands the number of members briefed on covert activities. The legislation also leaves it up to Congress, and not the White House, to decide who gets access to the information.

Video: NBC terrorism analyst Roger Cressey, Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan discuss the escalating war of words over statements made by senior CIA officials.

*** Cornyn’s excellent week… : As our friends at Hotline have noted, Sen. John Cornyn and the folks at the National Republican Senatorial Committee have had quite a week. First, they seem to have convinced New Hampshire Attorney General Kelly Ayotte (R) to run for the seat Judd Gregg (R) is vacating, which gives them a decent shot at holding on to the seat. Then, South Dakota Rep. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin (D) decided against challenging John Thune (R), making it all but certain that Thune will cruise to re-election. And yesterday in Illinois, the Democrats’ best potential statewide candidate -- Lisa Madigan -- decided not to run, while the GOP’s best potential candidate -- Mark Kirk -- said yes, giving Republicans they best chance of winning major office there in more than 10 years. This good news for the GOP comes after being dealt a pretty tough hand earlier this year, including five retirements (in FL, KS, MO, NH, OH).

*** … And the White House’s rough one: On the flip side, the White House has had a rough last couple of weeks when it comes to 2010 Senate contests. That all the Illinois politicians working at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. -- Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Valerie Jarrett -- couldn’t help convince Madigan to run in a race where she’d be the clear front-runner was a blow. What’s more, they weren’t able to stop Rep. Carolyn Maloney from challenging Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in a Democratic primary in New York, or Joe Sestak from challenging Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania. The overall Senate map still favors Democrats, but not as much as it did a couple of weeks ago.

*** What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas? Just when we thought that John Ensign's

affair had been buried by the Sanford, Palin, and Michael Jackson news come some new revelations. In a TV interview with Nevada political guru Jon Ralston, Doug Hampton, the Ensign staffer married to the woman the senator had his affair with, says that he asked for millions of dollars in restitution and that Ensign gave his wife $25,000 in severance. What's more, Hampton produced a letter from Ensign -- citing his relationship with God -- that professed the senator's desire to end the affair, but then Hampton alleges that Ensign tried to resume it 24 hours later. Finally, we’ve learned that Sen. Tom Coburn (R), of all people, knew about the affair and urged Ensign to end it. (“Had Sen. Ensign followed Dr. Coburn’s advice, this episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago,” Coburn’s office said in a statement.) Late last night, Ensign’s office released a statement trying to discredit Hampton. “In response to today’s television interview, Senator Ensign said Doug Hampton was consistently inaccurate in his statements."

*** 2009 watch: During her 1:00 pm hour show on MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell interviews vulnerable New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D), who’s running against Chris Christie (R) in November. Mitchell also interviews Rep. Anna Eshoo (one of the Dems who wrote that letter to Panetta), Eric Cantor, and Jim Clyburn.

Countdown to Palin Stepping Down: 17 days
Countdown to Election Day 2009: 117 days
Countdown to Election Day 2010: 481 days

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Yowzaaa!  

The fireworks were BETTER on Hardball last night than they were on the 4th of July!

In the losing corner you got Ron Christie who was a close advisor to Dickhead Cheney & now a Republicant strategist (too funny strategy & Republicant in the same sentence LOL) whining & spinning his girl Sarah’s saga with just more of the same old BOLD FACE LIES!

In the winning corner you got Joan Walsh – COOL – SMART & FACTUAL.

And the referee is no other than Lawrence O’Donnell who was doing a great job trying to cut Christie some slack – but the GEENOPEE’s mouth piece is so stuck on stupid he couldn’t see the forest through the trees! Gee speaking of forest anyone wonder if Ron ever went hunting with Deadeye Dick?  That would be a sight to see…

And to Mark/Domenico:

I know… I know… you guys are short handed… BUT… as was brought up last week by some of the regulars around here – you keep posting cr@p from the same person who has multiple personalities… see below… I condensed it because there’s no sense giving ‘Sybil’ anymore space than necessary but I find the time stamps amusing!

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Respect is earned not given. Keep a civil tongue in your head Lefties.
Pete Roleum, Detroit, MI USA (Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:12 AM)
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Respect is earned not given. Keep a civil tongue in your head Lefties.
St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia (Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:16 PM)

So…Mr. Peteroleum or is it Saint of all Moron’s today?  How about Tired of PC double standards?  Or better yet… Big Al the Chicago Way… ALL ONE IN THE SAME!  (I’ll deal with the rabid rat later!)

All you clowns are doing is PROVING that the Republicants approval ratings are as AWFUL as they say they are (around 21% I believe)!  What’s the matter… don’t you have any friends or allies to help get out your warped message?

NOPE! Instead you have to come here and pretend to be multiple posters to make it seem like the GEENOPEE has more support than they REALLY do?


So predictable of the GEENOPEE… If you can bring facts or ideas to the table… might as well LIE & CHEAT right?

If respect is soooo important to you – then you damn well should be calling out the Repiblicant trolls around here as well…

Wait… what am I thinking??… You’re a card carrying member of the Do As I Say Not as I DO Party!

Never mind….

Ps:  Ron, Indiana – You were right on the money yesterday with your observation of why Silly Sarah called The Dick – no doubt he’s still the power in the GEENOPEE and it was no coincidence that his lackey (Ron Christie) popped up in her defense when he did! To bad he didn’t have a leg to stand on… when you run out of the BS & spin… Whoa hold everything… time to play the Clinton card! LOL!  Glad you & your wife are enjoying ‘Renegade’ it did bring back some wonderful memories!
FR: "Has anyone else noticed that, for a third straight year, the summer has proven to be Barack Obama’s low point?"

Sure! We were all sitting around on the porch last night, and my cousin Clem brought up that very fac. Clem thought it had to do with Barack's bio-rhythms or something. I said it jsut bad luck, and maybe some of that there global warming was effecting him.
White House – Move-On Alert

Today in Indiana ads were on TV urging people to contact Evan Bayh to vote AGAINST the public option for healthcare.  I suspect ads will be going up in states where Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln, and Mark Pryor are senators.  If you are for a public option, please do a shout-out when those ads come up.


Leon Panetta vs. Nancy Pelosi

As a past senior executive, I understand the importance of supporting your employees. Panetta is defending the CIA, but it is tough to defend the work done by CIA agents prior to becoming the director.  To say that it is not the CIA policy to lie or mislead Congress and we won’t do it in the future begs the question of who, when, and how often did it happen during the Bush years.

To me the most troubling part is to say it won’t happen again. That is kinda like a robber saying I won’t rob banks ever again.  If crimes were committed, they should be prosecuted.  Looking at you Eric Holder.

Pat:  In Indiana a tall ship is a house boat floating about a foot taller than a corn stalk.  Enjoy the weekend with your grand daughter. Wish we were there.  Someday I would like to take my wife to Boston to see the universities, Old North Church, the Commons, Back Bay, and Freedom Trail, tall ships, and John Adams home.  

FR: Was everyone taking a long lunch break or taking a nap yesterday afternoon?  Hours passed before you restarted posting our comments. Domenico, looks like you are holding down the fort today.  It could be a busy day.


The stimulus plan is a dud. $1T dollars, wasted. All it's done is prop up a bunch of fiscally unsound states for another couple of years, when those states will have to reduce their spending then.

A trillion dollars. Gone. That would have bought a lot of health care.
Heatlh care is dead. The best the Democrats and Obama can do now is save a little face by implementing a few so called "reforms". It will be more like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic then anything else. Then the same thing that happened to Clinton with HillaryCare will happen next year when liberal Democrats stay home and the Republicans vote in theirs.
So, I was starting to get frustrated with the oh so convenient way that EVERYONE in the media has  bought into this “Obama Administration misread the economy” and  the “Do we need a second stimulus” canards.

I even heard Jack Cafferty repeating the “Obama said unemployment wouldn’t go over 8% if the stimulus was passed” lie last night, when unemployment was 7.6% in January and 8.1% in February, the month the stimulus was actually passed.

But I feel much better now after passing a car on the way to work this morning with bumper sticker that read “Where’s the birth certificate?”

lol

Why did that help? Because it reminded me that the political and media culture in this country is not based on rational thought, it is based on approval ratings, Neilson ratings, and political point scoring.

I will continue to be one little voice on one little message board crying out for thinking Americans to not take ANYTHING they hear in the media at face value.

But I know at the end of the day, if the people with the microphones say something is true, a large portion of America will believe them. It is understandable – we are led to believe that a journalists job is to pursue the truth. Yet after following the presidential campaign closely for the past two years, I know better than that.  

Just this year, we have already had the media campaigning to fire Timothy Geithner because he didn’t have a magic wand to fix the economy,  we were told that the President campaigned on ending all earmarks, when he did not, and now we are told that a stimulus package that was passed in February is a failure, even though it hasn’t even been spent yet.

Like I said, it only makes sense when you realize that it’s not supposed to make sense. . . in Washington, if you dominate the conversation, you win . . . even if what you’re saying makes absolutely no sense.

Sad, but oh so true.
Amusing to watch just how FAST the rats are jumping of the SSPalin! They know a sinking ship when they see one!

Thanks for the objective observation Mike Murphy – maybe you could get THAT memo to Ron Christie he’s still beating a dead horse (or caribou)...
Joe Klein: The fact is, Obama may be blowing a major opportunity for reform with his domestic-policy diffidence. He came to office faced with an unprecedented economic crisis, and he focused on it successfully during his first 100 days, giving two excellent speeches about the need for a stimulus plan and general economic reform.

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Gee golly whiz! Two great speeches! Be still our hearts! Too bad Pelosi packed the stimulus plan with so much pork, it's done nothing for the economy. There is to "economic reform", unless you call quadrupling the deficit "reform.

So now we need a second stimulus plan? Fool Us Once, Your Fault.
I will say it again - the stimulus money is creating 2000-3000 jobs here in Vegas as i type for infrastructure!  Yes, it's taken time.  We are such an instant gratification country.  We wee told many times, it would take a while.  I wish people would quit getting their panties in a bind on this.    
Amusing to watch just how FAST the rats are jumping of the SSPalin! They know a sinking ship when they see one!

Thanks for the objective observation Mike Murphy – maybe you could get THAT memo to Ron Christie he’s still beating a dead horse (or caribou)...

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL


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That's right libs. When the chips are down, waaaay down, don't talk about health care, the stimulus, or cap and trade. Blow smoke on things that don't matter.
C..erced
I..nformation
A..gency

I see lay offs in the CIA's future...
Anybody making over $150K a year in the CIA sure ain't hustling enough to keep our nation safe...Lied to Congress...isn't that treason?
Ron, if you and your wife make your way to Boston, let me know if you want to go to Fenway Park. I'll be happy to do the leg work for you as far as securing tickets for you both. Pats/Colts may be harder but I'd be happy to give it a shot if this is your preference.

Thanks for your good wishes to me and my granddaughters. They just arrived from Florida for a few weeks. Saturday should be spectacular. And as Keith said last night, it will be John Quincy Adams' birthday to boot. Perfect!!! The sight out of my window here on the harbor is beautiful with the ships. Breathtaking really.

Maybe President Obama isn't getting enough vitamin D
Regardless, why now are the 5 Iranian diplomats being released from US custody?
http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/07/us-releases-5-iranian-diplomats-held-two-years-in-iraq.html
Good morning everyone, had to go out of town, wont be out here very long today. Feisty, Nash, Cindy, Pat, Clara, Beverly, Ron, Ted and crew...the right took over on Tuesday. I got a chance to check for a moment and the BS they had out here was disgusting. Keep them stright today, I'll be back on tomorrow morning.
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*** Backseat drivers to the rescue:

They may as well sit their asses down. There can be but one leader at a time and we elected President Obama, not "reporters" to run this country and make decisions as to whats best for the American public. We are only outside observers, we have no clue as to what the real issues are...do we?

We only want what we want and it's just not right. We need what's best for this nation. If we were faced with they many issues that confront the President on a daily basis, every hair on our head would be gray.
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*** More Palin pile-on:
She has all the right smirking enemies in America's media elite.” Also, be sure not to miss Jeb Bush’s comments that the GOP’s ideas and messaging are stuck in the 1990s.
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This one isn't gone...she is appealing to the far right base of the party of BS...such a pile...
*** Obama’s summertime blues: Has anyone else noticed that, for a third straight year, the summer has proven to be Barack Obama’s low point?
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What I noticed is that in my adult life never have I seen a President so maligned and smeared as President Obama. Luckily, yesterday I had a chance while in the supermarket, to speak with a very cognate 92 Caucasian male. He said the same thing. He also said it's not fair. Now he didn't day if this was in regards to race, youth, affiliations or whatever. I also think that stupid Sean Hannity and KKKarl should STFU,  superglue their mouths, and stop smearing our President.  Those  2 idiots need to stop repeatedly fear-mongering and misinforming on the issues of heath-care reform, foreign and domestic policies. Needless to say, they should get rid of that freak pollster Frank Luntz who designs buzz word words for Fox and Idiots.
Bravo David Shuster for correcting another idiot partisan
FR: "Has anyone else noticed that, for a third straight year, the summer has proven to be Barack Obama’s low point?"
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According to you "journalist" people, that's all the president ever has is low points. MediaMatters had an article yesterday about how the corporate media has studiously ignored the CBO report that a health care bill with a public option would come in under $700 billion over ten years. And this was after you all hyperventillated over the CBO's earlier analysis of an incomplete plan that came in at over a trillion dollars.  

With careful selection of what you report and uncritical regurgitation of the Republicans' bogus talking points, you and the Republicans can make every week a tough week for Obama.
It should say ..What's done in Alaska ..stays in Alaska...
wink ..wink...YIPEEEE!

BAAA-BIE Sarah
Well, well, well, liberals! You keep waving Obama approval ratings in everyones faces when you try to make a point, which you seldom do by the way, but now lookie here at Obama's 'approval ratings'. They're getting into range of Bush's ratings at the end of his terms in office. And it only took Obama six months to get there.

People pay attention. they see how Obama is killing the country, not just today but for future generations, with his orgy of spending. The 30-40% approval rating is not out of reach for Obama this year.
Amusing to watch just how FAST the rats are jumping of the SSPalin! They know a sinking ship when they see one!

Thanks for the objective observation Mike Murphy – maybe you could get THAT memo to Ron Christie he’s still beating a dead horse (or caribou)...
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A First Read post that is largely negative about Obama.  And Redhead zeroes in on the one thing that's utterly inconsequential.  
I see lay offs in the CIA's future...

BJ, CA


Yup. Panetta.
I don't think summer is the cause of Obama's low points. It is the fact that he is proving himself to be a liar, and not keeping his campaign promises.
One thought on Ron Christie - I give him credit for going on Ed & Hardball.  I'm pretty sure it was him who said Sanford should step down.  I would rather listen to him than that idiot Tom Tancrado, if they have to put a republican on those shows.  Trancrapo I think is a racist.  Just my opinion!  
I agree with Fiesty re the Hardball segment with Joan Walsh and Ron Christie.

Ron Christie is a hapless fool lapdog for the GOP spin machine.  Period.

In reviewing some of the other news items this am I find I am growing more and more disgusted with the comments by Boehner and Cantor, as well as the continuing fiasco in the state legislatures of New York and California.

Once these states are completely bankrupt from the political apathy of their presiding elected officials, perhaps we will see some improvements.

As for Boehner and Cantor, et al - I am hopeful the 2010 races will continue to show the UNwillingness of the people to continue to abide such nonsense.

As for Palin:  she will never run for president - ever.

She will go the route of Limbaugh or Hannity, she will seek the money while she can and she will do her best to resurrect the classic GOP cultural war drum beat.  These days, apart from the Bill Kristols, the Ron Christies or the Rick Perrys, who is really listening?  

It is simply fun to watch the GOP train wreck in full swing.  
I will say it again - the stimulus money is creating 2000-3000 jobs here in Vegas as i type for infrastructure!  Yes, it's taken time.  We are such an instant gratification country.  We wee told many times, it would take a while.  I wish people would quit getting their panties in a bind on this.    
cindy, las vegas, nv

We're so happy for you. Unemployment is going through the roof here though. As a country, we lost half a million jobs last month and look to do the same this month. So your 2000-3000 jobs gains in Vegas are lost elsewhere.

That's right libs. When the chips are down, waaaay down, don't talk about health care, the stimulus, or cap and trade. Blow smoke on things that don't matter.
Love'in It (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:43 AM)
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No reason we can enjoy some good entertainment!  Or is it the Republicants now want to outlaw humor as well..

Lighten up!  

It's going to be PRICELESS watching the Diva nose dive!

Count me in with the rest of the lefties around here... when she runs(cause we all know that's GOING to happen)... I'll even donate to her campaign!  
An interesting observation First Read that Obama seems to sing the summertime blues, but that just means that he'll be doing the fall fling thing dancing on the graves of his political opponents.

That' so funny that Adulterer Ensign's affair has come back to the fore of the media's attention just when he tought it was all over.  We can see what a big liar this ensign clown is as his love letter to his mistress shows he knew he was doing wrong and wanted to end his affair yet kept it going for atleast 6 more months.  And what was his fellow repugnant ones advice to himn except to pay off the Hamptons to keep themm quiet.  Yep the sinful elephant party thinks that bribery is the best way to resolve mistress problems.

Corny Cornyn had better not prematurely claim victory just because he's found a few deadbeats in his party to run for office.  He may have gotten some to run but it's a whole different matter to get them to win with the losing agenda of the dopes of nope.  Plus he better remember he got booed in his own home state by his own clueless crowd of losers.

RNC Says in Trysts We Trust!
Another piece of news that doesn't fit into the corporate media's "narrative" about what a big failure the stimulus bill has been: Mark Zandie, who was _John McCain's_ economic advisor, said on the PBS evening news last night that the stimulus appears to be working about as expected. Zandie noted that while the unemployment rate is still terribly high, the new jobless numbers have been decreasing every month relative to the month before. Zandie expects the new jobless claims to be down to zero perhaps by the end of the year.
Feisty, you were right about Pete, Michigan...I checked out here on Tuesday evening and he had so much crap out here that it was ridiculous. He has every one of those handels.
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On the CIA-- I wonder if Boehner (sp) will keep attacking Pelosi now? Of coursr the CIA lied to Congress. That was and is a no brainer. It may not be the practice of the CIA to lie but that's what they're paid to do. Deception is there job and no  admissions to guilt is apart of their mission statement. I like to read between the lines...
Feisty: (from late yesterday)

I've always kind of admired Anna Molly because we had a good give and take. She knows my original moniker but I dropped it because of to many imposters
and copycats. Then she made a hard political left and really disapointed me. So that's that.

You are new here at FR and really don't know squat. You spend your day trying to figure out who is who when YOU are playing the imposter role at times.

Many bloggers here use song titles for their monikers.

Fortunate Son, Bad Moon Rising, Moonshadow, Moon Dawg, Polythene Pam to name a few. Am I all of those names plus Bad Chihuahua? Thanks for the compliment but the Chihuahua has his own show.
Do we all double space? Do we all work off the same computer? Keep working on it if you must but keep those hairbrained, downright stupid remarks of yours between you and your neighbor. It's the same old song and dance and it's real old.

By the way, Monkberry Moon is also a Paul McCartney song title. Spend the day on that one.


Nice going Dems. Just when the country had all but forgotten about Nancy's lies, you bring up the CIA and Pelosi friction again. Perfect timing to distract people from all the failures happening on real legislation, like health care. Now Pelosi will need to crawl back in her hole at the very point of time she should be out their pumping information out on Health Care reform.
Hey Nash

You really have to get over the nit picking.  The 8% figure was used by members of his administration to help get the stimulus bill passed.  Are you saying that he has no responsibility for the arguments his administration puts forward?  Was it exactly what he wanted, no, but he signed and praised it's contents.  The fact that republicans watered it down slightly is irrelevant in today's climate considering the amount of the bill that has been spent.  

On Tim Geither I wanted him out because he was too close to the previous administration and had a lot to do with the original TARP.  He also too close to the banks he is supposed to be regulating.  
Summertime blues?  OK, good point about Obama during the campaign and the fact that country goes on summer vacation.  But too much time is spent analyzing every word.  No wonder we expect instant gratification, we are fed that concept daily when one word or comment or poll is dissected beyond reasonable thinking.  On any given day, a pollster could call me or anyone  and my concern would be different.

Great analogy about backseat drivers.  Pres Obama and his staff are smart enough to ignore the chatter especially when the chattering class offer opposing views.  It is easy to tell someone how they should be operating because they aren't responsible for the results.

Way too much criticism of the stimulus bill so early.  Anyone who pays attention knows that contractual laws at state and federal levels requires bids for projects which takes time even if the project is "shovel ready".  Shovel ready means the preliminary environmental studies, the plan, etc. have been completed but the contractual bidding process isn't done until state and local governments know they have the funding.  Like so many other things, the anti-stimulus republicans are making false statements, the media reports it and before you know it--the misleading statements stick in our minds and make us wonder.  Glad to see VP Biden on the road reminding us what has been done despite the claims of republicans.  No doubt the Obama team will speed up the entire process.

As for 2010 and Palin, too soon to get excited or concerned about those campaigns and tired of Palin.  Let her quit and go fishing in peace (ours for her absence).
Pat: I wouldn't survive a Pats/Colts game.  Remember, God made the sky blue...because she is a Colts fan.

Tickets for a Celtic/Pacers game are almost impossible, unless you come to Indianapolis.  Someday I would like to visit Boston.
Three months ago, the liberal media was sticking a fork in the Republicans for their chances in the next few elections. What a difference a couple of months makes though, doesn't it? Now Republicans are gaining traction in a lot of states, including states like the very liberal Illinois.

Doesn't look so bad for the Republicans next year now does it?
"According to you "journalist" people, that's all the president ever has is low points. MediaMatters had an article yesterday about how the corporate media has studiously ignored the CBO report that a health care bill with a public option would come in under $700 billion over ten years. And this was after you all hyperventillated over the CBO's earlier analysis of an incomplete plan that came in at over a trillion dollars.  

With careful selection of what you report and uncritical regurgitation of the Republicans' bogus talking points, you and the Republicans can make every week a tough week for Obama. "
- Houston
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Couldn't have said it any better myself . . . the corporate media is taking orders from corporate America to do anything they can to kill healthcare reform . . . the health care plan that covers 97% of Americans for less than $700 billion gets NO media coverage . . . how stange . . . and now the "second stimulus" canard is a big part of their strategy as well.

So predictable . . . and yet it seems that many people will fall for it every time.
Let's see... Unemployment UP and sales DOWN - what a shocker. Eventually the sheep will understand that Bama-Nomics is destroying America.

Bama and Bama alone forced the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler and the loss of thousands of U.S. businesses and millions of U.S. jobs. Bama signed a $787 Stick-It-Up-Your-Arse package that increased the national debt and unemployment.

The fools in DENIAL can't blame Bush for that.

I see local businesses closing everyday due to Bama-Nomics and it's gonna get a lot worse so I doubt the working class is going to have fair paying employment any time soon.

Bama-Nomics is the loss of 600,000 U.S. jobs month after month after month. It's a 50% increase in the national debt in just a few months time. It's the spending of more money in one week than Bush spent in 8 years and two wars. It's the failure to comprehend the economic and human devastation Bama is inflicting on America.

Under Bama-Nomics we have the highest Unemploment in 26 years and it's still climbing.

Record Unemployment under Bama, record spending under Bama, massacre of the entire U.S. auto industry and Millions of U.S. jobs under Bama along with lots of tax payer paid photo ops and family vacations - THAT is what Bama, the LIAR in Chief is all about.

When you have no job, no home, no retirement and you're hungry - THEN maybe you'll understand that Bama-Nomics is destroying America.

DENIAL doesn't eliminate the pain and suffering and the FACTS DON'T LIE!
Hurry back Anita!

gepa - is today your angry day?

Beverly - I really think this Pres has been under a microscope more than any I've ever seen.  Where was the damn media while Shrub was at Camp David constantly?  Or when he so rudely answered with "So"?  And the list goes on and on.  I do believe our CIC knew what he was up for before he was elected.  Remember at one of the rallies he brushed his shoulders, wiping off the crap!!  He did it with style, has humility.  Something this country has been missing in a CIC for a long time.    
It is so hilarious to see the infighting between the moderate republicans and the evangelical christian lunatic fringe base.  I just love watching the moderates attack Quitter Palin for being dumb, dumber and dumbest of their shrinking party.  Murphy is quite correct to say she has no real accomplishments nor a clue as what to say if she doesn't have a teleprompter to read from.  We will see that her idiotic decision to quit and start running for 2012 now will result in Quitter Palin burnout by 2011.  We will see the repugnant ones flee from her banner to try to find someone with some actual knowledge to run against Obama in 2012, someone who can open his mouth without constantly sticking his foot in it.

Looks like Nancy Pelosi was right all along about the CIA misleading Congress.  There's no doubt that the CIA of slam dunk tenet and Clueless George withheld important information regarding their little torture club of horrors.  Leon Panetta has got to stop protecting the crooked CIA of the past 8 years and start following his lifelong standard of more transparent government.

Good to see Vice President Joe Biden out and about touting the stimulus package.  Hopefully he'll be able to point out some of those transportation projects in Ohio that Agent Orange Boehner has forgotten about.  It's a good thing that Obama/Biden won because iof the repugnant ones think that Biden is a gaffe machine they'd be really embarrassed to have the perpetualk gaffe machine Quitter Palin out there making a real fool of their party.

In Nancy Pelosi We Trust!
I seems that the FOX noise crew has seized the on the word "Contingency" in regards to the Stimulas package and ran with it actually being needed. A reminder of the defination of the word is needed:

The word that is getting lossed is Contingency. What is the meaning of CONTINGENCY? It certinally isn’t  "we will need is it"?

For you daft republicans that were salivating all over yourselves earlier over a contingency of an another stimulus package.

Definition:
1. An unknown or unforeseen future event or condition
2. Something dependent on a possible future event

Possible and unforseen people!
With Biden coming to Ohio, I hope to hell he can pronounce Cincinnati without screwing it up. He'd probably feel more comfortable at the zoo, rated #1 in animal reproduction and #5 overall.

Yeah, I know the San Diego Zoo is #1 before some left coast infidel gets overly tee'd.
Joe Klein: "...And he [Obama] needs to make a direct assault on the greedheads who created the Ponzi economy and are now trying to gut his plan to make them do business honestly."

This kind of populist claptrap isn't helpful to anyone.  The U.S. economy is not a 'Ponzi economy' and no one is well served by bandying about these bumper sticker slogans.  Excessive risk-taking by some less than scrupulous market participants may well be part of the cause of our current troubles, but the conditions that led to the meltdown are complicated and had been building over a period of years.  To use a broad brushstroke to paint 'business' as being dishonest is counterproductive and just gets the leftist dimwits around here all lathered up.

The fact of the matter is that business is the engine of the economic growth that creates the sustainable jobs that put dollars into our pockets.  Getting this economic engine started again is priority one. Assaulting 'greedheads' will not facilitate that process, but rather will likely impede it.
Summertime blues?? Pretty soon, Obama will be one of the only ones left standing with a job, and the one most deserving of losing his job!! Don't want to hear about his blues. He doesn't have any!!!
Hope you fix your problem getting posts through.

I don't think Obama has a summertime blues problem, I think he has a rational expectations problem.  (That's a pun that only those with econ background will get).

PPP, a democratic polling organization, is doing polling in New Jersey.  Poor Obama-his approval rating in New Jersey is down to 53%.  By the way-you don't get any bluer, or dumber, than New Jersey.  We keep electing people who promise to cut our taxes, only to have them raise them, and then re elect them on the same tax-cutting promise.  The worse news for Obama is that he has lost independents-he gets a 46% disapproval to a 43% approval among them-outside of the margin of error of 1.8%.

PPP is also showing disapproval of Obama in Virginia, and Deeds losing by 6 to 8 points in the last few weeks.

Think that either Corzine or Deeds really want Obama to come campaign for them?
The only issue with the stimulus is that it was big enough other than that I have seen stimulus backed projects in my own state. The only real issue with the stimulus is that the GOP(who trimmed it in the first place) tries to complain that it hasn't done enough when they voted in unison against it in the first place....and the media laps it up.

Other than that I think Obama has had a fine summer and it's been good that he has receeded into the background as of late. His poll numbers are destined to drop because of the recession (esp in Ohio, a declining state where he barely won) but the real test on the economy will be next year. Health care seems to be on track with Democrats being steadily whipped into supporting the public option. Liberal columnists may want Obama to be more outfront..but I agree with Obama's approach that Congress and the people take a greater part in guiding this country and not edicts issued from the President. Isn't that what got us into trouble with Bush.
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama - I seems that the FOX noise crew has seized the on the word "Contingency" in regards to the Stimulas package and ran with it actually being needed.



Warren Buffett actually endorsed a second stimulus package. He said the first was so full of "candy" that it didn't provide the necessary impact on the economy. He's hoping that political payoffs are minimized in the next package and the stimulus money is provided to people and businesses that will provide long term and sustainable future growth, rather then providing it to political cronies.
Barack Bama--Let's see... Unemployment UP and sales DOWN - what a shocker. Eventually the sheep will understand that Bama-Nomics is destroying America.

Bama and Bama alone forced the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler and the loss of thousands of U.S. businesses and millions of U.S. jobs. Bama signed a $787 Stick-It-Up-Your-Arse package that increased the national debt and unemployment.
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You're either suffering from a senior moment or you're just plain daft. Bush destroyed America and so did you. Your vote put him in office. GM and Chrysler was before Congress before Obama took office seeking government support of a bailout, were they not?

Chrysler is out of bankruptcy and GM will be out as well. If it were left up to you people that would have gone completely under, wouldn't they? Distortion of fact and irresponsible spending and leadership is your sorry ass lot.

Of course sales are down. Before President Obama took the oath we were losing jobs by the hundreds of thousands daily. So cut the BS. It took eith years to f*** up this nationa and the world's economy and it wont be fixed in six months. Instant gratification...you people kill me with your BS.
DENIAL doesn't eliminate the pain and suffering and the FACTS DON'T LIE!
Barack Bama (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:01 AM)
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Here's the facts...the last time employment was this high was when reagan was in office.

He tripled our national debt to get out of it.  That's right 300% compared to 30% so far from obama.

You complain about the debt, yet blame him for not doing enought for the auto-industry.

You complain about job loss yet every major chart shows job losses slowing dramatically ever since he was able to implement policy.

You talk out your mouth and a$$ at exactly the same moment, and I can't tell which smells worse.
Perhaps folks are finally noticing that the President is expanding the Executive powers beyond what they should be at the expense of congress (I hate to quote a sign seen at a tea party, but where are Czars in the constitution?).  Whether you agree with what he is doing or not he is going about alot of it illegally.  The Dems will celebrate his ingenuity of course, but this system he has established in the White will be there when he is gone, and if a republican takes office at some point you're going to hate it all the more.  That's why we have checks and balances, and he's pissing all over them.  Just look at  HR 1207 it's a bill to audit the fed waiting for Pelosi to introduce it.  It has 250 C0-sponsors!  But it doesn't fit in with Obama's plan for economic recovery (he wants to grant the fed expanded powers with the same lack of transparency).  What is he scared of?  The other day Jim Demitt tried to introduce a similar bill as an amendment to a current bill that was on the senate, and they blocked him on it citing rule 16 which was already being broken by several other items in the bill they were voting on.  Of course a GAO audit of the Fed isn't part of Obama's plan so the Dems controlling congress and the Senate will do everything they can to block so their great and wise leader can solve the problem with little debate.  Mark my words this will come back and bite the President in the a$$.


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