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First thoughts: Obama and the Pope

Posted: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:22 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** Obama and the Pope: Remember the criticism President Obama received for that Notre Dame commencement address? Remember all the attention it got? Remember those handful of hecklers during the speech? Well, all of it seems like a distant memory -- and, in some ways, an over-politicized story -- as Obama and his family meet with Pope Benedict XVI at 10:15 am ET. As liberal columnist E.J. Dionne and the New York Times note, Obama is expected to receive a much warmer welcome from the Pope than he did from some pro-life Catholics back in May. Why? “No one pretends that the Vatican is at peace with Obama's views on the life issues,” Dionne wrote yesterday. “But the pope and many of his advisers also see Obama as a potential ally on such questions as development in the Third World, their shared approach to a quest for peace in the Middle East and the opening of a dialogue with Islam.” The pictures we’ll see from today’s meeting will carry plenty of symbolic significance, especially considering America’s sizable Catholic population.  and

*** Obama and Africa: The president later heads to Ghana today, and that trip also will carry plenty of symbolic significance -- and could demonstrate why Obama has the opportunity to do something in Africa that just isn’t about throwing money at the challenges that continent faces. In fact, at his press conference this morning, Obama told a personal story about his family struggles in Kenya. He mentioned that he still has relatives living in poverty there. And he stressed that Africa’s problems didn’t have to do with history or colonialism -- but were instead a result of the governmental problems there. “The telling point is when my father traveled to the United States from Kenya to study ... the per capita income of Kenya was higher than South Korea's," he said, per the AP. He also said people in Kenya can’t find a job without paying a bribe; that’s not the fault of the G8. “If you talk to people on the ground in Africa, certainly in Kenya... they will say that part of the issue is that the institutions are not working for ordinary people,” he said. So when Obama says these governments needs to stop blaming the West or stop blaming history, Africa really might listen to Obama.

Video: There is much excitement on the streets in Ghana as the African nation prepares for a visit from President Obama and his family. NBC’s Mara Schiavocampo reports.

*** Obama On health care: Also at the press conference, Obama said the United States is closer to health-care reform than at any time in recent history. He said that people to get the good stuff without having to pay for it. “What cannot be denied is that the only way to get a handle on our medium and long-term budget deficits if we deal with health care.”

*** A hypothetical question: As we've chronicled this week, the White House has certainly taken its lumps over the economy and the stimulus. Obama’s poll numbers have declined. Republicans have piled on. And some Democrats, predictably, are starting to get nervous and are talking about a second stimulus. But let’s turn the question around: What happens if the economy begins to improve come summer of 2010?  Will Obama's poll numbers bounce back up? Will Republicans find themselves on the defensive? And will Democrats feel better about their prospects in 2010? This is a hypothetical question, of course. As GOP strategist Kevin Madden tells First Read, "If grandma had a beard, she'd be grandpa." But the hypothetical is instructive in this respect: What truly matters here is how things look in 2010-2012, not right now. Still, Republicans see this as an important time, because a more doubtful public could turn to them and their ideas. "Here is the opportunity for Republicans: The public is listening for a debate," says Republican pollster David Winston.

*** Emphasizing that it would get worse before it got better…: Given that it was unrealistic to expect the stimulus to turn around the economy after four months of being in effect, one smart Democratic strategist tells us that it was a mistake for Obama to stop stressing that things would get worse before they got better. After all, the president made that point plenty during his first two weeks in office. In his inaugural address, he said that “the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America: They will be met." And at that town hall in Elkhart, IN, Obama said “the road ahead won't be easy. This crisis has been a long time in the making. We're not going to turn it around overnight. Recovery will likely be measured in years, not weeks or months.”

*** … and then not: Yet weeks later, Obama was no longer emphasizing that things would get worse before they got better. A possible reason: The Dow Jones was sinking, and he was getting criticism for being too pessimistic about the economy. "With your help, we passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan -- the most sweeping economic recovery package in our history,” he told the AFL-CIO on March 3 (when the Dow was at 6,700). “It will create or save three and a half million jobs over the next two years, and it will do so by putting Americans to work doing the work that America needs done." And here he was on March 12 (when the Dow was at 7,100) addressing the Business Roundtable: “That's why we've already passed a recovery plan that will save and create 3.5 million jobs over the next two years, more than 90 percent of which will be located in the private sector -- a plan that will also give 95 percent of working families a tax cut that begins by April 1st."

*** Biden fights back: But yesterday in Ohio, at a campaign-style event, Vice President Biden asked the public for patience. "Remember, we're only 140 days into this deal. It's supposed to take 18 months," he said, per the Washington Post. And then he delivered this rebuke to GOP critics: "Would they do nothing?" A case can be made that Biden’s "misread" remark sparked this week’s headaches for the White House over the stimulus, so it's perhaps fitting that he was dispatched to Ohio to fight back.

Video: Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., talks about Vice President Joe Biden’s comments that without the Stimulus Act saving and creating jobs, the unemployment rate would be severely worse than the 6.88 million record-high it has now reached.

*** Just askin’: By the way, how has it gotten lost in the public debate that about 40% of the stimulus consisted of tax cuts?

*** AIG is back in the news: Another headache for the Obama White House? The Washington Post: "American International Group is preparing to pay millions of dollars more in bonuses to several dozen top corporate executives after an earlier round of payments four months ago set off a national furor... AIG doesn't actually need the permission of Kenneth R. Feinberg, who President Obama appointed last month to oversee the compensation of top executives at seven firms that have received large federal bailouts. But officials at AIG, whose federal rescue package stands at $180 billion, have been reluctant to move forward without political cover from the government."

*** The em-Burris-ment is over? NBC News has confirmed that, at 3:00 pm ET today in Chicago, Illinois Sen. Roland Burris (D) is expected to announce that he won’t run for re-election in 2010. The news is hardly a surprise given his weak political standing as a result of the Blago scandal and also his inability to raise money. The Blago scandal -- as well as state Attorney General Lisa Madigan’s (D) decision not to run, and Rep. Mark Kirk’s (R) entry into the race -- has given Republicans an excellent opportunity to pick up Obama’s Senate seat next year. Of course, you have to ask: Would Democrats even find themselves in this position had Burris said no to Blago, giving incoming Gov. Pat Quinn (D) the ability to appoint a Madigan or an Alexi Giannoulias to the position?

Video: Hardball guest host Lawrence O'Donnell is joined by The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson and Newsweek's Michael Isikoff to assess the implications of the news that Roland Burris will not be seeking reelection.

*** Daddy’s money: Finally, all we have to say about the news of Ensign’s father giving the Hamptons $96,000 is -- wow. Why isn’t this story receiving more attention?

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Republicans don't care if Obama cut taxes or helped get a few state projects off the ground. They want to create imaginary straw men and complain about 'spending'...when they have offered no viable solutions themselves. The orange man from Ohio is perfect example...whinning about his state not receiving enough stimulus money while badmouthing the stimulus itself at the same time. And about Obama's message the only thing I would tweak IS that he needs to talk down expectations still. They hit all the right talking points during the winter..10% unemployment, get worse before it gets better, etc... but then they stopped. When Obama gets back he needs to repeat those words.
If the Obama administration wasn't concerned about dropping poll numbers in Ohio, as Axelrod insisted they weren't, why was Biden campaigning in Ohio yesterday?
Just askin'


6 months into this fiasco, this Obama nonsense is starting to crumble.
The republicans put all their eggs in one basket this year by totally rejecting the stimulus plan. Odds are, the economy WILL recover before next year's elections. And don't think the Democrats won't make hay out of that!

Of course economists can be wrong (very few predicted this recession to be as severe as it is), but all indications are that things are slowly improving.

The fact that Burris isn't running isn't a big surprise and is a very good thing. Our last "do nothing" Senator, Carol Moseley Braun lost her re-election bid against republican Peter Fitzgerald. By not seeking re-election, Burris has at least opened up the possibility of a strong Democratic candidate. But who will it be?
I know the jobs are a lagging indicator, and I have found myself in the same dilemna after the job losses after 9/11.  How do we as a country, with an ever-increasing population, have enough jobs for everyone who can and wants to work?  This is something that is going to take on new significance as we move forward with another Stimulous Debate and how well the first Stimulus worked if at all.
Really? For who? I haven't seen a dime. Maybe it's gotten washed out from all the state and local taxes going up? And from all the fees and fines going up?
Malcom Sears, Evanston Illinois (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 9:37 AM)
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Does that mean the tax cut $$ should have been used ofr other things?
How much do you think you would feel those local increases with no tax cut?

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 9:57 AM)

Pal, unless you live in Illinois, Cook County and the Chicagoland area, you have no idea. And wait until we get the Olympics that we've been told we won't have to pay a dime for. The governments tax form will be simplified to have two lines on it. The first will ask: "How much did you make?". The second will say: "Give it to us".

Government is not the answer, it's the problem.
"He said that people to get the good stuff without having to pay for it."

This is a weird sentence FR. I have read three times and I still say, huh? Must have slipped by the editor.
Pat, Boston-I have dear friends who are Cubbies fans, and even when they make the playoffs, they find a way to lose.  

Remember the black cat?  Appeared out of NOWHERE during the Mets' series?

I'm not superstitious, but, man, those Cubs seem jinxed.

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Yesterday, Dominick Montanaro had a post on the CNN/Opinion Research poll that seemed to have good news for Obama.  My exception to his post was the line that said it was 'out today'.  That poll was out on June 29-not yesterday-and has been on realclearpolitics since then.  My question is:  do you even TRY to seem objective?  I was surprised recently to learn that there is actually a journalistic ethics policy.  Fine that I don't know about it-I'm not a reporter-but shouldn't you know about it?
That's what the crawl said - "Obama Loses Support Among Independents..."

It sure got my attention.

Then I took a look at the raw numbers. Evidently, Obama's support among Independents declined 3 - 4 points according to Gallup.

Whoop de doo. If this was a national primary election or primary campaign, Chucky T and others would have dismissed this as a "statistically marginal" indicator.

Yet NBC News continued to hammer away at this for the better part of the week.

The erosion of 3 or 4 points among independent voters nationally, is to be expected after the first blush of the election has worn off. Every time the President makes a decision, there are going to be winners and losers; & he's going to annoy someone.

All of which points to my intense wish that NBC and other news outlets spent more time reporting "what happened & why" and less time prognosticating, creating news and making mischief.
Oh and here is a tip for the DNC. GOP wants to attack the stimulus...just cut an ad for each swing state and list each major stimulus backed project for that state and what it does for the locals...and ask why their representative is against job creation. Simple as that.
General Motors Out Of Bankruptcy In Record Breaking Time - Anita, Birmingham, Alabama


If you have no regard for the preferred stockholders and the bond holders, then sure, bankruptcy will go fairly quickly.

Just like with Chrysler, the Obama administration threw the GM bondholders under the bus and they got next to nothing for their investments. Anyone one in the bond market should think twice about investing in companies the government is taking over, such as health care and energy companies.
Then I took a look at the raw numbers. Evidently, Obama's support among Independents declined 3 - 4 points according to Gallup.

Whoop de doo.

Jeff Gollin, Holmdel, NJ

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Hey, that's the same thing Bush said!
It's funny no joe complains about objectivity...kinda the pot calling the kettle black isn't it.
Failure upon failure, lie upon lie. What it is is an administration and a congress that packed a so called stimulus bill with so much pork that it's had no effect on the economy, well, at least not positive. And now someone is going to have to pay for all that money Obama got from China.
Llloyd Keynesian
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Lloyd, we are paying China for the money that Bush f***ed up. 9% of the National Intake was going twards paying on the debt. So don't try to shovel this pile os s**t on the president and this administration.

If anyone want to know when does the President assume responsibility for the economy, I say when it starts to take an up trun and not before then, because it still wasn't his fault. You can only be responsible for what you've cause and no more!
>>>*** Daddy’s money: Finally, all we have to say about the news of Ensign’s father giving the Hamptons $96,000 is -- wow. Why isn’t this story receiving more attention?
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Uh, do you guys even WATCH your own network?  Ed, O'Donnel, Olbermann, and Maddow could have gotten together and put on an entire show on this last night, as they each had this as a major story.  Not to mention that it is picking up steam in the MSM.  It's certainly getting enough coverage to make some GOPers nervous.

http://jawillie.blog.com
Isn't that special...

John Ensign & his new BFF Tom Coburn... the two of them are thicker than thieves!

Obama is leading us down the wrong path. The stimulus is not working. Time to stop throwing money at every problem.
I know the jobs are a lagging indicator, and I have found myself in the same dilemna after the job losses after 9/11.  How do we as a country, with an ever-increasing population, have enough jobs for everyone who can and wants to work?  This is something that is going to take on new significance as we move forward with another Stimulous Debate and how well the first Stimulus worked if at all.
Barbara - Fort Lauderdale, FL


Good question. And we will not have an answer until the national, states, and local governments of the country get their spending under control. Until then we'll be locked in this perpetual tug of war where whenever a company or individual becomes successful, the government taxes the profits away from them to feed their bureaucracy.
What else does anyone expect from a credit-card society brought up to expect instant gratification and deferred consequences?  

It's just like alcoholism; but we're still on Step 1 of the treatment program -- in other words, we're apparently still in denial.
Does anyone else find the irony in Erics hatred toward christians and anything that resembles values? Yet day in day out we read his absolute worship of secular envirolmentalism,barack and liberalism. Its almost cultlike,and you know if you dont agree you must be a fool.
Government is not the answer, it's the problem.
Malcom Sears, Evanston Illinois (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 10:12 AM)
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There is no answer for those that refuse to understand economics.
Most people earn their living from wages but the tax code gives better rates to interest, dividends and capital gains.  Makes no sense to me.

Steeler Fan Pittsburgh, PA (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 9:32 AM)

Not true.  Interest and dividends are taxed as ordinary income, which means they are just added to wages to produce an individual's taxable income.
GOP strategist Kevin Madden tells First Read, "If grandma had a beard, she'd be grandpa."  What does this mean?  If such "epigrams" are what is being offered to the GOP as political insight, no wonder the party is in a circling maelstrom in the toilet bowl.  I'm an Independent who has voted Republican on occasion -- I'm all for a 2-party system (though 3 parties or more would be better), but I can't believe how reactionary the GOP has become.  And it listens to  hopelessly boring consultants and pollsters such as Frank Luntz (or "Lunkhead" as I call him). The GOP deserves all the sex scandals it has become mired in, but, better yet, let's hope the IRS finds fault with the tax returns of some of these perpetual-tax-cutting tea-baggers.
re: *** Obama On health care: Also at the press conference, Obama said the United States is closer to health-care reform than at any time in recent history. He said that people to get the good stuff without having to pay for it. “What cannot be denied is that the only way to get a handle on our medium and long-term budget deficits if we deal with health care.”  
Holy chips!  Have I had a stroke or overnight Alzheimers?  Hussein the Messy Messiah advocating "getting the good stuff without having to pay for it"...on the backs of honest, hard-working, tax paying legal residents of the USA!!!  The empty suit has just come off the messiah with no clothes and no ethics.
Nash - have fun, be safe :-)
No joe, No bo,

You've mixed up your economists; it's not Keynes that has been discredited, it's your pal Friedman.  The collapse of our economy after almost 30 years of Friedmanite policies should show that, while, as I recall, Keynesian ideas got us out of the Great Depression.
Hopefully, as posted, Africa will listen to P. Obama and P. Obama will listen to Africa.

What might President Obama say regarding the recent development that Egypt arrested 26 men who might have been planning attacks in the Suez Canal: http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/07/mubaraks-fight-2-days-of-militant-crackdowns-in-egypt.html
Anyone see Barack checking out the 16 year olds hinny yesterday? It's in all the papers.
Pedophiles Inc. (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 9:40 AM)

More Republican super-thinkers!  Get lost!
During his campaign, does anyone remember Obama saying that the American people deserve the same kind of healthcare that the congress have? I don't hear anything like that now.
Las vegas is hurting and the stimulus money is not here. We are still losing jobs at a large pace. Obama needs to get back here to deal with this. Is he a lame duck already?
Jet engines over that of prop planes.
It's the wave of the future, the wave of the future, the wave of the future. - Howard Hughes
Let me just remind everyone;
without the Constitution being the one and only Supreme Law of this land;
All of us are reduced to the equivalence (rights wise) of Palestinians under Israeli occupation;
We must return to a Constitutional, democratically elected, representative government - in order to be a Just society!
Without Justice life is NOT worth living!
Yeah bad chihuahua you got under my skin!

That's why you are still thinking about it enough to reply 24 hours later?

I guess we'll have to disagree on who is more hateful.
From your own posts you hate liberals, minorities, people who live in metropolitan areas, our president, the unemployed,homosexuals and anyone that disagrees with you.
The only people I have seen you support are right wing murderers and Sarah Palin.

I hate right wing extremism.

If you think I am so ignorant then let's talk issues. I'll even let you pick the subject.I'm on vacation all next week and I assume that you are jobless because you spend every day here from start to finish so bring it lil doggy! I'll be waiting!

Nashville:

Actual quotes from the President ARE spin!
"Ensign’s father giving the Hamptons $96,000 is -- wow. Why isn’t this story receiving more attention?"

Because there's no equivalent on the Democratic side of the Right Wing Noise Machine (Drudge, Rush, Hannity, etc.) that the mainstream media feels compelled to follow.

Maybe... crazy thought... journalists should decide for themselves how important a story is and cover it accordingly instead of asking "how high?" when the RW Noise Machine says "jump!"
How do we as a country, with an ever-increasing population, have enough jobs for everyone who can and wants to work?  This is something that is going to take on new significance as we move forward with another Stimulous Debate and how well the first Stimulus worked if at all.
Barbara - Fort Lauderdale, FL (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 10:11 AM)

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This is a fantastic, reasonable, and very relevant question!

From research I did a few years back, in order to write a paper for class, I found that population experts expect population growwth to slow and eventually stop over the next 30 years, plateauing at around 9 Billion. This is a 50% increase over current numbers. With America currently at an estimated 350 million we can expect our population to be about 525 million at its peak. To put it in perspective add one more person to every two you have ever seen.

Yes, the numbers are high. But, with more population there are more consumers. What we need to do to ensure we can sustain employment for all these people is to begin to make stuff again! It was widely discussed during the 08 campaign that America's manufacturing base has been devestated by imports and outsourcing. We must return to manufacturing the goods that American people want to buy. This is the only way to sustain employment for that many additional people.

I'm not a isolationist, that is not my intent. But, we must find a new approach to American manufacturing that will dissuade outsourcing. We must once again be able to take pride in manufaturing jobs, and the people who work them. For much too long factory work has been considered "below" alot of us; this trend must reverse.

In addition to increase manufacturing, I beleive green jobs will fill a portion of the gap. Imagine if all the work done overseas getting oil out of the ground, were moved over to America. Maintaining turbines, solar arrays,installing a smarter electric grid, landfill methane processing....

These are my ideas to address your concern anyway.

Good thought, and good day.
Kudos to Anita for pointing out that roughly half of the bailout money, maybe a little more, has been used and some has been paid back and her implication that what's left might not be needed.

Keeping in mind, of course, that the first half was spent on George Bush's watch (as everyone loves to point out here)and if things are going so well, Anita, what does that mean?

Now calm down Anita, I know you didn't say it in exactly that way and that your first impulse will be to nitpick my conclusion, but give some thought to the equation at least, OK?

Even Geithner is currently saying that the underlying financial system seems to have stabilized.  And as all the Obama cheerleaders seem eager to point out these days:  "These things take time to develop and have an effect."

Yes, they do.
I'll steel Eric's line -

Confirm Sotomayor Now!
cindy, las vegs, nv


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No, why bother.
Bad Chihuahua:

Hey, guy, go easy on the Prez on the butt ogling issue.  I'm older than he is and that's one issue I'm completely bi-partisan on. Assuming bi-partisanship actually exists.

Maybe non-partisan is better with regard to ogling butts.

Besides, if Michelle doesn't like it, she'll be ogling his butt for a spot to place her foot.
Excessive Salinas Poop
In addition to increase manufacturing, I beleive green jobs will fill a portion of the gap. Imagine if all the work done overseas getting oil out of the ground, were moved over to America. Maintaining turbines, solar arrays,installing a smarter electric grid, landfill methane processing....

These are my ideas to address your concern anyway.

Good thought, and good day.
Ted, Mid Michigan


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Then create a company, present your business plan to venture capitalists to get your funding, sell stocks and bonds if you choose to go public, and off you go. You'll probably make millions. You can also check on T Boone Pickens for initial funding. He has time now seeing his wind farm in Texas failed. You may want to discuss the problems he encountered so you don't make the same mistakes.


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