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Health vote could slip to next week

Posted: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:19 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, Luke Russert and Domenico Montanaro
The House is coming on tomorrow for what was supposed to be a rare Saturday vote on health care.

But signs are pointing to a delay to Sunday or possibly next week due, in part, to unresolved issues over abortion and illegal immigration -- as well as the possibility for Republicans to use delay tactics.

Nancy Pelosi, in remarks today, hinted at a delay with this comment: "Within the next few days, the House will vote on the most comprehensive health care legislation in our history."

"Within the next few days...."

Aides to Speaker Pelosi insist they are ready for Saturday action saying, "Our plan is to go tomorrow, which has been clear."

Debate is expected to begin tomorrow at 9am. And senior Democratic aides say they have told members to stay in the D.C. area (not return to districts) until there is a healthcare vote and to be prepared to stay until Veteran's Day if necessary. 

They acknowledge Democrats do not have the needed votes today, saying, "There is enough opposition" for the measure to fail. Aides say they continue to discuss specific language and issues for uncommitted Democrats.

"We have to make sure all our bases are covered, so we can take up and pass this bill," a leadership aide said.

They do not plan to go to a vote without assurances from members and do not predict getting more than the required 218 votes.

"We need members to reach a comfort level" with the specifics according to aides. House Leadership has established a "hot line" for members to get expert answers to questions from constituents and to better understand various nuances of the bill and potential impact to their own districts. 

Democrats expect to get a kind of White House endorsement for the House bill today in what's known as a SAP, "Statement of Administration Policy," which would track the healthcare reform package.

Republicans, none of whom are likely to vote for a health reform bill, are already seizing on the possibility of a delay.

"If the Democratic Leader of the House is moving the goalposts, it's because Democrats can see the writing on the wall," said Ken Spain, the National Republican Campaign Committee's communications director. "A vote for yet another job-killing expansion of government in the wake of newly-released skyrocketing unemployment numbers would just be further proof of how politically tone-deaf the Democratic majority has become."

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None of you Republicans or Conservatives have answered my question, so I ask again, in hopes of an answer:

What kind of conservatism is this new “Conservative” party supposed to be like? Is it Goldwater’s Conservatism or is it Reagan’s?

My guess is nobody will answer, again, because there are no good answers. Goldwater had a strong following but fell short in his presidential aspirations (he would be considered a moderate now, by the way and he is the GRANDFATHER of the Conservative movement) – As for Reagan – he did get elected, but he shot the deficit sky-high, along with his successor and GWB – all of which were “fiscal conservatives”

Goldwater is as close as you can get to a “pure” conservative and his family endorsed Obama in this last election – you can flail and beat your chests all you want, but the wilderness is where you will find yourselves….again

Someone, please tell me what your goal is? Do you even know? Do you even care? Or is it “Us versus Them” and “Good versus Evil”?? Doesn’t seem like a very solid plan to me…just more vitriolic criticism with no solutions.

I do have hope for you guys, and I understand the fear and frustration, but if anger and hatred is all you’ve got, then be upset with the one’s who have deceived you for so long – Trickle Down Economics, Tax Cuts for the Wealthy, etc – don’t take it out on the people who point out the fallacy that is today’s Republican Party.
This bill better deliver, or else, the dems will never see a congressional majority or the white house for many decades....

On another note...Reagan had record defecits, record spending, record unemployment, record interest rates, etc...guess that means he's the worst president ever!
If at first you don't succeed . . . bring up abortion!

Mercy.

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From previous post:

To Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it:

First let me commend you on actually doing some RESEARCH and posting some LINKS!

BRAVO!

As I said in my first response to you, the economy IS WORSE than President Obama anticipated and projected.

That's a fact.

I just have a real problem with folks creating a "conventional wisdom" quote that states the President said something definitive like "unemployment won't go over 8% if the stimulus passes" when he DID NOT say that, and all the projections referenced say plainly that they are ESTIMATES and have tremendous margins of error, as most ESTIMATES do.

So you and I agree . . . I think. lol
Oh for pete's sake, fix the damn abortion language and get on with it.

Come on, fellow Libbies, is there anything more painful than watching us fumble in the red zone?  Good grief.  
Slip sliding away....hopefully

Anybody want to explain how this is not a job killer?
Nashville_fan (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 10:51 AM
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Thanks Nash! For the life of me I can’t comprehend why humor is so LOST on the righties?  

And talk about the spin cycle… wasn’t it just last week they were making fun of the President saying ‘gonna’ or something like that… it had been awhile since the grammar police were trolling around here… but like everything else – when you’re out of ‘ammo’ play the ‘repeat’ card!!

Now we’re back to the 8% unemployment crap!  Guess it’s true that everything old does become ‘new’ again!  lol lol lol

Keep up the great work!  Few have lamely tried to defend the ‘attack’ – but the TRUTH is a hard thing to disprove!

I’ve got some popcorn popping as we speak.. I’ll let you know when it’s done ;0)

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It seems that housekeepers were told to train people who would fill in for vacations, illness, etc.  Turns out, that once trained, the housekeepers who earn $14-16 an hour plus health care and pension benefits were fired in one day and replaced with the workers they had traine  Greed, pure and simple greed. d who will earn $8.

Jody, Iowa (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 11:26 AM)
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Isn’t capitalism a beautiful thing?  *snark meter set on overload* This is just the first step to bring back 'slave' labor!

And you KNOW this isn't an isolated 'incident'

Waaaaaay to MANY Gordon Gecko’s on the loose these days!
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A horrific incident occurred at Ft Wood yesterday.

But inline with rightwing Obama Derangement Sysndrome (ODS), expect President Obama to be blamed in 3...2...1....
New Wave (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM)

You sir are a moron for trying to politicize what happened yeasterday. NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE BLAMED the president for that but you see those peoples suffering as a means to advance youragenda and that sickens me.
What_you_Selling (Sent Friday, November 06, 2009 9:54 AM)
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Whoops!

What you gonna ‘peddle’ now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html

You KNOW they’ll never pass up an opportunity for some good old fashion Obama trashing now will they?   lol lol lol
As we move forward with ever improving public healthcare, and better managed diet and exercise, it will inevitably lead to greater longevity and lower death rates amongst our elderly and infant populations. This will need to be managed carefully in order to maintain a sustainable society. Maximum age limits and preset birth rates many become necessary for the greater good. These will most likely need to be global in nature in the long term, but can begin on a national level to prove out their viability to the rest of the global population. I know this may sound barbaric to some, but it is the only logical conclusion that anyone with a educated mind can reach when thinking strictly about the greater good. This brings us to another topic which I will discuss in a future post, security and enforcement. The greater good often meets resistance from those of lesser intellect and education. There are some who will never see the bigger picture, the greater good, and others who through their own selfishness and self-centeredness, if you will, feel that their well being is more important than the well being of their society, but I will delve into this further at a later date.
BE BOLD !!
BE BRAVE !!

BE DEMOCRATS !!
and work for the Pbulic Interest

Thank you Nancy Pelosi for leading House Democrats to this position

Soon, we will have a Health Care Reform bill that's STRONG and Progressive
WITH A Public Option !!

No wonder the Reactionaries and Cross Burners fear and hate you so much

You're a STRONG, EFFECTIVE DEMOCRATIC LEADER


Nancy Pelosi, bringing San Francisco Values to America
Just when we needed them MOST !!


It must SUCK to be a Republican !!
Tea Bags-a-go-go !!
"Our plan is to go tomorrow, which has been clear."

This is why I have such problems with the way things have unfolded with the new administration.  If the Speaker would just come out and say "Look, we are trying to make sure the language in the bill is correct and meets the President's vows he gave to the American people" it would grab attention and respect from both sides.  Unfortunately politics don't work that way and its rather sad.  The real stink of all of this is that the President hasn't come out and made a stand of what he HAS TO HAVE in the bill.  Sure he's said he'd "like" this and that.  A little direction and guidance early on in the debate would have given this whole process, in my opinion, a better chance of being a good bill.  I think its become so focused on just getting the votes to pass SOMETHING that the administration and Congress have lost sight of what this reform is intended to do.

Personally I would have rather seen 5 to 10 bills written in plain legislative language to correct each problem than a massive 2000 page behemoth.  I like some ideas proposed in each bill but I think trying to do everything at once just causes the "fixes" to get watered down and nothing really is accomplished.
Did you all read the story about the nut cases at yesterday's "event" at the Capitol? Five people had to be attended to by government health care workers.

Does anyone know what Rep. Boehner does except go in front of the tv cameras? Does he actually work on anything of substance? I heard his version of health care bill was a disaster.

What a surprise. He could very well be the dumbest congress member in a long long while.

I can't believe our U.S. Government showed up yesterday with the right wing fringe. We all sat in our offices yesterday, just shaking our heads. Anger isn't the word I would describe. It was more disbelief.

Boehner. Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives. A "leader" who doesn't know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Utter disbelief.

Jody is right.  HCR will pass...maybe tomorrow, maybe Sunday...maybe Monday...but it will pass.  Then over to the Senate...and it will pass there also. No doubt about it.
Slip sliding away. Slip sliding a-wayyyy!
But signs are pointing to a delay to Sunday or possibly next week due, in part, to unresolved issues over abortion and illegal immigration -- as well as the possibility for Republicans to use delay tactics.
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No doubt on the delay tactics!  WE WAN'T a Do OVER... WHAAA WHAA WHAAA

Not to mention they must be pretty WORN OUT from all their 'festivities' yesterday!  You know all the anger & hate can take it's toll!

No wonder they haven't read the bill... they're too busy tea bagging!  lol lol lol

America is catching on to just where there priorities lie! (pun intended) lol lol lol

FR: But signs are pointing to a delay to Sunday or possibly next week due, in part, to unresolved issues over abortion and illegal immigration -- as well as the possibility for Republicans to use delay tactics.


Or, as well as the possibility that Pelosi is about 40 votes short. That would do it too.
Hey Blue Dogs!  Pelosi can't fire you. But the voters can!
Saturday, Sunday or in the "next few days" is okay with me, as long as HCR is finally passed!! Thank you, Speaker Pelosi!!
Nancy Pelosi says 293,749 Americans will die if HCR is not passed.
"We need to pass this stimulus plan quickly, because if we don't, unemployment may rise above 8%."

BHO Washington DC - February/2009


The President’s economic advisors predicted that unemployment would rise to 9 percent by 2010 if Congress did not pass the stimulus bill, but that with the stimulus unemployment would stay below 8 percentage points.

Congress passed the stimulus bill in February 2009 and the President has repeated his claims.  Asked when the public should begin to judge the effects of the stimulus, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said “I think we should begin to judge it now.”

In that case, the stimulus must be judged a failure. The figure above shows the projections the administration made in January with and without the stimulus bill, and the actual unemployment rate since then. Unemployment has risen not only above what the President’s advisors predicted would happen if the stimulus passed, but above what they estimated would occur without the stimulus. By the President’s own measure, the stimulus has failed.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=unemployment+WONT+GO+ABOVE+8%25&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Sorry Nashville - I could only find 217,000 references proving Obama Said it.  But most are from those far right wing blogs like MSN, ABC, NBC, CNN, Politico, Huffington Post ...

When will you start saying that he never said that he would ...
Bring Our Troops Home
Repeal DODT
Not Raise Taxes
Close Gitmo
Create 3 million jobs
Reduce the size of Government
Stop Warrantless Wiretaps
and my personal favorite - Transparency!!!

Whats your favorite flavor ...
Why no mention of the wonderful GOP health care bill which the CBO thrashed? It covers less people and costs more. The Republicans have no ideas and should have just continued to say no. This must be a huge embarrassment and now all they can do is applaud when Democrats need more time to work through complex issues in which Republicans sat on the sidelines simply hoping for failure. The American people want reform and support a public option (55% according to a new CNN poll.)As a Republican myself (yes, pretty much a RINO until I see some real change from the leadership but keep in mind I voted straight Republican until 2008) I am also ashamed that elected GOP members spoke at a hate-filled rally on the Capital yesterday and never stood up against Nazi signs and clear racism seen at the Bachman "Superbowl of anti-reform." These officals are not blind-they SAW the horrible, violent, dishonest signs and sat mute.

Here's the article from the Washington Times on the GOP "plan."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_budget_office_th.html
Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN

Hey toilet tissue (Ass Wipe) your the one other people were commenting on yeaterday.
it was not just me that was insulted by your comments.
i see your problem you live in a hick state where the KKK was founded, so i see where your coming from.
again i hate to bring up history, buy its true, you live in a racist state, and i can see that i struck a nerve yesterday, My job was done!!!

have a good weekend, please don't burn and crosses this weekend!!!!
Jeff Evanston IL

Jeff, unfortunately all you have done is confirmed what we all suspected. You said and showed it all in this response.

Remember, it's your choice to continue the life of hate and anger driven by your faith in the liberal democrat party and the lies they make you believe.

You are, well, their puppet or slave somewhat. Not really where I think Jeff wants to be.

Don't end up with an "L" on your forehead when all is said and done. Be positive not angry.
First Read: House Leadership has established a "hot line" for members to get expert answers to questions from constituents and to better understand various nuances of the bill and potential impact to their own districts.

Expert answers? Like "Are abortions covered in Pelosi's bill?". Yes. "But we thought you said abortions would not be covered.". We did, but that was a lie.
First Read writes: "They do not plan to go to a vote without assurances from members and do not predict getting more than the required 218 votes. "


The Blue Dogs are in a locked room at this time, each nervously picking straws on who will, and who will not vote for PelosiCare. Nobody wants the short stick because their jobs depend on it.
What time is Obama's t-time today???

Obama breaks another record - More golf outings than any president in the HISTORY OF THE USA during his first 8 months.  But that OK - its not like there is anything happening that needs his attention!!!

Maybe he thinks that if he plays more golf the courses will have to hire more caddy's and greenskeepers and thats how he will improve the unemployment numbers.  
We still don’t know what was behind the killings at Ft. Hood this afternoon, in which 11 soldiers and the killer died, but President Obama’s rushed press conference was surprising in its flippancy nonetheless. Before he got to the issue on everyone’s mind --namely the deaths of Americans in uniform -- the president gave a “shout-out” to government bureaucrats gathered for a previously scheduled conference at the Interior Department, complete with appreciative chuckles.

Its nice to see that Obie has his priorities straight - next - GOLF
Why are you constantly injecting comments like, "It only took about five minutes for Republicans to pounce on the numbers." in your reporting. Whatever happened to being objective? How do you expect your readers people to believe your commentary, when you're reporting style consistently favors one political party in favor of another?
CBS, NBC Fail to ID Hasan as Muslim: ABC Relays, 'I Wish His Name Was Smith'
Neither the CBS Evening News nor NBC Nightly News, in their East coast feeds Thursday night, noted the Muslim religious beliefs of the mass killer at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas, but ABC anchor Charles Gibson wasn't cowed by political correctness as he teased World News, “Fort Hood tragedy: An Army officer, a Muslim convert, is the suspect in a shooting spree...” Introducing his first story, Gibson referred to how Major Nidal Malik Hasan “an army officer, a Muslim, opened fire with handguns...” (With a range of frequency, during late afternoon/early evening coverage, CNN, FNC and MSNBC all identified Hasan as a Muslim.)

Cryptically, ABC's senior foreign affairs correspondent, Martha Raddatz, concluded a story on reaction at Fort Hood: “As for the suspect, Nadal Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, 'I wish his name was Smith.'” So, a concern this will lead to groundless fear of Muslims?

The CBS Evening News avoided any mention of Islam or Muslim faith as Katie Couric provided this benign description: “Today, according to the Army, a soldier opened fire....He's identified tonight as Army Major Nadal Malik Hasan, a licensed psychiatrist and drug and rehab specialist from Bethesda, Maryland.” NBC anchor Brian Williams: “The soldier, identified as the initial gunman here, is an Army psychiatrist, Nadal Malik Hasan. He's an officer, a Major, and he was apparently armed with two handguns.” NBC's Pete Williams insisted, the MRC's Brad Wilmouth noticed, “everything about his background is rock solid, and nothing extraordinary stands out about his background.”

Crazy Muslim with a gun - nothing extraordinary there?
Ken Spain: "A vote for yet another job-killing expansion of government in the wake of newly-released skyrocketing unemployment numbers would just be further proof of how politically tone-deaf the Democratic majority has become."


Pelosi and her crew are on Fantasy Island where real things are fake and fake things are real. Nancy got it so right with the Stimulus bill, remember that one? The one no Democrat read, but voted for it anyway? Look at all the jobs that created! Now she's pulling the same stunt for health care reform. Guess what? We're going to see the same results. Another trillion dollars down the crap-hole-of-life.
You don’t honestly believe McGrumpy & Klondike Barbie WEREN’T going to continue the Republican’t agenda!

History is not going to be kind to the dynamic duo of darkness, deceit & destruction that’s for sure!

Have another sip of your tea dear… but for the love of God quit stapling the tea bags to your forehead will ya?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL


Trained chimps could do a better job then Obama/Biden. They'd get the same amount of work done, plus they'd be fun to watch, you know, riding their tricycles, smoking their cigars, and throwing their waste at people. And when we were done watching that, we could go watch the chimps.
The Soros Plan To Kill Capitalism
Having purchased, rented, or placed a down payment on all the political influence up for sale in America, leftist troublemaker George Soros now plans to ramp up his war on markets worldwide by creating an "Institute for New Economic Thinking" (INET).


"The system we have now has actually broken down, only we haven't quite recognized it and so you need to create a new one and this is the time to do it," Soros told the Financial Times last month.


Soros said he wants Communist China to run this new financial system. "You really need to bring China into the creation of a new world order, a financial world order," Soros said.

Looks like Obama is doing exactly as Soros tells him to!  Also explains why Obama is borrowing record amounts from China and doing everything possible to de-value the dollar.  The only question is - WHY?

Whats in it for Obama and Soros???
Pelosi the LIAR

Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office says that the speaker will not allow the final language of the health care to be posted online for 72 hours before bringing the bill to a vote on the House floor, despite her September 24 statement that she was "absolutely" committed to doing so.

Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it's voted on at the very end?

PELOSI: "Absolutely. Without question!"
I wiuld hope that any Democrat that votes against HCR, has a new job lined up before they are up for reelection.  We NEED HCR NOW. A "no" vote, is not acceptable.
President Obama, who has refused to release his college transcripts, yesterday divulged his daughter Malia scored a 73 on a sixth-grade science test.

Obama went into unusual detail about Malia's 73, telling a Wisconsin school audience his 11-year-old daughter recently "became depressed," explaining that in the Obama household "our goal is 90 percent and up" on school tests.

Obama said Malia complained her test differed from the class science study guide but that after changing her habits, she scored a 95 on the next science test. He quoted Malia saying, "I like having knowledge."

Her teacher is a racist - that must be it.
Gee, all these endorsements from all these organizations. The AARP. The AMA, even the President of the United States. Democrats are lacking just one more endorsement - The Peoples.
Iran Tested Advanced Nuclear Warhead
The UN's nuclear watchdog has asked Iran to explain evidence suggesting that Iranian scientists have experimented with an advanced nuclear warhead design, the Guardian has learned. The very existence of the technology, known as a "two-point implosion" device, is officially secret in both the US and Britain, but according to previously unpublished documentation in a dossier compiled by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iranian scientists may have tested high-explosive components of the design. The development was today described by nuclear experts as "breathtaking" and has added urgency to the effort to find a diplomatic solution to the Iranian nuclear crisis.

I'm sure they are only testing it to help them with their "peaceful power plant"

And Obama does . . .

NOTHING
Stealing taxpayer money has gotten harder ever time I try to do it!
It's midnight Nancy - Time for you to turn into a pumpkin!
Boston Firm Ships 'Green Jobs' to China
President Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress are spending billions of tax dollars to subsidize development of "green jobs" - positions for people and companies designing and manufacturing alternative energy sources such as biomass, wind and solar.


One of Obama's buddies, Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts, is also a vocal advocate of such subsidies. Last year, Patrick put Massachusetts taxpayers' money where is mouth is by backing a $58 million package of incentives and subsidies to Evergreen Solar, which manufacturers collector panels used in solar energy units.


Now barely a year later, Evergreen has announced that it is moving its final assembly phase to a factory in China, according to the Boston Globe. The firm's Devens, Massachusetts, plant currently employs 577 full-time and 230 contract workers in designing and manufacturing the silicon wafers and cells that are then assembled into panels.

Do these Chinese jobs count toward the 3 million jobs Obama said he would create???
Time for a little Tea liberals? Do you take one lump, or six?
N.J. Court: Americans Have No Right to Buy Hand Guns
A New Jersey appeals court has concluded that Americans have no Second Amendment right to buy a handgun.

In a case decided last week, the superior court upheld a state law saying that nobody may possess "any handgun" without obtaining law enforcement approval and permission in advance.

That outcome might seem like something of a surprise, especially after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year in the D.C. v. Heller case that the Second Amendment guarantees "the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation."

But New Jersey Appellate Division Judge Stephen Skillman wrote on behalf of a unanimous three-judge panel that Heller "has no impact upon the constitutionality of" the state law.

Does this mean that we in New Jersey dont have to pay federal taxes either???
Now where did we put those Recall Petitions?
European Liberals In Shock Over Obama's Failures
It is no coincidence that Barack Obama held a key campaign rally last year in front of hundreds of thousands of adoring Germans, as though he were running for Mayor of Berlin. Obama remains in many ways a quintessentially European politician, a firm believer in big government, large-scale state intervention, social liberalism, supranational institutions, and the projection of soft power abroad. His political philosophy is frequently more attuned to Brussels or Strasbourg than it is to Washington. For a host of reasons however, President Obama is increasingly viewed by his natural allies in Europe- the left-wing intelligentsia in particular - as a mounting disappointment, whether it is dithering over attending the climate change summit in Copenhagen, supposedly ignoring the momentous changes within the European Union, making little progress with the Middle East peace process, adopting protectionist trade policies, a lack of commitment to human rights, the list goes on.

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What - didn't they hear about the Beer Summit???
The Democrats should know if the Rebubs are against this they should steam roller forward.  When this HCR Bill is as old as the SS, Medicare, Disability, Veterans Administration and all the other Government run agencies , the Repub's will be trying to say they were for it all the way. That's the way it is when the going gets tough, look for the Rethugs to chicken out, they can't handle anything that doesn't come easy. And if they don't get it done they don't want anyone else to try. Just think where we would be today if we hadn't had to endure 8 years of Republican rule.  Now everyone wants the Democrats to wave a wand and along with the New President of 10 months, make everything perfect. You didn't have perfect before and dealt with that POS for eight years....hold on wait a minute, give us a try and give it time....
But I thought the trillion dollar stimulus giveaway would make it all better. Notice that while the private sector lost 190,000 jobs last month government employment remained steady. If that's not enough to get people angry I'm not sure what is.

The healthcare bill will kill more jobs and cap and trade will kill even more jobs so if Obama is able to pass his socialist agenda we can all expect at least 12% unemployment over the next 12-24 months
Where do they get these clowns.Ken Spain is the latest of the bozb club to come a lieing.Sky rocketing un=employment,really,while Bush was in office you had it right,but the numbers have gotten better monthly.But Spain man can you tell us how proud you where yesterday, when your party leaders where all Ginned up, and couldn't remember the words to the pledge of allegiance,Real Americans,no the words,and was that the leader of your party,waving the constitution,crying about our fore fathers and how he invoked there ghost,the funny part was when he tried to quote from the Constitution and ended up quoting from the declaration of Independence.how proud we all where,the leaders of the republican party can't even quote from the right documents,how sad the party of NO brains has become.maybe one should wait till late afternoon before one starts tipping highballs.
This is tragic for so many people who really need an alernative to their current health insurance coverage and carriers. In Rhode Island, there is not a lot of competition but surely enough high insurance prices.

I would love to hear of a viable alternative to the current health insurance process. Additionally, I hope people in the opposition have a viable alternative ready to be presented to combat the rise of unemployment. It is not enough to claim there's a problem - a viable solution has to be offered - otherwise, it's just lip-service.
Stop the madness. Republicans, tea baggers and assorted independents have spent the last few moths marching on Washington and shouting down any discussions on healthcare reform....

Perhaps Obama should "Go Iranian" and bring the troops out to the streets to shut the demonstrators down like we saw recently after their election? How about silencing the Free American voices for you?

Whatever happened to all the war protestors we saw before the election of 08?

Obama will be playing golf over the weekend, Day 71 and 72, thinking about what to do in Afghanistan, as people continue to pass.


Off topic, but important.

I see where another 'walk-in' shooting has taken place in America.
Not sure what's gone wrong, but it gets worse instead of better all the time.

Could it be an out of control 'gun nut'?  A frustrated 'tea bagger'?  A person that sees his/her God removed from thier daily lives?  An around-the-bend 'libtard' mad at a 'fat-cat' employer?
I wsh I knew.  I DO know dialogue in this country seems to reach a new level of vitriol and disrepect daily, though.  
For this reason, I make a pledge today to not post mean-spirrited or inflamatory comments on these boards any more.  I know- I've done plenty of it myself up to now, and won't deny it.  I also won't stop posting comments and opinions, but WILL try to do so in a more civilized tone.
Will it help in some small way?  Probably not.  But I bet it won't hurt, either.
Who's next?
Great...maybe the G-NO-P will take the extra time to read the bill considering they could have taken some time yesterday but chose to party with the teabaggers instead.
The CBO has come out and announced the PelosiCare would create 111 new buracratic departments, each with thousands of employees.  I'm sure that will lower the cost of insurance - NOT.

But at least it will create some of the 3 million jobs promised!
Take time and get it right. Don't water it down but consider the concerns of people regarding the abortion and immigrant issues. Those are things that can go in later if found necessary. Do not let the dopes of nope win this one. If they do the insurance costs will go through the roof and keep rising. We must control costs of insurance NOW!


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