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Katy in Michigan — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:27:13 GMT

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Jerry S. Oakland, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:28:09 GMT

What do you think First Read of the article on MSNBC regarding the encoutner of Obama staffers with remnants of American bigotry? The article is found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/.
I wonder why the MSM has rarely reported on incidents like the ones in the article. While I am completely unsurprised by the bigotry demonstrated in the article (I am a white guy, but most of my friends are Asians and blacks), I was surprised that the media has not done a more thorough job of dethroning racism from America. Racism is an institutional problem and is built into the perceptions of the most ignorant or alienated individuals who live their lives with their narrower minds. Determining a person's place in America on account of race (or sex, for that matter) is like rejecting humanity as a whole and existentially.
I am glad Iowa, as the first overwhelmingly white state to favor Obama, has largely prevented bigoted and alienated minds of America in influencing the future f this nation. Goddness, compassion and truth will always prevail, just as they did over twisted, heartless white segregatists of our nation.

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patty,sd,ca — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:32:58 GMT

hillary is still the best female candidate in the race, if I can't vote for the eletist, lying, corrupt, selfish, pandering, flip flopping, man hating, racist, bigot, war mongering, buiness as usual, corporate owned, cry baby hillary rodham clinton I will vote for john mccain and so will everyone else on the pipe.

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the Pajama Pundit — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:33:49 GMT

Chuck & Co. - that is a great comparison between the WV primary and a football game late in the season. Spot-on.

As for it's significance, I think that no matter what happens tonight in WV, Obama will still be the Democratic nominee.

What I don't understand is why the media is dancing around the reasoning for such a large discrepancy in the numbers in West Virginia. Isn't it fairly clear why Hillary is going to win tonight?

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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Jon, TX — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:34:47 GMT

Chuck, don't forget that Obama won Washington state, DC, Nebraska and other states by between $65% and 75%. So there is no point of telling us that Hillary's $72 or more margin of victory matters more or less than the larger states which Obama carried by more than $60 percent.

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Steve B. NewYork NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:36:05 GMT

Why is Sen. Clinton still using racially divisive rhetoric?
Before I just assumed that it was clumsiness, but now ... I don't know !
I mean she is a smart politician ! She knows what she is doing !
"Send them a message !"

I know it may sound innocent, but to the people who have gone through this nonsense before, it is frightening.
Code word for "lets show em' that we will not have a Black lead us in WV"

Shame on her.

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Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:36:16 GMT

2 plus 2 will never equal 15, but the darker side of our civilization is desperate to stop Obama. Cheating is still a creative art. We need to recognize it whenever we see it.

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Obama is UNelectable — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:37:14 GMT

When Hillary wins West Virginia and Kentucky with 60% or better of the vote in each state, it will be a clear indication to the super delegates that Obama cannot a) win big BLUE states with large electoral vote counts, and b) change the shape, size, and color of the electoral map.
Oh, did I say color? Of course you know I mean from Red to Blue.
But, I have no doubt some DIMWIT will assert that I'm "playing the race card."
That seems to be the only thing the Obama camp and the media, which prostitutes itself to him, have to offer these days.
By the way; did I mention that I'm part of that 30% of Hillary's supporters who will cross the aisle in November if Obama gets the nomination?
How about a story on THAT little statistic? You won't do that, will you?
You HARLETS!

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Lisa, in New Britain, CT Finally, its Obama — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:37:25 GMT

I'm not bothered by a 38% or so showing for Obama since Clinton has been contesting it and this is "her" demographic. It would be different if she was not in the race and he had been actively campaigning in it. No President wins by getting each and every vote. We have a healthy amount of diversity in this country and that's a good thing. It's what keeps us honest and hopefully moving forward (as long as we keep trying to be constructive about it all).

Obama for our best future.

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Margaret, Columbus, Ohio — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:37:30 GMT

I expect Obama to be met with boo's (at the very least) in Florida as he will be seen as part of the machine that is trying to stifle the vote. Watch his words become even more flowery.

John McCain is going to love watching this.

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Pa Voter — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:38:59 GMT

C'Mon all you "typical white, small town, bible clinging, gun totting, antipathy toward others who are not like you" American Voters !!

Vote for the person who enjoys degrading you and gets away with it --with a smile! Vote for Sen. Obama! REAL change you all can believe in!!

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Judgement will Prevail — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:39:09 GMT

Shame is of no value...
Regret is the start of nothing.
The needs far out exceeds the goal....
Reason calls no honor...
Experience says it all...

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:40:12 GMT

Hmmm. Has anyone asked the Libertatians if they want Barr as their candidate? Given the Republicans consistent policies of eroding Civil Liberties, anyone who has been a party to that, shouldn't be allowed within 1776 miles of their Party, not to mention the Iraq invsion, No Bid Mercenary Armies, Secret Executive Branch DeLuxe, yahda yahda yahda. My guess is the true Libertarians don't need Reagan Youth hijacking their Party. Just an Independent Observation.

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Ryan, IN — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:40:19 GMT

On Feb 5th, the Republicans had the first part of their primary election. On the day that McCain essentially wrapped up the nomination, here was the results from West Virginia:

Huckabee: 52%
Romney: 47%
McCain: 1% !!!!!!!!

So by the Clinton "primaries are good indications of the general" metric, if Barack gets 2% today, he'll beat McCain in West Virginia in the general.

So that's the new goal for Obama, set by the Clintons themselves: 2% in West Virginia

...This is why the Clinton logic is illogical.

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A Charles, LA, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:40:25 GMT

Obama will go down in history as the test of America's moral compass. Will immoral tribalism trump self interest? In the face of the last 8 years, if the majority would turn their backs on hope, then the racial divide is much worse that the media will admit.

The world is watching, hoping the United States are truly united. But in truth, what happens to the brand name if the rest of the world no longer believes in the American dream?

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Lisa, in New Britain, CT Finally, its Obama — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:41:20 GMT

I say about Kentucky just as I said about WV...I think he should be campaigning there as an investment for the General.

I support a fifty-state strategy. Not only will Obama have the financial and people resources to do this (much more than McCain) but as the newer guy on the block (much more of an advantage this year) he has to give people time to get to know him...to shake his hand, to connect with them.

I suspect you will see Obama getting out to all these states in the next few months although I think it would be great if he spent more time in Kentucky. I am also, however, excited to see him pivot to the General.

McCain's free ride is going to get very expensive!

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patty,sd,ca — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:42:08 GMT

**Attention Hillary Supporters**

I've finally realized... It's time for Change We Can Believe In!

Please join me in turning the page on the old, failed style of politics. Let's join the millions of voters, donors, and supporters who have seen what we have failed to see from the very beginning. Help me embrace the next President of the United States...

Barack Obama!

YES WE CAN!!!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:42:59 GMT

A few hillbillies in West Virginia will not save Hilly and Billy from inevitable defeat in the primary. Sad that "Desperate" Hillary is trying to fool her supporters into sending her more money to waste and that somehow WVA matters, it doesn't.

Go Obama 08/12!

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PR, Renton, Washington — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:00 GMT

Racism is here to stay. "Take him and hang him"..."Whites take care of Whites and Blacks take care of Blacks. I'm sadden. Is this why things have not changed much for Blacks. Also the encouragement through the words of the Clintons, one whom had held the highest office and the other trying again to be back there. They know the words to bring out the hatred to win certain states. Breaks my heart. However, recently, I have been made not to be surprised of the Clintons due to the fact former Pres Clinton went back to AR to ensure a black man with the iQ of 3-yr was executed.

Iowa was misleading.

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iowan — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:31 GMT

Also, Bill Clinton stumps in Montana

Love it. Assume they couldnt' book him a flight to Mars today. Buzzy Bill Lightyear--to infinity and beyond.

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Margaret, Columbus, Ohio — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:44:22 GMT

Good riddance to the racist Trent Lott. If anyone is interested, google "Trent Lott mansion" to read about how the taxpayer, thanks to Dubbya, rebuilt Lott's Mississippi beachfront property after the hurricane. Somebody ask Trent (and Dubbya) why there are still people living in FEMA trailers in Mississippi and Louisiana while he is living in luxury.

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Lisa, in New Britain, CT Finally, its Obama — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:44:36 GMT

Well, it will be nice to have third party candidates on both sides this time...perhaps we won't have a true spoiler.

I am enjoying following your big turning points, I hadn't watched that debate so it was nice to hear your view on it.

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Van Reuters NY, NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:45:26 GMT

It is obvious to all that Mrs. Clintons juggernaut is about to overtake Obama in a furry akin the Great Salt War of 1653, it was inevitable was it not.

Soon all that have opposed the majestic Mrs. Clinton will bow before her greatness, her destiny.

The trash heap will be littered with the remains of the Hillary nah sayers and their kind and the name of Obama shall never be uttered from that day forward, as it was surely meant to be. So Mode It Be

Van

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Ron, TX — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:46:52 GMT

Why is the media so full of suckers and liars? First Read, itself, was talking about how primary battles don't extend to general election battles. All of a sudden that disappears in the context of today? What are the general election poll matchups for West Virginia looking like? I mean, Clinton got clobbered and globbered in Hawaii, but are we really supposed to believe that means it would go to McCain? How about you do something useful like report some general election matchup polling? Or is the media going to continue to be lazy?

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MI Chick — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:48:52 GMT

West Virginia....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.{...snore....}

Isn't it interesting that in past elections, WVA didn't register a blip on the radar and now the election is a "turning point" (I feel like a ballerina with all the turning points we have been doing...getting dizzy..) and our next president hinges on folks who appear to be uneducated and ready to believe every lie just 'cause someone said they saw it on the internet? (Obama's a Muslim, doesn't say the pledge, etc.)

Sheesh...

Sen. Obama is coming to Grand Rapids, MI on Wednesday and I would love to go. I think they are expecting something like 10,000 people at Van Andel arena. WOW! Has Clinton pulled in anywhere close to those numbers?

Also - Terry McAuffe needs to dial it down a notch. Saw in this morning on "Morning Mika" and on "Meet the Press". 2229 is NOT the number. Electoral votes DO NOT COUNT FOR PRIMARIES. For the record, I loved that Tim nailed him on his own conversation with Carl Levin about delegates in MI when MI threatned to do what they did this year. He couldn't talk his way out of it! Fantastic! But, as Wanda Sikes said - "You gotta stick with your lie." (Comedy Central Presents)

Happy Tuesday!

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Zia — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:48:54 GMT

Here is a scenario – NFL decides for whatever absurd reason that field goals won’t count in the playoffs. All the contending teams agree to the rules. Now two teams playing in the AFC championship game, lets say Team A prepares around TDs only. Even when they could kick a field goal they still went for a TD. The other team on the other hand, kicks plenty of field goals and falls behind.

Now it’s the last quarter with two minutes left in the game. Team A is ahead 21-0 as a result of three touch downs. Team B kicked seven field goals which don’t count, now team B wants their seven field goals counted and argues that it has a better chance of beating the NFC champ in the Super Bowl.

If we won’t change the rules in a simple game of football, how can the HRC and Obama campaigns expect the rules to be changed in the presidential elections? Right or wrong is not important, rules are important. In fact they are sacred, especially when everyone agreed to them. If you don’t like the rules then get them changed, but this one has to play out. So here is the bottom line,

1. Big states are the same as small states
2. Popular votes don’t matter
3. MI and FL don’t matter
4. Super delegates can overturn the will of the pledged delegate, only if they feel that the candidate being nominated is rogue and has no chance in hell to get elected. Just because one is slightly more electable is NOT an argument. So even though Obama is slightly more electable than HRC, he still can’t claim that to be an argument to the super delegates.
5. Winning more states is not an argument, so Obama don’t even go there
6. Raising millions more than HRC also shouldn’t matter because the rules say nothing about that.
7. Having a much smaller disapproval rating (27%) to HRC’s (47%) also should not matter. We must play by the rules
8. So what if HRC messed up her campaign even though she was the front runner and a shoo in for the nomination and Obama was a nobody. He targeted the areas and states that he thought were important and would propel him to victory. This makes him a better planner, with better judgment and an overall smarter person but since rules say nothing of it, all his efforts shouldn’t count towards the nomination.
9. So what if Obama has more character and integrity
10. Only the number of delegates matter

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RH Oregon — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:17 GMT

Not supporting Obama is not a racial issue. The fact is that the man has done nothing to earn him the right to be the President of the United States. He gives a good speach but he's an empty turd. His plans for Billions is social welfare will cripple our economy much, much, further than it is now. His biggest fault may be his own bigotry. He is a hater.
I'd rather see the 2/3 closet democrat John McCain in the whitehouse. He has served his country in more ways than Barak Hussien Obama ever will.
Speaking of which. We are in a religious war with muslim radicals, and you want me to vote for a guy named BARAK HUSSIEN OBAMA !!!!!!!!
Shut up...

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KJ, Dallas, TX — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:50:53 GMT

Thank you Jerry S. Oakland, CA for your eloquent words.

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Lyn — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:25 GMT

Gosh...he should start taking advice from you guys, since he has only won in every metric.

BTW I noticed Clinton was never asked to explain why she lost predominately "white' states like IA, WY, Idaho, ND...should I go on...or is your arguement that everyone in those state is wealthy? Also Hillary did not compete in every state, but oh that's right she had , like now, no money.

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Joe Bob Haley, Floydada, Texas — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:30 GMT

He picked up four supers yesterday and one more this morning: Indiana congressman Joe Donnelly.

Thanks for burying this. And if you're reading this Chuck, thanks for letting Matthews waste most of last night's show on wild speculation. The real stories yesterday were the superdelegate jump and Obama's powerful speech in WV.

Hardball, which used to be one of my favorite shows, of late has degenerated into caricature. As a hard numbers guy, Chuck, it'd be nice to see you put the brakes on the crap and refocus on the known and the knowable.

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Pat Huntington NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:54 GMT

Just came back from a trip to the Tampa area in Florida...and guess what Obamabots! Not a single person I met will vote for Obama if he's the nominee...they all said they would vote for Hillary since she's fighting to seat that state's delegates, and think Obama is making a huge a mistake by opposing seating Florida at the convention...they all said they will vote McCain if Obama is the nominee because Obama basically is dissing Florida just to get the nomination, knowing that he would lose Florida in any real competitive race there.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:53:44 GMT

Hillary should not be proud of her presumed victory in West Virginia. She knows the sad truth of the hollowness that defines this statement of the voters here and in Kentucky. What's sad is that she and her staff not only ignore the implications but encourage the negativism. I know that the process of bringing this country across the racial divide will not be easy but I expect more from the Clintons...and then again, why should I?

Good people of West Virginia...search your hearts and you will find that this is the time for a cleansing of the spirit. This cleansing may be like climbing mountains for some but it is a mountain that should be scaled in order to follow the path of G-d.
Obama '08

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bill, okla — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:55:28 GMT

Mrs. Clinton and you can include Bill have run a mis-managed divisive campaign. She complains that the press hasn't treated her fairly as well. What a crock. Though, she would probably be better than Keating 5 McCain, it would be minimal and that's if she could get elected and I think not. Vote Obama if you really want any changes from the past.

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A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT & MILITARY VET WHO WONT WHORE HIMSELF TO OBAMA — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:55:35 GMT

The ass-clowns who run this website, and who have psuedo-campaigned for Obama under the pretense of "journalistic reporting," would make Joseph Goebbles proud.
Yes that's right, I am comparing the CRAP you write about Obama to Nazi propaganda. That's about all it equates to.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:36 GMT

Now the question will be who is more irrelevant a candidate, Bob Barr or Ralph Nader. I hope Ralph is more insignificant as that will mean Barr draws off more votes from Flip Flop McCain.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Pat Huntington NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:21 GMT

Explain this to me again Obamapods....polls show that if the election were held today, Hillary beats McCain by double digits, while Obama barely beats him by 6 percentage points...so how is it your candidate is the most electable and better to beat McCain? I'll save you the time and effor - he can't, he's totally unelectable, and if he's the nominee, the Democratic party needs to be ripped to shreds, and start all over again.

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L - MI — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:21 GMT

If I never hear the phrase "from day one" again, it will be too soon...

As they said on MSNBC this morning (I think it was Chris Matthews) - you can't judge this race on historical references - it's always been one Anglo-Saxon guy against another. This year we have a WOMAN and a AA MAN running! You can't go by what has been before - IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!

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Terry, IN — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:59:20 GMT

The Country Roads song by John Denver isn't about WV. The Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River is in WESTERN VA

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Keep it up — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:00:04 GMT

Keep it up Obama supporters.

Keep running your mouths.

You're going to be sorry.

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Mrs J - Illinois — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:00:36 GMT

If I remember correctly, Senator Clinton's campaign said (early on) that she would win West Virginia by 43 points. I, for one, am holding her to that commitment. If she wins by less than 43 points, it should be considered a loss for her.

I agree with Jerry of Oakland concerning the issue of racism in this campaign. I hold the main stream media responsible for their contribution to that racism. We were faced with the issue of Rev. Wright constantly during the course of several months, whereas the issues of racism faced directly by Senator Obama and his supporters were never addressed. Racism? One would certainly have to give pause to that thought!

I continue to feel that the statements by Senator Clinton concerning the voters of West Virginia and Kentucky to be an insult to those citizens. The natives of those two states already have a hillbilly, redneck reputation among other Americans. What Senator Clinton has done increases that sterotype to the point of being disgusting.

I know the ramifications of this prejudice from first hand experience. As a Kentuckian who moved north of the Ohio River, I have even been asked, among other things, if we had indoor plumbing! The mind set of many Americans against the citizens of these two states in anything but pleasing to those of us who lived there. I resent Senator Clinton's contribution to the continuation of that reputation.

Now that Senator Obama has become the decive leader in the Democratic primary, we are finally seeing a better representation of the things he has faced during this campaign. There are still inequalities. For example, the SNL skit poking fun of Senator Obama was played many times by the MSM. I have only seen the latest SNL skit (about Senator Clinton's attitudes) replayed one time by the media. Equal - - -?? I think not.

Despite all the forces that have fought Senator Obama at every turn, he has retained grace and dignity throughout. That has been so admirable and is certainly a positive for him. If he can face personal attacks from every avenue, wouldn't he do the same when confronted by the storms from other countries. I would have to say that he would.

Also of great note is the way he has dealt with the campaign finances. Again, he has shown great responsibility. In Senator Clinton's rants, she made special note that Senator Obama outspent her 2:1. Yes, that's true - - but he outearned her by at least 2:1. In addition, he has not left a series of unpaid bills behind him. As the leader of this country, I feel that he will respect my few tax dollars in the same way that he has respected the campaign dollars.

Taken, issue by issue, Senator Obama has come out as a winner in every respect. He has shown himself, time and again, to be the type of person we need to lead this country into a brighter future.

We know that the old attitudes do not work any longer. We have been told that most of the world resents us. To continue with the old policies would meet the definition of insanity, wouldn't it. Change? Yes, but change for the better. To me that means President Obama!

For the life long Democrats who say they will never vote for Senator Obama in this race or in any other. Perhaps you can make yourself feel better if you just tell yourself that you'll vote for the white half of him. We all know that what is preventing your support of your political party is the black half. That an old story, dear ones, and not a very pretty one.

Thank you

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:01:02 GMT

Anyone who supports a third Bush term does not support our brave overworked troops! Anyone who votes for "Warmonger" McCain is supporting enslaving our troops with the stop-loss policy where our brave troopers have been abused with so many multiple combat tours. He doesn't even support better education benefits for veterans because he wants to keep abusing them with more and more combat tours.

Time to send all his supporters over to Iraq, pay them crappy wages and ensure their families are split apart for long periods of time over and over again.

Go Obama 08/12!

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sotiredofignorance — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:02:01 GMT

Senator Clinton's use of the George Wallace phrase "send them a message" tells us why she should not be President. She does not hesitate to bring out the worst in voters.

There is no reason to vote for her simply because she is a woman, I am appalled at the very thought.

She has run an inept campaign, mismanaged her funds, and ANY argument that she would do better running the budget of the US is so silly, one wonders how any reasonable person can buy into it.

I am a 55 year old woman who will vote based on the qualities of the contenders, not the gender.

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Tony — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:03:12 GMT

It was also announced this morning that New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin is endorsing Obama. Here is an excerpt from his statement:

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:03:54 GMT

Why is it that first read thinks, that any good team or coach would put in the first team when the game means nothing,you boys must have never played ball before.You try to make a case that there is still hope and that the sky will fall and Obama will not be able to carry on.Please stop this Hope-a-dope gig you seem to be on.Even this morning Chris Mattews on morning Mika said that the game is over, why try to sugar coat it.

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Frits, Curacao — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:03:55 GMT

What I find strange is that it seems to occur to nobody that Mr. Obama does not campaign in WV and KY because in that way he does not antagonize the Clinton voters against him. He will have his shot at the voters in the general election and because he did not plarize the voters in the primary has a fair shot at getting their support. A very good strategy I think.

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dante, Hoboken, NJ — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:04:56 GMT

The Right Deserves a Nader.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:06:04 GMT

Riddle me this Clinton supporters. When Hillary finally admits defeat and throws her support to Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are you going to really vote for our true enemy Flip Flop McCain?

After all this support you've shown her over all this time will you really dishonor her by voting for the repugnant one who will give us just more of the failed policies the Bush/Cheney Tyranny has wrought upon our good country? Will you blow off her suggestions for party unity so "Warmonger" McCain can keep our brave soldiers enslaved by the stop loss program that ensures they have to endure more combat tours? Is this the gratitude you'll show Hillary when she finally comes to grips with political reality?

If so then Hillary has three words for you: Shame On You!"!

Go Obama 08/12!

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Vote for the brother — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:07:21 GMT

Senator Clinton needs to explain why she is quoting George Wallace's stump slogan "Send them a Message," before I ever support her for anything.

She, herself, needs to explain this to African American Voters. She knows better!!!

Katy in Michigan (Sent Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:27 AM)

No you're wrong.

Barack Obama needs to explain to white voters why he has NEVER told Black people in this country not to vote for him just because he's black.

I'm so sick and tired of listening to people in this country attempt to justify why 90+% of ALL Blacks have voted for Obama and no candiate has ever gotten 90+% of any group of people in every caucus and primary while running for President.

Give me a f*****g break.

Put a Black guy up for President and all of a sudden ALL the Black people in the country are interested in politics. Where were All these same Black people in 2000 and 2004 when they should have come out in the same type of numbers and kept George Bush from becoming President.

It's not about politics or who's best qualified to be President. It's about Blacks voiting for a Black candidate, and that's the fact whether anyone wants to hear it or not.

Stop tip-toeing around the issue and call it like it is.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:41 GMT

As a Disabled VietNam Era War veteran I know firsthand just how poorly vets get treated by Republicans like "Warmonger" McCain. I served in the early 70's under that crooked commander in chief Nixxon and I smell the same putrid stench emanating from the White House that I did back then.

Just two weeks ago I heard a sad news story that a brave young soldier was killed in Afghanistan, during his 7th tour of combat. No real American patriot would ever force our soldiers to endure so many attempts to cheat death.

Anyone who supports "Warmonger" McCain and this repugnant war for oil in Iraq does not support our brave soldiers. McCain only supports enslaving our brave soldiers with the stop loss program and his new plan to keep soldiers from being able to escape their enforced slavery in the military to become free civilians furthering their education.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Eric Prell, Bethesda, MD — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:43 GMT

A Maryland Super Del switched to Obama today (Jackson) according to the WRC, the Washington DC NBC station. He had previously committed to Clinton, and is encouraging the Governor and other MD dems to switch in the name of party unity. Please update your counts accordingly

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OBwan, IN — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:09:13 GMT

The pundits are slapping their backs with how far we have come in this country in race and gender. We have much further to go, the battles against -ism's will not be won be edicts by government, rather by how individuals treat each other.

I wonder how many people walked out of Hillary's campaign event or spoke up to take exception with her words. Were they offensive, yes - were the words ill advised - yes. Do the people of W. Va. agree with those words - check back when the voting is completed. If the answer is yes - then the George Wallace of 1968 would be a happy man.

Perhaps this may be some indication why Barack did not campaign extensively in W. Va.!

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tr — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:09:20 GMT

<a href="http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/
">http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/</a>

Things younger then Sen McCain (and there are A LOT)...including the state of Alaska<P>He beat her by more then 30% in other states like MS, VA

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CJ — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:10:27 GMT

He should try out Kentucky...I'm sure he could find support there. He won Kansas..why not do Kentucky. And run Barr run!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:13:02 GMT

Looks like another busy day for the good people at First Read who are posting our comments. Thanks for all the great work First Read!

I feel sorry for the MSNBC news crew that will be covering the election results tonight. It will only take a second after the polls close for the pundits to call WVA for "Desperate" Hillary and then it will be a lot of time trying to "analyze" the results.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Yola, FF, CT — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:13:41 GMT

How sad that when this is all over the thing that will resonate most in our minds is what a liar HRC is.

As a woman, I am sadden and totally disillusioned by her behavior!

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Joe hollins Oklahoma city, Oklahoma — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:13:49 GMT

Jerry in Oakland
i wish to God all mankand would see each other as you and i do, this hate we have for one another will destroy us in this world, and those who harbor hate for their fellow man will be joined together in the place for the unrightious, there will be no speration there they will burn together

joe in Oklahoma

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CJ — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:14:15 GMT

Pat Huntington because he won the most states, delegates in the Democratic Primary. That's the rules..the nominee isn't choosen by the last poll results. Obama simply has to improve his numbers and he wins. So far we have seen nothing he has done has dragged him down, it's all been pretty much Wright and possibly Rezko. But outside of those dead issues...it's clear skies for him ahead.

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Noel, Hot Springs, AR — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:14:22 GMT

Hillary's margin of victory will be 32%, which corresponds to the number of teeth an adult has.

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Jenn — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:14:32 GMT

I truly believe that anyone who claims to be a democrat but refuses to vote for the democrat in the GE because their candidate didn't win, should STOP calling themselves a democrat. Call yourself an independent, an undecided. But don't cut off your nose to spite your face and blame it one someone else. It's childish and petty and has no place in the heart of a true democrat.

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GW, Vancouver, Canada — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:19:47 GMT

Why is everything reported from the Clinton spin viewpoint? Why do you not report that wins in primaries do not alway equal wins in general election.
Why do you not report that Clinton cannot win the election without the coalition that Obama has put toge
ther., instead of focusing on the Clinton spin about hardworking white voters?
When Hillary is ahead in the polls, it is usually noted either on your lead sheet or as a post. But yesterday ABC/WSJ had Obama ahead significantly and that is not reported. Also the Gallup poll had Obama"s lead up , not reported here

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mary lee w atlanta georgia — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:20:15 GMT

I still hear some dogs barking," Carville said. "I'm for Senator Clinton, but I think the great likelihood is that Obama will be the nominee."

"As soon as I determine when that is, I'll send him a check," he added.

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Ed Mc - Atlanta — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:20:50 GMT

I suppose as long as Obama is going to lose W.Va. he may as well use it as a rallying cry. "Why vote for Obama? Do you want to be like W. Va.?"
Their eldest statesman Robert Byrd, former Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan and author of such quotables as "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.", where the family tree of for many is a telephone pole, Barack should trumpet the fact that Hillary is their choice.

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Eloise Rosas, Santa Rosa, CA — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:22:29 GMT

John Edwards's name is still on the West Virginia ballot; funny that has not been mentioned.

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Yola, FF, CT — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:22:31 GMT

Pat Huntington NY - you are an idiot! A very dishonest one at that!

Both candidates agreed to exclude FL and MI! BOTH! So if your pals from FL won't vote because of that then they should look beyond their stupidity and at least find another reason not to vote for Obama because they BOTH agreed to exclude FL.

How stupid are you guys?

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Brenda, Mesquite, TX — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:28 GMT

Chuck,

Are you saying that white working-class voters are more important than white working-class voters in Missouri, Michigan and Florida?

Are KY white working-class voters more important than Hispanic working-class voters or Black working-class voters or Asian working-class voters? I could go on and on. Chuck, with no disrespect to KY, aren't we all important?

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MK,MO — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:27:01 GMT

"Pat Huntington NY posts / Not a single person I met will vote for Obama if he's the nominee...they all said they would vote for Hillary since she's fighting to seat that state's delegates, and think Obama is making a huge a mistake by opposing seating Florida at the convention...they all said they will vote McCain if Obama is the nominee because Obama basically is dissing Florida just to get the nomination, knowing that he would lose Florida in any real competitive race there."

pat, I for one don't believe the people of florida are stupid enough to blame obama for the dnc's blunder, if you remember the beloved hillary clinton signed the agreement saying both michigan and florida were not in play, then in a true clintoian move tried to get their faux votes counted when she realized it was to her advantage, truth be known I think that was the clinton plan from 'day one' it's just the way the clinton's play politics, devoid of integrity or morals.

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White females for Senator Obama — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:27:06 GMT

Ya know, I just figured something out this morning, that when Senator Obama speaks he sounds so good and intelligent, even his clips--that all the other camps accuse the media of playing up to him, but they don't--Obama just sounds good and in contrast to the other two presents himself so much better! As far as anyone thinking that Senator Obama doesn't have substance,then those persons have not listened to even one entire speech nor have they read anything from his website. Shame on you for making ludicrous statements based on fractured newsclips and the rumors that others pass along. Get informed!

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SMS — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:27:26 GMT

Why is it that when Senator Clinton made those comments to ABC about hard-working Americans, white Americans, and wrote those off as a poor choice of words it was accepted as such. However, when Senator Obama used "bitter" instead of "angry/frustrated" and "cling" instead of "rely on", Senator Clinton pounced on them and labeled him as an elitist. Senator Obama's poor choice of words no more make him an elitist who looks down on small-town people than Senator Clinton's make her a racist who looks down on African Americans while being condescending to blue collar white people??

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Kristian O — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:28:20 GMT

Van is back. He's a loser for backing Hillary, but he's back nonetheless.

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Ann in Virginia — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:28:33 GMT

Everyday this campaign is allowed to continue is a disservice to the party and the country. I am not a HRC supporter but I know that she has more "cajones" than the still undeclared superdelegates. The depth of the anger and divisiveness is getting scary.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:28:40 GMT

We have work to do. My co-worker, who is dumb as a plank, asserts that if Hillary or Barack become President, her and my taxes will go up. I said Barack wants to give the middle class a $1000.00 tax break. She said "that all depends on what is called middle class." I said, honey, do you and your husband make more than $200,000? (Her husband works as a stockman for Walmart and she and I make less than $25,000.)She seemed surprised the cut off is as high as $200,000. I tell you, this is what we are facing, folks who get their news from FOX and don't read past headlines.

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Tired of your whining — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:31:25 GMT

hey Patty,sd,ca:

Clinton is the ONLY female in the race, so how can she be "the best female candidate" if she's the ONLY one in the race!?

Unless you're running a closet campaign as well...

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Typical White Chick for Obama '08 — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:32:06 GMT

To the moron who keeps posting that he won't "whore" himself to Obama...

Dude (or dudette)...no one is asking you too. If you don't want to vote for him, fine -but don't say you won't because you won't "whore" yourself. Explain, with concrete reasons. Otherwise no one will take you seriously.

Pat from NY - do you hang out with a bunch of closed minded old fogies? Do they realize that HRC SIGNED AN AGREEMENT not to count FL and then decided to break the rules once she was behind?

Also - if you quote statistics supporting your flawed arguement, you could at least post where you are finding your info.

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Zipper Seattle Wa — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:38:12 GMT

Why is everyone tip-toeing around the reason that West Virginia and Kentucky will vote for Hillary in such large numbers? All you have to do is ask them and they will tell you, and be very proud of it.

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Cindi in Louisiana — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:42:46 GMT

To RH in Oregon:

There is no evidence to suggest that Obama is a Muslim, which you seem to believe based on your repetition of his middle name. But if you are going to " down" the guy on that erroneous basis, please learn to at least spell it correctly. It is Hussein. I am becomeing frustrated with this ridiculous logic. If we follow this crazy line of reasoning, we should all be wary of men named "Ted." After all, wouldn't that indicate that they share characteristics with the infamous serial killer, Ted Bundy? See how ridiculous and unfair that is? King Hussein of Jordan was a beloved friend of America, so you see, a name does not connote either good or evil.

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Zak-Pitts — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:54 GMT

I'm hearing lot about racisme in this race, knowingly that racisme is 2 way street, lot of Black people are voting for Obama because he's black, they're voting for him for the pride of having the first Black President, they're not voting for whom is the most qualified for the job.
By far Hillary is our best choice, Hillary is sincere when she talks about change, when she says something she means it, sh'es the one who can turn our economy back to work again, she's the one who is going to provide health care coverage for each single American, Obama does not (15 millions American will be left behind), she'is the one who is ready from day one to be the commander in chief to secure our borders and to make us feel safe again.
The race is not over yet people in West-Virginia, Kentuky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, South-Dakota need to voice their choices, Delegates from Michigan and Florida need to be counted and seated, Hillary still can win the popular vote and the Super Delegates should go with who is the best to lead our country, THE CHOICE IS CLEAR hILLARY IS THE BEST!

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bill depp, Rhode Island — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:48:01 GMT

I wonder what Tweety and Olberman have in store for their next Obama love fest episode? Will Tweety still tingle after the big loss. Will Hillary be worst person in world cause she beat Obama. Are all uf us Hillary supporters just a bunch of redneck racists? Stay tuned!

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laksa, san francisco,ca — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:49:38 GMT

If anyone watch SNL, they will understand why Hillary is winning WV. Progressive America? Hold on, not too fast. Racism is alive and kicking!! Before America is forcing democracy down the throat of other nations, it may want to reflect its' own state of democracy.

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joyce, ny — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:49:46 GMT

I don't know how Obama can win Florida and Michigan after he campaigned that their votes not count in the primaries.
He might have won the battle but not the war. I'm sorry but he is not going to do this well in the General Elections.
For all the touted campaign strategy, he made a crucial mistake of not resolving the issue of these two states. He would probably end up as the nominee anyway.
McCain will beat him in those two plus Ohio and PA. NJ is also on the brink of going McCain.

Leave it to the dems to squander a golden oppurtunity.

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Chris, Warwick, RI — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:51:38 GMT

One problem with the comment about if it is about the economy why didn't Kerry nad Gore carry WV? The answer the economy was not this bad. As a matter of fact when Gore ran it was quite good thanks to the Clintons. Interesting that they are reporting acts of racism that ocurred in PA, IND and states that Hillary won today, the day of the West Virginia Primary. Why were they not reported when they happened and why were they only noted in states that Clinton won? No racism ocurs in SC or Alabama? Another attempt of the media to instill race into this race. There is no denying that racism ocurs as well as sexism, but the way it is reported and the timing appears to be for political reasons.

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Jack Hussein Donovan — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:53:30 GMT

I'm sick of all the moronic Billary supporters threatening to vote McCain if their girl is not the nominee. Go ahead! It's the same 5 or 6 of you every day on every blog. We'll try to get by without you, ok? You used to argue that it was the issues, but now you're making it clear that the issues don't matter one bit - you're support is purely gender-based (or racially biased) so take your uneducated butts over to McCain where they belong.

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judyc, phila, pa — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:01 GMT

Can someone explain to me why the Hillary supporters who say they will "cross the aisle" and vote McCain in November think that they are punishing the Obama supporters? It really makes no sense to me. A vote for him is a vote to continue George Bush's failed policies. Ask yourself--am I better off than I was 7 yrs ago? I think I know the answer. And if you vote for McCain, in 2-4 yrs you will be worse off than you are now.

Hillary and Obama are virtually the same on policy--so could there be some other reason that they would vote for McCain?

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Pat Huntington NY — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:22 GMT

The people I was talking about in Tampa, actually St. Pete, were not people I knew, but people I met, so, it was very random. Say what you will about theory and who's to blame, but reality, i.e., actually going and talking to people, seems a bit more reliable.

As for the name calling, idiot, etc...like I said before, keep it up Obamas, because you will all be on your knees kissing us Hillary supporters' a***s, when you learn Obama has zero chance without us.

BTW - the statistic I cited was on the news, TV, NBC if I recall correctly.

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Thomas, Louisiana — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:36 GMT

So let me get this straight, if anyone questions Obama about his record or associations they are racist? These things matter, especially with Obama who basically has no record, so the only thing that we can go on is his past judgement, so he went to a racist church for 20 years, is everyone just suppose to ignore that? But I guess of course if we don't we're racists, most people will get very tired of this come November.

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bill depp, Rhode Island — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:55:21 GMT

It is hard to believe a word out of MSNBC when it comes to this race...they are batting a 1000 so far! I have never seen such amateurish and biased reporting. I think the FCC should do something about it...or you should just file as campaign staff for Obama.

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Anne/Ohio — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:01:37 GMT

Mrs. J In Illinois,

I think that is the best thig I have read on line yet! Very well put and I agree with you, I am a 40 something "white" under 50k and no college, and I too feel that Mrs. Clinton speaks down to us, but being a democrat I would vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is!

I am a Obama Supporter and I don't care who knows it!
According to Mrs. Clinton I am her base, but guess what I did not vote for her!