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Obama agenda: Public split on troops

Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:21 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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According to a new Washington Post/ABC poll, 47% support sending more troops into Afghanistan, while 49% oppose it. “A day after Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to a runoff election -- following an investigation by an international panel that found pervasive irregularities in the first round of voting -- the poll showed that two-thirds of the U.S. public also considers the election deeply flawed, with evidence of widespread fraud. That negative appraisal was generally consistent across party and ideological lines.”

More: “As the administration's review continues, 57 percent of those polled approve of how Obama is carrying out his duties as commander in chief, but confidence in his leadership on the Afghan war has eroded since the spring. In previous polls, Obama received some of his highest ratings in relation to his dealings with Afghanistan, including 63 percent approval in April of his handling of the situation there. In the latest poll, 45 percent approve, down 10 percentage points in the past month alone, and 47 percent disapprove, an increase of 10 points. Nearly a third of those surveyed say they strongly disapprove.” 


Video
: Is support waining for the Afghan war? Newsweek's Jon Meacham and presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin join the Morning Joe gang to discuss the state of the conflict.

The Wall Street Journal looks at the role that John Kerry has played regarding Afghanistan. “U.S. and Western officials said the Obama administration latched on to Sen. Kerry as a key broker. In June, he played a similar role in the Obama administration's efforts to build bridges to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, according to Syrian and U.S. officials. Sen. Kerry was first drawn into the vote fraud crisis Friday when, at a dinner with U.S. troops from Massachusetts, Mr. Eikenberry pulled him aside and told him of fears Mr. Karzai would denounce findings by U.N.-led election investigators of widespread fraud.”

The Boston Globe adds, "Kerry’s successful talks, which ranged from broad issues of legitimacy to discussions of the statistical analysis used to disqualify ballots, appeared to be his most significant accomplishment since taking over the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee this year, replacing Joe Biden.”

Out of Iraq? "President Obama vowed again Tuesday to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq next year, saying elections in 2010 will prop up the fledgling democracy. 'We will have our combat troops out of Iraq by August of next year and all of our troops out of Iraq by 2011,' Obama said at an Oval Office meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki."

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Tone down your rhetoric. Petulant fury is only what you have left over from Bush's war.
Until President Obama starts his own war this is still the remnant of Bush's failure

Beverly in Chicago (Sent Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:50 PM)

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We know everything is George Bush’s fault because victimhood and externalizing the blame are the bedrock principles of the Democratic Party.

The Republican Nixon got stuck cleaning up Democrats Kennedy and Johnson’s unjust war in Vietnam. So let’s call it even.
The American people just don't understand, it's going to take a couple of weeks to get the White Flag of surrender of Afghanistan ready to go. When you surrender, you want to do it right because, well, the whole world is watching.
OBAMA APPROVAL KEEPS ON SINKING!

RASMUSSEN: Obama Ratings Sinking Again; Approval Index Nears All-Time Low...

CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issues...

DIG THIS ISSUE IF YOU THINK POLL NUMBERS DON'T COUNT!
President Obama will not be swayed by opinion polls when it comes to the war in Afghanistan.  Decisions will be based on strategy, logic, and pragmatism.

Goals will be set and when they are accomplished, our troops will come home.
The American people just don't understand, it's going to take a couple of weeks to get the White Flag of surrender of Afghanistan ready to go. When you surrender, you want to do it right because, well, the whole world is watching.
Jimmy Kidd (Sent Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM)

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...and the sky continues to fall in GOP-land!
Kudos to Sen. Kerry but Mr. Karzai has a lot of hot to expel. The nerve of Karzai to angry. Had it not been the USA he'd still be exile.


I do believe and am glad as I said before... I appreciate a President who thinks in terms of life instead of money and hope he will not give to demands of those who want him to fail on every front.

But, hold on to your wallet the warmongering Robber Barons are lining up.
That is not deficit neutral whit the economic The dopes of nope warmongers ideology you decry.

More paid Republican operatives out these days with no name blog posts. Signs of the RNC receiving more donations. And this is beause Americans keep getting misled by misinformation and rewarding them for doing NOTHING!

Now Virginians has enjoyed increasing development over 8 years and just like the country under Clinton came back to surplus, they are poised to well try the other side. The mistakes we make when we become more comfortable.
Sending more troops into Afghanistan willdo more harm than good. That's what caused Russia to go bancrupt & they are just getting their economy & power back now. The Afghanistan terrain makes it a hard country to fight. We should pull out of Afghanistan before this country goes more bancrupt than it is now. We should protect this country from here at home; 'Not like gw Bush did.' He sat on his a$$ with his feet on his dest while terrorists came to this country and learned to fly commercial jets & then flew them into buildings killing thousands of americans; while papers sitting on his desk warning him of this, were left unread. We now have a president who will protect our country the right way,"And not go spending Billions of dollars a day fighting wars around the world. "Our country is bancrupt, we have no $$ for that!
To the complete clutz spouting about troops dying in Afghanistan waiting for Obama to make a decision, your an idiot.

you cant send troops to fight for the stability of Afghanistan democracy until you know just what and who the bloody government will be. At present, we don't. and until the Afghan government get their head out of their ass and run a proper election to choose a good stable leader, there will be no troop surge.

Now read and understand what I have written, then please go back to thoughts of marrying your cousin.
John Smith, Far away.
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An analogy:

You cannot send more firemen, to assist those already fighting the fire in your house...

Until the city decides to buy a new firetruck...



(Forget his cousin, I like YOUR sister better...)
IS THE WHITE HOUSE STRATEGY WORKING?

'Rasmussen Reports' daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. ---  Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove.

That’s just a point above the lowest level ever recorded for this President. It’s also the sixth straight day in negative double digits, matching the longest such streak.

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issues ...

IF IT A STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK  --- KEEP REPEATING IT WITH HOPES OF A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.  INSANITY!
Let us see what government emerges in Afghanistan from the runoff election. Then we'll have a better picture of how much support we'll get from the government over there. We will be unsuccessful if we don't have the support of the Afghan government. If we get their support we have a good chance of winning and thus be more worthwile sending more troops. We are not the end all and be all of the world. We must interface with others.

We do not want another Vietnam where we have endless war with thousands more casualties and $billions spent. Containment may be the best we can do. Keep them in the region where they are and thus away from us. We don't HAVE to win in the sense of all out military shock and awe victory. Modern war is different. If we don't do it right we will lose. Old methods are wrong for this place and time. Let's get it right or get out.
Did anyone catch Morning Joke this morning? I usually can only catch 10-15 min as I get ready for work, but did anyone see where Bobblehead Mika said Fox Noise promotes hate, etc - you would have thought Morning Joke was gonna rupture a blood vessel for actually disagreeing with him - I can no longer, in good conscience, call her Bobblehead Mika, because she actually showed some spine today. It made some great TV.
the latest polls do reflect americans' ambivalence over afghanistan. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me has taken hold all over the country. we understand all very well thye history of how and who got us into this war and what a waste of blood and treasure the last 8 years have been.

the questions we americans and this president are asking are: how best do we fight terrorism, how best to use our tired and worn down military, how best to use our limited resources. we are no longer the country of 2002 either in blood or treasure.

when resources are tight - either for a family or a country - the times require us to be smarter and more strategic.

Of course support is falling. We got there on the simplistic rally cry to get OSB and then we found out that it was not so easy. Then we got snookered into a second war in Iraq. No one wants to keep going to war and I certainly hope we never go to war again as ill prepared and ill informed as we were for both of these wars. That said, Obama is on the right track. I do believe we must continue involvement and help a battered if corrupt government (caused again by misguided and mismanaged money from the USA in the last 8 years)to regain some respect and capacity to govern. Losing the entire country to the Talaban once more makes no sense. Then we will just be faced with journalistic photos of terrible abuses to women and children that will once again cry out for help. NO, we need to stay, stabilize, strengthen the military and government. We must also continue to have Afganistan as an ally and means to root out the evil in the mountains of Pakistan. What we don't need is continuing images of our men and weapons killing more civilians. The so called smart weapons are either not so smart or those handling them are not so smart. Or both.
NO ONE WANTS TO BE AT WAR. But, we all know we will be back in the region again if we don't handle it well. The administration is wise to spend all the time they are spending to understand and plan well how and when and WHY we will engage.
Perhaps the poll should of asked: Should the President have already made a decision on what to do by now?

I guess it took him a while to get use to being Commander in Chief instead of a legislator.
Ahh Afghanistan....where I have a female family member serving in the Army over there.  I am for more troops, but only with a caviat -- Define the mission, and make sure the U.S. knows who we are dealing with over there, before we go into our "Nation Building" Phase over there.
Whatever he has to do we are with him for we can't get worser off than the last leader's
Whatever he has to do we are with him for we can't get worser off than the last leader's
The idea that America must exit Afganistan now is flawed.  This is not about whose war it is, President Obama has always said it is neither a Rebublican nor Democrat war.  America's security is directly involved with it - it is America's war.  The political issue is about how to conduct it.

It is an even wider war, now.  It is wider because of Pakistan's role and position in it, and Pakistan has nuclear weapons which must be kept out of terrorist hands, even as terrorists foment insurgency and occupy portions of that nation.

Power, whether political or military, has its limits.  We cannot do everything we have the power to do, just because we can do it.

Yell your criticisms from the sidelines if you will.

For my part, I would ask the President to take what time he believes is required to do the asessment and gather information on all the alternatives from all four corners of the situation before him, listen to the best advice he can call upon, and then make the best decision he can possibly make.

These deliberations, having a defined scope and a defined goal, so long as they are moving forward, should not to be mistaken for indecision.

I wish him success.


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