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First thoughts: Iraq, Afghan violence

Posted: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:27 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** Iraq, Afghanistan violence: Today, we’re not starting with health-care debate or the gubernatorial races in New Jersey or Virginia. Instead, the headlines are coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. “Two synchronized suicide car bombings struck at the heart of the Iraqi government here on Sunday, severely damaging the Justice Ministry and provincial council complexes, leaving a scene of carnage that raised new questions about the government’s ability to secure its most vital operations." Then there was this: “A series of helicopter crashes killed 14 Americans in insurgent-wracked Afghanistan on Monday, the U.S. military said. It was one of the deadliest days of the war for U.S. troops.” All this comes as the president nears a decision on a new Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy. He meets with the national security team this morning. The clock is ticking, as one would assume he has to make a decision before he leaves for Asia on Nov. 10. By the way, read between the lines of Washington Post story on the Pentagon war-gaming a couple of troop increase scenarios. Does this mean the president is leaning toward the 40,000 troop increase? 

*** Jobs, jobs, jobs: Turning to the domestic front, the White House’s pro-active message this week might be "jobs, jobs, jobs." On Tuesday, Obama will be in Arcadia, FL for a tour of the DeSoto Next Generation Solar Energy Center. (Also, Vice President Biden will be in Delaware to help christen a decision by an unknown auto company to turn a defunct Delaware factory into a plant for fuel batteries.) And later this week, sources tell us the president will speak to the NFIB, which is not exactly the friendliest audience to Democrats. But the administration wants to get him out front on the issue of small business and job creation.

*** Reid vs. Obama? OK, so the two Democratic leaders aren't at odds on health care, but there is some hand-wringing on both sides as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid tries to find 60 votes for HIS version of the public option (the “opt out”), while the White House doesn't want him doing anything that upsets the Olympia Snowe applecart. Could Reid and Speaker Pelosi, by going so public with their attempts to find the votes for the public option, be putting on a show of sorts, letting the left know they tried and finally ending up in a compromise? However, the White House yesterday stressed that the president and Reid are on the same page. “A rumor is making the rounds that the White House and Senator Reid are pursuing different strategies on the public option. Those rumors are absolutely false.” The New Republic’s Jon Cohn sums it all up: Obama “wants a good public plan but he wants a bill even more--and he's not sure that the former is compatible with the latter. So he's being careful--more careful, in fact, than some of his Senate allies would like.”


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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid now has his health bill set to go, but it contains an alternative to the public option which would allow states to opt-out. Will this bill work?

*** The more things change…: Bloomberg's Al Hunt writes a column that has been waiting to be written: All of the promise of changing the way Washington does business hasn't been turned into a reality yet by the president. One just has to look at his fundraising schedule to see that the political realities continue to creep in. While unrelated, today's Washington Post story about Dem Rep. Pete Visclosky's use of earmarks to raise money is a reminder how just how the culture hasn't changed all that much, even as the party in control did change. Just asking, but if the president had vetoed an appropriations bill that contained earmarks (which he could have done this past spring), would he be looking like more of a change agent, making it harder for the Al Hunts of the world to note how the president has spent more time promising change than delivering on it? Speaking of vetoes, anyone else surprised he hasn't found something to veto? Talk about a way to show some Washington independence at a time when the rest of the country has had it up to HERE with Washington. 

*** Obama’s day: At 11:30 am ET, President Obama meets with his national security team to discuss Afghanistan and Pakistan. Attendees include Vice President Biden (via teleconference), Secretary of State Clinton, Defense Secretary Gates, National Security Adviser Jones, Deputy National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, and Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. (Is today’s war-gaming story in the Washington Post a sign that the president is going to reluctantly give McCrystal his troops?) After that, Obama travels to Jacksonville, FL, where he will address U.S. servicemen and servicewoman at the Naval Air Base. Then he heads to Miami, where he headlines a fundraiser for the DSCC and DCCC.

*** 2009 watch: It’s just a little over a week until Election Day… The coverage of the gubernatorial contests in New Jersey and Virginia seem to underscore the conventional wisdom that Corzine and McDonnell are rising, while Deeds and Christie are flailing… On Saturday, the Corzine campaign announced that President Obama would return to New Jersey on Sunday, Nov. 1… Obama heads to Virginia to stump for Creigh Deeds tomorrow (not exactly the best GOTV day)… And Mitt Romney will campaign for McDonnell on Wednesday. It was interesting to hear over the weekend so many elected Republicans talk up McDonnell. He's on the verge of becoming the new darling of the party -- should the polls be right. 

*** The micromanaging White House? A follow-up question from Friday’s Washington Post story, which included anonymous administration aides complaining about how Deeds has run his campaign so far: Come next year, is the White House really going to play armchair quarterback in the press -- in the 38 Senate, 37 governor, and 435 House races across the country? If so, it’s going to be a VERY busy and frustrating year for Team Obama. They are expected to help make decisions behind the scenes, but to go public BEFORE the election really is something that won't sit well with quite a few Democrats, even those who believe Deeds has been an awful candidate. Speaking of 2010, Vice President Biden today is in the battleground state of Ohio, where he attends events for three Ohio Democratic Reps. -- Mary Jo Kilroy, Zach Space, and John Boccieri. He participates in today’s briefing on Afghanistan via teleconference. And don’t miss this news via the New York Post’s Fred Dicker: New York AG Andrew Cuomo has apparently told Rudy Giuliani that he’s running for governor. “It was sent as a courtesy … and as a warning that the former presidential candidate would face a brutal and, according to a dozen recent polls, losing battle against the highly popular attorney general.” 

*** The absent governor? An impeachment resolution targeting South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R) will be introduced Tuesday. Will it go anywhere? Meanwhile, the Columbia State newspaper examines Sanford’s schedule, which in recent years suggested a governor who was no longer focused on the state’s business. “The portrait that emerges from Sanford's calendar -- his office's official record of his activities -- is one of a clear second-term focus elsewhere, not on South Carolina. By this year, staff meetings - almost nine a week in 2004 - had dwindled to just more than four a week, according to an analysis of Sanford's calendar by The State. Some of Sanford's public outreach, such as holding office hours in the far corners of the state, also had fallen by the wayside.” 

*** Meet the Press, Take Two: Don’t miss Andrew Ross Sorkin and Dan Senor discussing their new books, the state of the global economy, and the culture of Wall Street in Meet the Press’ online extra.

*** Breaking into the boy’s club: Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't pass along this stat from CBS' statistician poobah, Mark Knoller, who notes yesterday was Obama's 24th golf outing. It took Bush 43 more than two years to get to 24 rounds. Also, did it take a tough question by NBC's Savannah Guthrie on the boys-only hoops games to suddenly have the president his first woman golfing yesterday (Domestic Policy Adviser Melody Barnes)? Apparently. Timing wasn't coincidence, it seems.

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White House vs. Fox News—Who Won?:

Most political junkies have been following this story for the past two weeks, so it’s not necessary to give much background regarding the blow-by-blow account of what has happened.  Probably the latest round involved an attempt by the W. H. to exclude Frx News from a series of interviews with Kenneth Feinberg.

Other news media shouted “foul”, the W.H. relented and Fox News claimed a victory.  This little skirmish was more like two fourth graders saying I’ll meet you after school by the big tree off the playground and we will rumble.  Both sides engaged in some “trash talk” and the combatants went home…both claiming victory.

In reality, nobody won.  It was a draw.  The W. H. spotlighted the fact that Fox is in fact a political arm of the Republican right wing.  And Fox, (with the media’s support) says you can’t/shouldn’t exclude us. For now, this story has run its cycle and tomorrow both sides will return to business as usual.  Fox commentators will continue to spew their venom, and the White House will continue to ignore them.

Right wingers will defend Fox, and Left wingers will shake their head in disgust and throw a little mud (as I’m doing now). But, I continue to have this uneasy sense that there is a loser here; the American people.  Most Americans are not political junkies, they watch CSI, NCIS, DWTS, Idol, and football.  They deserve unbiased news they can trust.  News that was once delivered by Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, and Russert.

Jody:  Score 15 to 13: TD with 2 second left.  Those Hawkeyes are not splashy or shiny, but they are a solid football team.
When Obama took office, Iraq and Afghanistan were both stable and on track to have successful completions. Since Obama took office, both countries have been mis-managed by Obama. Terror is on the rise both in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama is dithering about making descisions on either country. We see the results.
This is certainly good news from Gallup:

"Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group."


*** Jobs, jobs, jobs: Turning to the domestic front, the White House’s pro-active message this week might be "jobs, jobs, jobs."

So what your saying is that Obama will give the same message about jobs that he's been giving about health care. As long as Obama stands on stage giving speeches (Will he roll his sleeves up again?) about jobs, then, well, there must be jobs! I gues it will take Fox News to point out that since Obama has been in office, 3 million more people are unemployed.
Pete Visclosky's use of earmarks to raise money is a reminder how just how the culture hasn't changed all that much, even as the party in control did change.

As I said in the primaries and campaign "Change you can believe in".....Bulls...t.  All we did was change a right wing greenhorn for a left wing one.

It was all a bunch of platitudes
*** Breaking into the boy’s club: Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't pass along this stat from CBS' statistician poobah, Mark Knoller, who notes yesterday was Obama's 24th golf outing. It took Bush 43 more than two years to get to 24 rounds. Also, did it take a tough question by NBC's Savannah Guthrie on the boys-only hoops games to suddenly have the president his first woman golfing yesterday (Domestic Policy Adviser Melody Barnes)? Apparently. Timing wasn't coincidence, it seems.

How dreadfull
I didntr know Obama was such a sexist...

HMMM the whole P.C. thing is nuts.

although i do remember there being suck a uproar about Bush golfinig while we were fighting two wars.
but now that the President is a Dem its ok to golf.
For Obama/Biden and the Democrats, it just more speeches about how many jobs they "saved". No one has ever used the "saved" excuse to measure how successful their job programs are. It's jobs created that are important. In a normal economy, 200,000 jobs are created every month. Obama is losing twice that amount of jobs every month, this after spending $780 billion dollars on "shovel ready" jobs. Maybe it's time Obama put down the mop he's been talking about and hand out a few of those shovels.
War games?  Too funny.  We're playing simulated war games while hundreds of real people die in downtown Baghdad and fourteen Americans die on a single day in Afghanistan?  How many more "games" will we have to play before we get a strategy?  And how many people need to die before we decide that this isn't very funny?
I see Obie doesn't care how many US soldiers must die while he can't make up his little mind!
'...All of the promise of changing the way Washington does business hasn't been turned into a reality yet by the president. ...'

Who Cares ??
Get HCR done
THAT'S the priority

Get the economy going
THAT'S the priority

If it's Reid and Pelosi versus Obama on the Public Option....
I trust Pelosi more than Obama
Pelosi is progressive
If it takes the 'opt out' option, so be it
Don't wait for Triggers

AND DON'T WAIT until 2013 !!
Start HCR in 2010 !!
Get it going BEFORE the ELECTION !!
Let people choose between the Obstructionists and the Democrats' reform

Guess which way people will go ?
Yeah, but how much brush has President Obama cleared?  I'm guessing he doesn't even come close to THAT record.
*** The micromanaging White House?

How can Obama and the Democrats being talking about campaigning for next year? You can only chant "Hope and Change" and "Yes We Can" so many times, but sooner or later someone has to answer the question "Just what exactly have you done?" For Obie and the Dems, the answer to that question is currently "Nothing".
That surge in Iraq is really working well, right? 160 people killed and 540 wounded in a bombing in Baghdad over the weekend. And we lost 14 Americans in helicopter crashes. I guess what I'm saying is that after more than 4000 Americans killed and over 1 trillion dollars spent in Iraq, they are still bombing and killing people. Is it worth it?
Obama doesn't want Reid to upset Sen Snowe, what is he crazy? Who the hell is Snowe? Snowe is just playing a game and has no intention of helping the Dems. get Healthcare Reform. She doesn't want a public option, "therefore she does't want healthcare reform." Anything less is a Joke."
*** Breaking into the boy’s club: Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't pass along this stat from CBS' statistician poobah, Mark Knoller, who notes yesterday was Obama's 24th golf outing. It took Bush 43 more than two years to get to 24 rounds. Also, did it take a tough question by NBC's Savannah Guthrie on the boys-only hoops games to suddenly have the president his first woman golfing yesterday (Domestic Policy Adviser Melody Barnes)? Apparently. Timing wasn't coincidence, it seems.
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Geeze FR!  DO you have to FEED the trolls?

Let them come up with their own material ala Faux & Freaks and the rest of the rabid right wing whack jobs!

They did 'step in it' when it came to spreading the phoney Obama Thesis story last week... lol lol lol...

What a bunch of 'suckers'!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/fake-obama-thesis-story-g_n_332255.html
McDonnell...the next darling of the GOP? Yeah, that's what they said about Jim Gilmore, the last GOP Gov. who raped the state and totally underestimated the effect his "no car tax" would have for years to come.

The GOP will never change a thing about their lock step, crippling style of governance and if McDonnell is the "darling" then I'd hate to see the "derelict".
Take THAT, Rudy Slippers.  Time to put the evening gown and feather boa back into mothballs.  Or will you need those for your conjugal visits with Bernie Kerik in prison?
FR:*** Iraq, Afghanistan Violence: Today, we’re not starting with health-care debate or the gubernatorial races in New Jersey or Virginia. Instead, the headlines are coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan
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FYI: "Dopes of Nope"

the Republicans are pounding and say, "Do this, do this, do this," when for seven years they didn't, either in number of troops or good strategy.
Bush’s administration sat on a request for 8 months
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvD7dFQGcE

President Barack Hussein Obama is concerned about human lives and our resourcefulness; it appears, much more than Dick Cheney. Mm-hmm... let's see Dick Cheney who had been trying to sell his war for his monetary gain instead of humanity. I'll bet Dickhead had this blueprint for profit in desk drawer left over from the Clinton era; which Clinton didn't buy. The president has a very difficult decision to make. He’s got to have the facts. And not from some dishonest General McCrystal who lied about the Pat Tillman's death to Pat Tillman's mother and this nation at the hearing.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/02/tillman.mcchrystal.hearing/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/03/pat-tillmans-mother-mcchr_n_210775.html
Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East--what is the answer.  There are as many opinions expressed, advice to the President as there are people in the Middle East.  Again, I have mixed thoughts.  One day I think we should just get out of the region and let them resolve their differences.  The next, I remember why we went to Afghanistan in the first place and remember that much of what happened prior to 9/11 was the result of US intervention against the Soviets followed by neglect; our failure to help the Afghan people rebuild after years of war against the Soviets.  I don't know the answer.  President Obama knows there are no easy answers, no quick fix and I am glad that he is "dithering" to at least look for the best option and not a knee-jerk reaction.

Clean, renewable energy can be America's next big industrial revolution and our path back to good, high-paying jobs for the middle class.  Starting with Reagan, big business was given every tax break and incentive to move jobs overseas for cheap wages. This has greatly diminished the middle class and every economist from left, right or center recognizes that without a solid middle class and a healthy middle class, the US standing in the world will continue to decline.

Nothing against it but the media just keeps chatting about Reid, Obama, Snowe and the WH's agenda versus this or that.  President Obama will allow Harry Reid to pursue the public option in whatever form it takes for legislation to pass.  Getting the votes in the Senate is like pulling teeth--democrats are an independent thinking group, no lockstep march on ideology and I appreciate that.  Others may disagree but a strong trigger can be a step forward; there are too many good aspects to let it die over one part.  Senator Kennedy would probably say take the best you can get and keep fighting in the future; he'd say that because it was his regret that he did not compromise with Nixon.

Ron.  Game on the line, 4th down, 2 seconds on the clock.  Touchdown, Iowa.  Hawkeyes win.  It doesn't get much better than that terrific game.  Both teams played hard but sure am glad Iowa won!!  Your Indiana team is next.  On any given day, you never know--IN might be the unexpected winner.

FR: Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't pass along this stat from CBS' statistician poobah, Mark Knoller, who notes yesterday was Obama's 24th golf outing. It took Bush 43 more than two years to get to 24 rounds.
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Wow, now that's "news you can use." Did the Great Poobah tally up all the brush Bush cleared on his lengthy August 2001 vacation, during which he ignored clear warnings of an impending attack upon the United States by Al Qaeda?

I'll bet President Obama hasn't done nearly as good a job on the brush clearing issue as Dubyah did in his first term.
A new day.  122 people WILL DIE today due to lack of health insurance (45,000 per year)
New York Post is another Murdoch rag and Fred Dicker is another water boy for FOX Noise and Murdoch I'm surprised his back is still in tact.
Run Andrew Cuomo against the cross dresser Rudy Giuliani that would be the greatest courtesy and healthy dose of reality this sicko, Rudy Giuliani, could ever get.
HELL OR HIGH WATER

Obie is out to get Fox News come hell or high water but he won't have the support of the other news stations, including NBC.

Seems Obie is obsessed with Fox because they appear to call him on his stupidity and outlandishly dumb moves ... or the fact that he makes no moves at all in a time of crisis. Other media markets generally do nothing to distort the superiority (?) of one Barck Hussein Obama. That may change.

He has not done anything while in office but throw White House Parties, legalize medical marijuana and have two pirates killed by snipers.

He has not kept any promise to anyone and can't make a decision. He's a Chicago thug stuck in mud so deep that he can't pull himself out.

The Obama, Pelosi, Reid trio are like deer frozen in Fox New's headlights. It's time for Rupert to go in for the political kill.

What kind of idiots do Obie, Pelosi and Reid think the American public are? They are NOT getting anything done and constantly lie or change the language of policy to confuse even the senate.

And they give the senate/congress three days to read a 600 page bill.

Obie is being trashed by the American people badly. And yet he continues with his stupid schemes. Reid will be voted out. Pelosi probably looks like the bride of Frankenstein under neath all that make-up and Botox.

She's trying hard to rival the the blondes on Fox News. Give it up, Nancy. You are old as dirt.
We'll send you some postcards to remind you.

And the 38 city Tea Party Express is on it's way across the country. Had another in Cincinnati this past weekend. Big success.

Now Obie is doing public service announcements asking dads to be there like a real dad should.
Even the African-American crowd is slowly turning against him. When 4 of them are carrying signs supporting Limbaugh you know you're in trouble.

And 2010 isn't that far away.



Monkberry Moon
Fortunate Son
Bad Chihuahua ... and the rest.







First Read writes: Al Hunts of the world to note how the president has spent more time promising change than delivering on it? Speaking of vetoes, anyone else surprised he hasn't found something to veto?

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What's changed with Obama? Nothing! From his broken promise to go over every bill with a fine tooth comb to get out the pork, to his lack of transparency to construction legislation, Obama is nothing short of lying to the people. Afghanistan has gone from the "War of necessity" to the "Optional 'conflict'". Obama promised 3-4 million jobs, and when that tanked, promised 600,000 to created over the summer. Instead, the country lost more then that many jobs of the summer. HCR is dead, they just haven't had the funeral for it yet. Obama's attacks on news organizations, banks and insurance companies, and any business that disagrees with him are Nixonian in nature. In nearly a year in office with a strong Democratic Congress behind his back Obama has got next to nothing done. The man is complete failure.
Loved George Will on ABC yesterday, "perhaps the (sic Cheney/Bush) administration should have dithered a little more on Iraq".  priceless.  No mention of the Republican cannibalism going on?  I guess that doesn't 'score' the purpose of making Dems seem out of touch?

A Republican friend of mine sent me an email over the weekend explaining to me in detailed nuance the difference between Republican (brand) and Conservatives.  She is actively involved in a movement to Rebrand her ideology to the Conservative Movement to distance herself from the bozos posing as Republican Party leadership.  In all honesty, I am not terribly impressed with either party.  It is all political gamesmanship, all the time.  So you could say I am disillusioned.  We use to talk about 'political footballs'.  I think it is fair that we now discuss 'media footballs'.  What 'hail mary' pass will be thrown by the media today to make them seem relevant to the discussion?

Hey, Chuck, you might say we've had it up to your chin hair with Washington.  Of course, if you would have shaved, we'd have had it all the way up to THERE.
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to the regulars, happy week, folks.  I am getting worried about njnbnj.  Thoughts and prayers.  Wonder when the nontroversies will start?  I am guessing an hour ago.

Let's have a good week, all!  Pat, Boston - I don't have to ask who you are rooting for - GO PHILLIES!
If W Bush had taken care of Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden right after 9/11 occured, "afterall Osama was responsible for 9/11 attacks;" We would not have this problem today. Bush wanted to go into Iraq for his own personal vendetta which involved his father Bush Sr. & Saddom ploting to kill W Bush's father years earier.
*** The absent governor? An impeachment resolution targeting South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R) will be introduced Tuesday. Will it go anywhere?

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Yes, Gov. Mark Sanford will probably re-join his lover in Argentina; poor love child.

Don't cry for disgraced Gov. Mark Sanford  he has a place to go.
Word is that unemployment will stay at 10% through Obie's first term, or travel higher.

Nancy, how does that grab ya darlin'?

All are encouraged NOT to buy from or invest in any bank or car dealer that is currently being run by the gov.
FR: Also, did it take a tough question by NBC's Savannah Guthrie on the boys-only hoops games to suddenly have the president his first woman golfing yesterday (Domestic Policy Adviser Melody Barnes)? Apparently. Timing wasn't coincidence, it seems.
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Apparently, "journalists" are more concerned about this terrible violation of women's rights to play basket ball with the president than they were about the trivial issue of women being denied equal pay for equal work. President Obama went a long way to redress that grievance by signing the Lilly Ledbetter Act. But who cares about minor stuff like that when Obama's golf partners are the burning issue of the day among the chattering class?
"The clock is ticking, as one would assume he has to make a decision before he leaves for Asia on Nov. 10."

Yes, that would be so very nice given that the date night, hoops shooting, and golfing cretin promised he had in hand absolutely ALL the answers during the last election campaign.  If his royal incompetence just might have some vainglorious announcement in another 16 days, then perhaps ONLY another couple hundred of our troops will be needlessly slaughtered on the Alter of Hope and Change You Most Certainly Can't Count On.  How repulsive and nauseating this greasy empty suit.
Memo: "Dopes of Nope'

Why are you so dumb?
Goldman Sachs confirmed today that it was in talks to acquire the U.S. Department of the Treasury. I'm sure you'll be delighted.

http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=7047
It's looking more and more unlikey that a Health Care Reform bill even gets to the floor of the Senate. Last weeks vote to restore $250 billiion that the HCR bill would take away from paying doctors failed to even get 50 votes, let alone the 60 that would be required. 13 Democrats turned their back on Reid and Obama. Now Reid is making funny noises trying to tell us he's close to 60 votes with a public option? Not a chance does he even anything near that number of votes. Fox News will need to report these facts because it appears the other news outlets have turned into cheerleaders for the Democrats and their HCR schemes.
Still all of this whining from FR and the republicans that Obama isn't doing enough or he is not changing 234 years of governmental process overnight.

Strangely enough they still view bush's ability to rush into two wars and foolish tax cuts simultaneously as presidential leadership.

So now we have two stalemates going and a debt approaching 100% of annual GDP. Maybe if shrub and reprehensibles had taken their time with war and thwe economy an dmaybe if MSNBC had actaully tried reporting on them rather than cheerleading the current president wouldn't find his hands so tied by circumstances.

Nah, its all clintons fault...just ask rush or cheney
Also, did it take a tough question by NBC's Savannah Guthrie on the boys-only hoops games to suddenly have the president his first woman golfing yesterday (Domestic Policy Adviser Melody Barnes)? Apparently. Timing wasn't coincidence, it seems.

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Here's some interesting timing. Until two weeks ago, the msnbc blabbering heads didn't say one word about Fox News not being a real "News organization". Then Obama has the msnbc crew of Olbermann and Maddow plus the NY Times writers up to the WH for private meetings, and guess what happens? All msnbc and the Times can talk about now is how Fox News isn't really news. Now that's a coincidence if I ever saw one.
Obama says he's concered about the deficit and debt. He's so concerned that he's adding to both as fast as he can.
I am really getting tired of hearing what Olympia Snowe wants in a healthcare bill, it would be much better to write a bill that is good foe the American people and if Snowe votes against it so be it, that would be much better than writing a bill that makes Snowe and the insurance industry happy while screwing America, Obama needs to step up.
Gulf War I We in conjunction with the world define the mission and the objective put the requested forces in place and overcame the urge to carry the mission past it's objectives.We "won" and everyone came home to a heros welcome.Vietnam, Gulf War II and Afganistan even though we started with clear objectives they soon became muddled. The Domino Theory, Spread Freedom, Police Elections come to mind. To the best of my knowledge except for several small unit setbacks in none of these Wars has the U.S. military lost an engagement. Yet some are going to say that we are losing.I know because that was the tag that stuck for years with some of us when we came back from our service. So all of you military experts out there who are going to raise heck and say that if we don't do such and so we are going to "lose" please define what it will take for you to classify it as a "win" so a whole generation of men and women won't have to come home and listen to this cr@p when they have gone and done the best they knew how for far to long now. Then consider the cost and whether these young folks who are more than willing to pay for the check that you are more than willing to write for them.It ain't Politics folks even though some of us are more than willing to make it so.
Apparently, "journalists" are more concerned about this terrible violation of women's rights to play basket ball with the president than they were about the trivial issue of women being denied equal pay for equal work. President Obama went a long way to redress that grievance by signing the Lilly Ledbetter Act. But who cares about minor stuff like that when Obama's golf partners are the burning issue of the day among the chattering class?
Houston


Obama dithering and stalling on sending troops to the war of necessity in Afghanistan is also hurting women. Don't see too many women in command positions in any of the Taliban controlled areas now do you?
I am really getting tired of hearing what Olympia Snowe wants in a healthcare bill, it would be much better to write a bill that is good foe the American people and if Snowe votes against it so be it, that would be much better than writing a bill that makes Snowe and the insurance industry happy while screwing America, Obama needs to step up.
Jody: You are too kind.  Playing Indiana is almost like having a bye.  Prediction: Iowa 35--Indiana 14.
Let's have a good week, all!  Pat, Boston - I don't have to ask who you are rooting for - GO PHILLIES!
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Clara, boy you got that right. lol!!! GO PHILLIES!
Speaking of vetoes, anyone else surprised he hasn't found something to veto?

Dear FR, before Obie-wan can find something to veto, he and his incompetent gang of leftists must first have accomplished something...anything...to be vetoed.  It is extremely difficult to veto "voting present" yet he might veto million dollar date nights at taxpayers' expense with the hate-America bItch.
Word is that unemployment will stay at 10% through Obie's first term, or travel higher.

Nancy, how does that grab ya darlin'?

RAZOR

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Nancy P. couldn't care less. She's busy finding ways to take money from the people that earn it, and give it to the ones that don't.

The real unemployment is around 17% too. Many of the unemployed have just quit looking, and those people do not count against the current unemployment numbers. Where I live, in Michigan, we're thinking of just shutting the state down until Spring. We can put signs up that say "Closed for Repairs". We can put the signs up next to our "Hope and Change" and "Yes We Can" signs from last years elections.

When Obama took office, Iraq and Afghanistan were both stable and on track to have successful completions. Since Obama took office, both countries have been mis-managed by Obama. Terror is on the rise both in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama is dithering about making descisions on either country. We see the results.
LT - ME (Sent Monday, October 26, 2009 9:35 AM)

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President Bush was the one who made the decision that the majority of US Troops would withdraw from Iraq earlier this year.

Silly me, blaming the Bush Administration!
NO JOBS

Unemployment at 10% and other people having their 5-day work week cut to 2-4 days just so they can keep their job but still lose money.

The Obama administration has screwed this country into the ground.


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The clowns are running the circus.
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And when is Obie gonna talk to McCrystal about ground troops in Afganistan? Just like those stoops flying that Northwest jet 150 miles past the intended airport, Obama breaks radio contact with his commander-in-chief. Still another outrage.


Bad Chihuahua
Moon Dawg
Polythene Pam .. and the rest.

AND DON'T WAIT until 2013 !!
Start HCR in 2010 !!
Get it going BEFORE the ELECTION !!
Guess which way people will go ?
MSierra, SF (Sent Monday, October 26, 2009 9:44 AM)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

AFTER the election! Obama knows it is a scam and he will leave the mess for the next President.

"It was workin' when I left outta there!"

Don't worry you can still keep blaming Bush for everything that goes wrong in your pathetic lives.
Wow, that troll must have some sort of auto-feed making up names and places, since the comments all seem written by the same person and read the same here as at other news blogs.

That said, I'M 100% for a public option, unless we're going to the RIGHT thing and go single payer. As one who has traveled and lived outside of the USA extensively, I can vouch for much of the rest of the world having single payer (so-called socialist) systems THAT WORK. Higher taxes? Maybe, but at least they get SOMETHING for those dollars - other than bombs, dead soldiers and excuses for turning this country into a fascist state.

The comments all look like no bo wrote them, don't they?
A new day.  122 people WILL DIE today due to lack of health insurance (45,000 per year)
New Wave

And scores will die in Afghanistan because Obama has more time to golf then he does to figure out what to do in that country.
White House vs. Fox News—Who Won?

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Who won? Freedom won! When the WH tried to throw a Fox News reporter out of the pool, the other media outlets stuck together. It's about time they (the other media outlets) pushed back. Most are still in the tank for Obama, but at least we now know they can at least draw a line somewhere in the sand.
Does Obama even know about this copter crash or is he too busy worrying about and seeking out ways to
diss FOX NEWS?


Louisiana CoCo


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Obama struggles to figure out if he should use a 6 iron or a 7 iron on his approach shots.


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