Cut backs in Meidcare? The Gray Brigade will be decending on Nancy's Place by mid afternnon. They'll be gone though by 4pm, they want to make the early-bird dinner special at Denny's.

Nancy, your bill. DOA.

KEY WORDS:
"almost all Americans"...including the tens of millions of illegal aliens given stealth citizenship by the Marxist-in-Chief...

"900 billion over ten years"...actually no less than 3-5 trillion over a much shorter time frame...

"without increasing the federal budget deficit for at least 20 years"...what an outrageous lie!!!  Under normal circumstances, the budget is way short each and every year, let alone being adversely affected by the compounding effect over some 20 years...

"The New York Times adds, “The cost would be offset by new taxes and by cutbacks in Medicare."...The Neu Yark Slimes?  Who would ever doubt this administration rag piece?  And new taxes?  Even you dog and cat are going to be hit on their food tax!  And as far as cutbacks in Medicare---just ask any senior citizen the draconian cutbacks in the pipeline for next year alone.

Summary: Lies, absolute lies and the liars who tell them...the lying leftist-Marxist bastards who tell them.

Whatsamatter Nancy? Taking heat for trying to change the name of the public option to make it seem more appealing to the masses that don't want it.

Hell, they don't want you around either.
Approval below 30%? Ouch!

I am trying to understand how the moral majority and the pro-lifers are so against a Public Option for Americans.

Pro Life means just that.  It doesn’t STOP when the child is born…

Should they maybe change their name to Pro-BirthONLY?

Plus, when healthcare becomes mandatory like care insurance, do you want us all (INCLUDING YOU…) to be thrown to the wolves (the insurance companies) to pay any outlandish premimums they chose?

Think about it and encourage your representatives to represent you… not the companies they are receiving all that money from …  
If they can’t do that…

VOTE THEM OUT!!!
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Please consider the following:

At this moment there is a shortage of Primary Care Physicians (PCPs) in the United States - the published number ranges from 10,000 to 18,000!

There are (depending upon what media you believe) approximately 50 million uninsured people in the USA, a number equal to 20% of the insured.

It is without doubt that adding 50 million people to the rolls of the insured will result in a major impact on the number of PCPs required to care for the newly insured, likely a total shortage of up to  30,000.

So,

Question Number One:  Where do we get the PCPs?

Now, a little simple mathematics... I really do not know what the cost of caring for the insured population is at the moment. No one really seems to know, although the number of Two Trillion plus floats around. I do know that the increase of insured people will increase the count by 20% (see above).

Let us be generous and cut the cost increase (most recently said to be $880 Billion over 10 years) in half by "savings" and "efficiencies" * and that still leaves a 10% gap that has to be paid for in some manner. Since we do know that 10%  of multi-trillion (!) dollar numbers is not exactly small change, that leads to

Question Number Two: Where does the money come from to pay the new costs?

Not one politician that I have read or heard (admittedly I have not perused all) has given a straight answer to these simple, critical questions.

If you, using your good offices, could pose this question around to others in journalism, maybe we could get a straightforward, perhaps truthful, answer.

Centerists do not prefer a public option. Only hard line leftists. MSNBC...your bias is showing....I bet you won't show this

What ever happened to the promise of NO NEW TAXES to fund this health care? Just another promise broken

Here's the deal....Pelosi and her gang of robbers are going to bury all of us for sure!!! I want the kind of insurance she and all the politicians have, FREE AND FOR LIFE!!! I don't see them jumping to buy anything....just lay it all on the people!!!  See you at the ballot box.....no one in this administration will get a vote from me....from the President on down!

This is the wrong bill at the wrong time. Hopefully it won't pass.  Even House Democrates arn't behind it as presented by Pelosi.

"Sieg Heil" is the very last line to her purposely.

Last night I received a robo call from Pat Boone, of all people, trying to frighten seniors about the dangers of 'government run' health care...  

How low can the GOP go?  FEAR is still their rallying cry..  Pitiful, just pitiful...

Democrats think that you can tax the rich and the middle class and poor will not be affected. It is like taking water out of one side of a bucket and expecting the other side not to drop. That's why the EU has such high unemployment, and low growth...and sorry to say it a lower standard of living for the middle class in exchange for a higher standard of living for the poor and government salaries. An American that makes $50,000/yr lives an equivalent standard of living as an EU citizen making $75,000. Fewer europeans are homeowners, they have smaller homes, smaller cars and consume more modest foods. They go without big LCD TVs, SUVs, 2 and 3 car households, homes over 3,000 sq.ft. and other things that we love about being Americans. There are enough socialist paradises, but the US is the last great free market country...for the most part. When the government is in charge of allocating resources, favoritism starts. Do you really think under Pelosi democrats won't have better access to health care and government resources. Thanks for listening...and vote for conservatives whatever party they belong to.

Can the folks that are posting say things like:

A. MSNBC is Obama's lap dog.
B. MSNBC gets all media reviewed by the commander
C. MSNBC cut cost by excluding real reporting and journalism.

Note: One can only guess that MSNBC files for bankruptcy only to get on the government dole too!

That got to be a beautiful thing for all of the mush heads that work their.

I'm sure you'll delete this.

Cheers

“The cost would be offset by new taxes and by cutbacks in Medicare..."

Obie promised no new taxes; how can he let Piglosi get away with that?

Cutbacks in Medicare??  It's already hard to find a doctor that will accept a Medicare patient because the government doesn't reimburse them.  

"I guarantee you we will provide you with a bill that costs less and provides better care for the American people."  - Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Missouri, June 17, 2009

...and that bill is...where, exactly?

Progressives Do Not Penalize Working Poor!

The Real Progressives see clearly, that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and her snob Democrat allies could care less about Health Care for the Working Poor.

Working Poor have only heard what the penalty will cost them, if they can not afford the plan hatched by Nancy Pelosi's brood.

Working Poor need every Health Care dollar available to us for basic needs like: Toothpaste, Mouth Wash, Aspirin, Flu/Cold Medicine, Bandages, Vitamins, Skin Ointments, Baby Formula, Diapers, and many other items available at the local pharmacy.

HOW CAN PELOSI CALL IT HEALTH CARE, WHEN THE PENALTIES WILL HURT SO BAD?

The new bill includes massive taxes and fees on device manufacturers...even for introducing new products. This will kill all innovation, as well as kill those smaller device manufacturers still employing people in the US. They will be operating at a loss, and will STOP.

Thanks a lot, Obama voters. You've screwed us all.

Seldom does the public get to see all the back and forth, negotiations, and compromises required to get a major bill through the Congress. This, the founding fathers saw was to ensure Congress wasn't just wasting time on stuff that didn't matter. Although they certainly do what seems trivial it is during the process of getting major legislation through that Congress shows just how wise those founders were. What will come out of Congress after all is said and done will be a comprehensive, compromise, that no one can live with nor live without. It will include a public option, albeit not as robust as some would like. The goal is to reduce the cost of medical insurance so everyone can be covered. If the law does that they will have been successful, no matter how it is done.

This one is gonna be long libbies -- better get comfortable.

“The House legislation aims to provide health insurance of one form or another to almost all Americans at an expected cost just below $900 billion over 10 years, without increasing the federal budget deficit for at least 20 years..."

“The cost would be offset by new taxes and by cutbacks in Medicare, so the bill would not increase the federal budget deficit in the next 10 years or in the decade after that. The new bill, like an earlier version, retains a surtax on high-income people, but increases the thresholds. The tax would hit married couples with adjusted gross incomes exceeding $1 million a year and individuals over $500,000 — just three-tenths of 1 percent of all households..."
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Riiight...so the cost is projected to be $900B over 10 years, not increase the deficit, and you're proposing to cut Medicare (seniors are gonna love that--political suicide--not gonna happen) while taxing 0.3% of the population (much more palatable to the majority of the voting populace, but a source of far too little revenue to be realistic) to pay for this messy monstrosity.  Remember, filthy rich people stay filthy rich because they know how to keep their money.  You really think these rich people are going to peacefully part with that much cash?  If so, you really are ignorant -- they'll send it all overseas ahead of the legislation where Unkle Sam can't get to it.  Then what?  Honestly, what group of moronic bean-counting eggheads in Pelosi's office came up with this!?  Are they (as with their boss) on drugs living in a very different world?  This makes as much sense as the Bush budget surplus over 10 years that was pushed at the beginning of his presidency -- and how did that go over, folks?  Is there any reason we Americans should expect fiscal accuracy from our politicians in Washington for a 20-year timetable when they completely botch a plan that is less than 10 years old?  Grow up Washington (DC, that is).  The real price tag is virtually ALWAYS higher than the projection, and the sources of perceived revenue are not as reliable as politicians might like to think -- and in the case of healthcare, we can be completely confident that it will cost more... much, much more... and the sources of income to pay for it WILL NOT come from taxing the rich.  It will come from borrowing because the nads required to tax those who will actually pay the tax (i.e. everyone BUT the rich) don't exist in Washington.

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"The proposal calls for the officials who run the public plan to negotiate rates individually with physicians and hospitals."
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This is the same way private insurance works.  Guess what?  If there is not agreement between the insurance company and the doctor with respect to pay -- YOU'RE NOT COVERED (unless you have a PPO where you get out-of-network coverage, which is often peanuts -- so much for "if you like your doctor, you keep it" -- sure, you keep it if you want to pay the full price for it).  If you're thinking that Unkle Sam will then just hold a gun to the doctor's heads and say "Yes, you will accept this as payment in full (like they do now with Medicaid -- which is why alot of doctors don't accept it)", then you'd better get ready for 2nd or 3rd rate care.  Why?  Because when a doctor's cost is higher than what is collected from payments -- he's out of business (and usually ends up moving somewhere else to practice so he can make a living).  What's left are doctors who will work for nothing -- and you can guess how many of those there are...  This, Madam Pelosi (and leftist nutbags), is what happens when tort reform and insurance oversight are left out of the equation.  Doctors are mandated to work for less while their biggest operating costs (i.e. malpractice insurance) are ignored.  (Hmm... maybe those conservative ideas of tort reform and insurance oversight DO play into this scheme afterall...)

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"The letters were sent to Grayson through namesofthedead.com -- a Web site he unveiled on the House floor last week to call attention to the number of people who have died because they did not have access to health care."
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Priceless -- if any fool in this country believes they don't have access to medical care (save those choosing to live in remote areas where they really ARE living far enough away from available medical care), then they must want to die.  Why?  Because ANYONE can get access to medical care in this country whether they have money to pay or not -- it's the law -- read a few of the signs on the walls next time you're at the hospital... If you don't seek the medical care to save your life, you won't get it; you have to seek it first -- it's called self-motivated personal responsibility -- if you have it, use it; if you don't, then you probably won't be missed.  

People in Grayson's district should feel pretty embarrassed to have a dope like this for a rep.

Yada, yada, yada and blah, blah, blah, and yada, yada, yada and blah, blah, blah and hundreds of amendments and thousands of satisfied customers and not one politician nor ONE OF YOU observing insurance FUNDAMENTALS.  You can no more insure basic health care than you can insure oil changes for your car.  This is SO IMPORTANT, LET ME SAY IT AGAIN: YOU CAN NO MORE INSURE BASIC HEALTH CARE THAN YOU CAN INSURE OIL CHANGES FOR YOUR CAR….AND ONE MORE TIME: YOU CAN NO MORE INSURE BASIC HEALTH CARE THAN YOU CAN INSURE OIL CHANGES FOR YOUR CAR!!!!!!  

Too many benefits/claims paid, not enough rate payers to cover them all.  Sweet Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ, this ain’t rocket science…IT IS GRADE SCHOOL MATHEMATICS!!!!!

"The new bill includes massive taxes and fees on device manufacturers...even for introducing new products."
Mike R - you are aware aren't you that most of the sales reps for these device manufacturers make more than most of the surgeons who actually use them, right?  They are one of the reason's healthcare costs are so out of control.  And I happen to work for doctors who invent devices all the time, they are not at all upset by taxing the device manufacturers, we all know those manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of the American citizens needing good healthcare.
There is no way a sales rep could ever do anything to deserve that much money, they sure don't earn it, I know this because I've watched them in action.

For all of the people out there worried about Abortion and Healthcare, I have YET to meet a doctor in South FL that will take ANY insurance for abortions.....even in the case of the Mother having Terminal Cancer.  Let's get this done and take these Wedge Issues for what they are.....another reason to kill HCR.

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