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First thoughts: Obama's four options

Posted: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:20 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** Obama’s four options: On this Veterans Day, at 2:30 pm ET, President Obama meets with his national security team for the eighth and possibly final time to discuss what to do in Afghanistan. Obama received two new options yesterday, in addition to the other two that had been debated for some time, and all of them increase the number of troops there. On the low end, one option (supported by Vice President Biden) sends an additional 10,000 to 15,000. On the high end is a proposal for the 40,000 to 44,000 troops that Gen. McChrystal has requested. As NBC's Savannah Guthrie first reported last night, Defense Secretary Gates supports a middle option of sorts that gives McChrystal nearly all he wants -- but not quite. And today’s New York Times adds that Joint Chiefs Chairman Mullen and Secretary of State Clinton also back that middle proposal.


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: President Obama meets with his war team amid reports he's made a decision to add tens of thousands of troops to Afghanistan, reports the White house denies.

*** The clock is ticking: Obama’s decision is likely to come at the end of Thanksgiving week or the week after. But the calendar is a real factor here: If the president orders all the troops McChrystal wants, it still will take more than a year to get them in to the country. But McChrystal said in his report that “failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term (next 12 months) … risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible.” Bottom line: The president doesn't like his options; it's why he keeps asking for more plans from his military advisers. Notice that in his Fort Hood speech yesterday, he was careful to link Pakistan and Afghanistan together. Obama believes the focus of the war effort in Afghanistan should be regional and tactical and about al Qaeda and other extremists. By constantly linking Afghanistan and Pakistan together, the administration is sending the message it is NOT in the business of nation-building. And now the key players in the White House are even more skeptical of their partner in Afghanistan (read: Karzai). One gets the sense if the president would love to figure out a way to use this moment to fundamentally change the perception of what America is doing in the region.

*** The speech at Fort Hood: As for Obama’s remarks yesterday at Fort Hood, it could very well be a speech that’s going to be remembered and quoted for some time. It struck the right balance of commander-in-chief and consoler-in-chief, which isn’t easy. And it's always a greater challenge for a president who did not wear the uniform to honor those who have. The president also seemed to touch on the Muslim issue without dwelling on it. Again, it was a difficult balance -- but one that was necessary in this current climate. Meanwhile, the real headaches for the administration are beginning to come into focus as various government entities begin the CYA process. Today alone, there seems to be a fair share of finger-pointing over who knew what about Hasan's contacts with a radical cleric. These stories all have the potential to become political land mines. Because of that don't be surprised if, in short order, we see some blue-ribbon panel/investigation body or something get convened.

*** The Race for 60: On health care, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday that he plans to bring his bill to the floor next week. But that will be the easy part. As a top Democrat in the Senate told NBC’s David Gregory, "Everyone in the caucus realizes that we have to pass a bill, but no one can quite figure out the path [to 60]." The two more contentious matters: the public option and abortion. That said, Bill Clinton’s Capitol Hill visit must have paid dividends after Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) said this, per the Washington Post: Nelson, “the only Democrat who has yet to support bringing a bill to the Senate floor, noted that Clinton appealed to lawmakers not to expect their ideological ideal. ‘He said you need to pass the best bill that you can,’ Nelson said. ‘Getting the best bill is not only good for the people, it's good politics -- and it's that simple.’” 

*** Two strategies for Reid: Here's something to ponder: What's the better strategy for Reid -- calling the bluff of Nelson/Lincoln/Lieberman/Snowe and seeing how intent they are in filibustering (so Reid can placate those on the left), or avoiding that PUBLIC moment and negotiating behind the scenes to a point that gets those centrists on board? There's a divide among some, but don't be surprised if Reid goes the public route (as it's the best way to show the left that he did everything he could do), then goes back to the trigger to move it out of the Senate. What's Reid got to lose doing that? Who knows, maybe Nelson/Lieberman/Lincoln/Snowe come aboard earlier than expected…

*** Tied in Ohio: Was there a Republican honeymoon post-Election Day '09? Perhaps. Back in September, a Quinnipiac poll had Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) with a 10-point lead over likely challenger John Kasich (R), 46%-36%. Well, a new Quinnipiac survey now has Strickland and Kasich tied at 40% each. What’s more, the poll has Strickland’s approval at 45%, his lowest score ever in this survey. As we’ve said before, this isn’t a good time to be an incumbent governor. Looking ahead to next year’s midterms -- and also the 2012 presidential race -- one thing to watch will be to see how Democratic Govs. Strickland (in Ohio), Ritter (in Colorado), and Culver (in Iowa) all fare next year. All three states, remember, are red ones that Obama carried last year.

*** Helping the GOP’s recruiting pitch: In addition, Republicans today are likely to seize on a new Gallup poll showing them with a four-point edge on the 2010 generic ballot test. Our NBC/WSJ poll last month had Dems with an eight-point advantage. The Quinnipiac and Gallup surveys couldn't have come at a better time for the GOP, as they put the final sale on prospective candidates for the House, in particular. There are many House GOP leaders who would truly like to make a run at the majority in 2010, but they need more quality candidates in more races. A poll like this is a boost to their sales pitch.

*** Tracking the stimulus: Don’t miss MSNBC.com’s brand-new application tracking the stimulus.

*** Obama on Veterans Day: In addition to his meeting on Afghanistan, President Obama and the first lady host a Veterans Day breakfast at the White House at 9:05 am ET. Then the two head over to Arlington National Cemetery to participate in a wreath-laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns at 11:00 am, and the president will deliver remarks 25 minutes later. Also today, Vice President Biden hosts a lunch for veterans and servicemembers at the Naval Observatory at noon.

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Today being Veteran’s Day – I want to start by thanking all of our Vet’s past & present for their selfless service & sacrifices made by them on behalf of our Country!

Looks like the tea baggers are ‘gearing’ up for round two of their Klan rallies er… I mean town halls!  The first round worked out so WELL for them… lol lol lol  

Nothing like a couple dozen old angry racist white people who are already sucking off the evil ‘Socialized’ system to get ya motivated now is there?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29378.html

I mean last Thursday’s hate fest was such a screaming success that Jon Stewart BUSTED Sean Insanity last night for once AGAIN fudging the numbers! Whoops!

Maybe once they get over being ‘technologically challenged’ they’ll quit making asses out of themselves… Yeah…LIKE that COULD happen… lol lol lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/jon-stewart-catches-sean_n_353447.html

You can’t get MUCH more ‘fair & balanced’ than that right!  Right?  lol lol lol
Obama's 2008 Campaign Slogan: "Hope and Change!"

Obama's 2012 Campaign Slogan: "You Will Comply!!"
It's obvious health care will not be signed by Obama before the end of the year. The White House must shift the public timetable now to avoid what will surely be endless questions over how realistic the old "by Christmas" mandate is

http://www.political-buzz.com/
From yesterday...

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Ok, so I'm going to piss some people off, but we need to look at this rationally, emotion removed.  

When 90% of homicides committed with hand guns are committed by blacks, the lefties will call this a racist statement, however it's just a statistical fact, or was, when I wrote the paper on gun control in college.  The rub was, if you want to stop hand gun violence, then ban blacks from purchasing and owning hand guns, thus 90% of the problem is solved, however, as I'm not an emotional driven Lefty, and I know that banning guns is a knee-jerk and rather futile effort and I'm not a proponent of banning guns, but math is math.  Same goes here.  When 90% or whatever percent of terrorist attacks, where ever in the world they occur, are committed by Muslims, then it would stand to reason, the Muslim faith is the largest contributing factor to global
terrorism......come on Lefties....I can almost hear, that OMG's, and no, he didn't just post this......

Let's ban Muslims from the United States of America, beginning with the one in the White House!


Patriot, KY (Sent Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:29 PM)

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Just a little reactionary, there, aren't you, Slappy?

As soldier who is a Muslim opens fire on a military base so let's ban all Muslims from the United States...

...and all you have to do is dismantle everyone's First Amendment rights to make it happen.

So, if you can't read or say what you want or hang out where and with whom you want and if you can't worship freely or even exercise the right to believe in no god at all...

...there's a "Patriot" in Kentucky who's all in favor of that!
Lyndsey Graham Went Fishing:

Over the weekend the House passed its version of the HCR bill and Monday morning Senator Graham cast out a line: The House HCR bill with the Public is DOA in the Senate.  The media hit that bait like a wide-mouth bass. Graham’s one liner was on Huffington, Politico, Daily Beast, Fox, and places I won’t bother to mention.

My sense was that Graham wanted to dampen the excitement over the House’s passage of the bill and he thought that one liner would do the trick. I bring this up because it is a non-story. Political junkies know the Senate will likely pass a more conservative bill. There was absolutely no news here but the media has to fill cyber and air space.

In an effort to fill space, the media will write and say almost anything. Last nights stories posted on Politico were:”Will abortion kill health care?” “GOP tries to recapture town hall anger.” and “Hey, that’s me on TV”. And yesterday FR called President Obama “Healer-in-Chief” and past President Clinton “Bubba”. Today, President Clinton is again referred to as “Bubba”. Tacky to say the least!

Then I hear that Rupert Murdock has urged the Washington Post editor to “Destroy Barack Obama”. What a pathetic, un-American man!

The point of these ramblings is that the media (outside Fox) is subtly shaping the news and writing comments that are no more valid that what I read from FR bloggers. When I comment that pundits are correct only half the time it is because they are standing inside the beltway only see trees, yet they are in the middle of a forest.

Commentators should be like referees. They officiate the game, but not become part of the game. Maybe my expectations are too high. Maybe this is the new way of doing business. Maybe when the media sees a line with a bait on the end…they leave it alone. Maybe that’s wishful thinking on my part.

Jody: Sorry about your Hawkeyes—go after those Buckeyes
Anita: Welcome back.
Thank you to all the brave men and women who risk everything for this country.

You are appreciated.

God's blessings to you all, and to your long suffering families.
Events keep proving the theory that GOP = Taliban on Women Rights and Ideology.

On another note, 'black eye' for so-called pundits.  2 weeks ago ABC broke news that they confirmed from 'reliable' sources that new Afghan policy will be announced before Nov 11.  These guys do not have a clue about what is really going on.  Do they?

How about the breaking news that Fox used video footage of 9/12 protests as footage for last week's GOP 'protests'?  What a disgrace to the Media.
Bill Clinton told the Democrats to swallow hard

Bill Clinton told the Democratic Senators to pass any bill given to them

Because it would be fixed later .

But the Democrats were only reminded of the blood bath that happened

To the Dems during the 1993 elections under Clinton

Special thanks to all of those (left or right) who have served this country.  We all owe you a debt of gratitude.

As for politics, interesting that the Republicans have taken the lead in the generic ballot question.  That's good in my book.  I personally would like to see the GOP take back some part of Congress.  I am fairly young, and the best economic times I can remember were when we had a Dem President and Republican Congress.  Something about split government that myself, and I think a lot of others, prefer.

Excellent job of providing comfort by President Obama yesterday.  And to me, he genuinely showed emotion, which I think is a very good thing in a speech like that.  (And you thought a conservative couldn't say something good about him!)  ;-)
First Read writes: The two more contentious matters: the public option and abortion.

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Good job liberals!! Bring it on out, you DO want to pay for abortions right? Goodness you're making next November easy. Go ahead, pass government funded abortion, you've already shaved off the oldsters with you $500 Billion cut to Medicare, now go after the unborn. My,my,my how many votes do you think the liberal media gets anyway? You're being rejected at warp speed by the American people so cuddle up with the sycophants.

FR: A second stimulus? "Senate Democrats will take up a new job-creation bill in the wake of the 10.2 percent unemployment rate.

But, but, but, . . . ,the first one worked so well! Why do we need another one?

This simply delicious. Never in my wildest dreams would I think it would be so much fun to see the Republicans out of power and all of the power and TOUGH DECISIONS to be made by the Lefties. They seem to be quite adept at shooting themselves in the foot. Grab some popcorn Conservatives, 2010 is going to be OUR YEAR as these liberal imbeciles trip over their themselves and put the right back in power next fall.
"But, we have to do something!!!"
Hope and Change are in Flames!

+ 13 men and women are slaughtered at Ft. Hood and mounting evidence shows a PC U.S. Army aided and abetted al Qaeda.
+ Americans are so broke they fear spending $1.2 trillion for health reform will cripple their great grand kids, and grand babies.
+ Speaker Pelosi has just un-leashed millions of rabid pro-abortion lefties to muzzle 40 yappy pro-life blue dogs.
+ Unemployment is a serial killer blackmailing for more stimulus money and promising to slash wing-tipped political throats.
+ Democrats act giddy after losing two big state governors and narrowly winning NY23, but not against any real republican.
+ Blue state Independents are fleeing liberal rule in historic numbers and trampling town hall's everywhere and making them blood red.
+ The current president is trapped in a sticky web of unmasked illusions and inescapable lies unspun by his oily alter ego.
+ In 2010 and 2012 the GOP may rise again from the ranks of W's rotting undead to bury Obama's Id.

...does that about sum it up? Well, yes it does!

(And you thought a conservative couldn't say something good about him!)  ;-)

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA (Sent Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:34 AM)
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But you're not a 'typical' conservative in the sense you're reasonable and able to think for yourself!

Thanks much Grimey for your kind words towards the President!

Ps:  Hope the little ones enjoyed their Halloween & didn't sweat too much!  ;0)
Abortion is just like Botox treatments, LASIK eye surgery, and a nose-job. All are cosmetic, optional, have nothing to do with a persons health. And if someone wants one, they can pay for it out of their own pocket. Imagine that, welfare money for killing unborn children. That is so disgusting and nobody wants to pay for that. Stay classless and immoral Democrats, you'll make 2010 way too easy.
Thank You to all of the veteran's that have served and who are currently serving our country.
You are our greatest treasure!
Americans were more pessimistic about the direction of the country. They disapproved of Obama's handling of the economy. And, perhaps most striking for this novice commander in chief, more people have lost confidence in Obama on Iraq and Afghanistan over the last month.

Why not recognize the terrorist attack in Fort Hood for what it was, a terrorist attack on our country instead of tip toeing around it trying to be PC? It happened. Stop the denial of the facts. More of this type of terrorist will be shown to be in the ranks as well.
It's obvious health care will not be signed by Obama before the end of the year. The White House must shift the public timetable now to avoid what will surely be endless questions over how realistic the old "by Christmas" mandate is.

matt


Obama and the Democrats have an out. They said it would be done by Christmas, but not what year.
There's an out-of-control fire.  We need to send a firetruck.  But, the fire chief wants more options.
Clinton said "You need to pass the best bill that you can".

Then that would be no bill at all. The government cannot manage something as large and diverse as health care. Why the Democrats think they can is a mystery. It probably comes from too many years inside the beltway.
Time to go back to your districts and states Democrats! Time to have a spot of tea with your constituents at some town hall meetings. They have something they want to tell you.
BRENDA COLLINS (9:40)

We can't believe you called the Democrats classless and immoral.

Your grade is A+. Go to the head of the class.


Full Moon
Bad Moon
Monkberry Moon ... and the rest.

Tuesday’s  Follies…..

And the shtick about the ‘children & grandchildren’ is rapidly growing tiresome!

-As has Obama and company in only a few short months! (See below)

Let me ask… did your grandparents leave your parents a ‘perfect’ world?  Did YOUR parents leave YOU a ‘perfect’ world?

-No, but then again, they didn’t try to screw my future like Obama is doing to our kids now did they?

I am proud to have served in our nations's armed forces on this Veterans Day!
Why not recognize the terrorist attack in Fort Hood for what it was, a terrorist attack on our country instead of tip toeing around it trying to be PC? It happened. Stop the denial of the facts. More of this type of terrorist will be shown to be in the ranks as well.

Josh Larson, FL (Sent Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:42 AM)

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Okay, Josh, as the "expert" who is so sure that there are more of "this type of terrorist" in the ranks, what would you suggest we do?
Not an expert as you suggest, just a blogger much like yourself Pete. Happy Veterans Day.
*** Obama’s four options ***

So that noise Obama put out on Monday, that he had come to a decision on Afghanistan, it was all nonsense you're saying? On Monday it was Obama was sending McCrystal what he wanted. Now on Wednesday, Obama has "4 options". Then you wonder why Iran and North Korea don't respect Obama (still waiting on those "tough sanctions" you're going to put on those countries Obama!). Obama can certainly dither with the best of them.
Veteran's Day. Time has a way of making a conflict political. When my generation returned from the Jungle we had to deal with many preconcieved notions. To the far left we were "murderers"and to the R.E.M.F.'s down at the VFW hall we "lost". This resulted in a sense of social disconnect for many parts of which I know that I have never gotten over.We find ourselves in the midst of 2 more protracted conflicts that have become political. It's that time thing again. All I want to remind folks of both sides is please don't do this again to another generation. These are your sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They are the kid down the street that you watched play football and the young ladies that cheered for them.They have seen and done some things that no human should be forced to witness and that is going to change them some. But in thier hearts they are the same young men and women that just went and did thier job to the best of thier ability. Hold whatever political belief you want(I and they went to make sure you have that right) but please find it somewhere in your heart to honor thier sacrifice and especially those members that only make it home with a somber escort.
A special thanks to our Military of today and yesterday for keeping our country safe, God Bless you all!
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Come around more often when you have time… We still haven’t heard from Eric either!!!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
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Feisty, you’ve got the pegged right! Lol, Lol! I’ve been reading the comments at night on the blog. What a sorry bunch of stupidity they are.  I can’t wait to cross Dick; I’ll have his butt for a snack! Lol! I too have noticed that Eric hasn’t posted in quite a while as well…I hope that he’s fairing well. Feisty, the re-thugs think that we are the same person, because they never post their real names. One person uses several other names to give the appearance of multiple disgust with this administration; when in reality…they are truly shrinking to zilch.  Lol!

Tim, I saw your shout out—I’ve missed you all, but I m still hanging in there. Business has been great. Stay well.

Glad to see you Anita been wondering where you were
Indepedent Redneck Va.

Have a great day everyone!!
Bush's Social Security reform failed because of a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Bush was a big boy about it, cut his loses, and moved on. Not so with Obama though. The current Cry Baby in Chief just cannot let it go. The House members were on the opposite sides of the fence with the vote being won by two, count them, two votes. The Senate is even more divided. But yet, Obama presses on, wasting his time, the countries time.  Now HCR will get filibustered, and you can bet Obama will cry like the baby he is over that fact. Too bad the Senators don't care.
I don't see how people can tie Governor races with House or Senate races.

Governors have to answer for a states problems, and the issues are largly local or statewide.   They don't get sucked into the national debate the way a House or Senate candidate does.

House and Senate candidates don't deal with property taxes or potholes, they deal with the big stuff that is in the news everyday.    

Totally different races.
So, did President Obama's critics ever figure out what his trip to Fort Hood was yesterday?

Was it a "campaign event" or a "vacation"?
Sofa King Wee Todd Did

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Obama played 9 holes right after the memorial, so we'll put it down under "Field Research".
November 11, 2009
Republicans Edge Ahead of Democrats in 2010 Vote
Registered voters prefer Republicans for the House, 48% to 44%
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Republicans have moved ahead of Democrats by 48% to 44% among registered voters in the latest update on Gallup's generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, after trailing by six points in July and two points last month.

As was the case in last Tuesday's gubernatorial elections, independents are helping the Republicans' cause. In the latest poll, independent registered voters favor the Republican candidate by 52% to 30%. Both parties maintain similar loyalty from their bases, with 91% of Democratic registered voters preferring the Democratic candidate and 93% of Republican voters preferring the Republican."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx
I'm not quibbling with your contention that Chet Culver is an incumbent in jeopardy in the 2010 elections, but I don't think you can say that Iowa is a red state when the only time it has voted for the Republican presidential candidate since the 1988 election was in 2004.  Iowa may not be a deep blue state, but it's not a red state.  Nebraska and Kansas are red states.
*** The clock is ticking: Obama’s decision is likely to come at the end of Thanksgiving week or the week after. But the calendar is a real factor here: If the president orders all the troops McChrystal wants, it still will take more than a year to get them in to the country. But McChrystal said in his report that “failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term (next 12 months) …

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Obama has 1) Dithered away the time, 2) Filibustered his own decision, and 3) Voted Present, all on one issue! Obama has hit the trifecta!
Hats off to all who took up the call,who put country before self.There is a spot in Heaven,for the brave,the men and woman that put there lives in harms way and did there jobs no matter how hard it was.Many lost all,many still suffer the affects of war,some sleep under bridges,and eat at free meal give aways,they need our help,make a food donation,give a blanket,or jacket,so many need a hand of friendship,and a shoulder to lean on.
SPINELESS

It's all on you, Obie. No more blaming Bush, who would have made this decision concerning more troops, in a matter of hours.

What you need isn't help from your advisors .... it's a spine. You are cracking under the pressure.
Another sign of weakness in a president who is not capable of running this country, except into the ground.


Palomino
Bad Chihuahua
Fortunate Son ... and the rest.
They left out a third "contentious matter" regarding the health bills: ILLEGAL immigrants.  No coverage for them!!
November 11, 2009
Republicans Edge Ahead of Democrats in 2010 Vote
Registered voters prefer Republicans for the House, 48% to 44%
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Republicans have moved ahead of Democrats by 48% to 44% among registered voters in the latest update on Gallup's generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, after trailing by six points in July and two points last month.

As was the case in last Tuesday's gubernatorial elections, independents are helping the Republicans' cause. In the latest poll, independent registered voters favor the Republican candidate by 52% to 30%. Both parties maintain similar loyalty from their bases, with 91% of Democratic registered voters preferring the Democratic candidate and 93% of Republican voters preferring the Republican."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx
Bing Censored? (Sent Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03 AM)

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The problem with that poll is that it is what it says it is...a generic ballot.

The poll looks at the incumbents against nameless, faceless and positionless candidates.

Candidates matter...start giving us names and faces and positions and then show me who is winning.
So many of the lefties around here are so predictable.  They fixate on search and destroy missions (emphasis on destroy) that seek to diminish the credibility  of those who do not share their point of view. That approach is often amusing since it reveals the contortions they go through to parse a post so they can extract just the meaning they seek to further their misguided agenda.

But it’s also disquieting because it betrays the rigidity of an ideology that does not tolerate critical examination of administration policies that would push us further down the road to fiscal ruination.  Their central argument boils down to ‘Bush started it, so it’s OK for Obama to keep on doing it.’  Using that logic, all things are possible for these people and the fiscal consequences be damned.

That’s one big reason why those of us on the right are so firmly opposed to those who would sacrifice fiscal discipline on the altar of leftist ideology.  And that’s why we need to ignore the noise and maintain our clarity of purpose in defeating policies that would do us more harm than good.  Doing otherwise would be our bad.
A depressing story in today's New York Times about healthcare in Maine. I didn't realize my state was so bad off. (Well, I know lots of people without health insurance, but I didn't know we were worse off than other states.)

I could not listen to the President's speech, but I read the transcript. I hope the people at the memorial service were comforted, as that was the point. I did like that Obama quoted Lincoln regarding the fact we don't expect God to be on our side, but we strive to be on God's side. Beautiful.
I get tired of all the Botox jokes and comments, but you gotta admit-
These babies are truly 'pendulous', aren't they?
I see the socialist teabggers are going to do some more rallies...too funny that so many of them are on the government dole through medicare, socialist security and various federal and military retirement programs but yet they are whining about government spending...

Take a look teabaggign socialists, 70% of federal spending goes to programs that support you....thats where any cuts should come from.
FR--By constantly linking Afghanistan and Pakistan together, the administration is sending the message it is NOT in the business of nation-building. And now the key players in the White House are even more skeptical of their partner in Afghanistan (read: Karzai). One gets the sense if the president would love to figure out a way to use this moment to fundamentally change the perception of what America is doing in the region.
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That's right! We are not in the business of nation building! Our military personnel are not security guards. I am grateful that he (the president) is not falling for the entrapment of stupidity. The stupidity of committing our armed forces to a country that is playing bait and switch.

The concentration of strategy of our forces should be well thought out and acted upon with precise force and deadly intent (it’s called war). We do what we need to do and get the hell out without committing our Nation to the "black hole" of Nation destroyers. After all, that's what our enemies will expect us to do. They will continue to attempt to draw our Nation further into their region.

Hind sight should be 20/20 vision.

Veteran's Day.  We should all pause to remember their sacrifices and continued service.

I realize our troops are stretched thin and adding more requires much shifting, and training but it seems unreasonable that it should take a full year to get them to Afghanistan.  Unfortunately, the primary reason is there are no fresh troops available after 8 years and two wars.  No matter what decision Pres Obama makes, there will be the usual critics voicing the opposite.

Heard last night that the e-mails to the extremist Islamic terrorists took place in 2008, that even though we're hearing from former coworkers now that he was odd, etc., no one had reported it to their superiors, that his evaluations did not contain anything negative.  It is important that the investigation be completed and I question the wisdom of the constant speculation by one analyst after another.  We can surmise some issues but we do not have all the facts.  One can hope that this man was not kept in the military simply because they were stretched to the breaking point and needed his medical skills.

Despite the media chatter, I don't think any of the democrats will block a cloture vote; they may not vote for the final bill but they won't kill the bill either.  

Lieberman.  Last fall after Joe Lieberman's campaigning for McCain and often nasty comments about Pres Obama, many democrats wanted him thrown out of his chairmanship but Pres Obama stepped in and "turned the other cheek".  The other night listening to the discussion of his continued threat to filibuster, I realized that Pres Obama probably felt that Lieberman could not be trusted and also knew that he valued his Homeland Security Chairmanship--once again Obama was ten steps ahead of the rest.  That chairmanship is leverage for Lieberman's vote for cloture.  If he had lost his chairmanship last fall, Pres Obama and the democrats would have no bargaining chip with him.

Chel sea NYNY.  Believe what you must but it doesn't alter the truth or the facts about Bush/Cheney and company and Iraq.  Clinton was invited to the weekly democratic luncheon, it's free speech for him to discuss health care with fellow democrats.  Free speech is what republicans claim when defending Cheney et al; unpatriotic is what republicans called democrats when they dared to criticize them about anything related to the wars.  Remember free speech applies to both sides of the aisle, not just one.  Have a nice day.
How fun to spectate as the various cheerleaders here regurgitate their respective party lines with nary a shred of intellectual curiosity or skepticism. In particular;
"But you're not a 'typical' conservative in the sense you're reasonable and able to think for yourself!"

If only you could see the dripping irony in your statement...
Not an expert as you suggest, just a blogger much like yourself Pete. Happy Veterans Day.
Josh Larson, FL (Sent Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:52 AM)

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Hey, dude, you were the one who made the statement that there are more terrorists in our Armed Forces, so the question to you remains...

...what do we do?
Feisty, you’ve got the pegged right! Lol, Lol! I’ve been reading the comments at night on the blog. What a sorry bunch of stupidity they are.  I can’t wait to cross Dick; I’ll have his butt for a snack!

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

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Liberals are just like their hero Obama. All talk and full of hot air. Telling people what they are going to do, any never doing it. That fits Obie and his little followers to a tee.
But you're not a 'typical' conservative in the sense you're reasonable and able to think for yourself!

Thanks much Grimey for your kind words towards the President!

Ps:  Hope the little ones enjoyed their Halloween & didn't sweat too much!  ;0)
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Sent Wednesday, November 11, 2009
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But you are a "typical" whining liberal,Fruity. However it is good that you were able to wipe the spittle and drool that comes out of your nasty little (or big)vile mouth as you scream and yell out your inane rants long enough to say something nice about someone.
There is a fine line between being thoughtful and confused. Obama seems to be the latter more often then not.


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