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Healthcare debate Tuesday?

Posted: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:33 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Ken Strickland
If you read somewhere that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could start the healthcare debate on Tuesday, here's the real deal: it's technically possible, but highly unlikely.

Reid says he'll bring the bill to the floor next week. But with the bill not even written and with no cost estimate for it from the Congressional Budget Office, that may seem like an overly optimistic view.

Just as important as CBO estimate and the bill language is the still-unresolved issue of whether Reid can muster the 60 votes he'll need to bring the bill to the floor.

But it's worth noting that Reid has taken a significant step that COULD start the debate on Tuesday if all the stars in the sky align.

On Tuesday of last week, before the Veterans Day recess, Reid started the procedural process to get the bill on the floor. (Avert your gaze here if you don't have the stomach for process.)

Since Reid's bill isn't ready, he's using the House-passed healthcare bill as a placeholder of sorts. To make it available for him to bring to the floor, the Senate clerk has to read the title of the bill two times.

But it can only be read one time per day. (It almost sounds like the tag line of a cheap horror flick: "Say his name three times, and he appears.")

Last week, the House bill got its first reading, when Reid said to the clerk, "It is my understanding that HR 3962 (the House healthcare bill) has been received from the House and is now at the desk."

Then the clerk read the title of the bill -- JUST the title -- for the first time. That's enough to count as the "first reading" on the boards.

Reid is expected to call for a second reading on Monday. So on Tuesday, if he so chose, Reid could ask for "the motion to proceed" to the House healthcare bill.

This is the much-discussed first vote for which Reid currently lacks the votes to break an expected filibuster before debate can begin.

There is really no serious expectation that Reid would move to the House bill without first having his Senate bill ready to go. The Senate bill (with the public option/opt-out) would likely be the first amendment offered "in the form of a substitute," essentially throwing out the House version.

What does it all mean? Not too much.

Simply, Reid is greasing the skids to bring the bill to the floor. Once Reid's bill is ready to go -- anytime after Tuesday -- Reid could attempt to start the debate in earnest. But Democratic aides say that's likely to be later next week.

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Harry Reid needs more health care then he can talk about. Find a medic Harry. Maybe he'll put you out of misery.
FR ". . . it's technically possible, but highly unlikely. "


Odd. That's the same prognosis for ObamaCare Health Care Reform in general.
Harry has shaky hands for someone that's trying to thread the eye of a needle.

Sounds just like the surrender monkey to bring a bill to the floor that hasn't even been written. I am sure he will give everybody 72 hours to read it just like Pelosi promised and the didn't
I hear Lieberman is taking voice lessons, you know, for the pending filibuster.
Arrgh. Appears the health care debate has been scuttled on to yonder rocks! We named that shoal the "Rocks of Lieberman".
I love the wonky procedural stuff.  I find it hard to believe they will start on this before Thanksgiving; but time will tell.

Please refer to my previous post, I don't think Reid has the stones, personally.  I would be making 'em stand up long and loud with all kinds of rich CSPAN camera angles so we can see the mf's hold this up and deny the people the very access to healthcare that they have each insured for themselves for life.  This is the constituent's dream scenario.  So please, don't disappoint us.
PI - Miami - nice job taking the red one down a notch or six..
Talk about jobs while you are at it jerks!

27 MILLION unemployed and underemployed can't wait for the Chosen One to have his December beer summit.
Morris T. (Sent Friday, November 13, 2009 4:33 PM)

And Reagan really couldn't say much; the man was suffering from Alzheimer’s during his second term!! I say that not to be cruel, but it was evident to anyone with a clue, especially when Nancy had to whisper answers in his ear on many occasions!!

So I'll give you Reagan, but only because he was incapable of attacking Clinton!!
What is the matter Barack? No speech at Hiroshima and Nagasaki on your Japan visit? No deep bow of apology for American racism for dropping the A-bomb on the Japanese? I am shocked. Not very P.C. of you.
David, Haymarket, Va: Hillary Clinton's main problem is that she would not compromise.



And that is exactly the mistake Obama and the Democrats are making today. They think they don't need the Republicans, they think they don't need the moderate Democrats. But they do. But the far left loons running the Democratic party will not give an inch on abortion, the public option, nor on a strong government takeover of the health care system. And that will be Obama's and the liberal Democrats downfall this time, just like in '93. America is just not where the very liberal Democratic leaderhip is today. It will be another hard lesson for the liberals to learn, and they probably won't 'get it' this time either.
All the nay sayers were positive that the House version was dead on arrival. Sure, by golly, it was dead as a door nail and that was the end of it. now the insurance companies could do their happy dance and continue to raise costs to sky high levels. But, guess what, it passed and the nay sayers were wrong AGAIN. That will be a similar scenario in the Senate.
Morris T. (Sent Friday, November 13, 2009 4:33 PM)

And Reagan really couldn't say much; the man was suffering from Alzheimer’s during his second term!! I say that not to be cruel, but it was evident to anyone with a clue, especially when Nancy had to whisper answers in his ear on many occasions!!

So I'll give you Reagan, but only because he was incapable of attacking Clinton!!

Pam, San Pedro, California


Show the quotes.

Well folks -- herein lies the proof that our government is all process (and yes, the author has this right -- I've seen this type of procedure conducted routinely in the Senate to meet this same end).  You can start debate on something that isn't even written and has no price tag attached to it by using something that you already know no one in the chamber is really interested in debating -- just because it happens to be on a related subject AND written.

Kinda like having a doctor open you up for surgery without even looking at YOUR (untaken) x-rays (he'll just use someone else's) and without even knowing whether or not the surgery is worth the risk (again, he'll just use someone else's condition to decide).  All in the interest of getting the anticipated surgery started.  What a great idea...

Were it not for the fact that both liberal and conservative political camps do this when they're at the reins, I would have called this another one of those liberal "feeling" thought processes...  The surgery "feels" like the right thing to do, so let's get started -- we'll fill in those crucial little things we call 'details' later.  And why not -- all we have is public time and money...

And you guys REALLY want our government to mettle in your healthcare...?  Very worrisome...
Get the quotes, any quotes, of Bush putting down Clinton. Take your time, you won't find any.
JGreyston, Illinois (Sent Friday, November 13, 2009 4:37 PM)

“When I took office, our economy was beginning a recession.” — Bush, 8/7/02

“In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession.” — Bush, 1/12/09

The National Bureau of Economic Research, which gives the government’s official dictum on recessions, said the “recession” began under President Bush: the economic “expansion that began in March 1991 ended in March 2001 and a recession began.” In fact, before it entered office, the Bush administration was blaming its predecessor for a recession that had not yet begun.

“Do you think we’re on the front edge of a recession?” asked Tim Russert. “I think so,” said Dick Cheney in December 2000.

So STHU!! There is plenty more; do you want it??
Will Harry take the Senate floor and declare that any chance for Health Care Reform has been lost?
We could hope that FR is just kidding us with this information but we know better.  It really is sausage making.

This procedure of reading the name once on two different days is just weird.  Here is Garrison Keillor's version of getting something done in Congress.  "The Founding Fathers intended the Senate to be a fount of wisdom flowing, but when you consider Saxby Chambliss and Jim Bunning, John Ensign, Jim DeMint, James Inhofe, who look as if they've been banged on the head too many times, and the moon-faced Mitch McConnell, your faith in democracy is challenged severely.  Any legislative body in which 41 senators from rural states that together represent 10% of the population can filibuster you to death is going to be flat-footed, on the verge of paralysis, no matter what.  Anytime 10% of the people can stop 90%, it's like driving a bus with a brake pedal for each passenger.  That's why Congress has a public approval rating of 25%."  

Keillor is a democrat but switch names of leaders for whichever party is in the miniority and his thoughts hit the mark.  It is why we keep throwing one party or the other out every few years when what we should be demanding is an overhaul of outdated rules that allows that 10% miniority to keep sticking their fingers in the eyes of the majority who elect them to get something done.
Health is not a commodity which can be delivered by government.  The healthcare bill is another power grab by government to stick its nose in private matters concerning life and death.
http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/
For all our sakes I hope this does not pass.  Public housing, public schools, and public bathrooms, all things none of us would use by choice, I can't imagine that public option medical care would be any better.  The Republicans better watch out though, they're going after the most powerful man in the Senate.

Did someone mention Reagan?  If you want to know what he would have said, look up Reagan Socialized Medicine on YouTube.  It's a speech he made during the black and white days of TV, it's a true now as it was then.  


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