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First thoughts: it's the economy

Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:45 AM by firstread
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, Ali Weinberg, Kelly Paice and Huma Zaidi Razvi
****** It's The Economy... Sandwiched between a few Afghanistan-centric days, today is all about the economy, as the President meets with business leaders over lunch, and later with Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. These meetings come after a closed-door discussion yesterday with Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, where job stimulus was the hot topic. Today is also hoops-heavy for the president. He'll stop by the White House basketball court to watch the National Naval Medical Center Marine Wounded Warrior basketball team play. And in the evening, after meetings with Geithner and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, it's back to basketball, as Obama takes the court with cabinet secretaries and members of Congress, including Geithner, Education Secretary Duncan, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, and Representatives Brad Ellsworth (D-IN), Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Frank Kratovil (D-MD). BTW, the folks at the WNBA won't be pleased to know that the president doesn't have any women playing in his pickup game.

*** Can't Spell Cobble Together Without CBO: It took two and half months longer than planned (and actually the clock is still ticking on passage) but Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus did it, he got the president a health care bill that reduces the deficit, according to the Congressional Budget Office. How can you tell if bill could pass and is potentially the president's silver bullet? Check out Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell's reaction to the CBO scoring:  “This partisan Finance Committee proposal will never see the Senate floor since the real bill will be written by Democrat leaders in a closed-to-the-public conference room somewhere in the Capitol.  The real bill will be another 1,000-page, trillion-dollar experiment that slashes a half-trillion dollars from seniors’ Medicare, raises taxes on American families by $400 billion, increases health care premiums, and vastly expands the role of the federal government in the personal health care decisions of every American.”  Did you catch that? The GOP spin on this is that Baucus' bill won't be "the real bill." And he's right, to a point, there will be some changes, i.e. some form of a public option, but the bar's been set by Baucus on the deficit front. And considering the initial reaction the Baucus bill is receiving on the Hill, don't be surprised if the White House makes this bill the standardbearer.

*** Second Stimulus? For the second day in a row, the Congressional Dem leadership team visited the White House but the topic wasn't Afghanistan, it was jobs. And while you won't hear the actual phrase "second stimulus" out of the Democrats or the White House, it does sound like something is coming. Pelosi said that they are "committed to take further action on behalf of the millions of Americans out of work or at risk of losing their jobs, their savings and their homes.” The questions now are what, and how big it will be. Republicans are having a field day over this news as they are using this chatter this week about the possibility of some sort of jobs package as a way to attack, again, the $800B stimulus bill passed last spring. Privately, those inside the White House will concede the blew the messaging on that bill by pushing the "jobs" aspect of it but it was "in the now" decision, i.e., they needed a talking point to get the bill passed. Now many wish they never uttered the word "jobs" in connection with that first stimulus because it makes the job of whatever they are going to sell this fall that much harder. That said, the administration has no choice. As Dem pollster Mark Penn wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal, "no statistic is more vital in human or political terms than unemployment." If the jobs situation stays dismal, and Democrats don't do anything about it, they risk looking downright uncaring--dangerous especially coming into an election year.

*** No Good Deeds... Sports columnist Jim Murray once wrote, "The charm of baseball is that, dull as it may be on the field, it is endlessly fascinating as a rehash." It's kind of like political campaigns, sometimes it's hard to watch in the moment but it's fun to rehash, unless you're rehashing before the end of the campaign! That said, just one day after Virginia Gubernatorial Democratic nominee Creigh Deeds spent crucial time at a candidate forum coming up with excuses for losing, which included an indirect shot at the national party and landscape, the DNC kicked it into high gear on a number of fronts, including attempting to galvanize the base nationally about the race. So score one for Deeds? As inarticulate as he was about his political problems, which included no finger pointing at himself, it did appear to have the desired effect on the DNC. That said, it is stunning that the national GOP is so much more united in their support for Bob McDonnell.

*** Rangel-ing a Majority: While Democrats voted overwhelmingly to table a resolution to strip House Ways and Means chairman Charlie Rangel of his post, it was interesting to check in on the Democrats who voted with the majority of Republicans and the few Republicans who voted with the majority of Democrats. Mississippi Reps. Gene Taylor and Travis Childers joined the minority in voting against Rangel. But check out some of the Republicans who voted against their caucus: From Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA) to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) to Peter King (R-NY). Overall, more Republicans voted with the Democrats than the other way around. The real test for Rangel and the Democrats will be after the Ethics Committee finishes its investigation.

*** Continuing our states to watch in 2010 series, numbers 5 and 6 are below. The first four: CO, OH, FL and NH.

*** States To Watch In 2010 -- Nevada: The stories emerging out of this presidential battleground state are almost endless: Another Democratic majority leader (Harry Reid) is in danger of losing his Senate seat; his son (Rory Reid) is running for governor in a race that could go either way; the incumbent GOP governor (Jim Gibbons) is going through a divorce over allegations of infidelity and even by a lawsuit by a woman claiming that he assaulted her in a parking garage; and there's a competitive House race (freshman Democratic Rep. Dina Titus is one of the GOP's top targets). Speaking of sons, one of the top Republican contenders for Harry Reid’s Senate seat is Danny Tarkanian, whose father is the towel-gnawing former famed UNLV Runnin’ Rebels basketball coach Jerry Tarkanian. Both Danny Tarkanian and former state GOP chairwoman Sue Lowden -- who’s exploring a bid -- lead Reid in recent polls. In the race for governor, Gibbons will face a tough challenge from District Court judge Brian Sandoval, a former state attorney general, in the primary. BTW, the Reid dynasty aspect is, perhaps, the single most under-examined aspect of 2010.

*** States To Watch In 2010 -- Arkansas: If Ohio, Colorado, and New Hampshire are the states to measure the health of the Democrats in Year Two of the Obama Era, then Arkansas could very well be the state to gauge whether Republicans can finally win in a state where it SHOULD be winning but HASN'T -- outside of the presidential election. The marquee contest in the state is Sen. Blanche Lincoln's re-election. If Republicans can't find a way to win here, no matter how well Lincoln may have inoculated herself in this political climate, you've got to wonder when Republicans will begin to win office in a state where Obama won just 39% of the vote last year. On the other hand, if Republicans CAN defeat Lincoln, that will tell us a great tell a great deal about the Democrats' brand in the South, even in a state like Arkansas where it's had plenty of success (with Lincoln, Mark Pryor, and Mike Beebe). Right now, Republicans' preferred candidate to face Lincoln is state Sen. Gilbert Baker, but he must first deal with an increasingly crowded GOP field.  No other state in the South will do a better job telling the story of 2010 in this region than Bill Clinton's home state.

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Comments

From the looks of things… we are going to get HCR this year! And I believe it will have a strong public option!

What a waste of perfectly good ‘tea bags’ righties!  Maybe you can put your Hitler/Obama posters on E-bay and make a couple $$$.  LOL!

You know the GEENOPEE is in trouble when even Bob Dole is calling them ‘Obstructionists’!

Add to that Bill Frist & the ‘Guvahner’!

I will give the moderate Republicant’s credit for being sharp enough to see the writing on the wall!

Yes… the tide is surely a changing… The party of stale male & pale will be wondering around the political wilderness for years to come… Unless they ‘snap’ out of their collective coma’s.

Ps: to my leftie friends out there – can anyone explain what this is supposed to represent?  I’m seeing it more & more around here and trying to rationalize what goes on in the right wing whack jobs psyche is like arm wrestling a snake!

‘Barrack Hussien Obama Mmmmm-MMmmmmm-Mmmmmm’

Wonder if they get a ‘tingle’ up their leg every time they get to say Hussein?

Hell they can’t even SPELL it correctly!
It is going to be GREAT watching the same Republicans and pundits that were beating us over the head ALL SUMMER with non-partisan CBO estimates  that they liked attempt to discredit and ignore the CBO report that yet ANOTHER version of health reform reduces the deficit, something that they SWORE was IMPOSSIBLE! lol

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From yesterday:

Nashville_fan (Sent Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM): “Bill, how is it a "service" to pay my doctor bills with a SMALL FRACTION of the money that I have already paid you?”

Where in the world do you get this drivel???  Would you care to provide the board with a credible source that supports your outrageous statement that health insurance companies only spend a ‘small fraction’ of their revenues paying claims?
Bill, Fairfax, VA (Sent Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:31 PM)
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Bill,

I get this "drive"l from ther real world, not from the Aetna corporate office where you work! lol

I would be happy to answer your question, ‘cept you haven’t answered any of mine. Hard to “converse” with folk who only acknowledge facts they agree with.

As you will see if you READ what I wrote instead of SPIN it, what I typed was “how is it a "service" to pay my doctor bills with a SMALL FRACTION of the money that I have already paid you?”, as in I get no where near what I pay in health insurance premiums back in services, and in the event that I need to get anything close to what I put in back, I have a good chance of being dropped (with no refund for monies already paid).

Here’s a remnder of the OTHER questions you conveniently sidestepped:

“Bill, do you deny the health insurance companies drop people who have paid for coverage to make a profit?

Bill, do you deny the health insurance companies pay their executives ENORMOUS salaries?

Bill, do you deny the health insurance companies tie employee bonuses to number of policies dropped?“

Happy spinning!
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Nashville, don't let anyone talk you into leaving.  You're your own person and shouldn't let the syncophants influence your decision.

Besides, you're a star on the Huffington Post and your influence is expanding far and wide.  You should be a happy person

- Richard, Washington State (Sent Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:43 PM)
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Thanks for the kind words Richard . . . I am a happy person and I am not planning on leaving . . . just refocusing on substance instead of trading insults
with cheap shot artists that offer no solutions.  

P.S. I almost never post comments at Huffington Post, so maybe you have me confused with some other brilliant poster over there? :)
‘Barrack Hussien Obama Mmmmm-MMmmmmm-Mmmmmm’

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:50 AM)


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I would make a small wager that they saw beck, or limbuagh or hannity say it first.  
First Read reports: Today is also hoops-heavy for the president. He'll stop by the White House basketball court to watch the National Naval Medical Center Marine Wounded Warrior basketball team play.


Make sure those guys oil their wheels. Barack doesn't like to hear high pitch squeaky noises.
Keep the Change:

“Anita, you neglected to mention that the whole time that the Republicans controlled Congress during Bush's terms, unemployment was dropping.  When the Democrats took over the last couple years, that's when unemployment rose.”
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
You have no idea what causes recessions, how the cycle starts and ends or how to evaluate the contributing factors.
You probable don’t even know the leading and lagging indicators.

This one started in 2007 which means the factors causing it began more than a year prior to that time. This is when the Repubs had full control.

But now is not the time for blame or evaluation. It is time for all of us to help each other thru this and to find a way to end it.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL: Keep in mind… EVERY 12 minutes in this country an American DIES because of lack of health care…

Is that using the same math Obama uses to claim he's "created" a million jobs, and "saved" a million other jobs?



Noted that CNN "Fact Checked" SNLs parody of Obama regarding Obama not getting anything done in his first 8 months in office. Funny don't you think, funny that CNN never fact checked SNL when they were tearing into Bush/Palin/McCain.
Gibbons just another in a long line of sleazy family and moral values guy in the GOP. Come on now its the santity of marriage.
President Obama’s Health Care Strategy

It didn’t take me but a fraction of time to realize that the President had an actual working strategy for the Health Care Reform debate.  The President “knew” that the Blue Dogs on the Senate Finance Committee would face “serious questions” regarding the funds they’ve received from the insurance companies to protect their interest. The bill by-passed the house and was assigned to the Senate Finance Committee first. In other words…get through the BS first as opposed to introducing it in the house first (a simple flip-flop). The Republicans spent the entire month of August lying and posturing with attempts of defeating of Health Care Reform and the President, while the public got a chance to see them (republicans) for what they really were.

Yes…the rope-a dope strategy was used and now the republicans and their smear machine’s lies only benefited the party in power. Didn’t the press rip President Obama apart when he held the news conference back when you all went “crazy” over the Gates incident? The president didn’t offer you all any information about HCR and you all got it wrong then. He held the information—very close to his chest—didn’t he…ever wondered why? Howard Fineman—I appreciate you owning up to the fact that you’ve doubted and criticized the President’s handling of this issue as you quoted:

“WASHINGTON - The Beltway consensus, aka the conventional wisdom, has turned on
President Barack Obama. Pundits, including me, are stressing his flaws and mistakes. So now is the time for me to get ahead of the crowd again and suggest that perhaps he actually knows what he's doing --at least on health care. Whether he will achieve real reform is a different question, but he does seem to have a strategy for getting a bill to his desk”.

Mr. Fineman--it’s called CHANGE. This administration isn’t playing the same old tired ass Reagan or any other president’s politics and it’s high time you all adjust to the facts. We have on Main Street. Please do me/us a favor--Reagan wasn’t a good President (history has recorded it and I lived it) so please stop quoting what Reagan did—because he stunk. The “worst” President in the history of this nation “in my opinion” was BUSH. He was OUT TO LUNCH—every day.

Trust me Mr. Fineman—the President “does know” what he’s doing facing all of our issues. You all are so accustomed to the usual politics and the usual has always failed. Stop being so quick to expect defeat just because this President was never Governor of a State. Sarah Palin was Governor and failed so badly at it that she QUIT…not to mention the fact that she like Bush—was NEVER QUALIFIED for the office of Governor in the first place.

Mr. Fineman—the president will get off the ropes when it’s necessary to do so (it’s HIS GAME) and he definitely has what it takes to be the CHAMP. I really do appreciate and respect a man that admits when he’s been doubtful, or wrong about someone. And Mr. Fineman…my “purposefully” unpredictable, misspelling, word tangling ass really started understanding what the President was doing say…about a month in a half ago. That was why I stopped discussing HCR.

There will be plenty of teachable moments coming from this Administration and all media needs to do is stop attempting to pattern this President using others. Please understand that this President is unconventional (read renegade) and respect him as a man that should be equal to others such as you. Don’t judge a book by its cover….this president is methodical. It’s time to get used to the fact that he is REALLY QUALIFIED to run this NATION.

Keith Olbermann, your special comment was excellent!
Solid vote to retain Charlie Rangel on the House Ways and Means committee! It's become quite clear that Democrats don't really much care about tax cheats serving in high positions. Taxes are to be paid by the 'little-guys' anyway, right? The priviledged class types like Charlie are exempt.
Happy Birthday Fox News! The big 1-3!
Noted that CNN is now into showing "Cute kids singing songs honoring Barack Obama". It's better to get those kids out of singing in the classroom and into a major news outlet studio because the video and audio sound quality is much more professional.
it is stunning that the national GOP is so much more united in their support for Bob McDonnell.


It's really not stunning-Dems don't want to hear this, but McDonnell is a much better candidate than their guy.  
Watched Olbermanns Health Care show for a bit last night. Looks like Keith is just like Obie. He too reads his entire speech from a teleprompter.
"Did you catch that? The GOP spin on this is that Baucus' bill won't be "the real bill." And he's right, to a point, there will be some changes, i.e. some form of a public option, but the bar's been set by Baucus on the deficit front. And considering the initial reaction the Baucus bill is receiving on the Hill, don't be surprised if the White House makes this bill the standardbearer." - First Read
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Gotta love the way that the punditocracy continues to move the goal posts, never acknowledging an error or misjudgment.

You spent the entire summer telling us that the public option was dead and that no other effor mattered other than the Finance committee and co-ops.

Then when that imploded, you told us that it was because the President wasn't being "bipartisan" enough, even the the Republicn members of the bipartisan "Gang of Six" spent the summer spreading
lies about health reform.

Then it was - the President lost the message war, the President was waffling on the public option, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And now you shamelessly circle back around to first base and state innocently - the Baucus bill is the standard bearer.

Until it's not . . . right First Read? lol


Stunning when GOP support their own? The GOP will stand behind their candidate even if Freddy Cruger were running for office. Even more stunning is the base would vote for him!

Thanks Keith O. for putting the HC crisis in perspective and for showing us that without it the end result is death sooner than it need to come. Your personal story of your father's health struggles was a two-edged sword in the battle for affordable healthcare for all. Thank you for your time and efforts in this worthy cause.
Thanks for the kind words Richard . . . I am a happy person and I am not planning on leaving . . . just refocusing on substance instead of trading insults
with cheap shot artists that offer no solutions.  

Nashville_fan (Sent Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:54 AM)
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That sounds like the plan that most of us liberal-progressive minded people should follow.  :)

Also I think your arguement about the insurance companies are right on.

Most will try and bring up the insurance mantra of "spreading risk to many for piece of mind" but while that holds true of non-profit insurance companies, what for-profit insurance companies are doing is hiring stats majors out of grad-school to come up with the right formulas to make money...much like?

You guessed it, Casinos.

They are betting that you are not going to get sick.
Insurance text books will tell you that.  
-->> From the looks of things… we are going to get HCR this year! And I believe it will have a strong public option! <<---

What's your position on the Tooth Fairy? The Sandman? The Wicked Witch of the West? That last one might be true, I think that would be Nancy Pelosi.
Falely - "Funny don't you think, funny that CNN never fact checked SNL when they were tearing into Bush/Palin/McCain."


Actually they did but don't let me stop you from distorting the facts.
Thank you Keith for your Special Comment last night. I wondered yesterday if we as a country had become lazy. I wasn't using the correct word.

I think what we have become is callous. Death is devastating and no one should EVER lose a family member due to lack of proper health care. I don't care if they live in Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi or Massachusetts.

No one should lose their home or have to sell their personal belongings because of hospital bills. This is America. We can do better.

This is why we voted for the Democrats. What the hell is wrong with the Republicans in this country? Why is it that they don't give a damn about anyone? What exactly do they think their job is as an elected official?

Good luck with the clinics. We are all going to do our part to see that this succeeds.

What a difference in message between what the Town Hall crowds were saying and what you were saying Keith.

Death panels? Guns? What a disgrace. I bet Dick Armey was proud. As 100 more people die today because of lack of insurance.

Fox and Limbaugh may have a bigger audience. But we progressives have a better community; a community who will continue to work hard to see that ALL Americans get proper health care. Democrats and Republicans.


If we don't pass Barack Obama's health care reform plan, everyone, and I do mean everyone, will someday die!
One thing with Olbermann, and Maddow for that matter, they rarely if ever bring anyone on that disagrees with their point of view. It just does not happen. Switch to Fox, and O'Reilly certainly has his set of people that agree with him on, but he also gives voice to the other side. ACORNs Bertha Lewis is on Fox anytime she wants. Democrat Bob Beckel is a constant guest on Fox. Left wing scholars are always welcome. Anti-capitalist Michael Moore had a civil and excellent discussion with Sean Hannity the other night - no shouting, no finger pointing, no cheap shots - just two different viewpoints, and you decide who you agree with. Charlie Rangel was a regular on Fox until his tax problems came up. Al Sharpton is on every other week.

With Fox you will get diverse opinions and different viewpoints. With Olbermann/Maddow, you'll get the same liberal cheerleaders, day in, day out. Same with CNN where you'll see panels with either one semi-conservative voice, or none at all. And the ratings show the results.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus did it, he got the president a health care bill that reduces the deficit, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Read it and weep righties. I know your death squad assigned to kill the health care bill has tried so hard to kill it for budgetary reasons but obviously they have failed. We can do better by taking the money we would spend in Iraq and Afghanistan and use that on AMERICANS and healthcare.
Countdown last night, KO gave the best arguement FOR health insurance reform so far. If this was Rush or Glen and the like, quotes would be all over the media.

Health Care/Insurance Reform for all....NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
FR-- And he's right, to a point, there will be some changes, i.e. some form of a public option, but the bar's been set by Baucus on the deficit front. And considering the initial reaction the Baucus bill is receiving on the Hill, don't be surprised if the White House makes this bill the standardbearer.
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I fully expect the public option to be added to this bill and it will not affect the deficit. Didn’t the republicans pass Medicare Advantage at approximately 400-600 billion added to the growing deficit with a qualm? It isn’t funded to this day.

While the republicans were busy lying in August, the Democrats were busy behind the scenes crafting HCR. They are too stupid to realize that their BS is no longer working. If only they start paying attention and listening to the will of the people.

Sadly…they’re still stuck-on-stupid. Where is your plan Republicans?
With the Baucus bill going to a vote, the Trial Lawyers are celebrating over on K Street! Not one bill out of any committee even mentions Tort reform. Nice job Democrats, you were true to your lobbying groups! And, the check is in the mail.
Looks like the health care debate has been well played by Obama. I had a hunch months back that his steady attitude/guidance would produce positive results. As much flack as Baucus has recieved from the left, I think he should be given credit for proving effective reform IS possible. It has been interesting to see the Fox News crowd to wait with baited breath over the CBO report and then dismiss them when it didn't "produce the results" they wanted.
Rush has been playing his "song of adoration" froma group of children.  They sound just like Obie group! Maybe they should join together...bipartisanship.
To Keith Olbermann:  Your special comment was riveting.Having gone through a similar situation with my own mother, I was deeply affected by what has gone on with your dad.  All best wishes to your family, and most especially your father.

Democrats:  If Henry Reid loses that election, in some ways it will be a Godsend.  He is a disaster in the position he is in and should be replaced immediately. He is spineless.  If we, as proud liberals, are going to stand for Health Insurance Reform, we need to go to the wall with it and quit pretending that the Republicans have any interest whatsoever in working with us or working for the common good.  They are only for their country club buddies, and could give a good, well, you know, if you, I or anyone else has health insurance.  Next, if Charlie Rangel has crossed lines that verge into illegal behavior, he needs to be replaced too.  We can't stand for law and order only for Shrub and Co.  Lastly, Scalia crossed all kinds of lines yesterday about the cross in the Mojave war memorial.  He is either the most tone deaf (insert anglo saxon word here) that ever lived or he is just plain stupid. IMPEACH JUSTICE SCALIA NOW.
They are betting that you are not going to get sick.
Insurance text books will tell you that.  
Greg P. NW Indiana


Did you note where there was one of Baucus's major tax increases? Medical equipmment. Who uses medical equipment? Sick people. So Baucus is raising taxes on people because they got sick.  
And while you won't hear the actual phrase "second stimulus" out of the Democrats or the White House, it does sound like something is coming. Pelosi said that they are "committed to take further action on behalf of the millions of Americans out of work or at risk of losing their jobs, their savings and their homes.”

we have already had 2 stimulas, the cash for clunkers, 3 billion dollars,  the tax credit for buying a home, the main 800 billion has only had 40% spent, we must give that time, or release the other 60% of the 800 billion right now. but no more spending money we will not have for 20 years. now i'm a good democratic soldier, but NO.
or get our money from the car companies and spend that, but no more new spending, yesterday we aproved another trillion for the wars. enough is enough.

also yesterday

Keep in mind… EVERY 12 minutes in this country an American DIES because of lack of health care…
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:40 AM)

Keep in mind this number is another liberal lie....
Hey Feisty moron do you have thename of one person who died due to lack of heath care?

What_you_Selling

I can name you a preson that dies because of lack of health insurance, my mother.
Judith Daniels, she was 64. and dies of cancer.
She had health insurance for all her life untill she was forced to retire at 55, she could not afford the cobra insurance her job offered her, she was to young for medicare, she could not buy insurance because of her cancer.
You asked of 1 person who died because of lack of insurance, well I”m sure my story is tryical of why we need HCR.
What kind of monster are you to ask something like that, to me it shows you have no compassion for your fellow american and you sould be ashamed of you self, thing have away of coming back to people like you, have you been to the doctor lately.
It looks like the four coners game the repubilklans have been playing is over,no more excuse's now that the CBO has scored the bill.But it is rather funny to see Mitch McConnell talk and spit out feathers at the same tiome,this guy is a hoot,and makes no sense when he speaks,came we sat term limits,,,,,Mitch.So the experts think we need another stim package to help move the unemployment numbers down,even thou they have dropped every month for the last four months.To bad the stim Money Bush gave out as Christmas gifts to his banking buddys went to pay bonus's and for partys,maybe if it would have been spent with a little thought this mess would be a lot farther along into recovery.But we are not going to blame the Bush admin for the first 16 months that unemployment was on the rise,will we?Gotta feel for those Twins,,,,They had to play on Tuesday,played extra innings,drank a few beers after there win,took a red eye,got to bed at 6.am and had to play an afternoon game against the Billionairs club,who where well rested,while the Yankee's manager could have done the fare thing and played the game on Thursday,the yanks had a choice,his excuse,he didn't want to throw his bull pen off,those POOR billionairs would be thrown off by another day off,,,ummmmmmmm.Have to admit CC threw a gem,the way he pitched last night no amount of sleep would have helped.
Anti-capitalist Michael Moore had a civil and excellent discussion with Sean Hannity the other night - no shouting, no finger pointing, no cheap shots.

Fair and Balanced (Sent Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:07 AM
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You conveniently left out the part where Hannity looked straight into the camera and LIED about having gone to church last Sunday.

Maybe you should change your name to twisted & skewed it seems more appropriate.  You blew your credibility when you 'cherry picked'
Watched Olbermanns Health Care show for a bit last night. Looks like Keith is just like Obie. He too reads his entire speech from a teleprompter.
HCR Now (Sent Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:02 AM)

At least they read what is on the teleprompter instead of mangling the words and the entire English language as Mr. Obama's predecessor did. And Bush had teleprompters too.
With Fox you will get diverse opinions and different viewpoints. With Olbermann/Maddow, you'll get the same liberal cheerleaders, day in, day out. Same with CNN where you'll see panels with either one semi-conservative voice, or none at all. And the ratings show the results.
Fair and Balanced
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Ha, ha, ha, ha...keep watching that cesspool of so called professional news makers. Has Olbermann or Maddow ever lied on someone? Have they ever misrepresented anyone? It either one of them make a mistake, they come back with a correction and an apology. Does CLUSTER FOX ever do that? NO, NO and NO!
Obama has completely mishandled the Health Care Reform debate. You don't attempt to pass something this large without a solid majority having both input to and voting for it. Obama has completely frozen out everyone from the debate except for the most liberal members of government and liberal lobbying groups. And now the bill will fail, fail to get even a simple majority in both the House and Senate.
Expectations - what are they for the American family and how do they settle with what is happening in DC? I assume Americans want jobs, affordable health care, good schools for their kids, safe neighborhoods and no ill-begotten foreign wars killing our young. I am exuberant about the Obama presidency as his calm demeanor and his intelligent analytical approach to solving these problems, while perhaps too pensive for some, is actually how a president should execute his office.
jesse St Paul MN : It looks like the four coners game the repubilklans have been playing is over,no more excuse's now that the CBO has scored the bill . . .



You need to be a little more careful. The CBO gave a "preliminary" score of the Baucus bill. There are so many holes in that bill that the CBO cannot provide much more detail in its score. The tax portion of the bill is too vague, the estimates cuts to existing programs like Medicare are way too high. Baucus essentially tailored his bill to the CBOs estimating process. The bill is worthless and cannot be implemented in it's current state. The media, and you, needs to be a little more careful in what it thinks the CBO has done..
You union people do realize that "Cadillac" health care policies are going to be taxed up the wazoo to pay for his HC plan. Cadillac plans are purchased for union members, like teachers, police, firemen, car makers and hotel workers, etc. Nice that those people will assume most of the burden for paying for ObamaCare.
Bob Dole on Health Care

Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kans.) told reporters on Wednesday that opposition to the president's health care package was driven, in part, by knee-jerk partisanship and he urged Congressional Republicans to consider backing a version of reform.

"Sometimes people fight you just to fight you," he said, according to The Kansas City Star. "They don't want Reagan to get it, they don't want Obama to get it, so we've got to kill it..."
"Health care is one of those things," he added. "Now we've got to do something."

Dole said he did not know what a final health care bill would look like, even though he was confident it would make it to the president's desk.
When and how is Obama going to pay for the $1.4 trillion dollar deficit he's running this year? And just where is that money going?
‘Barrack Hussien Obama Mmmmm-MMmmmmm-Mmmmmm’

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:50 AM)

Hi Feisty,
That little diddy you are asking about is supposed to be mocking the song the school children were singing about the President a couple of weeks ago.
Federal job-training funds will allow displaced workers to develop new skills for jobs in healthcare and other fields such as IT that are in demand.  For information on salaries being paid by companies, SalaryFor.com offers a free and extensive database of what job seekers can expect in terms of pay.
Did you note where there was one of Baucus's major tax increases? Medical equipmment. Who uses medical equipment? Sick people. So Baucus is raising taxes on people because they got sick.  
TJ - MO
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TJ, there is room to maneuver in this bill and I fully expect that there will be plenty done. The bottom line--is the estimated $81 billion of a decrease to the deficit that the Bush administration and republicans ran up. I'll be willing to bet that the savings will be even greater with a public option added. What say you?
Fair and Balanced, you've obviously missed Ed Schultz!
The economy thing is going to haunt us for a long time. The fellow from Tennessee is going to remind that jobs are lagging indicator and he is right to a certain extent but this is not a textbook recession and so far we have been trying textbook answers.Prsident needs to go back to the old textbook from the New Deal and instesd of handing back tax rebates start spending money on things that will create jobs(WPA) and value (infrastructure)rather than reinforcing the policies of the last 30 years that got us in the mess.That will hurt a litle bit in the short run but will be better in the long term.Yesterday it was mentioned that McCain's pique may be related to his recent defeat.That dog won't hunt. He needs to look at his own party. His best chance of being elected was when he was running against Bush.He went to South Carilna and was ambused by the same tactics that were used by Rove et al against many Vets(Kerry.McCain,Cleland) and was never the same. E. Dole saw what happened here knew she was next and made a deal. Up until this point I was thinking a McCain Dole ticket was going to look pretty good.So He needs to sweep aroud his own back door before he goes looking down the street.
Steven, Delaware: Countdown last night, KO gave the best arguement FOR health insurance reform so far. If this was Rush or Glen and the like, quotes would be all over the media.



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True enough, it would be all over the media if Rush, Glenn or Bill O. said it. That's because people listen/watch those shows. No one, at least no one important, watches Olbermann.
‘Barrack Hussien Obama Mmmmm-MMmmmmm-Mmmmmm’

Hey Feisty - this must refer to the jingle in the song.  Recently it was released (can be found on you tube) on the internet.  A school teacher (recently retired) some time after the inauguration had taught her classroom of school children perhaps around the age of 8-10 a song about our great President.  The other side tried but failed to make a BIG stink about it but like so many other rants, this fizzled out quickly.  I am a fan and read your posts here frequently.  Keep up the good fight.  I agree and I'm elated - we will see HCR in 2009 with "a robust public option".  
Fair and Balanced, you've obviously missed Ed Schultz!
Ed Schultz's Producer

Special Ed actually does a decent job. He won't be around much longer if he keeps letting people on that oppose the MSNBC doctrine of worshipping Obama.
But now is not the time for blame or evaluation. It is time for all of us to help each other thru this and to find a way to end it.
Proud To Be An American
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Thanks for catching that dummy's post and answering for me. Proud, they would rather blame than be realistic...I guess they think that we are stupid. I've addressed this issue numerous times thanks for doing it again. They are late with that script.


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