DG:

Juan is thanking the government for taking it from you and giving it to him.  He apparently likes it when that happens.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:04 PM)


Juan Ft. Lauderdale: Oh and one more thing,thanks for the cash for clunkers,the deal i got was to good to pass up,Love my new Chevy pick=up.
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Why are you thanking the government for your new car? It would be more prudent to thank me and every other American that paid for your great deal on your new truck. Just like a liberal. Ignoring the fact that hard working Americans are paying for your sweeheart services.

DG, Houston, TX (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:35 PM)
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HA HA HA HA!

In your haste to 'bash' someone and not taking the time to read the entire post...

You can't even 'bash' the right person... lol lol lol

Ummm.. you might want to double check as JUAN NEVER posted that!
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For eight years, all Bush did was go on vacation at his ranch; Obama takes a few days to take his wife to dinner or play golf and it's "blah, blah, blah"!! If he didn't play golf, they would call him a racist; if he wasn't involved with his children's activities, they would call him a "horrible father," and if he didn't take his wife to dinner, they would accuse him of being a "negligent husband."  

Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:07 PM
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Yes!  

And don't forget his ‘date’ nights certainly cause the righties heads to explode… you know the ones… they’re all card carrying ‘Family Values’ kinda people!

So the trick for him is the -- how long to let this stimulus of the deficit spending play out and when to shut it down. And I think the answer is the sooner we can shut it down, the better, but we can't do it until we really got job growth underway again."
Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:32 PM)

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Excellent post Pam!

And a good eye!

*** UPDATE *** The press secretary for House Minority Whip Eric Cantor e-mailed First Read contending that Republicans were barred from being at Pelosi's West Front announcement.
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Eric,

Tell us again why you have any right to be there?

You offered NOTHING & you DON'T support it... so why is it NOW so damn important to get the pinched up face of yours in front of the camera's?

Stick with Agent Orange... he'll be 'blasting' any time now!

The dems can move all they want, it's the majority of the American people that will not accept it as they will be showing their extreme displeasure by their showing at the polling booths.

Anyone who believes the government will be responsible managing healthcare is an absolute moron. This is nothing more but a brazen attempt by this administration and its liberal minions at control of the masses. God help us if this monstrosity passes.

The dems can move all they want, it's the majority of the American people that will not accept it as they will be showing their extreme displeasure by their showing at the polling booths.
Truth Be Told (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:18 PM)

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Out of curiousity, how many members of Congress will be up for election/re-election on Tuesday?

That's what I thought.

It's been decades since the need for reform was identified. The USA spends too much and gets too little out of its health-care system.

It's time for major reform. Get it done, fix any possible problems later. Let the extreme right-wing anti-government ideologues and their parrots at Fox and the Washington Times complain. They're history.

What is disconcering is:  The Liberals have everything, legislatively.  Now, for the first ime in years the libs are getting greedy and wants it all.  They can not take 8 out of ten issues that they support.  NOPE! Got to have all ten.  Funny, they will end up with nothing and lose they're majority for years because of greed!  You would think they would learn from wall stret, but no, not these democrats.  They suck...  to say nothing of the current republicans, both parties should be dismantled.

The goveronment has ran health care for years, the problem the Republicants have is there won't be as many Health Insurance Lobbyists lining their pockets with PAC donations.

I agree with Kucinich.  The conservatives and moderates are in the process of failing the American people.

Out of curiousity, how many members of Congress will be up for election/re-election on Tuesday?

I got yer truth right here!

Too bad you are unable to look at the BIG picture by being blind in one eye and unable to see out of the other.

*** UPDATE *** The press secretary for House Minority Whip Eric Cantor e-mailed First Read contending that Republicans were barred from being at Pelosi's West Front announcement.

Any truth to the rumor that Ms. Pelosi opened the ceremony by shouting "Welcome to Fantasy Island!".

From Chicago, we see where a city run by Democrats gets you: One of the more controversial pieces of Mayor Daley’s 2010 budget is the requirement for all city workers, including police and firemen, to take 24 unpaid furlough days.

So lets see if we have this straight. The taxpayers of Chicago pay their taxes to the city with the agreement that the city will provide essential services. But when the city overspends and over taxes, resulting in a revenue shortfall, the city rescinds those very same services that it promised to provide. So the good people of Chicago are paying taxes to get, furloughed workers?

Chicago is the #1 deadliest city in America. Do you think furloughing the police will help or hurt that standing?

So what happens when Health Care is socialized and funds run short? Do we furloogh the doctors and the nurses? Give them 24 unpaid days off?

The Loner with the Boner

'...If my count is right, that was 134 days ago...'
Dithering Dummies

'...John Boehner (R-Ohio) said it's "pretty difficult" for Republicans to come up with a "solid plan,"...'

It's 'Hard Work' !!!

DON'T ASSUME that Republicans will WIN the 2010 elections
Put Health Care Reform in place in 2010 !!


From Washington Monthly:

'...FAILING TO MEET THEIR OWN STANDARDS....

The House Republican leadership "guaranteed" that they would offer an alternative health care reform bill. If my count is right, that was 134 days ago.

Asked about when Americans can expect to see the GOP plan, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said it's "pretty difficult" for Republicans to come up with a "solid plan," because the minority caucus is "not quite sure how the majority intends to proceed."

I'm not sure what that's even supposed to mean. Republicans started putting together their health care reform proposal in June. They've had plenty of time to meet behind closed doors and craft the superior plan that will prove the seriousness with which the GOP takes this issue. What's the holdup?

Boehner wants to know first how Democrats intend to proceed? Well, here's a tip for the Minority Leader: Democrats will probably hold a vote on the reform bill they've spent the last year putting together. The question is, how does he intend to proceed?

Of course, when House Republicans live up to their word and present an alternative bill, the one thing we can count on is having plenty of time to read it before it reaches the floor for a vote. After all, if there's one thing GOP lawmakers have been harping on for months, it's the need for health care reform plans to be publicly available, for all the world to see, before lawmakers cast a vote. If there's one thing Republicans would want to avoid hypocrisy on, this is the issue, right?

Republicans have been insisting for months that Democrats are shoving a secret bill down the throats of the American public. The health reform legislation "should be posted online for 72 hours so members and the American people get a chance to see what's in these bills," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) told Fox News. "But it seems to me that Democrat [sic] leaders want to rush these bills through Congress before anybody has a chance to read them."

In fact, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) "has repeatedly pledged to Republicans that the health bill and any manager's amendment would be posted online for at least 72 hours before the House votes," and he promised again this week.

At a press conference this morning, a reporter turned the tables on Boehner and asked whether he'd post the GOP plan for 72 hours. Boehner declined to make such a pledge.



Boehner responded to the question by saying, "Uh, we'll uh, we'll have our ideas ready."

Polls show widespread dissatisfaction with Republicans' handling of the health care debate. Imagine that....'

It SUCKS to be a Republican

Interesting and festive that Nancy P. wore a scary halloween mask during her speech about HCR when she was on the Capital steps. What? That wasn't a mask? . . . Never mind.

And don't forget his ‘date’ nights certainly cause the righties heads to explode… you know the ones… they’re all card carrying ‘Family Values’ kinda people!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:12 PM)

Yeah, those great "family values guys" (and women), these guys!!

Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Larry Craig, David Vitter, Joe Scarborough, John McCain, Bob Livingston, Mike Duvall, Donald "Buz" Lukens,  Henry Hyde, Bob Barr, Dan Burton, Don Sherwood, Bob Packwood, Robert Bauman, and Helen Chenoweth!!

What a group of wonderful "family values guys and gals!!

agree with Kucinich.  The conservatives and moderates are in the process of failing the American people.
Steven Randolph, Tampa, FL (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:35 PM)

Dennis Kucinich has always put the American people first; as I was saying last week, if there were a new Party formed, I would be on board with Dennis Kucinich!!

Yes, Richard, I was serious!!

Ron in Indy

I answered your outlandish "Confessions of a Fool, er, Blogger," but I doubt it gets printed.

I will tell you that I, Full Moon, have solely labeled Obama, the spinless, gutless, get even paramecium .... Obie. Damn proud of it too. I'm happy that others on this blog, along with a few of the Chihuahua Gang, have picked up on it. I also have it out there in the boggersphere and others have adopted it. I'm sure he knows about it. It's mild to the other names he's being called.

The name fits because he has no sense of anything but himself. He's been told how to walk, talk, dress and postured from day one. He's not his own person and his thin-skinned "I'll get you for that" attitude reflects a rad juvenile personality rarely shown. He copies Bush but publicly disses him. Hey, is there a doctor in the house? Obie is clearly lost and out of touch. His path is socialism because he's listened to too many Rev Wright types.

His only talent is to lead people down almost any road he wishes. I liken them to wildebeests that follow one another over a cliff and I refer to them as The Gullibles, of which you are one, as are most of the libs on this blog that can't think for themselves.

Obie is a self-proclaimed Mighty Mouse. He can't/won't make a decision and has the state of the economy "miscalculated." His buds are radicals and so he is one himslef.

Too bad you never had the guts to call me out in your little blog. Maybe you should be called Obie.

So the trick for him is the -- how long to let this stimulus of the deficit spending play out and when to shut it down. And I think the answer is the sooner we can shut it down, the better, but we can't do it until we really got job growth underway again."
Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:32 PM)

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Excellent post Pam!

And a good eye!
Greg P. NW Indiana



And with all the additional taxes and regulations on individuals and businesses, that job growth will be weak to non-existent. So you're saying the borrowing and spending by the government at the current record and historic levels will continue. So what happens when the bill comes due? Or will just make the monthly minimum payment, like people do on their credit cards, and by doing that the loan will be paid off, . . . . never?

A message to Democrats:

We want a robust Public Option, available to all Americans on day one tied to Medicare rates.  We want Medicare for all, like every other western industrial nation provides to their citizens.  You are not going to give it to us, you have made that perfectly clear.  Instead, you are in a race to the bottom, suffering from a critical lack of leadership and vision, to see just how watered down health care reform can be.  This is not an incremental step, don't try to hide behind that moniker.  You are caving to the special interests and their selfish minions, you are cowards.  

The Republicans are not the problem, they are pathetic and I expected nothing more or less from them.  At least they know who they are.  They are the epitome of the me society, the greed is good society, the I've got mine and the hell with you society.  While I loath them for what they represent, they are the devil I know.

You are on the other hand chameleons, not all of you mind you but enough to bring down the house.  Those of you of good will and good intentions, I must say, that is not enough.  It is only enough if you use that good well to convince, to compel or to force the cowards around you to act, and act now for the good of the American People.  We have been waiting decades for this moment and we are tired of the special interests wining the day while the middle class keeps losing, enough we say, enough...  We gave you Democrats an election mandate and the majorities you needed to carry out your mission and you are failing.  The Democratic party is at a cross roads, can you govern or not?  Deliver the goods and do it now or fully expect a complete lack of enthusiasm and an electoral rout next time around...

What is disconcering is:  The Liberals have everything, legislatively.  Now, for the first ime in years the libs are getting greedy and wants it all.  They can not take 8 out of ten issues that they support.  NOPE! Got to have all ten.  Funny, they will end up with nothing and lose they're majority for years because of greed!  You would think they would learn from wall stret, but no, not these democrats.  They suck...  to say nothing of the current republicans, both parties should be dismantled. mike (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:28 PM)
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More reason for people to start supporting third parties...I wish Ross Perot would've waited and ran in 2000...I think he would've won that one.

I think the problem was that most true democrats wanted single payer. But they started with a compromise rolling out the public option on day one.  A public option is a compromise, and not a bad one at that.

Even socialist countries with basic health care provided allows for private for profit companies to offer supplemental insurance for over and above services.

Healthcare is not a priveledge, it is a human right to be able to live.  By denying healthcare, you deny a persons right to survive.  Your lifespan is shortened when you do not have access to basic healthcare.  We are the fastest growing economy that ever was, but yet we cannot provide basic fundamentals that will not only drive down costs in the long run, but will make us more productive as a nation.

Excellent post Pam!

And a good eye!
Greg P. NW Indiana (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:13 PM)

Thank you, Greg; I can't take the credit; it came from a very brilliant man!!

Credit Crunch (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:45 PM)

Please study Econ 101 before making a ridiculous comment like you have!!

There will be a compromise that the Blue Dogs, and moderate Republicans can claim victory by having the bill watered down and that the liberals can claim victory on for passing at all. It won't be perfect nor the best they can do but it will be a starting point to be modified later depending on how the public, insurance industry, states etc. deal  with it. The far right wing radical extremist bunch won't like anything so we can ignore them.

And with all the additional taxes and regulations on individuals and businesses, that job growth will be weak to non-existent. So you're saying the borrowing and spending by the government at the current record and historic levels will continue. So what happens when the bill comes due? Or will just make the monthly minimum payment, like people do on their credit cards, and by doing that the loan will be paid off, . . . . never? Credit Crunch (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:45 PM)

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Ronald Reagan, increased the debt by 300% and was the inventor of massive deficit spending in modern times.
George W. Bush Doubled the debt.  Even the projected debt levels over the next 10 years based CBO estimates Obama will not "double" the debt like our last president.

That dog won't hunt.

And after world war II our debt was 120% of GDP compared to 80% now.

Drastic situations call for desperate measures, and some of the most brilliant economists on the face of the planet agree (some would say he's not doing enough).

The debt will be paid off as he is able to fix healthcare ,obsessive military spending, and the massive trade deficit due to our addiction to overseas oil... and inflation over time will eat away at our debt's value.

Dennis Kucinich has always put the American people first; as I was saying last week, if there were a new Party formed, I would be on board with Dennis Kucinich!!

Yes, Richard, I was serious!!
Pam, San Pedro, California

As mayor, Dennis the Menace put Cleveland in such a financial hole they may never dig themselves out. Putting people first?! What a joke! Dennis spend money he didn't have, kind of like what he and his Democrat friends are doing at a national level with the result being the same.

Putting people first. First to pay for his mistakes! That's the only thing Dennis has put the people first for in his pathetic life.

Eric,

Tell us again why you have any right to be there?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:15 PM

Fruity,   Perhaps it is because it is a public space open to all. There were no signs that said Liberals only. Not only do you need a lesson in civility, it seems you need a civics lesson as well.

Chicago is the #1 deadliest city in America. Do you think furloughing the police will help or hurt that standing?


Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:39 PM)

*****

Not even in the top 25... sit down  STFU

http://www.mibazaar.com/unsafecities/

Why no mention that Boehner admits there is NO GOP hc plan?

Out of curiousity, how many members of Congress will be up for election/re-election on Tuesday?

That's what I thought.
I got yer truth right here!


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People have a good memory, they'll still rememeber how the Democrats sold them down the river in a year. People can only get slapped in the face and kicked in the groin by the Democrats so many times before they realize that the Republicans were bad, but the Democrats are worse. Much worse.

"Sets up a $10 billion reinsurance program for insurance plans which cover early retirees (those between ages 55 and 65)."  While I like this bill, this is my favorite part, and it makes sense, want to employ those younger workers, cut the unemployment rate?  Well, let me retire, the only thing that keeps a lot of us working is for the health insurance benefit (regardless of how pitiful it is).
This is a good plan, I don't have a problem taxing anyone making over $500,000 or a couple making over a million a year, no matter where you live - that is wealthy enough to not miss it much if you have any common sense and know how to live within your budget, device manufactures make out like bandits, most of their sales reps make more than the surgeons who use the product, so I'm not upset with that either, and anything we can do that will lessen the control of the health insurance industry is always good for the patient - your doctor should decide your care, never the health insurance industry.
time to get'er done, pass it by next week and let's start taking care of our own people instead of those in Iraq.  It has been a long time coming, but I think it has been worth the wait.  I sure hope the devil's wh**e, the chamber of commerce has a fit and shows how awful they really are!

"move foreward"
Now, there's a phrase you don't hear much from the right these days......

Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:39 PM)

So basically you're saying you LIKE those "socialist" services provided to you; in fact, you are saying you are ENTITLED to them!! Hmmm, quite the hypocrisy there, Matt!!

Do you also enjoy police protection, military protection, garbage collection, water and power services and the like??  How "socialist" of you!!

LOL!!

Full Moon - you are far too bitter, you lost, get over it, stop mooning and crooning over georgie - bet you supported that adulderer ronnie reagun (oh yes, well documented, he and nancy were fooling around big time before his divorce, back in those days Hollyweird was somewhat conservative to those issues and that is one of the reasons he never made it very big in acting, that and he was not a good actor either) too, didn't ya? wink wink.
Sorry honey, you are no where near as good as you think you are and lots of us called georgie (I could call him worse but I choose not to lower myself to your level) out because he was a puppet, nothing more, nothing less.  perhaps you can heroworship a drunk/drug addict who never had a real job until he was 40 but I can't, perhaps you want to work until you are 70 but I don't, been working since I was 16 hears old, worked while in college and worked two jobs the entier time nixon, reagun, and both bushes were in office just to survive.  While I would never say the democrats are perfect by any means of the measure, I know who appreciates a good worker, and I have never met a republican who really cares about anyone who works for a living or works for them, they want you to have enough education to work for them, but not enough to own the company, they want you to be healthy enough to come to work, but not healthy enough to live a long healthy life.  And if the persuit of life, liberty, and happiness does not include good health than i sure don't know what does - how could you do any of the above without good healthcare?
I think you are a repugnant plan who probably sells health insurance on the side.  Don't worry, we won't ever forget all the lies georgie told us, so keep on yelling, I agree with Greg P, where I come from, that dog just won't hunt.

"People have a good memory", right you are TJ -MO, and that is why we will never forget the georgie & dickie show.

And with all the additional taxes and regulations on individuals and businesses, that job growth will be weak to non-existent. So you're saying the borrowing and spending by the government at the current record and historic levels will continue. So what happens when the bill comes due? Or will just make the monthly minimum payment, like people do on their credit cards, and by doing that the loan will be paid off, . . . . never?
Credit Crunch (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:45 PM)

Read the damn bill. Where does it raise taxes? The bill will actually be neutral. Over time, if people maintain good health because they have access to good health care there will be lower costs because of a need for less medication, less visits to emergency rooms for things that could have been prevented earlier if one had seen a doctor early on. The bill states quite clearly that if you have insurance through your employer you can keep what you have. All this bill does is ensure that those currently unable to AFFORD quality health care will be given subsedized health care. This levels the playing field. Those folks will still pay premiums and co pays but at a lower rate because they have as much right to life as you or I or anyone else does.

The bill is available on the House Rules Committee Website.

The Speaker's office says it would cost $894 Billion over 10 years and be FULLY PAID FOR.

Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:39 PM)

So basically you're saying you LIKE those "socialist" services provided to you; in fact, you are saying you are ENTITLED to them!! Hmmm, quite the hypocrisy there, Matt!!

Do you also enjoy police protection, military protection, garbage collection, water and power services and the like??  How "socialist" of you!!

LOL!!

Pam, San Pedro, California (

You're nuts. People pay money, goods or services are provided. Do you go to the grocery store, pile your cart full of food, pay for it at the check out and walk out without what you just bought? I bet you do, you sound crazy enough. You don't think you're entitled to what you just purchased. You libs are amazing, so much trust in government, even when they royally rip you off.

Chicago is the #1 deadliest city in America. Do you think furloughing the police will help or hurt that standing?


Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:39 PM)

*****

Not even in the top 25... sit down  STFU

http://www.mibazaar.com/unsafecities/
FR B.S. Police (Alter Ego #2)


Wrong. Come to one of high schools. They'll beat you with a board if you look at someone wrong. You've got to be someplace very special for that to happen.

Union Baby

Boy, what have you been drinking and/or smoking?

We didn't get past the first two lines and knew you were just rambling in the form of a lame payback. Way off the mark.

mipazaar? Come'on, you can do better then that. Or maybe you can't.

Read the damn bill. Where does it raise taxes? The bill will actually be neutral. Over time, if people maintain good health because they have access to good health care there will be lower costs because of a need for less medication, less visits to emergency rooms for things that could have been prevented earlier if one had seen a doctor early on. The bill states quite clearly that if you have insurance through your employer you can keep what you have. All this bill does is ensure that those currently unable to AFFORD quality health care will be given subsedized health care. This levels the playing field. Those folks will still pay premiums and co pays but at a lower rate because they have as much right to life as you or I or anyone else does.

The bill is available on the House Rules Committee Website.

The Speaker's office says it would cost $894 Billion over 10 years and be FULLY PAID FOR.


eagle1776

This is rich. If it's fully paid for, who's paying for it? You must work for the Democrats. You can spend a trillion dollars, and not have anyone pay for it, and yet it's deficit neutral. You bucking for Geitners job?

Sure, you do that. Don't raise taxes one cent, and have people just stay "healthy", healthy people don't ever get sick. We don't need those hospitals and doctors. What were we thinking when we came up with that idea to have all those doctors? An evil Republcian plan no doubt.

Desmond and Molly - takes two of you to type? LOL, you really are a joke, just go on now and talk amongst yourselves, no one else will listen to you anyway, except Full Moon, which you probably are anyway.  If full Moon wants to be called out, I'm sure there are lots of folks who can do it better than me, but heck, it's a message board, and I have just as much right to post on it as you or anyone else, the truth hurts, bet you are looking for your meds right about now, aren't ya?  Sorry, the health insurance industry probably decided to deny your claim in order to give the CEO his bonus.

You're nuts. People pay money, goods or services are provided. Do you go to the grocery store, pile your cart full of food, pay for it at the check out and walk out without what you just bought? I bet you do, you sound crazy enough. You don't think you're entitled to what you just purchased. You libs are amazing, so much trust in government, even when they royally rip you off.
Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:20 PM)

No, Matt!! You spoke of tax-payer services, you know, government run programs you feel you are being cheated out of!! Again, how "socialist" of you!!

LOL!!

Union Baby

Concerning your dum-dum talk:

They have medication for that right now. Maybe not if Obama gets his way. Wake up.

Pam, San Pedro, California (

You're nuts. People pay money, goods or services are provided. Do you go to the grocery store, pile your cart full of food, pay for it at the check out and walk out without what you just bought? I bet you do, you sound crazy enough. You don't think you're entitled to what you just purchased. You libs are amazing, so much trust in government, even when they royally rip you off.
Matt in Chicago


Didn't take long for this guy to figure things out. Nice going Matt.

JL.  The Government can certainly manage health care better because they don't owe stockholders a penny in earnings, and no one in government gets $24M as a yearly salary like the CEO of Aetna--insurance companies take about 30% off the top of premiums to pay themselves and their shareholders.  I fully support market-based capitalism but health care for American citizens should not be traded on Wall Street.

Rusty Follicles:

I tried to post a correction and point out that it was Jesse and not Juan, probably within a couple of minutes of posting it.

I did make a smartass remark about posters getting their aliases mixed up.  Generally, there isn't much difference between Juan and Jesse.

Anyway, sorry Juan.

Wrong. Come to one of high schools. They'll beat you with a board if you look at someone wrong. You've got to be someplace very special for that to happen. Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:23 PM)

mipazaar? Come'on, you can do better then that. Or maybe you can't. Matt in Chicago (Sent Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:25 PM)


*****

Sigh

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/23/most-dangerous-cities-lifestyle-real-estate-dangerous-american-cities_slide_16.html?thisSpeed=15000

is that better?  Top 15 metro's by forbes  (moderate right wing rag)as of 2009.

No chicago and again you are still full of the B.S.

found in 2 minutes

GOOD JOB DEMS!!

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