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WH congratulates Karzai, wants reforms

Posted: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:58 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Athena Jones
President Obama called Afghan President Hamid Karzai to congratulate him on being named the winner of that country's election, and urged him to work to improve governance and end corruption there.

Karzai was named the victor when his opponent, Abdullah Abdullah, dropped out of a runoff election scheduled for Nov. 7. The second round was called after allegations of fraud -- backed up by international monitors -- marred the August vote. But Abdullah argued that not enough protections had been put in place to avoid a repeat of the earlier problems.


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President Hamid Karzai won a second term after the Afghan election commission canceled the scheduled runoff race. How will this affect President Obama's decision on troop deployment to the region?

Administration officials have consistently contended the United States must have a credible, legitimate partner heading the government in Afghanistan in order to accomplish America's chief national security goals of denying Al Qaeda a safe haven in the country and preventing the Taliban from taking over there.

Obama's remarks echoed those of White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, who told reporters earlier in the day that Karzai was the country's legitimate leader, but stopped short of calling him a credible partner. The president said Afghanistan's electoral was "messy," but that the final outcome was in line with Afghanistan's constitution.

"I did emphasize to President Karzai that the American people and the international community as a whole want to continue to partner with him and his government in achieving prosperity and security in Afghanistan," Obama said. "But I emphasized this has to be a point in time in which we begin to write a new chapter based on improved governance, a much more serious effort to eradicate corruption, joint efforts to accelerate the training of Afghan security forces so that the Afghan people can provide for their own security."

Karzai's government has faced widespread charges of corruption, and his brother has been accused of involvement in the country's lucrative drug trade, which helps fund insurgents.

The war in Afghanistan has grown increasingly unpopular in America as casualties rise and former officials from the region question the U.S. mission there. Some argue the mere presence of foreign troops in the country -- and the U.S. backing of a government seen as ineffective and illegitimate -- is what is fueling the insurgency.

Obama said he had called on Karzai to "move boldly and forcefully" to initiate reforms.

"That has to be one of our highest priorities," the president said. "[Karzai] assured me that he understood the importance of this moment. But as I indicated to him, the proof is not going to be in words; it's gonna be in deeds. And we are looking forward to consulting closely with his government in the weeks and months to come to ensure that the Afghan people are actually seeing progress on ground."

The president and his national security team continue their deliberations about whether to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan. The White House has said that a decision on strategy is still "weeks away" -- a phrase they have been using repeatedly for at least a month. Some Republican critics say Obama is dragging his feet.

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Well, now that President Obama's made that important phone call, he can bring our troops home!!

NOW!!
"But as I indicated to him, the proof is not going to be in words; it's gonna be in deeds."

Good advice to take mr president...and I hope you didn't really say., "gonna". You look foolish when you try to be "street", or invoke the mythical "cousin pookie" to connect with us non Ivy folk...


Karzai is going to take us on Mr. Toad's wild ride...
Now that you mention Gibbs, very poor choice!!
What can you say about this mess. At least Bush had reasonable elections in Iraq and Afghanistan when he was prez. Then Obama hitches his wagon on what he's going to do in Afghanistan on whether the next election, the one that was scheduled this week, goes off better, and now it's canceled. So which is it Obama? Is Karzai the real leader or not? You seem confused about these things, what with you whining about Afghanistan today, and Iran over the summer.
I several weeks away from saying that I'll be several weeks away from making a decision.
[Obama said he had called on Karzai to "move boldly and forcefully" to initiate reforms.]

To which Karzai responded "You first dude".
Hamid Karzai - President of the biggest kitty litter pan in the world.
First Read -- Gibbs: "The president said Afghanistan's electoral was "messy," but that the final outcome was in line with Afghanistan's constitution."

To which Karzai responded, "Really? So what about New Jersey?"
"Some Republican critics say Obama is dragging his feet."...

...as do some democrats, liberals and conservatives...why the need to polarize everything?
Does this speed up the Obama decision?

Nope, thought not. Next excuse please.

How can I make this thing drag out until the 2010 election is over? What to do? What to do?

Barack, sending more soliders might help you deliver on the more jobs you promised? What say now?
Oh goody goody...another US backed unpopular preident propped up at the end of a US soldiers gun...we've tried this over and over the past 60 years and it has never worked...unless someone is prepared to say Iraq under hussein or Iran under the shah turned out to be winners for us? Thought not.
NEW YORK - "Hopes for the fledgling U.S. economic recovery got a boost Monday from better-than-expected news on manufacturing, construction and contracts to buy homes.

The surprisingly strong readings provided some comfort that the U.S. economy is packing more momentum than assumed going into the end of the year. Still, with jobs scarce, lending tight and consumers wary of spending, it's unclear whether the gains can be sustained as government stimulus programs wind down.

The Institute for Supply Management's gauge of manufacturing activity grew in October at the fastest pace in more than three years. It was driven by businesses' replenishing of stockpiles, higher demand for American exports and support from the government's $787 billion stimulus program."

Now what were those pesky neo cons saying about the stimulus not working?!?!

"....the Afghan election commission canceled the scheduled runoff race. How will this affect President Obama's decision on troop deployment to the region?"
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It will cause Obama to do what should have been done in the very first place;
Round up Dick Cheney, and 40 to 60 thousand more like him, (and Liz, too, of course) and send 'em on over to get this mess settled once and for all.
A cinch, kids.
Rotten Fruit (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:18 PM)

Rotten Fruit or Sour Grapes!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, you nut jobs crack me up; I figured out long ago when a nut job obsesses on something as you have, then disguises him/herself by changing bogus names, I've gotten to them!!

I did my job; thank you!!
Reform(s)

A word I am sick of.
The Institute for Supply Management's gauge of manufacturing activity grew in October at the fastest pace in more than three years. It was driven by businesses' replenishing of stockpiles, higher demand for American exports and support from the government's $787 billion stimulus program."

Now what were those pesky neo cons saying about the stimulus not working?!?!


Pam, San Pedro, California

Housing defaults on mortgages were at their highest level ever for the last 3 months. Unemployment has probably exceeded 10% by now too.

Also, that $787B has to be paid back, with interest.

You were saying?
Now what were those pesky neo cons saying about the stimulus not working?!?!


Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:33 PM)

Well, now, there you go again, Pam.  Trying to stir up Bill, Fairfax, and all his like-minded pals.
God forbid we'd actually have good news being reported these days.
It will cause Obama to do what should have been done in the very first place;
Round up Dick Cheney, and 40 to 60 thousand more like him, (and Liz, too, of course) and send 'em on over to get this mess settled once and for all.
A cinch, kids.
Buzz


You heading over too? Sounds like you voted for Obama, and one of Obama's major campaign prmisies was that he'd "Fight the necessary war!", the one in Afghanistan. So saddle up cowboy! We'll let you lead the charge!
What is Obie doing with his decision on what to do in Afghanistan? Is it best 4 out of 7 for his Magic 8-Ball?
A cinch, kids.
Buzz (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:40 PM)

Sending the Cheney's is a very appealing idea!! But our troops need to come home - the Cheney's?  They can stay forever!!
Reform(s)

A word I am sick of.
Louisiana CoCo (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:45 PM)

Bawwwwk!
I'm CoCo for Cooo Cooo Puffs!!
Reform(s)

A word I am sick of.
Louisiana CoCo

Why do reforms always cost the taxpayer more money?
What can you say about this mess. At least Bush had reasonable elections in Iraq and Afghanistan when he was prez. Then Obama hitches his wagon on what he's going to do in Afghanistan on whether the next election, the one that was scheduled this week, goes off better, and now it's canceled. So which is it Obama? Is Karzai the real leader or not? You seem confused about these things, what with you whining about Afghanistan today, and Iran over the summer.
Make Up Your Mind Obie (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:10 PM)

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Bush had reasonable elections in Afghanistan when he was prez?  He was the jackass who signed off on Karzai in the first place...and has since committed fraud in the Afghanistan election.

Keep this in mind next time you feel like complaining about Karzai as corrupt.
Any one heard from Dick in Washington today?  Isn't it about time he chimes in with an insult or two???
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 3:13 PM)

Maybe he pacemaker blew out!!
Time to fight your own wars liberals! Ya'all need to get a haircut. Then learn what end of a gun to hold. After that, you're good to go!
It will cause Obama to do what should have been done in the very first place;
Round up Dick Cheney, and 40 to 60 thousand more like him, (and Liz, too, of course) and send 'em on over to get this mess settled once and for all.
A cinch, kids.
Buzz (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:40 PM)

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40 or 60 thousand Dick Cheney's?!

Isn't one bad enough?
RepubliKlans who abandoned George W the Stupid and Dick the Coward like rats off a sinking ship...  Republiklanners..... can't get rid of the stench of corruption,    
DianeR PCFL

Bev in Chicago?  This has got to be you girl.
People that think the free money government handouts are the way to go are living proof of the consequences.

Marcus D., Chicago (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 3:39 PM)
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Marcus D
I said someone like you would see it that way because you are polluted.

Why? Because I chose to use the talents God gave me and go out and make it on my own for me and my family and not sit and wait for Uncle Sugar to deliver me home?

You're not worth the explanation girl. Grow up and get off the Chuck wagon.
Oh, you nut jobs crack me up; I figured out long ago when a nut job obsesses on something as you have, then disguises him/herself by changing bogus names, I've gotten to them!!  
Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:42 PM)  

And the obsession is what? that you can't stand facts?
Or that you are an Obama droolaholic.
But as I indicated to him, the proof is not going to be in words; it's gonna be in deeds."

Good advice to take mr president...and I hope you didn't really say., "gonna". You look foolish when you try to be "street", or invoke the mythical "cousin pookie" to connect with us non Ivy folk...


Karzai is going to take us on Mr. Toad's wild ride...
Bing Censored? (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:09 PM)

Oh, Mr. Bush you were so glib and easy to understand. They wrote books of Bushisms so we can all gain from your wisdom.

Reform(s)

A word I am sick of.
Louisiana CoCo (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:45 PM)

Conservatives hate anything that has to do with progress or reform. They aren't much for status quo either but will tollerate it if they have to. Instead they prefer the stone age. The farther back they take things the better. So your comment is appropriate. Thanks for sharing.
Many of you forget .....

the Decider picked Mo Karzai to be 'leader' of Afghanistan

Bush seemed to give Karzia a pass on his dope dealing brother

Bush gave Karzai a pass on competence
Bush gave Karzai a 'pass' on honesty and integrity

You did a 'heckuva job' Bushie !!
...as do some democrats, liberals and conservatives...why the need to polarize everything?
Bing Censored? (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:15 PM)

I've got to agree with you on this one!! DODT, both wars, HCR, Gitmo, etc. etc.!!

He needs to move it, fast!! This liberal is sick and tired of him dragging his feet!!
Keep this in mind next time you feel like complaining about Karzai as corrupt.
Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:52 PM)

Rock on, Pete!! And don't forget about the Palestinian elections; the WH, including Dumbya, Rice, Cheney and the rest of the thugs demanded democracy and when they were shocked when Hamas won!! I saw that coming; but they never saw anything coming, now did they!!
And the obsession is what? that you can't stand facts?
Or that you are an Obama droolaholic.
Sarah Palin wanabe (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:19 PM)

LOL!! If you read my posts, you'll see I am disgusted with Obama dragging his feet on the wars, Gitmo, HCR, DODT and a host of other things!!

But I won't allow you nut jobs to get away with your BS either!! You never have facts; you wouldn't know what a fact is if it hit you in the face!!

Do pay attention now!!
Isn't one bad enough?
Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:00 PM)

Not if they're all in Afghanistan!! After all, now!!
Maybe he pacemaker blew out!!
Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:53 PM)
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Valid point… but then again you’re insinuating he has a ‘heart’… lol lol lol

What is it with guys named Dick and pacemakers??    
MSierra

Damn, man .... give it a rest!
Obama sent 21,000 troops to Afghanistan.  I supported that at the time and I support his war now.
Richard, Washington State (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:18 PM)

You fail to mention those were troops scheduled to be sent by the Administration of President Dumbya!!

It's his war if he sends one more troop now; I agree a thousand percent; however, those troops in February were scheduled long before buddy!!

Nice try though!!
So, when do we start the draft? Everlasting war calls for that, oh and some larger taxes too.
Also, that $787B has to be paid back, with interest.
You were saying?
Blink Ross, CA (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:46 PM)

I was SAYING the stimulus is working!! Now what about that money Dumbya gave to AIG?!?! Hmmm!! What about the deficit Dumbya created by starting a war with Iraq, a country that did nothing to us and had absolutely zilch to do with 9/11?!?!

“I find it amazing that the Republicans, who doubled the debt of the country in eight years and produced no new jobs doing it, gave us an economic record that was totally bereft of any productive result, are now criticising Obama for spending money"

"The Republican regime's economic record is 'totally bereft' of any productive result."

The stimulus package put money in the hands of the people who need money to survive, but also gives it to state and local governments so they don't have to lay a million people off or raise taxes and finally it creates new jobs."

You were saying?
Now FRR, try it sometime...A post on the issues!

ckaster, biloxi, ms (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:12 PM)
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Pam,

One, get off your hate of Pres Bush.  he is only disgraced in you crazed liberals view.  I look at him as someone who was strong in his beliefs and tried the best he could to follow through on them,especially in difficult times (9/11 was a terrible time for our Country as a whole and still has lasting effects now).
 
ckaster, biloxi, ms (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:26 PM)

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Ahem... and you were just whining about staying 'on topic'!

That didn't take long at all... a little over an hour before your blatent hypocrisy is showing... AGAIN!  lol lol lol

Not to worry though... we've come to expect nothing LESS!


What is it with guys named Dick and pacemakers??    

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:35 PM)

LOLOLOLOL!!
barbara j. nuss (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:46 PM)

I think bringing back the draft would be a fine idea; those repubs don't want their kids going, only others' children!!

Mr. "I protected Alabama during Viet Nam Dubya" and all!!

If the draft were brought back, the repubs would be demanding ALL troops brought home immediately!!

Chicken hawks!!
Not to worry though... we've come to expect nothing LESS!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:59 PM)

Thanks, Feisty; and anyone that thinks Bush did right by us after 9/11 is NUTS!! Seriously, what rock did they just crawl out from under?  Eight-year coma?  

They never cease to amaze me!!
Pam,

One, get off your hate of Pres Bush.  he is only disgraced in you crazed liberals view.  I look at him as someone who was strong in his beliefs and tried the best he could to follow through on them,especially in difficult times (9/11 was a terrible time for our Country as a whole and still has lasting effects now).
 
ckaster, biloxi, ms (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:26 PM)

LOL, Ckaster!! You and about 12% of Americans!! Get a clue and wise up!! You're on the wrong side, as usual!!

The landslide we saw in 2008 was a direct referendum on Bush's failed policies!!

WAKE UP NOW!! Your eight-year nap is over!!
God forbid we'd actually have good news being reported these days.
Drive-By Observer (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 4:47 PM)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Not Bill from Fairfax; I'm sorry!! But it is good news!!
And the Nobel Peace Prize is/has been losing a lot of luster lately.  When the committee has to justify, to a lot of peoples amazement, it's latest to Obama.  And recent ones to Arafat, etc...maybe he can use it in his bathroom but proudly on his mantle i'm not so sure about.
ckaster, biloxi, ms (Sent Monday, November 02, 2009 5:26 PM)

And I see you have tons of facts to back up your claim, NOT!! No surprise though!!

And Bush disgraced his Party; NO ONE wanted him to campaign for him in 2008; NOT A ONE!!

LOL!! And Jeb is toast, finished, done, because of his brother, Dumbya!!

Even Papa Bush knows that; it's why he was crying a couple of years back on stage!! Poor Papa Bush; he really should have had a little talk with Dumbya before he allowed him to get railroaded by Cheney and his ilk based on his stupidity and name recognition in 2000!! But Papa Bush wasn't the sharpest pencil in the box, either!! I wonder how proud Kissinger is of his Nobel Peace Prize?!?! I wonder what he thinks of it, especially if when he visists The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial?!?!
MSNBC WILL REMAIN LAST IN CABLE NEWS BECAUSE IT NEVER HAS NEWS ON WEEKENDS AND RUNS THIS HORRIBLE BLOG.
You are missing the point on the NY 23rd special election. This district is composed of mostly narrow minded right wingers, and has been for many decades...actually since the civil war. I expect a conservative to be popular here, even though there is a large growing population of progressives who want to see change.
First Read, it is absolutely a disgrace to put up threads and refuse to post comments.  Why?  You're cable network is last in ratings because you neglect to report any news on weekends and have no respect for your audience here.  You will be off air soon, and it's your own fault.


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