FR: >>> -- "Will Reid have a bill before Christmas (or Hanukkah or Kwanzaa)?"  <<

In keeping with the theme of the HCR bill, it will be ready to go on April 1st. Or April 15th. Which ever is more appropriate. What ever day it is ready, that day will be renamed to be my signature.

It is a matter of give and take. To get the public option there may be some things the Dems. will have to give up for now. Those are things that they can try and add later on. The main thing is to get a bill passed that reduces the cost of healthcare for the average citizen. However they do that it must be done.

The Republican alternative does NOT do that, by the way.

Healthcare reform was a huge part of the platform that won the election for Obama.

With a majority in both houses, if the Democrats can't pass this legislation they will be dead on arrival in 2010.

The Senate will jump on the Health Care bill like a puma on an antelope. Right after they finish with Cap&Trade.

With a majority in both houses, if the Democrats can't pass this legislation they will be dead on arrival in 2010.
Ira from Freehold


They already are Ira. They already are.

What amazes me is how the media keeps saying that the votes against the two democratic governors was a reflection on Obama.  Why hasn't anyone thought that it was a reflection on the Democratic Party and their inability to get healthcare reform?  As well as the blue dog democrats who sound like republicans?  Maybe it's more of a reflection against the Democratic Party not doing what the majority of Americans voted them in for.

Time for a little Tea Liberals? Do you take one lump, or six?

Keep in mind folks… this is brought to you by the SAME ‘chattering class’ that just last week were grinning like Cheshire Cats and wringing their hands that there was NO WAY the bill was going to pass the house!

You see it’s not going to work this time!  People are tuned in & paying attention and no MATTER how HARD you try to spin it… you’re no longer the only source of information readily available to voters!

You can continue to REFUSE to report the FACT that the MAJORITY of citizens WANT a Public Option… well see how well that works out for you in the long run!

I have elderly relatives who for the FIRST time in their lives are taking what comes at them from the ‘boob tube’ as only partially accurate!

I thought Gotcha Gregory was going to burst a blood vessel yesterday morning on the Today Show!!! lol lol lol  

Murder by the state. Do as I say not as I do.
Pro life all the way


With executions, the state is executing the guilty. With abortions, the state is allowing executions of the innocent.

The Republican alternative does NOT do that, by the way.
eagle1776


The Democratic bill bankrupts the country. The Republican alternative does NOT do that, by the way.

national joke day,,,that's everyday if your a republican,to them anything that won't put money in there pockets is a joke.And to those that don't have HC the party of torture,the party of wire tapping,the party of NO hope are being run by Bohner,Can'tor.McConnell,Palin Pawlenty.Beck Rush,couldn't care less about your problem,to them a joke.See they where so used to being lead buy someone that today is refered to as the worst president ever,most see him as a joke,and don't forget Dead eye Dick,who along with his daughter have become the blunt of late night comic relief,a joke that they are.So you republicvans just keep on joking,we will be the last laughing.

I was and am a big supporter of "healthcare reform) but at this point the legislation is going to be so flawed by the time the corporate owned Senate hacks it up, I hope it gets killed, and if it passes as nothing more than a handout to the insurance industry Obama best do the right thing and veto it, if he doesn't and we end up with a law that does nothing more than enslave us to the insurance industry the Democratic party is done.

I was and am a big supporter of "healthcare reform) but at this point the legislation is going to be so flawed by the time the corporate owned Senate hacks it up, I hope it gets killed, and if it passes as nothing more than a handout to the insurance industry Obama best do the right thing and veto it, if he doesn't and we end up with a law that does nothing more than enslave us to the insurance industry the Democratic party is done.

Maybe Obama should be talking to theses Senators
His administration should also be talking to Lieberman

When Social Security first passed it was bare bones
It didn't include very many people

But, after a few years Americans realized it was a great thing

It was expanded

It will be the same for Health Care Reform
It will be the same for the Public Option

Gett this HCR passed and we'll make it better in the future

But, Obama has to HELP !!

YES WE CAN !!

The house bill was passed saying there would be no premium differences based on health status. I am a vegetarian, exercise regularly, am not overweight, don’t drink or smoke. Yet I have to pay the same premium as an overweight, over eating , chain smoking , drunk?  Can you say Dumbocrat. That is just plain ridiculous. Nobody is responsible for their actions anymore. How dumb can Pelosi and the rest of her fools get. Next thing you know they will pass a bill saying that a person with 20 DUI’s pays the same auto insurance premiums as a person with no violations.

In the 'Give them enough rope' Department....

From Washington Monthly:


'...* The Club for Growth's political action committee formally endorsed Marco Rubio's (R) Senate campaign in Florida this morning, reinforcing expectations of a bitter fight in the Sunshine State over whether Gov. Charlie Crist (R) is right-wing enough for the party base...'

Go Rubio !!
Take down the Republicans only hope for a Senate seat in Florida !!

LOL !!

!: How do you spell STUPID ?
A: Club for Growth'

The Democrats sent "elements of a bill" to the CBO.  What a freakin' waste of taxpayers' money and time.  Come up with "a bill" first - - in its entirety, let the public view it for 5 days, let the deabte ensue, and THEN vote on it.  Why is that so freakin' hard?  

The first promise of Obama on HC was to cut the cost of health care. The House bill, which he endorsed, costs $500 billion more then if we do nothing.

I expect nothing at all from the "party of no", nor these repubs masquerading as dems.  We need healthcare reform now, but if ANYTHING gets passed by this current crop of senators toward that goal, I am all for it. It will at least be a start in the right direction after years of allowing pharmaceutical and insurance companies to gouge us more and more each year with their costs and premiums that have already gone through the roof.  If nothing is done, we can all expect higher costs than ever coming out of paychecks that are already more anemic than they should be due of greed, and the trickle down theory first proposed by Reagan.  Greedy Old Party, it will not and has not worked!

More importantly, they should be ashamed that they are contributing to the deaths of almost 50,000 Americans a year who cannot afford the costs of medical coverage working or not.  What happened to compassionate conservatism?
Ira from Freehold (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:21 PM)
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Ira, the term Compassionate Conservative is a completely fraudulent premise, just like Fiscal Conservatives - it's the Tax and Spend Liberals who left office with a surplus, all the Fiscal Conservatives (Reagen, Bush and Bush) left with huge deficits

It's beyond ironic, or coincedence, that Peter Orszag, the current Obama budget director was the director of the CBO from 2006 to 2007.

The CBO has been consulted on how to "craft" the legislation to hide it's true cost.

The House states it will cost $1 Trillion over 10 years. The Cato Institute has analyzed the legislation and puts it's cost at around $2.5 Trillion.

111 new Federal agencies were created last Saturday night.

Any legislation this size will be flawed, it is the nature of the beast but as is often quoted, the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.  Even without the public option, the bill is a sweeping bill changing and limiting insurance company power to dictate who can and will receive health care.  To have gotten health care this far and not get something would be a big mistake.  If it takes a bit longer to ensure passage, fine.  I'm not frustrated with Senator Reid who is doing everything he can to move this along.  My frustration goes back to Baucus who could have moved legislation out of his committee before the August recess.  I know he had a tough committee and he tried to get improvements but ended up having a bill essentially the same as it was in August.  That delay pushed Senate action into the busy holiday season.

The CBO determined that the GOP plan cost more over time and insured less than the Democratic plan. That statement is 100% factual and cannot be disputed unless you didn't read the report.

I'm beginning to believe the modern conservatives live in a fantasy realm of unicorns and fairy tales where the GOP, in their minds, showed excellent leadership skills in Congress from 1994-2006 and had a remarkable president from 2001-2008. You can underline a known, proven fact to a conservative (government spending exploded under Reagan and Bush; we never discovered true weapons of mass destruction which was the supposed reason for the Iraq invasion) and they will completely ignore it. What else can it be than the mind taking a vacation in the Land of Denial and the Isle of Personal Greed??

Seems like all the liberal posts have names like Ira, Izzy, or Samuel.  Is there a connection to a religion?
Wilk (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:00 PM)

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Ira nobody has to die because of no insurance, go to Centra State they have to treat you regardless Go to Jersey Shore Medical Center they have to treat you, regardless it's the law. And they have to give you the same care as some one with health insurance  because it's the law.
Al-exNJ Charlotte NC (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:25 PM)
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.....and I'll bet you think the earth is flat, Obama is a Muslim and not an American citizen.  You are a bigoted, ignorant moron. I didn't know Mein Kampf was still in print.

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...and who pays for those uninsured patients?  You do, I do, we all do.  It comes out of our taxes.  I much prefer the alternative, that they be insured.  Secondly...the 45,000 American death due to lack of insurance is from the AMA and has NOT been disputed by the insurance industry.  What the hell do car deaths and the rest have to do with insurance? BTW....Not all states MUST treat the ill.  Nice to mention one of the exceptions.

It is health care enrollment time. The insurance companies are hiking the cost, 30% more for my husband a year and my payment is up 43% yearly on the average for the last 4 years. They are literally sucking the blood out of us. Insurance companies make money and we are healthy. Whatever you do don't get sick.

Eagle1776 --- What makes you think this bill will reduce costs for the average citizen.  It won't actually reduce costs for anyone.  What it will do, is continue to give people with no job some type of insurance (which I am for, by the way, as long as they are trying to work, or on legitimate disability).  It will also increase the cost of the majority of working Americans through either higher income taxes, some new tax, like paying a tax if I see a doctor, or increased monthly contributions to my employer insurance plan, with less benefits.  On a high level, I agree that no one should have to suffer and die because they don't have any or adequate insurance.  I don't agree however on how the democrats want to go about it.  Something needs to be done so that insurance companies can only make so much, doctors can only make so much.  I must admit there are no easy answers for the how's of any plan.  Based on the arguments here, on TV, in the House and Senate, the only thing I can be sure of is that we are are a greedy society that eventually will see disaster because of our greed.  Has anyone thought of doing a telethon or something so that all the people that think healthcare should be free can contribute to a fund to pay for it?  If we do that, we'll truly see how caring of a society we are, or if we just want to look like we care and the other side doesn't with our words, not our actions.

Please publish this one.  I want to hear other people's opinions on my telethon idea.  Thanks.

The problem with this bill is that it is fundamentally unconstitutional. The continued abuse of the interstate commerce clause is apparent. Liberals hate the Constitution. Liberals hate limited government and individual rights. If this bill passes they might as well throw away the Constitution. Pelosi would love that.

Joe Lieberman says as a "matter of conscience", if the health care reform bill reaches the Senate floor and includes a Public Option, he will vote to block a final vote on the bill.  Given the million plus dollars he has accepted from the for profit heath care industry and his wife's connections to the industry, I suggest that his wallet, rather than his conscience is the operative consideration here.  Based upon that statement, that Joe should be stripped immediately of his Senate Committee Chairmanship along with all other Senate perks controlled by the Senate Democratic Caucus with the proviso that he will be reinstated if he does not vote to support a Republican led filibuster on health care.  Joe should also withdraw from Medicare and relinquish his tax payer provided health care insurance.

I would also suggest that Joe be targeted for removal from office and that a serious heavily funded Democratic challenger be groomed to run against him if removal from office fails.  Since a vast majority of Joe's constituents in Connecticut want a Public Option, it would seem that Joe has no conscious when it comes to keeping his word to them.  It might also be appropriate that a bill be introduced to reduce our financial support for Israel by an amount equal to the cost of their Public Health Care system and I suggest that Joe be a co-sponsor of that legislation.  After all, if it is OK to send US taxpayer dollars to fund a Public Option for Israeli citizens, why not here?

As for any other Democratic Senators who are temped to join Republicans to filibuster health care reform, think again.  You will be targeted for extinction, make no mistake about it.  Support your party, support your President, support the American people and allow health care reform to have the simple up or down majority vote in the Senate that it deserves.

Saint Dick -- It appears you are somewhat wise to the ways of the world, but instead of analyzing cause and effect, you are spewing blame.  While I can't argue with your surplus/deficit statement, I can chastise you for the blame.  Look at the results to the American citizen.  Unemployment lower once Conservative plans in place with senate/house controlled by same party.  Problems otherwise.  People like to work.  Society is better for it.  If unemployment continues to rise, there will be very little chance of ever bring down the deficit Obama is proposing to take on.  In my opinion, jobs just became the number one priority, not insurance.  The Dems don't see it.  If that insurance bill passes, it will cost many more jobs.  Your thoughts????

From an earlier post:
Just a thought...What does a democrat really mean when they claim the Health Care Bill will make health care "affordable???  Ohhh!!!.."Tax the rich!"...which always works out well for the little guy...right?

I look at it this way...if you want socialist benefits...go live in a socialist country, like France, and leave the USA alone!
clarkohrepub
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Clarkohrepub, um, this is not single payer health care insurance like other "socialist" countries, i.e., France.

Secondly, my boss and his wife really enjoyed thier $978.00 meal at Per Se in New York Saturday night. One of the results of the tax cuts Bush gave the wealthy while adding trillions to the deficit.

Yeah, those tax cuts for the wealthy really made life great for the middle class! It also haelped when they repealed the last of the regulations in 2002 resulting in predatory lending so Wall Streeet could open their casino and run their mob racket until they caused the complete meltdown of the economy.

STOP listening to the entertainment division of the republican party and the republican party leadership. They are lying to you. They are laughing all the way out to the dinner that costs more than most of us make in a week and to the bank while you and the rest of their zombie followers defend their tax cuts.

They are maiking a fool out of you.

Stupid is as...   How entertaining, this coming from the party that says Government should stay out of people's lives.  Don't touch my insurance, don't touch my medicare, don't let government get between my doctor and me.  Except, of course, if meddling with the premiums benefits those folks who are and do everything right.  Government has no business deciding who lives a healthy lifestyle and who doesn't, who is overweight and who isn't, who eats right and who doesn't.  Even companies providing subsidized health insurance won't cross this line because it is borderline discrimination.  Both Government and employer roles in this should be to encourage health lifestyles not dictate it--dictating it might be some form of an "ism" like socialism or fascism or healthism (and I know that's not a word).

"The house bill was passed saying there would be no premium differences based on health status. I am a vegetarian, exercise regularly, am not overweight, don’t drink or smoke. Yet I have to pay the same premium as an overweight, over eating , chain smoking , drunk? "

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Dear stupid as a dumbocrate.

If you get your healthcare from your employer like the majority of us - get ready for a surprise!
Everyone pays the same regardless of whether they are fat, skinny, smart or dumb. The same amount comes out of your paycheck if you select the same plan.

My guess is that you don't have a job so you don't know.....

Harry Reid's foremost objective is to protect the In$urance indu$try - guaranteeing MORE HUGE campaign donations to Democrats.

You can all make as much fun of this as you want.  But on legislation this big....i.e. Healthcare, I want them to get it right and move it through the Senate to get every vote we can on it.

Unfortunately the House passed a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care "exchange". There are several loopholes that doe’s not require stringent verification to keep illegal aliens out Health care reform.  However the bill was not in the best interest of the majority of Americans who want health care reform, but wanted a bill approved without the financial complication of insuring the millions of illegal immigrants. Now the next hurdle is the Senate chambers where enactment must bypass Sen. Harry Reid and other Democratic leaders who are adamant on giving illegal immigrants access.  Please call all Senate Members and urge them to vote against the rule that provides a weak verification mechanism that still allows illegal aliens to purchase insurance from the health care exchange.
E-verify is a progressive computer tool, that is capable of ensuring illegal aliens are excluded from nationwide worksites. Its innovation frees employers from being held responsible for unknowingly hiring foreign nationals, if accompanied with the federal 1-9 documentation.
 WE MUST JAM THE SWITCHBOARDS IN WASHINGTON, PUSHING OUR OWN DEMANDS at 202-224-3121 that bars illegal aliens from the health care insurance "exchange" YOUR VOICE IS MAKING AN IMMENSE DIFFERENCE TO HOW THE POLITICIANS VOTE? WARN THEM OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING PUBLIC OPINION.

Other pieces of relevant information contributing to the dilemma of US legal population: House Members Urge President to Enforce Immigration Laws to Lower Unemployment.  Friends of Arizona Businesses with Illegal Workers Take E-Verify Law to Supreme Court  Senate Census allows to Count Illegal Aliens for Congressional Districting . CBO Says New Health Care Bill Would Cover 2.5 Million More Illegal Aliens.  Sen. Reid Kills E-Verify Amendment to Unemployment extension Bill.  Pro-Enforcement Candidates win in Virginia and New Jersey.   68% of Americans Oppose Sanctuary Cities and States

You can learn about the corruption and incompetence of lawmakers at NUMBERSUSA.  Court cases, political sleaze and immigration non-enforcement at JUDICIAL WATCH. How population growth will effect future generations at CAPSWEB. SAY NO BLANKET AMNESTY!

I agree with what Tom (Mead, CO) wrote. Healthcare legislation is a battle that the Democrats can't afford to lose. If the corporate Democrats (or independents) like Lieberman shoot this down--which has become the signature issue of the party, there needs to be some purging of the party after the 2010 elections.  People did not elect a Democratic president, House, and Senate NOT to get a Democratic healthcare bill.  Quite the contrary.  

I applaud Nancy Pelosi for disciplining the House Democrats enough to uphold their share of the bargain.  Harry Reid needs to do the same with Senate Democrats.  I am sure that he and Pres. Obama are behind the scenes telling the "blue dogs" that there will be a price to be paid for caucus members who torpedo healthcare reform.  Democratic failure to get a decent bill passed will be the major thing that Republicans run on in 2010, since most of them seem to want no reform at all.  If the Democrats go into the 2010 elections without at least one major legislative success, they almost certainly will lose a notable share of their congressional majorities.  

Bottom line: if failure on healthcare reform results from the machinations of corporate Democrats, then the party is due for a good house-cleaning post-2010 election cycle.

There's only ONE reason Democrats allow Lieberman to jerk them around WHILE Chairing Dem committees - his ties to AIPAC, the Israel Lobby.
Obama and Hillary both supported Lieberman in the 2006 primary Connecticut Senate race, speaking at rallies and holding fundraisers. When Lamont won - Lieberman changed his party affiliation to the Joe Lieberman Party of Connecticut and ran as an Independent.
Obama nor the Clintons were very active during the general....the Clintons hosted a small fundraising party for Lamont - and Obama sent an email supporting Lamont to about 5,000 CT Dems during the LAST WEEK of the campaign.

Disgusting!  but Obama and Hillary needed the blessing of AIPAC during their forthcoming prez runs.
So - they couldn't do too much publicly for Lamont.

If the democrats really want to show that they care about the less fortunate, they should do 2 things:

1.  When they passed the bill to extend unemployment benefits, they added legislation to give home buyers (not first time) $6500 tax credit for buying another house. They need to remove that piece of the bill.  How does that help those less fortunate?  The less fortunate are not buying houses.  They could have used that money to contribute to insurance for those less fortunate.
2.  Agree to pay what the average American is paying for health care for the amount of coverage the average American is getting, while they are in government AND after they retire (for themselves and their families).  It's so easy to give away other's people's money when there is no cost to you.  Put their money where their mouths are.

Heck, they will probably vote for a huge tax increase, then once it passes, vote themselves a pay raise.

Small but sophisticated interest groups use big political battles to gain special advantages. Health care reform is, of course, the biggest battle of them all, with trillions of dollars at stake.

On Saturday night with the House vote in favor of the health reform bill, the trial lawyers sliced themselves a nice little piece of that bonanza.

It's Section 2531 of the bill -- to be precise Section 2531(4)b -- and it provides as follows:

The new health bill will empower the Secretary of Health and Human Services to make grants to states that reform their medical malpractice systems. There are just two conditions: Those reforms must not "limit attorneys' fees or impose caps on damages."

Which is like saying that we're going to encourage you to develop a personal weight loss plan that includes neither exercise nor changes in diet.

Here's how Section 2531 works. Over the past decade and a half, states have reacted to abusive lawsuits by imposing various restrictions on personal injury awards.

In California, pain and suffering damages cannot exceed $250,000. Attorneys may collect no more than 15 percent of malpractice awards over $600,000.

The impact of these kinds of reforms can be dramatic. After Texas capped pain and suffering damages at $750,000 in 2003, the number of malpractice lawsuits dropped abruptly. Lawsuits in Harris County (Houston and environs) plunged by 50 percent.

Fewer lawsuits meant lower malpractice premiums. Texas' largest malpractice insurance carrier cut costs to doctors by 17 percent. Lower insurance premiums attracted more medical professionals to the state. In the 1990s, Texas ranked low in the nation in the number of doctors per person. In the four years after 2003, the number of doctors in the state jumped by 18 percent.

"It was hard to believe at first, we thought it was a spike," the executive director of the states' medical board told the New York Times.

Texas' experience is dramatic, but consistent, with other reforming states. States with damage caps gain more doctors than uncapped states -- and the difference is greatest in the most underserved counties within capped states. Capped states have 5.5 percent more OB-GYNs per person in their rural counties than do states without caps.

But the money saved by insurers, doctors and their customers is money subtracted from the pockets of trial lawyers -- and those lawyers carry real clout in the Democratic Congress.

The trial lawyers' national PAC, the American Association for Justice, was the second-biggest source of PAC dollars for Democratic candidates in the 2006 election year: almost $2.6 million.


This from a piece posted on CNN.com ... Looks like more proof the democrats are in bed with the trial lawyers AND the insurance industry...now all of them will make more money...oh, and from honest Americans wallets...welcome to communism, And corrupt communism at that.

"The Democrats sent "elements of a bill" to the CBO.  What a freakin' waste of taxpayers' money and time.  Come up with "a bill" first - - in its entirety, let the public view it for 5 days, let the deabte ensue, and THEN vote on it.  Why is that so freakin' hard?  
Linda, MI (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:49 PM)"

Linda,

The reason they won't do that and didn't is they want to HIDE.  they hid behind a process, then they hid the bill, the cost, and the vote.  why do you think they did the vote over a weekend when most folks aren't paying attention.  Welcome to communism boys and girls...next they will decide to charge 10 bucksper/with a tax hamburgers because they think you might get fat off them...preventive medicine! When your Government can dip into your wallet each time THEY feel it is necessary to the greater good, then what kind of State does that put us in?  Loss of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.  Start getting aware...communism beckons.

KJ - Orlando: '...Time for a little Tea Liberals? Do you take one lump, or six?...'

Make it none !!

So the Tea Baggers are gonna 'Goose Step' their way into our hearts ??

How effective have they been so far ?
They wanted to 'kill the bill'

In your face !!
It must SUCK to be a Tea Bagger !!

Great Jobn in the NY-23 congressional race !!

HA ! HA !!

 I find it hard for the Dems to get anything done with the Reps just saying No! They offer nothing else that will help out he ordinary US citizen. All they want is for the Health Care Industry to continue to line their pockets. What do they care!!! They have the best health care the Taxpayer can buy!! Nothing comes out of their pocket. If they can delay long enough then it will look as though Obama couldn't get it done. We the people are not as blind as the GOP thinks we are. They will continue their decent and will soon join the WIGs and be as extinct as the Do do bird..

From an earlier post:
Just a thought...What does a democrat really mean when they claim the Health Care Bill will make health care "affordable???  Ohhh!!!.."Tax the rich!"...which always works out well for the little guy...right?

I look at it this way...if you want socialist benefits...go live in a socialist country, like France, and leave the USA alone!
clarkohrepub
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Clarkohrepub, um, this is not single payer health care insurance like other "socialist" countries, i.e., France.

Secondly, my boss and his wife really enjoyed thier $978.00 meal at Per Se in New York Saturday night. One of the results of the tax cuts Bush gave the wealthy while adding trillions to the deficit.

Yeah, those tax cuts for the wealthy really made life great for the middle class! It also haelped when they repealed the last of the regulations in 2002 resulting in predatory lending so Wall Streeet could open their casino and run their mob racket until they caused the complete meltdown of the economy.

STOP listening to the entertainment division of the republican party and the republican party leadership. They are lying to you. They are laughing all the way out to the dinner that costs more than most of us make in a week and to the bank while you and the rest of their zombie followers defend their tax cuts.

They are maiking a fool out of you.
GS, PA (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 2:32 PM)

Hey GS, PA ...

You make enough of a fool of yourself.  A tax cut to the rich...IT IS THEIR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.  NOT THE FREAKING GOVERNMENTS..WHEN ARE YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS GOING TO WAKE UP?  TAXES ARE YOUR MONEY THAT THE GOVERNMENT TAKES TO USE FOR SH#T AND OCCASIONALLY GIVES BACK TO YOU.  Any of you morons that defend the Government taking other peoples money as ok, better start looking to your own wallets...once they pass this Bill and can't really pay for it...they'll be after your money with more taxes next...I mean mostly it is for people that can't buy insurance now right so YOU, if you can are the rich to them. The politically stupid in this Country is amazing. follow your Party right off the Cliff and take all of us down with you.

Dear stupid as a dumbocrate.

If you get your healthcare from your employer like the majority of us - get ready for a surprise!
Everyone pays the same regardless of whether they are fat, skinny, smart or dumb. The same amount comes out of your paycheck if you select the same plan.

My guess is that you don't have a job so you don't know.....
Paul , Florida (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 2:36 PM)
 I pay for my own stupid. I am self employed. I don’t have high blood pressure of high cholesterol mainly because of my life style and yes it does keep my premiums down. You have just proved the old saying about assuming. You just made an arse out of yourself.

Brittanicus, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 2:48 PM)

The misplaced fear (and fear mongering) of illegal immigrants is as wrong now as was Hitler's misplaced fear (and fear mongering) of Jews.

Give it a rest, please!

ckaster, biloxi, MS (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 3:15 PM)

It was a public opinion piece, by a member of the Bush administration. You McCarthyists really are amazing!

Time for a little Tea Liberals? Do you take one lump, or six?

KJ - Orlando (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:38 PM)

Bring it on KJ, it worked for you so well last time.

The Democratic bill bankrupts the country. The Republican alternative does NOT do that, by the way.

Eddie F., NJ (Sent Monday, November 09, 2009 1:43 PM)

BTW Eddie, the CBO says the Republican plan adds twice as much to the deficit as the Democrats, there you go lying again. "better to be thought stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

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