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First thoughts: The race to 218

Posted: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:12 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** The race to 218 -- or more: Tomorrow night, the House is expected to vote on the Democrats' health care bill. And from now until then, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's goal -- as well as President Obama’s -- will be this: getting at least 218 votes. The next 48 hours are going to be wild, but considering the country’s focus on the tragedy to Ft. Hood, the battle will take place mostly behind the scenes and out of the media spotlight. President Obama heads to Capitol Hill tomorrow to convince on-the-fence lawmakers. Democrats currently have 258 members, and since we’re expecting zero GOP votes, that means Democrats can lose 40 members. Yet there are Dems concerned about the public option, abortion, and immigration (Congressional Hispanic Caucus members say they will vote against the measure if it prohibits illegal immigrants from being able to purchase insurance in the exchange). While we expect the House to pass the bill, it’s important to note that Pelosi has pointedly NOT said she has the votes. Why? Because she doesn’t have the votes yet. Everything we hear is that Dems have about a little more than 200 votes. Also, the goal isn’t really 218 -- but rather 225, so that there isn't one vote that decides this. You can just picture the TV ads if the bill passes by one vote, right?

*** How Saturday will go: House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer explained yesterday on the House floor how Saturday will go, according to NBC’s Luke Russert. "My expectation is that on Saturday we will convene at 9:00 am in the morning. After one-minutes, we will then go to the rule on the health-care bill, and it is my expectation that we will have consideration of the healthcare bill and the Republican substitute. If we proceed a pace and come to vote and disposition on that piece of legislation, we would then adjourn at whatever hour we complete our work and the adjournment would be till the 16th of November.” Hoyer later added, “Again I want to clarify and make sure everybody understands it is our intent to finish the healthcare bill, sometime Saturday night or early Sunday morning, it would be my expectation that there would be no further business till the 16th."

*** Passing the 10% mark: Well, the White House knew it was coming, and now it’s here: The unemployment rate has topped 10% -- the first time since 1983. Per the AP, “The Labor Department says the economy shed a net total of 190,000 jobs in October, less than the downwardly revised 219,000 lost in September.” But the unemployment rate increased, from 9.8% in Sept. to 10.2% in Oct. It only took about five minutes for Republicans to pounce on the numbers.

*** Brooks vs. Krugman: Interestingly (but not necessarily surprisingly), David Brooks and Paul Krugman offer the White House contradictory advice. Brooks says that Obama needs to play to the middle. “[T]hese voters are not turning to government for support. Trust in government is at its lowest level in recent memory. Over the past year, there has been a shift to the right on issue after issue. According to Gallup, the percentage of Americans who believe that there is too much government regulation rose from 38 percent in 2008 to 45 percent in 2009. The percentage of Americans who want unions to have less influence rose from 32 percent to a record 42 percent.” On the other hand, Krugman argues the White House hasn’t been aggressive enough. “President Obama came into office with a strong mandate and proclaimed the need to take bold action on the economy. His actual actions, however, were cautious rather than bold. They were enough to pull the economy back from the brink, but not enough to bring unemployment down.” 

*** Stepping on the NY-23 narrative: Turning to Tuesday’s elections, Republicans have had two very good stories to talk about (New Jersey and Virginia) and one they really don’t want to discuss (NY-23). So what did some of their leaders do yesterday? They stepped right on the NY-23 narrative. First was the thousands-strong Tea Party rally/protest/press conference on Capitol Hill -- attended by GOP congressional leaders -- which only furthered the perception (true or not) that the GOP has become captive to its conservative base. Next came RNC Chairman Michael Steele’s apparent warning shot to moderate Republicans who supported the stimulus or health care. “We’ll come after you,” he relayed to ABC. (An RNC spokeswoman told First Read that Steele was referring only to House members, and not a single House Republican voted for the stimulus, and not a single one is expected to back health reform.)

*** Da Club targets Crist: Further stepping on the NY-23 narrative, the Club for Growth is running its first TV ad targeting Charlie Crist. The spot ties the Florida governor to Obama. By the way, a Crist-vs.-Rubio contest all seems to hinge on whether Rubio is the real deal. Somehow, Crist has to make Rubio seem either unelectable or someone who isn't ready. That's not a good place for Crist to be, because he suddenly doesn't have complete control of his destiny. He may have to win in the worst way and then that could make him vulnerable in a general, though many Republicans are extremely confident that Dem nominee-in-waiting Kendrick Meek is beatable by either Republican. The bar for Rubio as a candidate is lower than Crist's. It's going to be a LONG none months between now and the primary for Charlie Crist. 

*** Others say David Paterson has been an awesome governor: Well, it doesn’t look like very vulnerable Gov. David Paterson (D) is going to bow out of his race anytime soon. Yesterday, his campaign released two TV ads that will begin airing statewide today. The first takes aim at some of his critics. “Some say I shouldn’t be running for governor,” Paterson says to the camera, singling out state legislators, union leaders, and corporations (but he leaves out the Obama White House, which doesn’t want him running, either). The other ad is a biographical spot. New York’s CBS affiliate also notes that Paterson has hired Harold Ickes for his campaign.

*** Things you might not have known about the VA contest: As it turns out, Creigh Deeds (D) lost the female vote to McDonnell (R), 46%-54%, despite making women’s issues a central part of his campaign; in fact, he was the first statewide Democrat to lose the VA female vote since 2000… Deeds also narrowly lost Fairfax County in Northern Virginia, 49%-51%; by comparison, Obama won it last year, 60%-39% and Tim Kaine won it in 2005, 60%-38%... In addition, Deeds underperformed Kaine in Loudon County and Virginia Beach (which, of course, happens when you lose a race by 18 percentage points)… And turnout was about 1.9 million -- which was equal to the ’05 gubernatorial race, but down from 2006 (2.4 million) and 2008 (3.7 million).

*** Things you might not have known about the NJ contest: Sorry, Bruce, this one’s gotta hurt: If one of us were still working for Asbury Park Press, the daily paper of the Jersey Shore, and home to Springsteen, our headline might be something like this -- “Shore propels Christie to victory.” That’s because Monmouth and Ocean counties, the two counties that make up the Press’ readership, were Christie’s top two vote-getting counties and saw the biggest increases in total vote for the Republican from ’05 to ’09 (+27,000 in Monmouth and +30,000 in Ocean). And the combined vote margin that Christie won by in the two counties over Corzine -- 134,367 -- accounted “for more than his margin of victory,” as the Press wrote yesterday… Corzine also got fewer votes in EVERY single county in the state than he did in ’05, and Christie got MORE votes out of every county than Doug Forrester ’05… Basically, when you look at the entire state, Corzine got destroyed in the suburbs, and although he held margins in traditionally Democratic Counties around New York City and Philadelphia, he got fewer votes out of them. Even though overall turnout was about the same as 2005, it was down in Democratic ones and up in Republican ones.   

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Comments

I want to start today by saying to ALL the family members and friends of those who were either killed or wounded in the tragedy at Fort Hood that my prayers & thoughts are with you!

Since details are still rapidly unfolding… I’m going to reserve comment until additional facts & information are revealed.

As we wrap up another spectacular week here @ FR of watching the righties squirm…

I have a question to our lefty friends out in NJ & VA and that is: did the Obama campaign contact you at all to get out and canvass or phone bank on behalf of the Democratic candidates?

I ask because we’ve all heard the ‘Where was his base’ mantra and I was wondering if they reached out to mobilize like they did last year!

It’s not like we can count of the ‘journalists’ of today to do any digging into this!

Pretty pathetic that even with (2) Gubernatorial wins this week for the right… they’re still clamoring! Don’t you just LOVE all the continued ACORN attacks? lol lol lol  I’ve asked many times what it is exactly that would make them happy… to date I’ve gotten back *crickets*…  leads me to believe they either don’t know or NOTHING!

I hope the Republiklans are PROUD of the HATE PARADE they put on full display for the entire world to see yesterday! That was quite the SPECTACLE! What a bunch of sick bastards!

Grizzly Grama will be at Harpo Studios on Monday to tape the Oprah show… immediately followed by Terminex coming into fumigate all the little crazee conservative tidbits she’ll be leaving behind! This ought to be good!

To our hosts/moderators thanks for putting in the OT this week!  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… FR is THEE best place on the web for full contact political discourse (even if the competition is in dire need of some new teammates) lol lol lol

Domenico:  How’s the sleep thing going there buddy?  Will we possibly get to see more pic’s of baby Jack in the future?  You could always take down Chuck’s at the Manor and replace it with Jr’s!  lol lol lol

And finally…Shout Out to Rachel Maddow!  As I’ve stated previously quit letting Gotcha Gregory ‘pimp’ you out for ratings!  The only time MTP comes in 1st these days in when you appear on the show!  Let him EARN his own damn RATINGS!

Gotcha Gregory has GOT TO GO…
Give Larry O’ his OWN show!
Some housekeeping from yesterday;
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Popcorn?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:38 PM)

You're spot on about that!! I saw that post and loved your reply!! Richard is still obsessing about my degree in journalism; I think he's jealous!!

LOL!!
Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:43 PM)
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Keep in mind one of them is all talk (and btw claims to have supported Hillary) I think the pure raw hatred towards President Obama and unadulterated LOVE of Bible Spice is what gives her away!  I can’t believe I just included Hillary & the Ditzy Diva in the same sentence!  Talk about polar opposites! YIKES!

Typical that when they're confronted with facts... CHANGE THE SUBJECT! I swear the have the attention span of a gnat! But hey... that's how they roll... lol lol lol

Oh and we haven't heard from Jill in Tulsa for awhile...heads up... she's another phony Democrat!!

Bottom line is I'm a tree hugging bleeding heart liberal... it doesn't mean I march lock step with everything and anything the Democratic party offers up! But at the end of the day I’m still a Democrat  As you well know... that's another reason I love being a liberal... we can agree to disagree in a respectful manner!  

As for Richard he's not good for much else than dropping in to level an insult or two! He's particularly fond of trying to bully the woman around here! I'm still convinced the higher power(s) knew what they were doing by not giving him a daughter(s)!

He's fun to 'play' with but other than that...all bark & no bite!  lol lol lol

Poor Dick he's still looking for a 'redhead' he can call his own!  :0) Come on Dick it's about time to play the worn our 'rusty follicles' card again... lol lol lol

Oh and that's another thing about Dick... he's anti-laughter!

Bottom line girlfriend.. keep on kicking ass and taking numbers... lol lol I'm proud to have you on OUR side!  Pat, Boston was right... you are the best!
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Actually Clara, here in the Old Dominion we're looking forward to having a full time governor for a change, one who actually puts state business before party business.
 
Erin, Chesapeake VA (Sent Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:53 PM)
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AWESOME Erin... While you're at it PLEASE tell us how many jobs McDonnell has created?  I mean come on he's been in office for WHAT… 72 hours already!  WHERE'S THE JOBS BOB?????????????????

You don't think for a second think we're going to cut him any slack now do you?  He'll be held to the same standards as the President... Ol Bob will learn soon enough that's it's a pen not a freakin magic wand!

WHERE'S THE JOBS McDonnell?
If only the unholy trinity of Obama, Reid and Pelosi would pay more attention to the economy instead of insuring illegal aliens and publically paid for abortions, we might get somewhere.
{ 10.2% Unemployment }

So how's that Hope  and Change working out for ya?
Its clear that businesses have no confidence in Obungler and his Chicago Gang. They keep shedding jobs. wait until we smother businesses with health care "reform" and cap and trade. Great job growth expected - in China!!
Unemployment is much higher than the "Official" number, BLS show that those who no longer qualify, went back to school, just plain gave up, and those reported as discouraged when added to those on the list, he number for unemployment is well over 20%.

As a business owner I watch these numbers to help gauge the economy, but I am amazed that most economist have yet to figure out one simple thing in business.

If you have 25 employees during the normal economy, but are forced to let people go to make ends meet you can only eliminate so many jobs before you do not have enough people working to keep your business moving at all and have to close your doors. In business you look for all areas to cut expenses, heating, electric, fuel, benefits, bonuses, and even wages, before you eliminate personnel.

This is the main reason the first time numbers are dropping, it has come down to trying to weather this financial mess with the bare amount of employees or close doors, most will try to weather it, some will succeed others will fail.

I'm not buying these unemployment numbers. I waiting for President Obama to tell us all just how many jobs were "Create or Save" last month. That's the real number that is important!
Where's Anita? She go on a Rosies Cruise?
The White House is caught between Tuesday’s election results and Friday’s unemployment numbers. And also Thursday's Tea Party rally in D.C. and patriotic voter outrage the rest of the year. So Blue Dogs, Can You Hear Us Now?
Ideological Purity Is In Their DNA:

Following the defeat of candidate Hoffman in NY 23, some pundits thought the conservatives would rethink their strategy of undermining moderate Republicans. Of course, pundits are wrong about half the time.

It looks like Senator Vitter and Dick Armey are planning to become involved in elections in Florida, California, and Illinois.  Yep, run a more conservative candidate against a Republican moderate.  In Florida, they have targeted Charlie Crist; in California, they have targeted Carly Fiorina; and now in Illinois they apparently are targeting Mark Kirk.

Mark Kirk is courting Sarah to convince her that he is conservative enough not to be undercut.  This move STRENGTHENS Sarah as a GOP power broker.  I suspect Rush and Cheney have now become her mentors.

Undercutting moderates is quite illogical and will insure defeat for Republicans. So, how can Armey, Vitter, et.al. get away with doing that? The answer is quite simple.  The only remaining energy left in the Republican Party lies with Limbaugh, Beck, Fox News, Rupert Murdock, and tea baggers.

Michael Steele can not control these people, so they are free to do whatever they darn well please.  As of yesterday afternoon Steele has joined the conservatives by threatening Senators Snowe and Collins. We are seeing the beginning shots of a civil war.  

The moderate Republican candidates have no big name supports. Boehner and Cantor were literally standing on the Capital steps with conservatives like Michele Bachman…and hooligans. The “super bowl” participants looked like the party of hate.

Newt Gingrich has already been thrown under the bus by the ultra conservatives, but Newt is correct: “The more pure our conservative ideology, the smaller our base…and we will not be a party, but just a club.”

How will events unfold? Currently we are seeing internal combat (the beginnings of a civil war). Next look for defections.  Maybe Snowe or Collins, maybe senatorial candidates, more independent Americans who are repelled by the events like we saw on the Capital steps. After some serious defections, look for party restructuring.  Maybe a new party. It will likely happen in 2010.

Eagle 1776: I look forward to your thoughts.
Feisty: Your support is sincerely appreciated.
FR: Thank you for a great week and keeping the comments open, thus allowing continued dialogue
I will be away Monday and Tuesday as I do have a life beyond FR.    
Barry, Barry, Barry. Where are the jobs you promised? Remember your administration promised that if the Porkulus was passed the unemployment rate would not be above 8%. Do you remember? Of course not. Barry where is my free mortgage money? Barry were is my free tank of gas? Barry why are you so incompetent?
It really really grates on the nerves of libs when they see Conservative women gaining in power and popularity. The double standards of the so-called "women's movement" is appalling.

Go Michelle! Go Sarah!
FRIDAY HEADLINE --- UNEMPLOYMENT REACHES 10.2% IN OCTOBER.

BUT THINK ABOUT ALL THE JOBS THE OBAMA ECONOMICS HAVE SAVED ...

White House Claims 'Stimulus' Saved/Created 650,000 Jobs (but it imported 1,125,000 foreign workers at same time).
{ 10.2% Unemployment }

So how's that Hope  and Change working out for ya?
Elam Gantt, VT (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:18 AM)

Its clear that businesses have no confidence in Obungler and his Chicago Gang. They keep shedding jobs. wait until we smother businesses with health care "reform" and cap and trade. Great job growth expected - in China!!
Longhorn (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:19 AM)

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looks like someone hasn't been paying attention.
Ecomomists have all said the improvement in joblessness would be the LAST indicator the recession was turning around.
Omama himself said in the beginning that the recovery of jobs would be a long, difficult process.  He did NOT say the job losses would stop Jan. 21st.

Now, how many times are we going to have to listen to this broken record?  As many time as we have to hear "government is going to 'take over' healthcare"??
Here is the problem for the White House with the unemployment numbers:

the economy is still losing jobs every month-190,000 in October, exceeding estimates that we would lose 175,000 last month;

the labor force is still SHRINKING, albeit at a slower rate than previous months.

Economists had predicted the unemployment rate to come in at 9.9%.  The fact that it increased at three tenths of a percent higher than predicted is a very bad sign.

Before the chant begins, let me explain that these numbers are NOT indicative of unemployment as a lagging indicator.  While job cuts and labor force reduction are still a big part of the picture, it is a predictive indicator-i.e., things are still going to get a whole lot worse in the coming months.

Unemployment will be a lagging indicator when we see job GAINS for the economy, but the rate goes UP.  That will mean that many disaffected workers have rejoined the labor force.  

That is a fact.  It cannot be negated by talking points.
Ok before the republican nut job get started, the Unemployment was expected to go higher, according to the economic experts. job losses have slowed. the jobs keep being eleminated and the president can't do any thing to stop it.
back in 1983, ronald reagan did nothen to stop it, so why hold presdient Obama to a higher standard.
after the 1990 recession, bill clinton passed a 23 billion dollar stumilis, that took 2 years to get job growth back.

so chill out.
It's a good thing Obama and Pelosi are giving us free health care! We'll all be unemployed or under-employed soon ("You want fries with that?"), and we're going to need it!

But the question becomes, if we're all unemployed, just who is going to pay for our health care?
I'm really sad about the Ft. Hood shooting . . . wish there was a way to figure out folks were about to snap before they did.

God bless the U.S. Military . . . the amount of sacrifice they are asked to give is mind boggling sometimes.

Hug those you love and ask for help if you need it folks. Please.
10.2% unemployment. Will Obama "Re-Double" his efforts to create more jobs? You know, like he did last month. Seems every time Obama re-doubles anything, we get more unemployment.
***Correction she'll be there on Mon 9.16.09***

Sorry for the confusion... lol lol lol

Grizzly Grama will be at Harpo Studios on Monday to tape the Oprah show… immediately followed by Terminex coming into fumigate all the little crazee conservative tidbits she’ll be leaving behind! This ought to be good!
Erase the mistake of Biden/Obama 08!
the mistake was to belive former president bush when he told us that going in to iraq would make us safe.

you a very uneducated person that i feel sorry for, you are fulled with hatred and i just hope one day that you realise that the greatest day in america was the day we got george bush out of office and put a man in that will not run away from america problem in stead of causing them.
Jeff Evanston IL

Where to begin….your obvious hate shows through so it’s if you’re calling the kettle black well, that’s laughable and very immature.

Obama is a liar and it doesn’t matter about what, a lie is a lie. Obama is killing soldiers by worrying about his political rear end. It’s that simple. Obama is lying about why he’s delaying (70 days now) his decision. So yes, blood has shed on his lie. Is Ft Worth a pre-cursor to Obama’s poor job of leadership as the Commander of Forces and lying to the people? Why didn’t he act as COC on all the information about this man that was available?

Okay, so you feel comparing Obama to Bush makes a point. Well that’s one I agree with. In more than one way, Obama and Bush are very similar to include spending crazily like the money thrown away after Katrina. Bush and Obama are the same. You win on seeing it that way.

The mistake of Biden/Obama 08 is very real. It’s obvious to the most casual observer that McCain and Palin could do at a minimum what the winners have done, you’ll have to agree. Look at the real numbers. George Bush was elected by the American people to serve as President for 8 years. In case it slipped your view, Bush did not run.

With your spelling and use of the English language I would not go near calling someone uneducated unless you went to school with Jethro Bodine. It’s embarrassing I know. That’s a typical liberal rant by those who feel intimidated. Your lack of education has shown through in your response. Many would question how followers of the Democratic Party can be so gullible with the amount of education they claim or think they have. The irony is pure bliss.

Yes my wise and educated friend, (who can’t spell or compose a sentence) (and believes a party that has lied to it’s supporters for many years in a bait and switch scheme) you are on a level much higher than I and have demonstrated it well. Obama is Bush and Bush is Obama.

Challenge yourself to move past the belief in the party of slavery and the Klan and see what Jeff has to offer this great country. It may not be a lot but it will be your gift to us all. Don’t continue to buy the lies. If you do, you’ll go to your grave with the same anger you feel today. That’s not a great picture is it?

Expand your horizon, see beyond the world you thought it was and find how Jeff can make a difference. Lashing out at others if they don’t agree with you makes Jeff look, well, stupid. Not a glamour shot you'd be proud of.
Next came RNC Chairman Michael Steele’s apparent warning shot to moderate Republicans who supported the stimulus or health care. “We’ll come after you,” he relayed to ABC.

Further stepping on the NY-23 narrative, the Club for Growth is running its first TV ad targeting Charlie Crist.

Isn't it nice when the zoo animals eat their own. Reagan and Ford liked to call the Republican Party the party of inclusion. Boy, has that gone out the window. Moderates not welcome, minorities not welcome (especially Hispanics), gays and lesbians not welcome, etc., etc. Just a bunch of old (and young) white guys and gals and token pretenders like Steele and Jindal to put on happy faces for the media. Didn't Steele get reminded of his "place" a couple months back when he got too big for his britches with the old white guy/gal republican party. One has to wonder when Steele and Jindal are going to get tired on the nonsense.

A horrific incident occurred at Ft Wood yesterday.

But inline with rightwing Obama Derangement Sysndrome (ODS), expect President Obama to be blamed in 3...2...1....
Redhead:  McDonnell gets sworn in January.  Nice try, though.   And pretty impressive that McDonnell took the women's vote in this state by 8 points despite Deeds' lame attempts to paint him as a neanderthal.
Jeff Evanston IL: so chill out.


Should the Republicans get out their mops, you know, to clean up Obama's mess?
The real problem in the country are the businesses, both big and small, that are supposed to create the jobs. Instead of creating jobs, they are destoying jobs. To stop this trend, Obama and the Liberals in Congress need increase regulation on those businesses, make them comply with Green Energy laws, and need to increase the taxes on those businesses. And Obama should keep doing that until these businesses start hiring people again.
TIED TO OBIE

Is it really a great idea to tie yourself to Obama theses days? It didn't work in the election Tuesday.

Obie's done nothing, nada, but kick this country in the butt and he's damn proud of the damage it's caused. And so the pendulum swings right. When he speaks we question his sincerity on any subject.
The Obie files so far are pretty scary and the American people have become indifferent to his radicalism toward the U.S., less the herd of wildebeest that follow him everywhere.


Radical Prez
Palomino
Pagan Baby ... and the rest.


Stop the madness. Republicans, tea baggers and assorted independents have spent the last few moths marching on Washington and shouting down any reasonable discussions on healthcare reform because they don't want "their" tax dollars spent trying to get affordable healthcare for their fellow Americans. They and the right wing talk radioheads pushing this have been screaming night and day. All this time, they have been spending "my" tax dollars paying off terrorists and providing free healthcare to every man, woman and child in Iraq and Afghanistan without one single protest or word of disagreement. Tarnished silence. This is the kind of idiocy that is bringing down this country.
Barry, Barry, Barry. Where are the jobs you promised? Remember your administration promised that if the Porkulus was passed the unemployment rate would not be above 8%.


Now you've done it, Bennie in Pittsburgh.  Nashville will now spend the whole day telling you 'but he never said that!'
Have you noticed that we have to go back to 1983 to find unemployment numbers to be this bad? If I remember right Ronald Reagan was President and had been for nearly three years. Does this make President Reagan a bum? Not any more than it makes President Obama a bum.
"AP - November 05, 2009
Michelle Obama to Host 'Iron Chef' at the White House

Michelle Obama's vegetable garden is about to become a culinary battlefield.
The Food Network announced Wednesday that an episode of "Iron Chef America" will be taped at the White House featuring Mario Batali, Bobby Flay and Emeril Lagasse.

The three chefs, joined by White House chef Cristeta Comerford, will be welcomed by the first lady and allowed to use anything found in the garden to help create their meals.

The judges will include chef Nigella Lawson, Olympic gold medalist Natalie Coughlin, and actress Jane Seymour. The episode airs Jan. 3."

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GREAT! Then they can serve the food to the millions of unemployed who are trying to put food on their tables. Way to go Michelle!
Speaking of Dick CHeney 'blasting' anything, why doesn'the 'blast' his fat ass over to Afghanistan for 5 tours of duty (one for each deferment) and show us all how it's done?
Where's Anita? She go on a Rosies Cruise?
Gaylord Greene, Cleveland

Feisty will bring here back around soon with all of her other personalities. lol, lol, lol
Looks like Obama's Mission Accomplished parties to celebrate the ending of the recession were a little pre-mature. And of course the big party is the huge push by Obama and Pelosi to pass the job-killing Health Care Reform bill. Nancy and Barack will be dancing the night away if that one passes tomorrow. I hear they have Springsteen already booked!
FROM NBC CHICAGO.
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Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting.

A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.

Who is advising him?
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OBAMA NEEDS NEW POLITICAL ADVISERS.

We now need add another 'negative' to Obama == INSENSITIVE.
Feisty -

You DO know I was kidding about Coulter being cloned!! YIKES!! One of her is too much!!

Pam, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:29 PM)


Irony is lost on some...

Coulter is the poster girl for Robert's Rules compared to you two, well mostly “Feisty”. Actually you two (coulter and feisty) are Bizaro-world doppelgangers, delivering snarky, self-congratulatory, personal-insult laden "sneer" leading for your respective "sides". You believe that you're being good natured and are absolutely sure that you're absolutely right and that anyone who disagrees is a (place "clever" politically inflammatory, derisive nickname here)

You are actually JUST like Ann Coulter, except that she has a worldwide platform for her nastiness, makes a lot of money from her shtick and is read by millions. She's a professional irritant but you have assiduously maintained your amateur standing; toiling on this little blog with maybe DOZENS of readers, and for the sheer joy of it. So except for the scope of your influence, monetary compensation and your opposite radical afflictions, you are exactly alike. And the world could do without the two of you and your entire ilk, whichever end of the current polarized political spectrum they adhere to. One only wishes that Coulter was relegated to a niche as tiny as your own.

The first amendment is a wonderful thing and exists to primarily protect UNPOPULAR speech, as popular speech is seldom in need of such, so the likes of feisty and coulter do serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things. So, when you read through feisty’s many, many, many, many daily entries to this blog, or if you accidentally start reading Coulter or see her on “Real Time”, don’t throw up your hands in disgust (and what were you doing eating your hands anyway?) Say “God Bless America!” and be thankful Coulter doesn’t blog here too, or no one else would ever get in a word.
10.2% unemployment. Will Obama "Re-Double" his efforts to create more jobs? You know, like he did last month. Seems every time Obama re-doubles anything, we get more unemployment.
Conner Q., Kansas

Obie is on course to re-double the national debt in his 4 years in office.
But the question becomes, if we're all unemployed, just who is going to pay for our health care?
Tony Mandrake, CA (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:27 AM)
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Why the rich of course! Dems will just tax "the rich" more heavily. Let them start with seven of the wealthiest US Senators, ALL DEMOCRATS!
Best comment on the radio yesterday

"I voted for change but the friggin Yankees won again"

Greetings from the evil empire...
Now that Feisty has found Pam, we see that Anita has gone missing.

Not to worry, Pam dominated the Newshole like she dominates First Read. The moderators must love her ability to talk and say nothing.
Speaking of Dick CHeney - Drive-By Observer

We weren't, but don't let that stop you.
Barry, Barry, Barry. Where are the jobs you promised? Remember your administration promised that if the Porkulus was passed the unemployment rate would not be above 8%. Do you remember?

- Bennie Roberts, Pittsburgh PA
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Dearest Bennie:

In a report issued by his economic advisors on January 10, 2009 (BEFORE Barack Obama was even sworn in as President), economic advisors Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein issued a report titled "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan".

The VERY FIRST WORDS in the report are these:

"A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010.  For this reason, we have undertaken a preliminary analysis of the jobs effects of some of the prototypical recovery packages being discussed.  Our analysis will surely evolve as we and other economists work further on this topic. The results will also change as the actual package parameters are determined in cooperation with the Congress."

Got that? The report was a PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS of a PROTOTYPICAL PACKAGE which would EVOLVE, not the actual stimuls bill that was eventually passed.

Could it be stated any more clearly than that?

Read it for yourself here:

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf




My Thoughts and prayers are with the fine people of Fort Hood and thier kin. In this time of unspeakable tragedy words are not enough but I hope that the families of the fallen can find some comfort in the knowledge that we would do anything possible to ease your burden. It's bad enough when you have to recieve this kind of news from overseas but the ciecumstances here are especially grievous. If there is anything that I or my family can do you need but to ask. Anything. Been pretty scarce for the last two weeks being out on jobsites working for a living but I don't really feel like talking politics today so everybody have a good weekend and I'll look forward to picking up the discussion first of the week.
A horrific incident occurred at Ft Wood yesterday.

But inline with rightwing Obama Derangement Sysndrome (ODS), expect President Obama to be blamed in 3...2...1....
New Wave


Disappointed yet?
Dave, IL.: Isn't it nice when the zoo animals eat their own.

You mean like when MoveOn and other liberal groups put out negative ads against moderate Democrats like Max Baucus, Bill Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and others don't toe the liberal party line? You meant like that?
Barry, Barry, Barry. Where are the jobs you promised? Remember your administration promised that if the Porkulus was passed the unemployment rate would not be above 8%.


Now you've done it, Bennie in Pittsburgh.  Nashville will now spend the whole day telling you 'but he never said that!'
Did Not Did Not Did Not!
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lol

You are SO RIGHT! :)

I already submitted two posts about it that haven't appeared (so far), so thanks for helping me get the word out that President Obama NEVER SAID the stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%.

You rock!


10.2% unemployment. Will Obama "Re-Double" his efforts to create more jobs? You know, like he did last month. Seems every time Obama re-doubles anything, we get more unemployment.

Conner Q., Kansas (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:28 AM)

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Only if you have a magic wand, Conner
A couple interesting stories about the latest Mad Hatter's Tea Party thrown by Michelle Bachmann (R. Twilight Zone), not being given much attention by the media beyond the liberal blogosphere:

First, the crazy wingnut billionaire David Koch paid for 40 buses to give teabaggers a free ride to Washington to disrupt Congress. Teabaggers, thy name is Astroturf.

Second, the alleged minority "leader" in Congress, Boehner confused the US Constitution with the Declaration of Independence. It's kind of scary that he's considered a leader of the country when he doesn't know as much about the Constitution as an 8th grader.

These are the kinds of stories that the public ought to know about, but they'll have to read web sites like Thinkprogress.org to find out how dangerous the far-out right really is and how much influence they have in the US Congress thanks to ignorant jerks like Boehner.
Right on Buzz I agree with you 100%. The same vitriolic naysayers from the blog who from day 1 are sorelosers about historic day of Obama's presidency. The same ones if they are old enough who were defending Reagan's 10.3 unemployment by blaming Carter. Sounds familiar? "When are you Lefties going to stop blaming Bush" When you stop drinking the gop KOOL-AID and realize you are being had by them. You know when they successfully had you eating out of their hands about WMD'S, DEATH PANELS, THAT OBAMA IS NOT A NATURALIZED U.S CITIZEN AD NAUSEUM!
'...Tomorrow night, the House is expected to vote on the Democrats' health care bill. And from now until then, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's goal -- as well as President Obama’s -- will be this: getting at least 218 votes...'

Democrats will negotiate
Democrats will Decide
Democrats will craft the HCR legislation

It SUCKS to be a Republican !
No Input
No Voice
No Influence
No Brains

On the Outside, looking in
Why not Party Down with the Tea Baggers, Repubs ??

HA ! HA !

The Train is leaving the staion and you lost your tickets

HA ! HA !

SUCKERS

Make HCR EFFECTIVE in 2010 !!!


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