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Save the small businesses!

Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:45 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Anyone who follows American politics knows that words -- and their power -- matter.

After all, it's why one side says "estate tax" and the other "death tax"; it's why, regarding Social Security, one party calls it "privatization" and the other says "personal accounts"; and it's why, in the current health-care debate, Democrats refer to the "public option" and Republicans use the term "government-run."

Now in their criticism of the new House Democratic health-care bill, which would impose a surtax on individuals making $280,000-plus and families making $350,000-plus, Republicans are using this verbal twist: It's a tax on small businesses.

Here's House Minority Leader John Boehner

asking today: "We want to tax small businesses?" 

Here's RNC Chairman Michael Steele
: “The Democrats’ priorities for health care reform are now clear: a government-run system financed on the backs of Americans and small businesses with higher taxes."

Here's Indiana Rep. Mike Pence: "The American people are looking for real solutions to create jobs and get our economy back on track, not another excuse to raise taxes on small businesses and working families."


And here's even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce: “The intention of this plan is to tax high income households, but the real victims would be America’s small business owners."

A Republican aide justifies calling a surtax on the highest income earners "a tax on small businesses," because most small businesses file as individuals. And if you raise taxes on the wealthy, many of them have small business income.

But not all small business owners, of course, earn $280,000-plus a year. And under the GOP's logic, you could call it a "millionaire's tax," since it will apply to millionaires.

Perhaps one reason why Republicans are calling this a small-business tax: Our June NBC/WSJ poll found that a sizable majority of Americans -- 62% -- support paying for health-care reform by taxing those making more $250,000.

All that said, Republicans do seem to have legitimate attack on this particular point: If the House bill becomes law, it could break President Obama's campaign pledge that no one would see their taxes rates go higher than they were during the Clinton years.

According to CongressDaily, "The surcharge would be assessed on an upward sliding scale, topping out so that millionaires pay the biggest share, rising for each income category again in 2013 if additional savings are not found. That could lead to a top rate approaching 45 percent, depending on how the final version is structured, as under the Obama budget plan the top tax brackets were already set in 2011 to revert back to the Clinton-era 36 percent and 39.6 percent rates."

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Even though you never post my comments I am still going to give them to you.  I want there to be insurance for everyone but I don't want to pay for all of it.  I have a college education, a good job, a great house and a mortgage that would make you gag.  My paycheck is cut in half before I even get it because of all the deductions and I can't afford to pay for any more.  I am not by any means rich and I live paycheck to paycheck even though everyone thinks I'm rich.  Why do I have to pay for this and why can't every body else chip in?  
Now I have another comment.  If the tax bracket goes up to 45% and California tax is 10% that means that I would be better off not working.  55% of my pay for taxes is beyond anything anyone could possibly agree to.  I will guit working and use the public option for insurance.  Why the hell would anyone go to college to get a good job so the government can take over half of their money?
Why does every plan Obama mentioned in the campaign become a "pledge"?  I mean you could somewhat credibly say that he pledged not to raise taxes on those under $250k, but I don't he "pledged" not to raise taxes above Clinton rates for those over $250k.  He did say that his plan would not do so, but he didn't "pledge" that he wouldn't.
BLAH ! BLAH ! BLAH !!

Yeah, that's really interesting .....

---More babbled inanities from Republicans---

BLAH ! BLAH ! BLAH !!



YES WE CAN !!!

Thank you Nancy Pelosi !!

You brought San Francisco Values to AMERICA !!!

(See ? elections do have consequences)
Only NINE percent of people with small business income have income over $250K, so this conservative effort to say that a surcharge will hurt small business is intentionally misrepresenting the facts. (Source: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2697).  People who earn $250K/year are in the top 2-3 percent of income- so that's not what most people mean when they say "working families."  Passing a good health care reform will help small businesses that can't afford to provide health care to employees, and they will be able to offer better benefits at a lower cost than now.
I wish our President would get this economy fixed like he promised instead of wasting his time at the baseball game.  When he gets this thing fixe (which I highly doubt he can), then he can take some time off. He works for me and I expect him to go full throttle. He has caused 20% unemployment some states and he needs to correct his errors. But, I guess he does not feel the pain of the American people. Oh well, another flunky democratic  President.  Later.
I am having trouble remembering this so-called pledge you refer to of Obama's.  I remember him talking about how his particular tax plan would not exceed rates paid under Clinton, but, then, that is a different discussion, isn't it?  This one is about a Congressional plan to pay for health care and a future contingency in it at that.

Why are the two being conflated?

Oh, and, Cindy Irvine CA, you are already paying for health care for those who don't have insurance, and you are doing so in the costliest way available in our system.  We all are.  Why is it that you think you are the only one who is going to pay for "all of it", whatever 'it' might be?

What does joe the faux plumbing business owner have to say? He and just about 98% of us can only dream of having net taxable income over 250K but 100% of us need health insurance, eventually.

By the way, who pays for your health insurance?
More Repugnican talking points from you talking heads. Where are the facts??? MSierra and Lee Farris have got it right in spite of you "reporters."
I work for a rich guy. In fact, I have worked for several rich guys over the past thirty years and its always the same. Higher taxes won't put a dent in his 1,000 a night hotel suites, private jet, $500 dinners (for two), 3 properties worth approx close to $8 million, $50,000 family vacations, the next year luxury vaca for two at around $20,000, a couple a thousand dollars a month on wine, jewelry, watches and my personal favorite, charity contributions to his alma mater to get buildings named after him and major contributions to schools his kids attended and the prospective schools he wants his grandkids to attend.

I'm not begrudging his success or right to it, but I am a secretary earning in one year what this person earns in one day and yet I pay the same tax rate he does. The Bush tax cuts did nothing but add to the cash he gives his kids through trusts to avoid taxes every year, twice a year (most recently over $40,000 to each), and the inheritance his children and grandchildren will recieve.

So when the republicans tell you that increased taxes on the wealthy is taxing small business and tax cuts create jobs, they are lying. Just like they lie about everything.
I have a college education, a good job, a great house and a mortgage that would make you gag.    
Cindy Irvine CA

I've got something that will make you gag too Cindy.
BLAH ! BLAH ! BLAH !!



YES WE CAN !!!


MSierra, SF


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Yes you can what?
Cindy, if the tax rate is raised to 45%, you don't pay 45% on all of your income.  Just on your income that is in that tax bracket.  Nobody pays their top tax rate on all of their income.  For example, if I make just $1 above the limit that gets taxed at 45%, I only pay 45% on that $1.  So no, you would not be better off not working.  And to say otherwise is a blatant attempt to confuse the issue.
John McCain and Obama are both in those SB numbers because of how they file revenue made from book sales etc... Very few in the SB category over $250K have employee's. Most are self employed doctors, lawyers, market investors etc...  The GOP really need to get off this SB claim since we all know that is code word for corporate America.

Also, Cindy, let me know when you quit since I would love to have your job. I make $28K/yr and it would be nice if I could live check to check. I always run out before the next check.
Republicans are a HUGE joke. It took 8 years of the WORST economic management to create the DEEPEST economic decline (in nominal terms), which is what Bush and Cheney did. And the republicans expect the problem to be fixed in 5 months??

Where was the outrage when the country wasted $1 trillion on the "war without end" in Iraq? Where was the outrage when we bought gas at over $4/gallon that effectively drained the economy of life? Where was the outrage when "tax-cuts" created one deficit budget after another in the last 8 years when we did not need tax-cuts?

These uninformed attacks are very similar to what President Clinton endured in his early days and his tenure ended with the LARGEST economic expansion in human history and a record budget surplus.

Republicans, please hide your heads in shame! I am fully confident that the economy will be sound again by the end of this year given the credit crisis is already fixed in record time and republicans can't stop that from happening. YES, WE CAN!
You dont pay anywhere near the percentage that he pays dear. And if you could, you would do exactly what he is doing and, unlike him, bitch and moan about how much moeny is stolen from your paycheck, and (like most wealthy liberals who statistically give less than half of what conservatives give to charity (in any measure you care to use, either as a percentage of income or flat cumulative numbers). You are right about one thing - HE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED MUCH BY ANYTHING THIS IDIOTIC ADMINISTRATION DOES BECAUSE HE WILL FIND A WAY TO MAKE MORE AND WORK HARDER -  You are about to see the real lie - the same lie that every liberal tells - loL YOU ARE A FOOL BECAUSE IT IS YOU WHO IS GOING TO FEEL THE TAX HIKES THAT ARE COMMING - CAP AND TRADE, CIGARETTE AND ALCOHOL,INCREASED GAS PRICES, INFLATION, NEW TAXES ON HEALTH CARE, NEW LOSSES OF FREEDOM ETC ETC  BECAUSE WHEN LIBERALS PALY THIS CLASS WARFARE GAME TEH MIDDLE CLASS ALWAYS SUFFERS -  THERE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH - EVEN IF OYU TAKE 98% OF ALL THE "RICH" PEOPLES HARD EARNED CASH - TO DO A TENTH OF WHAT OBAMA IS DOING.. lol lmfao - DONT YOU REMEMBER CARTER.  
Hey guess what?  It's my friggen money and if I don't want to pay for someone else's insurance I shouldn't have to.
If I can take my high school education and turn it into the lifestyle which I have built for my self then anyone else can too.
Another thing.  If I am paying for someone else’s health care then I want a say about whether they smoke, drink, use drugs, have risky sex, or have abortions.  I mean it is still my money right?  Because if it isn’t then I am just working for the Communist party.
This will probably be the last straw.  You will see a new party in charge after the next presidential elections.
Raising taxes on the rich will effect the poor just as much.  Those taxes get passed down to the employees and the consumers.

I'm not for a public option but if they are going to do it Why not make a fair tax.  Tax unhealthy products like candy and ciggs.  

Those are the poeple that will need the most health coverage anyway, the smokers and the plus size crowd.

Theres no money left to save small business,  sorry your not one of the big boys whom we bailed out and is now making millions on our money while no one will help you...Next election give big money to politicians running and you can get and ambassador position , or money to your private investments....folks it hasnt changed it politics as usual and no change....
The GOP "spokespersons" are what keep us ex-Republicans away, & now voting Democratic.No one even attempts to understand the details, & then negotiate. They just say "no", have lousy ideas, & act like babies. Obama is MORE understanding & in comtrol of helping small business than the GOP misplaced comments.We at least have a strong chance of success with a smart President, rather than the idiots of the current GOP that are extremists instead of Republican.
If YES YOU CAN, then please do.  So far all I see is speaches and bills that people don't read but approve. It is supposed to be transparent but isn't. This was supposed to be change for the better.  So far there is none.
Mark, words do matter.  But, when people used them to mislead and be deceptive - then the meaning is lost and the power is weakened.

You and I both know that when the republicans uses words - it's only to be deceptive and to inject doubt to those who are too weak to understand the context of the spokened words.

Words in themselves are not powerful - it the context in which they are used - and even then "power" is not a meaning within it's self.

“Power” means nothing nor does “words” – unless the contexts of them are understood.  

My point – it’s the context – which may be powerful – not the word.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
Smoke and Mirrors--more republican BS. The party of obstruction is attempting to muddy the water on HCR by placing fear on small businesses...what a joke.
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I am not by any means rich and I live paycheck to paycheck even though everyone thinks I'm rich.  Why do I have to pay for this and why can't every body else chip in?  
Cindy Irvine CA

I am a 54 year old business owner, empty nester, have already reached my required limt of payments for SSA (12 years ago) yet my tax bracket places me in the over and above. I am willing to pay for those that can't afford coverage...I can't take it with me.

No to GOP answer to HCR...Insurace Vouchers, say...wasn't that John McCain's answer to HCR? Medicare still needs fixing. We are paying out more than we're taking in.
Again, republican spin.  Most of those earning more than $250,000 are not small business owners.  One thing I'll say is that their spin uses what little imagination they have.  

Rick, Texas, some of your point is valid but not practical.  I'm pro-choice but don't feel the tax payer should fund abortion in the public option HCR plan but I do think tax payers should fund birth control and real sex education instead of abstinence only in order to reduce and possibly prevent the need for abortions.  I don't like my tax money paying for F-22 aircraft that are a money eating monster or for the war in Iraq.  If we were able to select what we'd pay for, America would be a police state.
Hey guess what?  It's my friggen money and if I don't want to pay for someone else's insurance I shouldn't have to.
Rick, Texas
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Guess what, Rick.  I didnt want my friggen money to be used to invade a country that hadnt done anything to us.  But hey, elections have consequences.  Even stolen ones.
Right on, Jon!  Lets have a fat tax!  You are 20lbs over your ideal weight then you start paying more taxes and the amount goes up with every pound.  What a great idea!  America is obese and obesity causes huge health problems.  Get those fat people paying up or get them off of their asses.


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