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Chuck, NY — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:21:03 GMT

Sudden thoughts and second thoughts.

If patience is a virtue, than we Obama supporters soon will be rewarded. Honestly, what argument for going on after the Oregon primary on May 20 does Clinton have? At that point Senator Obama will have more than 50% of the pledged delegates.

In a sense, I do not envy the voters of West Virginia and Kentucky right now. I am sure they will vote for Clinton, but then in 5 months they will be asked to vote for Obama. Do you stand firm and vote for Clinton, or begin to show the rest of the party that it is time to rally around Obama?

Why does Clinton get no overwhelming media backlash on her ‘white Americans’ comments and McCain also gets away free with his Reverend Hagge relationship? Obama was skewered and nearly beaten over Rev. Wright. Is race still the big elephant in the room?

Does everyone agree with me that the Obama campaign staff needs to start shaping a new, more presidential message that goes beyond the ‘hope’ and ‘change we can believe’ in message? Maybe something that will glue us through his presidency? Will he knock us over with his acceptance speech, or his Inaugural Address?

Does everyone feel a little better now that the heavy burden of the primary campaign season is nearly over? Keith and Chuck give us a countdown to Inauguration every day. Come on clock, hurry up!!!

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O Canada — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:23:35 GMT

+++++++ Important Question

Could someone out there please explain to me why it is Sen. Clinton quotes an actual Associated Press article where she refers to white working class voters --and is suddenly being accused - from multiple sides - of playing the race card?

When Sen. Obama, who I might ad, was not even quoting any report –simply spoke from his heart - stated ‘typical white people’ in his interview trying to explain his relationship with Rev. Wright – was NOT accused of racist statements. Not only this - but his remarks of “small town, gun totting – bible clinging voters with antipathy toward people who are not like them” IS NOT RACIST? What is up with the double standard? It is OK for Sen. Obama to refer to small town, typical white persons, who cling to guns or their religion with antipathy toward others that are not like them –WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?? And he spoke from the heart when he said this ---he was not quoting anyone like Sen. Clinton had and she is the one accused of playing the race card?

Someone PLEASE explain to me what exactly is up with the double standard here. Has anyone who actually voted for Sen. Obama --read his books? Didn’t think so…

As a Canadian --I am seriously beginning to question to judgments of the American voter. I mean, I understand that your country voted for Bush, not once, but twice but seriously, what’s up with the decision making processes here and the accusations cast upon candidates for political convenience? It is rather disturbing to see.

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Bill, NY — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:25:41 GMT

Here we go: now this morning we'll hear screaming that SNL is unfair and is "in the bag for Obama." It was less than 8 weeks ago that the entire cLinton contingent was praising Lorne Michaels for being the only objective journalist in america besides Fox News. That clinton cool-aid leads to some stunning displays of denial.

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Deb Nase, Oakland, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:30 GMT

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New York Independent — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:28:55 GMT

Why aren't more people asking how taking a campaign from a $100 million headstart to $20 million in debt reflects on a candidate's ability to lead and manage a large enterprise? It's quite stunning when you look at the cold hard facts of what has happened in the past 4 months.

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Steve. NewYork NY — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:30:55 GMT

Hey Chuck and co.

For you the SNL parody may have been a cheap shot. But for us, and the majority of the country, SNL was a breath of fresh air.

I think you guys are stuck in your political world, blasted with e-mails and spin from both camps that you forget to step out of the box and see what the real world sees from the Clintons.

It was BOTH funny and more important TRUE.
I bet that she would not refer to SNL any more.
It's what we've been waiting for the bright minds of the media to say !

Chuck Todd, I can't believe you. Step out of your box for a minute.
Hillary boldy insults African Americans every day, and so do the pundits.
And African Americans do their speaking at the polls.

Remember, this is not 1998, 2000 or 2004.
And the more that people under-estimate and dis-respect Obama , the more he wins !

SNL was spot on. And you know it !

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:32:00 GMT

"Everyone seems to be looking for any little hint into how Clinton is closing this campaign."

I doubt that's true. Maybe a few misguided souls are looking for this, but I think the rest of us have moved on to the general election match-up.

And as for Clinton as second on the ticket, this is another media fabrication. Obama has his own negatives to deal with now, and simply can't afford someone with negatives like she would bring.

I'm thinking Bayh or Sebellius. The latter would be a great pick, but it might look too much like pandering to gender, so probably won't happen. Well, the driving factor would be if the Obama staff doesn't believe her state can be put in play, it won't happen.

The geographic pick is Rendell. The national security pick is less clear - don't think Webb would be good, though he does bring clear national security credentials. Richardson adds a little gravitas on resume, but he loses that when he speaks. I'm still holding out hope for Zinni.

But in the end, probably Bayh - he's youthful but experienced, with a calm, thoughtful demeanor that complements Obama, and there's nothing there to energize Republicans. Besides, Indiana could well be in play.

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Obama/Casey — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:34:36 GMT

Senator Obama has run a clean, upright campaign. He w has won the largest amount of delegates, which is following the rules. He has the right to decide who will be his running mate, regardless of what others think. I am sick to death of the Clinton's and their entitlement mentality. They have lost this time. Go back to the Senate and run another time. I do not want to see clinton anywhere near the democratic ticket. She, by herself, has destroyed all credibility. I want to see Senator Casey, who in my opinion, is the classiest person next to Obama.

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Ross, Kentucky — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:35:55 GMT

I wouldn't know if SNL is trying too hard to win over Obama supporters after being so hard on him earlier in the year because our family refuses to watch the show now. One has to watch in order to be won back by stuff on the program. Perhaps they should start an ad campaign. They're eggs were in the wrong basket!

On a more serious note, any ideas how Hillary will "let Obama off the hook" of selecting her as VP?

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Carter, Jacksonville, FL — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:57 GMT

I did think the SNL skit was weird. They have been so pro-Hillary for so long, I couldn't tell if they were making fun of her or not. They were just so blunt and this was such an about-face. As an Obama supportor to SNL, "It's too late!" They should have kept it even all along. The skit wasn't even clever. It's like they said if we have to make fun of Hillary, we'll make sure it isn't funny.

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Steve. NewYork NY — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:37:24 GMT

First read, Here's some friendly advice.

You guys haven't learnt yet. STOP comparing Obama to former candidates of the past. He is a new brand.
To combat racism and ignorance, he brought in NEWer and Younger voters.
That Genious.
The potential for increase in turnout, with his new GOTV operation is aimed precisely at that.
The more new voters he registers, the less the ignorance in the electorate.
period.
Chuck Todd, this is a challenge to you as the numbers Guru of MSNBC.
Discuss this in one of your blogs.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:38:02 GMT

A big WVA victory is way too little way too late for "Desperate" Hillary to close the widening delegate gap. She had to work on Mother's Day, as they say no rest for the wicked. Her campaign stop at the church where she kept her mouth shut was the smartest bit of campaigning she's done in over two months as she didn't drive up her own negatives while driving up Obama's.

Go Obama 08/12!

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NoMoreHillaryDestructiveBehaviour — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:39:23 GMT

You know if Hillary could face the numerical facts that it would be nearly impossible to win the nomination.SNL would not have said what they did. But when you see what Hillarys Arguement is to continue on well. Like it or not thay hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD. That really seams to be her only claim for staying in this race. Because people are silly enough to believe her arguements and the media pushes her arguements for her. That is the only reason she is still her besides pure selfishness.What will a big win in West Virginia do ? Nothing to change the most important number The Delegate count she wont catch him even with the polled landslide victory . So what is gained talking points of how white people wont vote for him. That kind of talking point is uncalled for. So is her begging for women to vote for her because she is a woman. If Obama had argued either of these points there would be a total outcry from the media. So SNL skit may not have been nice but they actually showed the way Hillary has used any metric to stay in the game and work to tear The Democrat Party apart with Racial and Genderist arguements and Pander. As far as making Hillary a VP candidate may be worse than you think. She is still very polarizing no matter what her coalition thinks. Look at her now, I think if it is for the woman vote he should get another strong choice other than Hillary. One that will play a supportive role and not be waiting in the wings to upstage him. When you see her willingness to be two faced I would have a hard time trusting her If I was Obama.As far as the Super Delegates I like the slow paced drip it gives her time to bow out gracefully even though she is incapable of showing grace at this time.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:40:26 GMT

"The last thing she wants is for the not-so-funny SNL "sore loser" parody to become conventional wisdom."
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I think she's way too late for that. And let's be honest, we knew before PA that it was over, because that victory had already been factored into the equation. So after it took place - nothing changed. As have her upcoming large wins in WV and KY.

She is not going to win. After PA, she needed to grab the remaining superdelegates by a margin of 2:1. But since then, Obama has been the one to win the super race, out scoring her by a margin of 22:1!

I can understand if she wants to go out on a victory, but to continue past KY/OR would just be ridiculous, and a terrible waste of her supporters money.

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Ron, TX — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:40:26 GMT

The Obama-Debate SNL hits were played over and over all across the media, relayed and explained. Why doesn't First Read tell everyone what the skit was about? They obviously hit the nail on the head. Hillary Clinton basically called all of her supporters racist. She played the race card -on her own supporters-.

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BJ, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:43:55 GMT

Yeah I find more fools rushing out ..than real issues about real people being a part of the GOP's or the Dem's message...
TAXES, Economy, GAS prices, Mortgage, depression, inflation, food prices/shortages, Jobs, jobs, jobs, education, salaries, etc..
Tone this GOP and Dem's
While we have the problems..no one wants to do anything about them....no chickens in every pot please...

Sadsack where are you?

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Chuck T is the man — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:44:30 GMT

Congratulations Chuck T!! Howard Kurtz at the Washington Post just released a wonderful piece on you, and your political colleagues have nothing but rave praise and glowing comments for ya. Thanks for all you do :)!

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sem, va — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:45:40 GMT

From some analyses, it is becoming clear that the word 'win' is being misinterpreted in the race between hillary and obama. Look, a win has a specific DEFINITION. In this case which ever candidate reaches 2025 becomes the nominee, even if the other has 2020. The fact that Hillary is winning in some states does not mean that obama cannot be given his win.

In a soccer match where the scores are 4-3, the loser is still a loser despite the three goals scored. What matters is that the winner has one goal ahead.

So, let's get serious with rules, regulations and the law, else we may turn america into a circus!!.

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Jayne, Midlothian, VA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:47:16 GMT

The SNL parody "no-so-funny"? If it wasn't funny, it's only because it was dead-on accurate in every way. HRC is a sore loser, she is lacking in ethics, she is racist and she absolutely will do anything to win. I'm confident that if she could ensure her nomination by tossing Chelsea off the top of the Empire State Building, she'd be in the elevator right now. Clinton isn't just immoral, she's amoral.

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iowan — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:48:37 GMT

Just fyi, Joe and Jane Democrat in Iowa chose Hillary third. Sure, the 29% who showed up for her a stubborn group of old-style diehards and older ladies transfixed by the idea of a woman candidate, and they should be respected. But not to the extent of placating them by nominating the most polarizing person in elective politics as part of a ticket. It would be a bad move, and it's not necessry at this point.

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Jim, the Mississippi Delta — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:49:27 GMT

The Clintons now have a golden opportunity to prove that they are both statesmen, not just political hacks. How they respond will speak volumes about them.

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Molly — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:50:29 GMT

What obama will NOT go to WV or KY - Guess he does not need "those type" people - or FL & MI - think he might need ALL Americans to win?????
Hillary or McCain NEVER Obama!

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Cherie KC MO — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:50:34 GMT

Obama will have the delegates by May 20 for the nomination. I hope Hillary exits with a positive attitude and we all join together to beat McShame!
Obama 08

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Lisa, New Britain, CT Enthusiastically for Obama — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:51:22 GMT

I think many of us don't have a problem with her staying in (till May 20th or after). Many of us have a problem with her saying remarks which give the Republicans fodder or which serve to divide the Party (and I'm sure I don't need to repeat words she has recently used).

She has a huge platform, how she continues to use it says volumes about her (both good and bad).

I'm a little worried about her level of campaign debt and spending though...(I sincerely hope the money is at least good for the local economy).

I also feel its important for the citizens in the rest of these states to vote, its their clear right and I really don't think we should be marginalizing or discounting voters! So, in the spirit of that...Go Mountaineers, and thanks to all the people on the ground for Obama, especially!

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Cracker, KY — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:51:55 GMT

Let's see if the Bearing Lost, so called Straight Talk Express can spin it's way out of this ditch. He actually has lobbiers for a government that would let its citizens die before asking for help to a natural disaster.

I guess they have something in common. McSame would let our troops die in Iraq, and our citizens loose their homes.

I guess birds of a feather really do flock together.

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EBC, Boyds MD — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:52:59 GMT

She NEEDS to concede already. ENOUGH with all this nonsense. We need to start focusing on November directing our resources and energy at Sen. McCain.

We've already WASTED so much time with Sen. Clinton. How much longer are we going to continue to "hold her hands" while she is shown the door?

How much more DEBTS is she going to incur? AND who is going to PAY for her debts? Her supporters?

If this was a WHITE MAN beating her, we would NOT even be having this discussion. She could have been GONE 8 months ago! Bottom line.

Whose fooling who here? Sen. Clinton has been given MORE than enough time to get her act together and SHE HAS NOT.

The American People have voiced their choice. THEY DO NOT WANT HER AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!! It's as simple as that.

I failed to see why we continue with this cherade.

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Christine, California — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:53:26 GMT

Don't count Hillary Clinton out yet! She is a fighter, and if she wins big in WV, you may see more superdelegetes move to her support. The people that support Hillary Clinton see her as a person that can work with Republicans. With Obama, it is his way or no way. It is change or get thrown under the bus. That is why most Clinton Democrats will vote for McCain if she does not get the nomination.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:53:27 GMT

Chuck, Mark and Domenico,

Thank you for not bringing up the "hard working white Americans" comment. Yet once again, pundits are making a big deal out of what obviously was a bad choice of words by Senator Clinton, something that happens over and over in campaigns. From what I have heard in the Obama and McCain camps, they have all said it was just an unfortunate choice of words at this time.

If she were neck and neck with Senator Obama, then it might have presented a problem for her. But she's slowly running out of gas.

I wish the pundits would just give Senator Clinton a break for goodness sakes - just drop it.

Unfortunately, from the way the primaries were conducted, it looks as though race will be a big issue in the general campaign.

The tv pundits will see to it.

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Chriss — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:54:07 GMT

Some say it doesn't matter how long or how bad this plays out because Bill Clinton didn't have the nomination until June.

The results were: Bill Clinton 43.0%, George H. W. Bush 37.4%, Ross Perot 18.9%

As anyone who remembers, Perot pulled virtually all of his support from the Republican side of the electorate.

We need to unite, heal and start the campaign for the GE now.

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Elise Denton, TX — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:54:18 GMT

With Obama being the presumptive nominee, Clintonites and indepedents will rally towards him in the fall once they see John McCain for who he really is. It won't be soon before the media spotlight knocks some of the shine off his armor.

With that in mind, why shouldn't Clinton continue in the race until all votes have been counted? Michigan and Florida won't help, no matter how the votes are counted. Plus, no one wants to her whining a year from now - how unfairly she was treated. She needs to lose fair and square - knowing that the will of the people turned against her.

I respect Obama even more for being diplomatic towards the impending demise of her pres. campaign. We all know that she would not have been this kind to her.

Obama 08

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Lisa, New Britain, CT Enthusiastically for Obama — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:55:01 GMT

Regarding the joint campaign appearances (joint forums, whatever you want to call it). If McCain keeps making GAFFEs, its probably to Obama's benefit to have McCain be more seen. I am being serious. The MORE I see of McCain, the more unknowledgeable he seems, and the scarier he becomes (suprisingly on both domestic and foreign policy type issues).

So, I'm actually thinking Obama may want to consider some appearances with McCain even if it gives McCain some free publicity.

Obama for our best future.

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Jose Alemar , Florence, Colorado — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:55:16 GMT

The builder of Ba rack H Obama, the one calling for Hillary to drop know very well that she still have a 60% chance to win the nomination. The so call experts in political math are 10% off of calculation.
I including the reminding State , plus Michigan, Florida and Puerto Rico Hillary should have between 50,000 and 75,000 extra to win the nomination with the popular vote. Is not a wishful thinking, is reality.
Hillary has shown to be the best by fighting not only her own party but the media in general

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Ron, St. Louis, Mo. — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:55:48 GMT

It doesn't mean a hill of beans if HRC wins West Virginia or not. IT'S OVER. We know it and she knows it. By May 20th. it will be official.

The only thing I can say to Hillary is....

NA NA NA NA,NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE!!!!

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Rick,Ky — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:56:04 GMT

This is gonna be a Wonderful week for All the Barack Obama supporter's. Even tho other News account's , have him ahead in SD's, this site continue's to show him tied or behind by a couple.Lets see what kinda writeup 1st read gives Barack when their total shows him Ahead in the Last category for Hillary.

Why even write about Hillary, she's Done for, & No longer a viable candidate in the Presidential race. Why give her Any kinda Headline? Maybe 1st read could make a thread about why Hillary won't concede?

Now 1st Read think's the Guilt by association Nonsense is gonna get outta hand, since it involves McBush. The MSM vilified Barack on this same issue, & now try to say, Enough is Enough, Pathetic! The MSM think's they know what matter's to voter's, & Barack Victory show's the MSM know's Nothing. They bought into the Inevitability concept from the Clinton machine & are forever Tainted.

The American voter is concerned about the so-called kitchen table issues & not any Made up issue coming from the MSM. Get Real, MSM!

In 8 day's, I get to cast My vote for the next President of the United States of America, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Hot Daummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm & YeeeeeHaaaW !

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carrie — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:56:50 GMT

I have to take issue with conflating Obama's informal advisor with McCain's convention chairman. This is lazy reporting, something I usually don't equate with Chuck Todd. Aside from the difference in the level of involvement in the campaigns -Obama's advisor is part of a foreign-policy think tank. It is his job to talk to all kinds of foreign entities to get information and understand their issues. He did this for the Clinton admin as well. McCain's people are LOBBYISTS for foreign gov'ts. There is a big difference between being a neutral observer of disagreeable entities (otherwise how do we know we disagree) and actually advocating for them.
Shame on you NBC.

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:57:38 GMT

"*** How Hillary will close:"
--Here's how. It seems pretty obvious that Hillary Clinton is going to play it out all the way, why not? Following the credentials committee, MI nor FL will be counted in full (maybe half). Nontheless, she won't be ahead in any metric--seriously one has to award Obama some of the popular vote in MI. But given that, she can go onto and win Puerto Rico, then say that the math just doesn't work for her, the rules are determined and she's suspending her campaign. Plus if the credentials committee doesn't award MI and FL in full (which I can't see how they will) then it was the party insiders that lost her race, absolving her of some of that political guilt. That is what I gathered, reading between the lines on Meet the Press.

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Elise Denton, TX — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:57:47 GMT

With Obama being the presumptive nominee, Clintonites and independents will rally towards him in the fall once they see John McCain for who he really is. It won't be soon before the media spotlight knocks some of the shine off his armor.

With that in mind, why shouldn't Clinton continue in the race until all votes have been counted? Michigan and Florida won't help, no matter how the votes are counted. Plus, no one wants to hear her whining a year from now - how unfairly she was treated, how much better she would have done had she not been booted prematurely from the race. She needs to lose fair and square - knowing that the will of the people turned against her.

I respect Obama even more for being diplomatic towards the impending demise of her pres. campaign. We all know that she would not have been this kind to him.

Obama 08

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Lisa, New Britain, CT Enthusiastically for Obama — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:59:49 GMT

Chuck in NY. Its telling that she's not getting more "heat" on the white person remarks. Why? She's no longer being considered a viable candidate so perhaps there's not a major reason to heat it up (and the Obama camp is not touching it, perhaps that's wise). Many in the bloggosphere and MSM have noted it and slammed her on it so the record of it is out there.

She is being considered "on her way out", so there's no real reason to give it more air time. Just for the record, I think she's been playing that card/deck (or I should say her campaign has been) for a good long while and I detest it.

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Cherie KC MO — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:00:20 GMT

The Clintons are just sad at this point. They made a good run but used politics of the past and times have changed. Time for a new direction and I hope they get out with grace and dignity.

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Kyla NYC — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:01:06 GMT

Obama 1,865-Clinton 1,702.5. The main page has Obama at 1859 and Clinton at 1700... please update

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class Warrior, D.C. — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:01:24 GMT

I love the fact that Mcshame's filthy-rich wife was grousing about how evil the junta in Myamar was---and then found out two people in Mcshame's campaign used to lobby through a big GOP firm for the evil junta that is letting its people starve. Typical Republicans; talk up democracy, work for juntas because it's all about the benjamins to a Republican.

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K., Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:02:12 GMT

Washington is not a swing state. East of the Cascade Mountains, the state is Republican--largely rural, lots of farming. But the population out there is dwarfed by the population west of the Cascades. And western Washington is nothing if not Democratic. So while, in terms of square miles, there is a big patch of Republicans, in terms of numbers of voters, there are far more Democrats. Washington will go for Obama in the fall--and strongly. Oregon has a very similar makeup: Democratic population centers in the western half of the state with rural, Republican areas in the eastern part. But make no mistake: Washington and Oregon are both going to go Democratic easily in the general this fall.

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Jose Alemar , Florence, Colorado — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:02:38 GMT

I just learned yesterday that Obama campaign has ordered their follower to right to FIRST READ IN FAVOR OF HIS CAMAPIGN AND AGAINST HILLARY. No WONDER THERE SO MUCH WRITING AGAINST HILLARY IN THIS SPACE.

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Charles, Ft. Walton Beach, FL — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:03:46 GMT

It’s not socially acceptable to say things about race and gender, but in the secrecy of the voting booth, they come out. That’s why polls are not accurate when it comes to true feelings on race and gender, especially race. West Virginia and Kentucky’s population are only 3.2 and 8 percent African-American respectively, and many of those state’s voters are older and more traditional. No black candidate has ever been elected to statewide office in Kentucky. Even if there wasn’t a Rev. Wright controversy, I think Obama would have a tough time in West Virginia and Kentucky, for obvious reasons. Thirty-five years of being first lady of the United States and a state governor’s wife does not give you elected experience. The Democratic Party establishment has anointed Hillary Clinton because of her husband’s popularity.

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Richard, Chicago — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:03:50 GMT

Do my eyes deceive me or did Chuck Todd and his crew, who is employed by NBC just slam another NBC show (SNL)? Its alright for SNL to ridicule Sen. Obama for months but the moment a skit deplicting Sen. Clinton basically telling the truth that so many white people share in her sentiments,is being called a "cheap-shot. Talk about eating your own.

Clinton played the race card with the "hard-working white people won't vote for Obama" and hard working afro-american people like me took great offense with her comments. Don't slam SNL for showing a skit that essentially echoes the anger many are feeling toward Hilary Clinton. I've been reading this blog for months and no one on your staff Chuck took offense to SNL against its skits against Obama. Sounds like double-standard talk with you guys.

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wcarr, Memphis, TN — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:04:40 GMT

What Obama supporters do not understand and will never understand is he will have no chance in the fall against McCain. Say what you will but the "typical white people" will never vote for him. The one and only chance the Democrats have in the fall is getting Hillary at the top of the ticket. But she should turn down the VP role because she would be on a losing ticket with Obama as the Dem. candidate. The Democrats have a better chance of hell freezing over than him being elected this fall.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:07:15 GMT

Hooray the First Read team is up and at 'em this fine Monday morning. I'll be looking forward to the many news items they post and ofcourse the comments that come with them.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:08:08 GMT

How will Hillary close? By winning most, if not all, of the remaining primary states. Obama is really not a viable candidate anymore. Sure, he'll win the Dem nomination. But he really doesn't have a chance this fall.
Deb Nase, Oakland, CA (Sent Monday, May 12, 2008 9:26 AM)

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Most if not all? I predict a 50-50 split.

He wins Oregon, Montana and South Dakota.

She wins West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico.

...and Puerto Rico does not get a say in November.

Yes, he'll win the nomination. Yes, he'll win in November. See ya for the victory party!

Bring on McJunta!!!!

Obama '08

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Lilly, Las Vegas, NV — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:08:58 GMT

Which Joe and Jane Democrat did you talk to???? No Democrats that I know think Obama should pick Hillary to be V.P. Democrats are perfectly aware that the Clintons are a team and cannot envision the two of them returning to the White House in a supporting role. I think it's the media that is perpetuating this ridiculous notion.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:09:11 GMT

It's 3PM and the phone is ringing in the White House. Who would you rather have answering that call? A wide-awake, alert Barack Obama or a Grumpy Tired John McCain who has just been startled awake from his afternoon nap?

Go Obama 08/12!

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Jerry S. Oakland, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:09:44 GMT

Obama was not accused of the "typical white" comment he made? What a moot argument. Blogs were so filled with comments regarding that "typical white" remark, in which Obama was trying in earnest to illustrate his points on race, something most politicians rather have avoided. Clinton, on the other hand, was not trying to bring the sensitive issue of race into discussion in the public square, but merely attempting to scare up votes on the basis of race, just as she did with gender.
This coutnry is so obsessed with the double standard that there even seems no agreed-upon definition of what it really meant. Incereasingly, we are becoming -- or should I say already have become? -- a nation f hypocrisy, and we remain blinded by our prejudices and ignorance that we cannot objectively analyze situations.

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Jessica — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:09:58 GMT

Hey First REad,

I am one of those "Jane Doe's in Iowa" and I can tell you from first hand experience that we are NOT wanting/wishing/expecting HRC to be asked to be VP.

In case you have forgotten, HRC came in THIRD, #3, here in Iowa.

We didn't want HRC then, and we sure as hell don't want her now.

Funny how the MSM keeps speaking for all of us "white" people out here. Iowa is 98% white, and yes, most of us "work hard" (some of us are "educated", and many of us are not) but we OVERWHELMINGLY chose Obama over HRC not just once, but in our county conventions also.

And don't forget, that most Edwards supporters (Edwards came in #2), have switched to Obama, NOT HRC.

The media continues to have a skewed view of Obama voters. The HRC campaign would like everyone to believe that ONLY HRC can get "white" voters, just because she won in PA and Ohio. But the funny thing is, that Obama has won Iowa, Kansas, Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and I could go on and on and on.... 33 states in all, and MANY of those states, like Iowa, have VERY small AA populations. That means he WON WHITE VOTERS.

Additionally, even in states with high AA pops, Obama STILL won white voters. There is NOT ONE STATE, that Obama won with ONLY AA votes.

Enough of the "white" and "black" vote already. It is not only insulting, but it is also silly. Sure, there are still some racists people in this country, but as you can see, as the "black man" is winning, that MOST of us have gotten past "race". We don't care. We have moved on, and the MSM and HRC camp. are trying to hold on to the past.

Anyway, please don't try to cast my state, Iowa, as wanting HRC on ANY ticket.

Her support here in Iowa was lacking back in January, when she came in THIRD, and believe me, she hasn't gained in popularity.

Here in Iowa, we are MOSTLY "white", and we are ALL hard working, be it in the corn or bean fields, in an office, or in a meat packing plant. We don't care about the color of anyones skin, or if they wear a flag pin, or dodge sniper fire. We care about gas prices, the price of food, and ending this war.

We didn't chose HRC back in January, even though way back then Obama was still pretty much unknown, because we understood that HRC was the SAME OLD PEOPLE DOING THE SAME OLD THING.
And we understood that the same old, same old is not what this country needs.

Iowa will go blue in the Fall. Too many of our sons, daughters, brothers and sisters, moms and dads have been shipped off to war. Too many of us can not afford to pay $4.00 a gallon for gas.

We understand that McSame offers MORE OF THE SAME, and we have had our fill of GWB. And I would suspect to see many more "swing states" go blue also.

Just wait and see.

Obama 08

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Jane Democrat in Pennsylvania — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:10:23 GMT

I do not want Hillary Clinton as VP. No way.

Her entire method is the polar opposite of hope and change. Can you, as Barack Obama, imagine having that family one heartbeat away from the position you hold? No thank you.

When she hangs around long enough to be dragged kicking and screaming from the podium, her political career will be over. She and her husband will make zillions of dollars from book deals and speeches, so don't feel too sorry for her. She did this to herself.

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Observer — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:10:30 GMT

Winning in WV:

http://www.sirened.com/spotlight-on-west-virginia-and-racist-senator-robert-byrdyee-haw

and

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinion/10herbert.html?ex=1211169600&en=fa0fcc6f8b5d952d&ei=5070&emc=eta1

and

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052

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Tyler Hendricks, AR — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:10:37 GMT

Hillary is campaigning to win. Nothing has been decided yet. Obama is a deeply flawed candidate whose baggage increases more and more each passing day. He has no accomplishments, just some lofty rhetoric, and he has his extreme liberal voting record. Obama won't even win half of the remaining primaries. Even the Democrats know the man is flawed and is not the answer.

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Anne, Raleigh, NC — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:11:38 GMT

I am beginning to think that Hillary has no intentions of an 'exit speech' or closing down shop. I can fully see Hillary going all the way to late June or maybe to the convention. She is in denial and feels she is 'entitled' to win. A true leader knows when it is time to step aside for the good of the party. Hillary clearly plays by her own rules and it's really pathetic. I also feel really angered that Hillary says that white working Americans won't vote for Senator Obama. I am a 40 year old female working white American that absolutely will vote for Senator Obama! It infuriates me that she is playing the race card at this juncture. All the more reason for people to see that she is still living in the past and in her own world. The SNL parody was accurate in about every way possible. I hope the people in the remaining states yet to vote will show her that she is wrong and vote for Senator Obama who truly 'gets it' and will really help to unify our country.

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nancy, los angeles, ca — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:12:06 GMT

Why is NBC the only media outlet not reporting that Obama has passed Clinton in superdelegates?

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FL Voter — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:12:57 GMT

Sen. Obama has a history of disqualifying his running mates - as he did with his State Senate campaign in IL. And this is the "change" we all can believe in?

This election will go down in history as the election that disqualified millions of Florida and MI voters --all for the convenience of having a chosen golden boy ---as the nominee. WHY EVEN HAVE A PRIMARY if all along --the election was slanted to begin with.

When the truth comes out about how Obama's lawyers worked 24/7 to suppress the votes in FL ---the Democrats can say goodbye to ANY loyalty come November!!

Nomination goes to Obama = FLORIDA VOTES FOR MCCAIN. Period!!!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:13:14 GMT

I predict there will be exactly one of those unmoderated debates between Obama and McCain. McCain's only hope is to have "Traitor" Joe Lieberman right next to him whispering advice. Once Barack gets Flip Flip John off his talking points and into some freewheeling, free thinking debating Obama will shine while McCain will crash and burn.

Go Obama 08/12!

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A LIFELONG DEM & MILITARY VET WHO WONT WHORE HIMSELF TO OBAMA — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:13:50 GMT

SNL has obviously been intimidated by the news department at NBC. We've all seen the bias throughout this primary campaign.
The skit was uncalled for and doesn't correlate to anything that's happened in this campaign. It was just another pile-on from a network who's news division has chosen to whore itself out to Obama.
As for being "pretty tough on Obama"....the SNL scorecard is ONE (1) skit in which they accurately depicted the bias debate moderators showed towards Obama, and now THREE (3) skits in which they've absolutely torn Hillary to shreds for no reason.
I guess that phone call Obama made to Lorne Michaels paid off, eh?
The news media, including First Read is trying to create history by propping Obama up, and tearing Hillary down. Everyone can see it.
Oh by the way...Chuck Todd and the two other imbeciles who run this website couldnt shine the shoes of FREAL journalists. I don't give a damn what one of their buddies over at the Washington Post says.

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iowan — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:14:55 GMT

PS, bad call to give national media attention to tomorrow night. Your sponsors will not be happy with the ratings. It's springtime, and this is not a contest. What channel is carrying the playoffs?

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Patrick, Portage, MI — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:14 GMT

From the Dept. of Duh.

RE: 5 Big turning points - Obama's Illinois Residency.

Of course Obama's Illinois residency helped him, Just like Sen. Clinton's residency in the states of Arkansas and NY helped her. She won big in those states and in some states that share borders with her former and current home states. (Tennessee, NJ, Pennsylvania, Mass). Hmm, do you think maybe that is why the Clinton's chose to go to Chappaqua?

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mike ca — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:22 GMT

obama /edwards 08 still sounds good

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Lester, Boston — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:44 GMT

It ain't about the pledged delegates anymore. What difference does it make that Obama has over 50% of them? He doesn't and won't have enough to get to 2025. Neither will Hillary. So they both need superdelegates. And the superdelegates should now be expected to do their job. They were created to keep the party from teetering over the cliff if the voters "got it wrong" and that's just what they are about to do. Why should anyone buy the Obama's camp's claim that the superdelegates should just be a rubber stamp for the pledged delegates? All bets should be off at this point. Both Obama and Clinton have failed to close it out with pledged delegates. At this point the superdelegates should hold off....wait for the rest of the primaries. But at the end, once Michigan and Florida are counted, I suspect Hillary will be ahead in the popular vote. And if the superdelegates are looking at the "will of the people" what better indicator is there than that??? (By the way, if you Obama folks think Hillary is so damned irrelevant, why are you still so angry?)

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Comrade Kevin — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:16:02 GMT

This reminds me of the way primaries were held in the dark age of 2004. By the time West Virginia voted, the nominee was little more than a fait accompli.

My home state, Alabama didn't hold their primary until June and since everyone knew by that point that John Kerry was going to be the nominee, I had no problem at all casting my vote for Dennis Kucinich. What did it matter?

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s.berman — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:16:07 GMT

There is no reason for Clinton to get out of this campaign.

She will end it as the popular vote winner and democrats will have to decide at convention weather or not winning caucuses in Republican states is a reason to give someone the nomination.

She is by far the stronger candidate in Nov and should contest the race all the way until allthe votes are counted from all the states and all the delegates.

Take it to the floor Hill! He is unelectable.

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Jim Arlington.va — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:16:28 GMT

Obama went outside the party with his cuacus wins and open primaries to win the nomination, so this is not a pure dmocratic vicorty... that is why I do not feel guilty for not "rallying around Obama" as chuck suggested. I may Rally around Mcain... He really is the one best capable of ending the war in a responsible manner. Obama will pull the troops and send them to Darfur

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Diane from Illinois — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:17:05 GMT

Who cares what path she takes to get out.....as long as she gets out! I'm sick of her and her pants suits! And Bill needs to go undergorund again. He's become an embarrassment (again).

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Dave, Baltimore, MD — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:17:08 GMT

+++++++++ Correction for O Canada

Barack Obama did not invoke race in his bitter comments. Being from Canada, I assume you don't realize that blacks just like whites reside in small town America. His comments was a poor attempt to show empathy not insult. His comments were more classist and out of touch than racist. If you go to small town America, the most religious, bible hugging people are BLACK people. Let's not really expose small town America. JENA anyone?

On the otherhand HRC explicitilty said "white" people thus invoking race as an argument to give her the nomination.

All of the Clinton campaigns case for her is based on the traditional Democratic base support staying "as is" (blue collar (aka white folk), backs, Latino, Asian, etc. That base will be eroded if she gets it and she would have to obtain new appeal from independent where McCain will trump her.

Obama's case is based on the new voter coalitions consisting of new, young, independents which will challenge McCain for swing voters. HRC has no credibility with swing voters. This is the real battleground. Not swing states but swing voters.

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Cordell Weiland Deland,Florida — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:17:56 GMT

If Hillary don't get nominated she still can make HISTORY via the PEOPLE,
The 2008 primary race will go down in history as the birth of the Independent Party, in which Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will declare herself the leader, after leaving the DNC on May 20th. She will announce her declaration of Independence on the Lou Dobbs show and millions of Americans will support her as she soundly beats Obama and MCCAIN in a general election…running as an Independent. Due to the incompetence of Howard Dean, the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida, blatant media bias, and the premature coronation of Obama,…millions are prepared to leave the DNC in the dust and join HER. And let the DNC be the liberal party of snobs and cooks like Al Sharpton.It could be a "REAL"

INDEPENDANCE-DAY
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Cecilia Rivera Brooklyn, N.Y. — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:19:07 GMT

Hello gentlemen. Presumptive. That's a mighty big word. Presumptive means to presume. To presume mesns to dare to say or do something. To venture. To take for granted. It also means: a presuming, an overstepping of proper bounds. Gentlemen, have everyone forgottened that there exists a Higher Power and I don' mesn delegates of superdelegates. His name is GOD ALMIGHTY. He too has opinions. You do well to take the time find your bibles if you have bibles, blow the dust off and read the following chapters and verses: Daniel chapter 4 verse 17 and Romans chapter 13 verse 1. Also look up Judges chapter 5. That's of a woman who ruled a nation, but the message is for present were in and the future ahead. Also, don't overlook Al Gore. He, and there's the possibility that he and not Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama could be the nominee. I wouldn''t write him off! I'd keep an eye on him.

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Jance Janeway — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:20:53 GMT

It's interesting how you cherry pick your SNL skits. How about the one where the media is pie-eyed goony over Obamarama?

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Jen — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:21:35 GMT

Sorry, Chuck and friends, you're usually right, but this time, no, not so much. I'm a Jane Democrat in a western state and we all want Hillary to go back to the Senate or something. The last thing we want is to see her on Obama's ticket. She would corrupt the whole thing, from Day 1!

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Robert — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:22:13 GMT

O Canada
In response to your question, she was trying to use race to her advantage, regardless of who she was quoting. In the process, she seemed to make insinuations that aren't very complimentary of "whites" or African Americans either one.

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Marat, Houston,TX — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:22:20 GMT

Dear Chuck et al,
You obviously are stuck in the "inside the beltway" (including the so called pundits from NY) mode. If you think voters outside the beltway are pining for Hillary to be vice president, you'd better think again. I am an Obamaniac but I would have to stop and consider voting for him if Hillary is anywhere near that ticket and there are millions of us out here. You need a reporter outside the beltway to give you the scoop as to what the average joe and jane really are feeling.
Why do you think she lost so big? Lots of people just can't abide her in any way shape or form.

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ARt — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:22:29 GMT

Hillary said yesterday that "It ain't over 'til the lady in the pants suits sings." Please don't sing, Hillary. It was really painful when you sang the National Anthem.