Blue line post are as credible as wikipedia and we know how that's going now don't we.
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Ohhhh…that’s right…. Wickepedia is ONLY a credible source on the rare occasion the right wing whack jobs ATTEMPT to back up their BS with some kind of ‘source’!

Thanks for clearing that up!   lol lol lol

Recall that the Democrats were just so very happy when Burris was appointed. Sure, he had a little baggage, and the Democrats like his co-Senator from Illinois fussed about it a little. But the Democrats knew they were getting a soild extreme left wing liberal vote for the next two yearsw while Burris filled out Obama's term.

So how has that worked for you Democrats? Now you've got another loose cannon to deal with. On one the moderate side you got Liberman that says he'll filbuster if their is a public option of any kind, and on the extreme leftwing side, you have Burris who said he'll block the bill if there isn't a strong public option. And in both cases, both Burris and Lieberman answer to no one.

That's called being in between a rock and hard place.

lookie here roland burris is at stroger hospital. if he does not vote for the HCR, president Obama will have Mayor King Richard, make him disapear!!!!

FR: <Burris delivered his remarks at Stroger Hospital in Chicago.>

In-house patient at the psychiatric ward? They're trying to cure Roland of liberalism, which has been classified as a mental disorder.

And the Democrats call the Republicans extreme. I seem to remember that a lot got done when Bush was President, even though he had slim majorities when he was in office. Not with the extreme liberal nuts like we see with Burris where there is no compromise, there is no middle ground. In the House, the Congressional Black/Hispanic/Asian/Gay Caucuses are making the same kind of noises. "Its my way or the highway" they say.

It's looking more and more like the highway for the Democrats.

Now he has got the right idea since Liberman big mouth got started we should go all the way and close this gap finally even some of the Republican know if it was their they would go for it all and they sdhould be siding wirth some to get it that way a true public option that will compete with the Insurer I mean who's in charge the American people the Congress or these insurance companies Mr. Burris theswe are the time that bring about good Soldiers who represent the will of the people and since they forgot about you well show them and you owe nobody nothing reconcilliate the whole public option and let the Democratc party show other's that they do have the American people first.

Like Lieberman, give him something and he will vote the way you wish. Another example of extortion/blackmail. He has one year and a day, then he can go home.

It takes no genius to see that, when someone who is for REAL health care reform is labeled a "thorn," the obstructionists have won.  

What it DOES take genius to see is anything that was gained by this phony battle over health care reform.  

Except insurance company profits, of course.  And campaign contributions.  No genius required to see that.

Burris delivered his remarks at Stroger Hospital in Chicago.

"In order to achieve real reform" there must be lowered cost, Burris added.

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How ironic, he delivers the speech at Stroger Hospital, the Crook County monument to massive cost over-runs and sweetheart construction contracts.

Lower costs? How? Tax the rich and have SOMEONE ELSE pay your medical bills, like most of the Medicaid patients at Stroger.

It ain't about lowering costs its about SHIFTING them. There is no reform here folks, expecially at Stroger Hospital. Stroger Sr. went to PRIVATE hospitals for his own medical care, not his namesake public hospital but it is good enough for YOU.

In many ways, I sympathize with Burris despite all the weird and questionable aspects of his appointment--his desire to be a senator won over the common sense wisdom that Blago's hand would taint him.  Burris will vote for the final HCR legislation.  He supports a strong public option and good for him but he will not defeat the bill.

False Promises (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 11:20 AM)
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The plan is there for you to look at. Where's your plan? Looks like Democrats have a plan that completely overhauls the system; Republicans have nothing. Literally nothing. Maybe some lies. Like Jon Kyl claiming that tort reform will save $200 billion. The Congressional Budget Office has already affirmed that medical malpractice reform will save around 1/10 of 1% of the total healthcare cost. So there you have it, I have proven that the Republican plan is based on lies. There is no Republican plan. Give it up already.
TrueProgressive, Tempe, AZ


"Overhauls". No. More like destroys. And it's not a plan, it's a takeover, a takeover by the federal government, 500+ politiicans think they can run something as large and diverse as health care system, better then then ones doing it today.

The Democrats don't have a plan, other then a hostile takeover of the health care system. They can't even manage the distribution of a flu vaccine. You see those lines to get the vaccine? Imagine those same lines when you need a physical, or someone to take a look at that lump you found, or if you're bleeding. That's what health care will look like with the feds running it.

Concrete boots

Not that I have ever thought Burris was on the up and up; in fact, I think he should have resigned after he was exposed for pretty much buying his seat, I agree with him on this one!!

A "robust public option" is what was promised us by President Obama, and a "robust public option" must be included in any Bill that Obama signs!!  

please don't get mad at me, i'm still a liberal but when it comes to illegals i'm still mad at the mexican president telling us that we need illegals to do jobs that blacks will not do

Jeff Evanston (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 12:38 PM)
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Whoops!  I stand corrected... the thing that threw me was when you said you were converting... lol lol lol...

And I could NEVER be 'mad' at ya!  Just cause we're libbies doesn't mean we march lock step!

Keep up the great work! :0)

The only way to lower costs for conusmers is to raise subsidies AND have a strong Public Option

It's unclear if we'll get either

Please be a 'good soldier' Sen Burris and support your party and your President and the America npeople

We CAN'T get everything we want

In an ideal world, I'd prefer single payer
But, it ain't gonna happen
So let's deal with the realities that we face
Get the best you can now
Hope for modifications in the future

'Don;t Let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good'


GET IT DONE (and DON'T be a Prima Donna

Apparently Burris is a thorn but not Lieberman...

From Washington Monthly:

'...* In Virginia, Bob McDonnell (R) didn't want to be seen with Sarah Palin, but the controversial former governor is featured on a new robocall, which encourages Virginians to "vote for Sarah's principles" on Election Day...'

What are those 'principles' ?

Get tax payers to pay for your children's travel expenses ?
Get tax payers to pay you when you live at your own home ??
Use your influence to try to get your ex-brother in law fired ??
Lie about your support for the 'Bridge to Nowhere' ?

Watch Russia from your Porch ??

Get your political party to pay for your clothes ??

Lie about 'Death Panels'


Principles ot live by !!!

BURRIS = more Chicago Corruption.

We'll call it the CC Game.

'...It has been more than 135 days since House Republicans had promised to provide a health care alternative...'

I'll bet they're gonna have something REALLY GOOD !!!

'...after the Washington Post published a piece revealing that he himself is running out of extensions on his employer-based health insurance and, because of a pre-existing condition, faces the possibility of exorbitant costs for an individual plan...'

The 'Free Market' wants him to DIE !!!









From Huff Post:

'... DOOMED?

McCain Economist: GOP Will Lose Without Alternative Health Care Bill

The McCain campaign's senior economist said on Monday that the Republican Party will lose the health care debate unless it presents one, comprehensive alternative plan to compare with Democratic-led effort.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was the main spokesperson on health care matters for the Arizona Republican during the 2008 presidential election, applauded individual Republicans for putting forth "good policies" that would promote individual markets for coverage. He even noted that there is a political benefit to simply opposing Democratic legislation.

But, he added, "I do think that it is beneficial for Republicans as a whole to have a consensus alternative... Collectively we lose if we don't provide an alternative."

Holtz-Eakin's comments came during a telephone briefing with reporters on Monday, just one day after House Minority Leader John Boehner pledged that the Republican Party would produce an actual piece of legislation that would be scored by the Congressional Budget Office.

"I'm glad to see this happening and I'm looking forward to the particulars when they come out," said Holtz-Eakin, who noted that he had discussed reform with Republicans in both the House and the Senate.

It has been more than 135 days since House Republicans had promised to provide a health care alternative.

The one-time McCain economist was thrust back into the throes of the health care debate earlier on Monday morning after the Washington Post published a piece revealing that he himself is running out of extensions on his employer-based health insurance and, because of a pre-existing condition, faces the possibility of exorbitant costs for an individual plan.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/mccain-economist-gop-will_n_342324.html

*sigh*...if only the Republicans in Congress would present an alternative bill for Health Care Reform...

...like they promised they would!

Trouble in Washington DC this Thursday.


Obie will sit back and watch it happen and then say it didn't happen ... as usual.

*sigh*...if only the Republicans in Congress would present an alternative bill for Health Care Reform...
...like they promised they would!
Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:24 PM)

Yeah, Pete, and as my good friend always says: "LOOK AMERICA!! ELVIS!!

I bet the Demcrats are anxious for the Republicans to put out a health care plan. They have got to be getting tired of being pounded by everyone everyday for the joke of a plan they have come up with. Having something they can be critical of would be a god-send. The Republicans are right to let the Democrats twist in the wind and wait the Democrats out.

...like they promised they would!
Pete - Albany, NY


Democrats promised to produce a bill too, but instead we got 1990 pages of blabbering about something or other. And you recall Obama and the Democrats keep telling us that "We Won". Okay then, so then govern.

Burris - a shining example of the nitwits in the Democratic party.

On the Public Option Senator Buress has the best plan see he know's why it should be done see at least unlike most of the Congress a outsider can see better from experience of people who are not rich his attitude need to show up more in Congress now let the real games begin he came in the back door but he is in and has no reaso to be quite teach you'll to play games and repect him while you are at it.

On the Public Option Senator Buress has the best plan see he know's why it should be done see at least unlike most of the Congress a outsider can see better from experience of people who are not rich his attitude need to show up more in Congress now let the real games begin he came in the back door but he is in and has no reaso to be quite teach you'll to play games and repect him while you are at it.

They can't even manage the distribution of a flu vaccine.

False Promises (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 12:54 PM)
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Well... NOT when we have 'assistance' like this from the righties…. lol lol lol

Ol’ Joe is up to his dirty tricks again… lol lol lol

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/joe-wilson-says-obama-has-put-the-lives-of-americans-at-risk-due-to-h1n1-vaccine-shortage.php

So... you were saying???

'Don;t Let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good'
GET IT DONE (and DON'T be a Prima Donna
MSierra, SF (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:05 PM)

Can't do that!! DODT was supposed to be "a beginning" - something to grow on and change later!! Yeah, sure!! Sorry, you get it right the first time period!! Nearly 17 years later, we're still talking about DODT and Obama, though promised to eliminate it, which should have come early in his term, like the first 100 days, has not repealed it as yet!!

I refuse to support any type of HCR without a public option period; this is our time; if we fail now, we will truly lose any chance in the future!!

Apparently Burris is a thorn but not Lieberman...
Adam, Washington DC (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:05 PM)

As I stated, Burris is a thorn and obviously bought his way to the Senate!! You see, the difference between democrats and repubs is that the democrats have, and do, call out their own!!

Burris is right on this one folks, if there is no government ran not for profit "public option" that any citizen can join then all you have is a legal mandate to hand over your money to the for profit insurance industry that will continue to rape the American citizen un-deturred, no bill is better than that one.

Lower costs? How? Tax the rich and have SOMEONE ELSE pay your medical bills

Big Al in Chicago- Vote early and vote often! (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 12:50 PM)


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1.2 trillion in tax cuts for the rich put on the national credit card

3.6 trillion in corporate handouts incurred during the reagan era put on the national credit card

billions upon billions handed out in no bid contracts in Iraq put on the national credit card.

Tell you what, we'll pay for our own healthcare through getting our 25% of taxes back each month going toward interest on the national debt.

And we'll let the top 2% pay for all the bills they incurred on our nation.

It's a win win!!

Yo, Rolan'-  You BE da man, Bro.

Georgie shrubster (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:15 PM)

You  see, the right refused to get rid of those eight track players and buy an I-Pod!! Everything was Bill Clinton's fault, unless they could throw Jimmy Carter in their every now and then!!

Polly wanna talking point?  It's all Bill Clinton's fault!!

The repubs are still blaming Bill Clinton for everything - it won't ever stop with these nut jobs!!

Don't you know, it was Bill Clinton that convinced Adam to take the apple from Eve, after all - LOL!!

Don't buy the hype. Obama is the token poster boy for the DNC and the Chicago political machine. That's why HE can't make a decision now. People are waiting to pull his strings. You don't get that feeling with a true leader. Don't get me wrong, he's got some good qualities but he's being controlled like NO other president has been before.
Marcus D., Chicago (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 11:54 AM)

You mean George W. Bush; you see, he was selected by the far right wing nuts of the Republican Party in 2000; him being as stupid as he is, and with the name recognition, was a perfect choke for the nut jobs in 2000!!

Being a nut case himself, made it all the better for the repubs!!

You didn't figure out long ago Cheney and his ilk begged Georgie to run because he had the perfect resume?? Stupid, wing nut, name recognition!! And little Georgie went along with it all, of course, because his IQ hovers around 90!!  His Daddy should have pulled him aside and said, "Son, I allowed you to destroy a baseball team that was given to you; I allowed you to destroy every business you owned, but I'll have to draw the line at getting you into the White House!!"

PLEASE!!

Blue line post are as credible as wikipedia and we know how that's going now don't we.
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Ohhhh…that’s right…. Wickepedia is ONLY a credible source on the rare occasion the right wing whack jobs ATTEMPT to back up their BS with some kind of ‘source’!

Thanks for clearing that up!   lol lol lol

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Weak response and as it appears you've done a nose dive incoherent as usual. Your only source of reasoning appears to be blaming the right.

Weak, seriously weak. Show some "backbone of steel". Don't wimp out Red. Typical lib cop out.

This really ins't news. He's doing this to hold his seat after it was attained through questionable means. He'll "cave" once the Dems unify around a (most likely weakened) public option.

And little Georgie went along with it all, of course, because his IQ hovers around 90!!  

Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:45 PM)
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I think you're being 'polite' on that one... lol lol lol

I've bought vegetables in the produce section that were 'crisper' than little Georgie!!

Otherwise I agee on everything else 110%!!

*sigh*...if only the Republicans in Congress would present an alternative bill for Health Care Reform...

...like they promised they would!

I have cited 2 but there are others floating around

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2520

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:24 PM)


Okay, it took me a whole 1 second on Google. There are other "proposals" from the republicans and a bi-partisan bill out there too...Wyden-Bennett

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:S334:


H.R. 2520:
111th Congress

This is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

Bill numbers restart from 1 every two years. Each two-year cycle is called a session of Congress. This bill was created in the 111th Congress, in 2009-2010.

The titles of bills are written by the bill's sponsor and are a part of the legislation itself. GovTrack does not editorialize bill summaries.
2009-2010

Patients' Choice Act
This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Sep 18, 2009 8:50PM]
Last Action:
May 20, 2009: Referred to House Ways and Means
Other Titles:

-- Independent Health Record Trust Act of 2009


"The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee."
The republicans used the same tactics when they were in the majority and controlled the committee chairs.

I would suggest "schoolhouse rock"'s "I'm a bill on capitol hill" video for clarification of how the process works...

Thoughtful but unique way of defending the previous administration and GOP Congress was the post reminding us how much Bush accomplished while he was in the White House despite narrow majorities in Congress.  One important aspect of that analysis is missing.  Much of what Bush accomplished was after 9/11 when the people and country were fearful; politicians even those in the republican party voted for policies they would never have supported had 9/11 not happened.  9/11 and fear of more terrorist attacks made reasonable Congressional members support a war in Iraq they never would have otherwise; support a Patriot Act that jeopardized our constitutional rights, supported torture, eliminating habias corpus, etc.  Bush and the GOP passed several pieces of legislation using "reconciliation", you know, that horrible method of ramming things through Congress without 60 votes.  Yes, Bush accomplished a lot, some good things, but his legacy is the incompetence that left the mess we have today.

Reading the posts about NY23.  I've given my opinion about the strangeness of it and what it means for the GOP.  But it is ironic that national politics is discussing a district most of us have never heard of, could not previously locate on a map, nor do we understand the district.  Appreciate the insight some upstate NYorkers and Mainers are providing.  I can't vote there but if I could, I would be upset that after choosing Dede S in the primary, some outsiders come in and decide that she isn't conservative enough; let alone the fact that Hoffman doesn't even live in the district nor could he answer questions about it.  

Reminds me of the outsiders from various groups firing up the rhetortic on gay marriage in California; they've now moved and focused on Maine.  The people living in those states and districts should decide without the outside lobbying groups sticking their fingers in the pie.  Hope the voters in Maine say no to overturning the previous ruling.

Enjoying the right wing posts trying their best to  diminish Pres Obama's election last year by saying McCain wasn't conservative enough, and most worthy of a LOL, the one claiming it was Bush's fault?  In other words, in that twisted GOP logic, someone slipped up and admitted that Bush and the GOP made such a gigantic mess, McCain didn't stand a chance regardless of whether he was a real conservative or not.

[1.2 trillion in tax cuts for the rich put on the national credit card ]

Of course the "rich" are people earning a living. And federal/state/local tax revenues went up with the  lower tax rate. But the liberals don't want to talk about that fact.

[3.6 trillion in corporate handouts incurred during the reagan era put on the national credit card ]

So we're back to Reagan again. Live in the past much? It's been 21 years, it's really time you let it go.

[billions upon billions handed out in no bid contracts in Iraq put on the national credit card.]

Trillions and trillions handed out to people that didn't work for the last 40 years. Poverty level 40 years ago: 15%. Poverty level today: 15%. Liberals would call that progress.

[Tell you what, we'll pay for our own healthcare through getting our 25% of taxes back each month going toward interest on the national debt. And we'll let the top 2% pay for all the bills they incurred on our nation. ]

The top 2% pay about 35% of the taxes for the country. What do you propose they pay?

[It's a win win!! ]
Karma is going to bite you (alter ego #1)


For lazy butt slackers it is.

I've bought vegetables in the produce section that were 'crisper' than little Georgie!!
Otherwise I agee on everything else 110%!!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:52 PM)

LOL, Feisty!! I did say "hovers" - too funny friend!!

...like they promised they would!
Pete - Albany, NY


Democrats promised to produce a bill too, but instead we got 1990 pages of blabbering about something or other. And you recall Obama and the Democrats keep telling us that "We Won". Okay then, so then govern.
Tony Ainger, Indiana (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:29 PM)

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So you admit, then, that Roy Blunt is a hypocrite and that the GOP has no interest in doing anything more than sitting in a corner sulking?

"NO" is not a policy.

Your only source of reasoning appears to be blaming the right

Riggins Walton, MD (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:47 PM)
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Not at all... just pointing out that the 'right' DEMANDS facts & back up... (even though they NEVER provide any) and then when confronted with some... they STILL bitch!

There's no winning with that bunch of whiners!  lol lol lol

Lieberman is still mad at what happened with Ned Lamont in his state...the reason he went Independent.  

The Robust Public Option is dead in the Senate.  
I truly don't think Healthcare is going to have a public option in it, unless it's what they are calling "The Trigger", and because it sounds like a gun....it may even win over a few Republicans.

McCain didn't stand a chance regardless of whether he was a real conservative or not.
Jody, Iowa (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:54 PM)

Excellent post, Jody; and you're right, if they could have resurrected "Saint Ronald Reagan" they would have lost in 2008!! Their light bulbs aren't that bright!!

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 1:58 PM)

Oh, they are far more dangerous, Pete!! After the hate-filled protests orchestrated by the GOP, and broadcasted by Fox News in August, the GOP demonstrated they are far from standing in a corner pouting!!

This group is probably the most dangerous I've witnessed in my lifetime!! I thought they did a number on Bill Clinton, accusing him of murder and other asinine things, which Ken Starr has recently admitted that he "punked the media," but this group in Congress has resorted to antics of the 60's, and is playing on the hate that existed in the 60's!! They're using all the same talking points!! Death panels and all!!

Like I said, they've got their eight-tracks playing to the same music!!

Burris is one of my Senators and for once one of them may be serious about voting the way he promised me he would.

So you admit, then, that Roy Blunt is a hypocrite and that the GOP has no interest in doing anything more than sitting in a corner sulking?

"NO" is not a policy.
Pete - Albany, NY

Neither is a government takeover of the health care system. That's not a policy, that's a theft.

And why do you, or any other Democrat/liberal, care what the Republicans think? Other then to use as a distraction and for you to have something to whine about because the Democrat plan is DOA.

even though they NEVER provide any) and then when confronted with some... they STILL bitch!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 2:01 PM)

You got that right!! I've noticed they "cut and run" a lot, too!! Hit 'em with some facts and they run faster than Marion Jones on steroids!!

If they do stay, it's either the "Stuck on Stupid - all Bill Clinton's Fault Defense" or they resort to name-calling!!

They refuse to accept that Bush allowed banks to loan hundreds of thousands of dollars to people to buy homes that were unemployed!! They refuse to see that under Bush's watch, the housing market crashed as a direct result of Bush's antics; they whine about the stimulus bill, yet not a peep on Bush's bailing out AIG!! It is amazing how dumb these people are; they are truly the poster boys for the audience Fox News plays to!!

SHEESH!!

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