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Pat Huntingotn NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:24:00 GMT

Hillary's WV landslide victory just proves that this aint over. Let them all vote.

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the Pajama Pundit — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:24:08 GMT

For now, their concerns about him are not centered on his policy proposals, but rather on the limited knowledge they have of him.
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Which is why Barack Obama should have spent more time and energy courting West Virginians. I still think that he would have lost - but at least people would have been more informed about him, and not believe the right-wing talking points about his background.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:25:18 GMT

Well I guess it’s true Howard Wolfson. Senator Clinton has a shot at the nomination.

But only if she can tackle it away (steal it away) from Senator Obama with superdelegates. It’s not going to happen. Read my lips - it’s not going to happen.

So again we ask you - why is she staying in this race? At this point, she can’t gamble with trying to bring him down. It’s too late and could ultimately have devastating consequences in November. So what exactly is the point she is trying to make by staying in?

It’s too late for great speeches aimed at the superdelegates.

Get off the field. You lost.

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Chuck, NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:25:21 GMT

Hurry up June 4. That is the day we hope HRC concedes. She will concede, right? Or is she determined to go down in history as the person who destroyed the DEM party after taking this to the convention for a fight?

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Joe-MO — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:27:24 GMT

Can we get some more details on the primary in Nebraks? Why have we never heard a peep about it even on the calendars?

Also, I'd slightly disagree with the statement that Clintons "owns" the NorthEast. BO did win a number of states in that area - not all, but he showed well there regardless.

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Liz in SD — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:29:28 GMT

OK Super D's it's time--get behind our nominee. By holding back it looks to all the world that you have little confidence in our candidate. That won't bode well in Nov. If your a Leader in the Dem Party--Now is the time to Lead.

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sem, va — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:31:19 GMT

Look I think the bigger victory is that one where despite negative ads by RNC linking the candidates to Obama/Wright, ALL the three won (with missisipi latest). This proves Obama's argument that he is CHANGING the electoral map. Remember, that Obama is about CHANGE, and BIGGER CHANGES are yet to come from now till his two presidential terms.

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Brother Odd — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:32:37 GMT

Obama can not win the general election. He will not bring people together. He will be a divider. He has no experience to bring about change. He is all talk.
I like many others, can not vote for Obama or Mcbush. I will vote for Hillary or another or stay home.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:33:02 GMT

"Desperate" Hillary is only in the primary to sucker her supporters to bail her campaign out of debt, not to help the millions she claims. She is only serving herself and not the party or the people. She's still going to lose despite her too little too late big victory in an insignificant state. Heck 7% of those voters were too dazed and confused to be able to pick between two candidates and picked something else.

Go Obama 08/12!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:33:03 GMT

Watched Hillary's speech last night and Chris Matthew's conversation with Terry Mcauliffe who has to be the biggest jerk, nerd and idiot around. The guy is a loser, a goof-ball. He would not own up to any serious questions asked of him as to just how Hillary was supposed to win this nomination and acted like a clown throughout the entire interview. He obviously is sticking around just to make money off the Clintons. Thank God Obama has won this nomination. It would be bad enough having to listen to Mcauliffe's clownish babble for the next four years let alone Hillary. And Matthews seems to like Mcauliffe. Says something about Matthews.

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Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:33:21 GMT

There is absolutely no reason for Hillary to conceded when Obama is barely ahead of her in delegates, and there are a lot of unpledged delegates out there. She may still win the overall popular vote. And when the Florida and Michigan problem is solved, then the supers will ultimately decide all of this. Obamabots talk about playing by the rules...well, the rules say superdelegates may consider ANY factor in deciding who to support, and thus, are not beholden to the actual primary results. So, with that said, I repeat, let them all vote!

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Ron, TX — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:33:30 GMT

The Mississippi Congressional seat is by far the bigger story. Obama lost WV by just as much as he was expected to lose WV. It's not a very big deal because we don't have a single general election poll from the state comparing Clinton/Obama v McCain, which makes the primary results useless for determing general election potential.

The fact that Democrat Childers won by 5-6% with Obama's endorsement, and the GOP was flinging every last bit of mud and weak association with Rev. Wright that they could at Childers, and it fell on deaf ears. The Republicans lost anyway. THIS is the storyline that the superdelegates were staying up last night watching.

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Peter NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:41 GMT

Yesterday’s Nebraska beauty contest is 49% vs 47%, what is the caucus result in Feb? What a big difference, it only tells Obama's caucus win is not real.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:35:20 GMT

Score another victory for Obama as he helped a third Democrat steal away a repugnant ones seat. "Irrelevant" Hillary has helped no Democratic candidate win a congressional office in the special elections.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Carole, Ft. Lauderdale, FL — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:35:52 GMT

What is more important, Chuck Todd?

Clearly the answer is: Anything that allows MSNBC to disregard Senator Clinton's significant victory last night.

MSNBC will do anything to create animosity, to generate news where there is none, to generate support for Obama and against Clinton for no discernible reason. It has encouraged Clinton voters NOT to vote for the past two weeks, for goodness sakes, and they came out and voted anyway.

It has devoted entire days to beaming out Mika's smug, smirking, snide elitist Obama-supporting countenance for months on end to us uneducated unwashed masses of Clinton supporters.

Why should you acknowledge Senator Clinton's victory? Why should we expect you to behave like responsible journalists and discuss in a meaningful way the propriety of the DNC's disenfranchisement of MI and FL, two states that the Democrats must win to win back the White House, along with PA, W VA, and OH? Oh, you have an agenda? Your agenda makes Faux News look fair and balanced.

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BJ, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:36:42 GMT

Still proves only one thing to me ..I still can't trust...CAN'T TRUST Billary...rewriting the rules is their mandate...and it is all because there is no UNITY in this Party....Howard Dean is in control of a lose cannon and it shows.

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Chuck in Seattle, WA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:36:49 GMT

Domenico and Chuck,

How will NBC/the A.P. call Oregon next week as it's all vote-by-mail. I.e. there will be no standard exit polls. Do you just have to wait for the data to appear? (Same goes for WA State in the general election.)
Thanks!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:37:07 GMT

I get a real laugh at how "Hypocrit" McCain is trying to claim to be the greenest candidate. While he means environmentalism, which is another self delusion, it really means he's the least experienced to lead our country forward into the future he's helped trash for so many decades.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Pa voter — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:37:09 GMT

Sen. Obama did not even obtain 30% of the VOTE !! WHAT does this tell you? He cannot win with working class voters...

SO THE "typicle white, bible clinging, gun totting, antipathy tyoward others who are not like them" voters.

SPOKE VOLUMES LAST NIGHT!!!

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Jim Patrick, Buffalo, NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:37:33 GMT

"...the Republican Party’s poor brand and its voters’ lack of enthusiasm right now tell us a WHOLE lot more about the overall political climate than last night’s West Virginia results do."

Another barometer indicator is the panic shown (before yesterday's MS voting) by Boehner and Cantor in twisting Obama's words regarding Israel, presumably premised on the tactical notion that the best defense is a strong offense.

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Obama/Casey — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:37:34 GMT

Clinton's overexhuberance is "Much ado about Nothing". Let's put this in perspective--Senator Obama has won 11 states and 567 delegates by blow-outs of 60% or more. She has won 2 states and 54 delegates by 60% or more. He has the far better record. I firmly believe that at this point she is stealing from her supporters in continuing to take money from them, when she knows she cannot legally win this nomination.

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A Conservative Who Likes Obama — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:38:43 GMT

I just don't understand. HRC was supposed to win WV big and she did. So what? Being a conservative I find it interesting that I am drawn to Obama considering how liberal he is. McCain would have been my choice in '96 over Dole; I'm not sure about now and will have to wait and see. Something is going on with Obama that I haven't figured out but like. I am surprised how short peoples' memories are. How can you forget HRC and Ira Magizener (sp) and the secrete and failed health care proposal, the "vast right-wing conspiracy", the pillaging of the White House on their exit and more importantly, the pardons.

I just don't understand; WOE IS ME!!!

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M. Parker, Balto, MD — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:38:47 GMT

What happens when the Peter Paul trial gets into play? Send the whole bunch of Clintons a cake with a file in it? In case you have forgotten, the trial couldn't touch them until she stopped running....hmmmm

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Dan — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:38:48 GMT

Go ahead, downplay the significance of HRCs wins in crucial states. States that could swing votes the other way.
Obama will be wasting money in Florida for he cannot win that state. No way. Same goes for Michigan. And he needs to be shaking with Ohio and PA.

Every electoral vote count in Nov. If he cannot convince the demographics in WV, that speaks volumes. He would lose these states, even if they don't add much to the electoral points, collectively they will make a dent.

He is leading now due to technicality. But this won't be the case in November.

Super Delegates, save us from sure defeat in November. Do not vote for Obama.

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norb — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:40:14 GMT

There is no way that in November that John McCain will become the next president regardless who the Democratic nominee will be. The economy is in the tank. Forclosures at are an all time high. Gas is 4 bucks a gallon. Unemployment is up. All this speculation is just journalistic foder if you ask me. Thousands killed all around the world for no reason. Myanmar tragedy, the recent earthquake tragedy in China. Darfur. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. People are just tired of all this Bush nonsense. Those people who say the will switch parties because their candidate doesn't win the Democratic nomination, in my opinion are pure racists and need to have their heads examined.

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Jack — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:40:20 GMT

Barack Obama has a REAL PROBLEM...

I can't believe Democrats are about to nominate the guy who's gonna be a huge LIABILITY! He can't win the IMPORTANT swing states (w/ the most electoral votes... OH, PA, and FL).

And he can't win w/ just African-Americans and young voters.... Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, blue-collars, and older white women are Hillary's people who've made it clear they don't want to vote for Obama, and they make up a bigger coalition...

Only Democrats can be this clueless!

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Howard, New York City — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:40:48 GMT

it's interesting that you make the 1984 parallel to this race, because I've long believed that Hillary is Mondale without blacks and Obama is Hart with blacks. Who's in a better position to win the general? Uh, no contest.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT grateful for NEW KITTENS for Obama — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:41:12 GMT

Sure she's a strong loser...let's see, her wealth is keeping her in the race for far longer than other candidates would have stayed (once they lost fundraising support), she's refusing to see the math "writing on the wall", she's has no shame and no ethics and all the gall in the world for changing the metric in the world (when other candidates wouldn't have "gone there"), and she has the Clinton brand name and machine politics on her side. Not to mention she started as the inevitable candidate and had major fundraising and superdelegate leads from the beginning.

Yet, she is still in SECOND PLACE. There is another candidate doing better by the rules in the entire race. So the fact that she will end as a strong candidate is commendable but not all that surprising. What is surprising is that she ends in second.

Not to take anything away from her even as she takes things away from Obama, all the time. I am so absolutely sick of her saying that each state she wins is THE pivotal state. It is becoming clownish. Before any Clinton supporter slams me, believe me, I think your candidate is better than that...

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:09 GMT

Wolfson really needs a drug test. The math is there, it's just Hillary doesn't do numbers very good, as evidenced by her $20 million debt.

At least Hillary got her wish
Must be a lot of hard working white Americans in West Virgina. Considering that West Virgina is home to a lot of uneducated people, they are the type of people that would vote for Hillary Clinton.

Giving feisty speeches is one thing, raising money is another. Hillary Clinton has shown America that she does not know how to keep a checkbook. With all the promises and programs she has made(and not having proof on how to pay for them), one has to wonder if she will use all $109 million of the family fortune to get to the finish line and find out she lost?

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Shawn, San Jose, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:59 GMT

Chuck Todd just sinks lower and lower. He's actually quoting a focus group of 11 independents in Virginia and implying that they are representative of all independents?

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Linda in Oregon — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:43:04 GMT

I think it's rotten the way she has convinced all those low-information voters in Appalachia that she has a chance to win.

Taking advantage of people's low education is always awful, and not a trait we want in a President - Oh wait - that's what we've had in the last two Presidents! Okay, a truth-teller will be different and welcome! Go Obama!

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Linda. Boston, MA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:43:21 GMT

"Obama can not win the general election. He will not bring people together."
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Can you at least try to provide some evidence for this? He has won twice as many states as Clinton, has an insurmountable delegate lead, more popular votes, attracts more Independents and Republicans than Clinton, and has broken records with the number of individual donors that have funded his campaign.

Oh yeah - HE'S BEATING MCCAIN IN THE POLLS!!!

And yet, from ALL of that you somehow conclude that he won't bring people together (which he has already done) and that he can't beat McCain (which he currently is)??? I'm guessing you're part of Hillary's uneducated demographic.

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Nashville_fan — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:43:21 GMT

*yawn*

Wake me after Senator Clinton's concession speech.

P.S. I find it very funny that the Republicans are just now figuring out that they may actually need some POLICIES this year, seeing as they have placed the "fear and hate mongering card" one time too many! PRICELESS!

P.S.S. Why did MSNBC keep talking about the percentage of "white voters" last night when the whole state was white? lol

No presidential candidate has ever won every state in a Primary, so why is Senator Obama expected to do so? Don't all candidates have a base of voters who they appeal too - so why is it that Senator Obama is expected to be different?

Obama '08/'12

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Jessica — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:44:04 GMT

Here are some fact for some of you to chew on regarding HRC "BIG WIN" in a BIG important state:

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)

* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 1 State
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (60%)

Sorry HRC supporters. HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obamas BIG WINS.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT grateful for NEW KITTENS for Obama — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:45:04 GMT

I'm throwing my support entirely in with the young people. Go College Dems, go young Dems. They are the ones who will champion the issues that will improve life for my children.

I see the ways older people vote in our town and like many towns, we have difficulty getting the younger voters and the adults with young children out to vote. We need to. We are not addressing issues that will affect them down the line.

As a forties-something mom with young children, I need to have their back. We all should have their backs. They represent moving this country forward for our children and grandchildren. They are the future. Change happens through them.

I was thrilled to see the endorsement, the video, and the energy of the College Dem superdelegates. Go Team! Barack the vote! Our children need you.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:47:13 GMT

If people believe that Hillary is staying in the race because she is so concerned for the people (voters) and that they get to excercise their right to vote I'll bet she has some swamp land in Florida she would like to sell them too. Hillary is staying in the race for one reason, and one reason only. And that is for Hillary. If the tables were turned with 4, 5, 6 primaries to go she would be calling for Obama to get out of the race, guaranteed. How people can buy her pandering is beyond me.

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Phred, NH — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:47:40 GMT

The Clinton campaign remains on life support with the WV primary win. Ought to make for a fun convention when all is said and done. Let everything play out and let's see what we've got. Next up, Kentucky & Oregon, rock the vote!!

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Carol, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:47:49 GMT

The clear message from WV...white working class people will not vote for Senator Obama...that demographic lives ALL over the U.S.

Also, despite the "spin" by the media that the race was over...people in WV went to the polls...that speaks volumes!!

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Derek — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:14 GMT

Chuck Todd,

You're making contradictory statements!

Last night when Clinton was only 100,000 votes ahead of Obama, you said the Clinton campaign was hoping to net 150,000 votes out of WV and would probably only net 120,000...

Now that she has netted the 150,000 votes, you say that they were hoping to net 200,000....

I know you work for NBC and want to help Obama, but what gives??

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Lisa, New Britain, CT grateful for NEW KITTENS for Obama — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:55 GMT

Hey Chuck, she doesn't own the Northeast...excluding NY (and I think that's changing), they seem to essentially split the Northeast and he's gaining. Just in New England, they split the six states and one of those she got was NY. CT went for Obama and we had a closed primary. Our superdelegates have gone overwhelmingly for Obama.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:49:34 GMT

"There is absolutely no reason for Hillary to conceded when Obama is barely ahead of her in delegates,"
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BARELY ahead??? He is up by 160!!! Let's put this into perspective: Hillary netted 12 delegates from her "big" PA win. TWELVE. Well, she would have to have THIRTEEN more victories like that in order to catch up to him. That's how far ahead he is. How in the world you can consider that close is beyond me. She would have to win 95% of all the remaining pledged delegates, which, given proportional allocation, is IMPOSSIBLE. And yet, you somehow consider that "close". You people living in Hillary-Land are delusional.

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Blaine. — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:49:49 GMT

Again, one candidate fell asleep during the month of February and whe she woke up she had lost 11 contests in a row, all by minimum 19%. When will the Clinton supporters accept the fact that there high/negative candidate was negligent while attempting to get the job? Imagine what could happen while she's on it. NEXT.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:50:40 GMT

"The clear message from WV...white working class people will not vote for Senator Obama...that demographic lives ALL over the U.S."
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Then why is Obama beating Hillary in that exact same demographic in Oregon?

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A True Democrat — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:50:47 GMT

All Democrats Please join me in the following pledge:

I [insert name], being a loyal democrat who would rather cut my own wrist off before living through another Bush term via McCain, do solemnly pledge that I will vote for whoever the democratic nominee is in November.

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GO HILLARY!, Fla — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:51:00 GMT

Why should the more qualified, more experienced, more intelligent Hillary give up? Obama may be a fine man, I don't know, have never even heard of him before this race but if he is, his time shall come! It just should not be now when our country has been made the biggest mess and by crooks, ironically, who got elected on "morals & Christianity?" (where was any it?)"we need someone strong, experienced and who knows all the workings and she certainly would be a breath of fresh air & CHANGE!!!

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Deborah Whipp, Tallahassee, Florida — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:51:02 GMT

Obama picks up 4 more superdelegates after Hillary's win in West Va: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/superdelegates-continue-t_n_101646.html

Keep 'em coming!

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Marc, Chappaqua, Ny — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:52:08 GMT

Bush,
Bush,
Bush,

The overiding factor in the fall election will be the "coat-tails" of George W. Bush.He earned that 30% approval rating and the Republican Party is about to "pay the piper" for hijacking our nation, the political process, and the constitition.
Did the Republican Party think that their would not be any ramification from...take your pick:
Katrina, Alberto Gonzales,Iraq, spying on Americans,Rumsfeld, Abu Gharib, tax breaks for the rich, cronyism, outing of Valerie Plame,no-bid contracts, recession, Terry Schiavo,Blackwater, gasoline at $4.00+, torture is acceptable, Tom Foley, Veto of S- Chip, Pat Tillman coverup, Scooter Libby, rendition, abuse of executive privilege, sub-prime meltdown and foreclosures, etc., etc........?

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twinoftwins, WA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:52:12 GMT

Obama will do fine and will beat McCain so we are not worried at all. It is all hype trying to convice people that only these states are important. Well we all are important and we will get enough votes to have Obama as our President. He is a very bright man and he may be new but learns fast. He will not make wrong choises as he will study and take in all information before casting his vote on what to do. Unlike others who just want things there way and don't really think things through. Why we are allowing everyone to be so negitive because of Hillary I do not understand, she is nothing, I never have trusted her of Bill. When I first heard Bill speak years ago I thought of his as a used car salesman so never voted for him, first time I went against my party. I see that MSNBC has people for Hillary allowed to put in their words everyday, but others never get on or only once in awhile.

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Ed, Watertown MA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:53:36 GMT

Hmmm? Let me see:

When Clinton leads, the turnout is down.

When Obama leads, the turnout is up.

If I was a superdelegate interested in coattails for down-ticket races that would be the decider for me. Obama can bring the people to the polls and Clinton can't. If we want a Democratic Congress then Obama should lead the ticket.

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TLA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:53:45 GMT

Does anyone really believe Hillary really will quit at the end of the primaries and support Obama? Every time we start feeling compassion for her, and give her the benefit-of-the-doubt, she pulls a dirty trick, or moves the finish line.

Right now, I seriously believe she is in revenge mode, and holding the Democratic Party hostage. She will relish seeing this to a bloody conclusion - at the convention. She will enjoy destroying Obama, all the delegates who've betrayed her, the party, and perhaps the country. There is true evil behind that fake smile.

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MSierra, SF — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:54:02 GMT

'...Clinton is guaranteed to be the strongest loser since Reagan '76 or Hart '84, and both of those losers...'

How can Clinton be a strong 'LOSER' when 62% of the American people thinks she's dishonest ?

How can Clinton be a strong 'LOSER' when 54% of the American people view her negatively ?

You got it half right..... drop the 'strong'
.... Hillary is a LOSER !

Hillary Clinton cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical, divisive ....... and LOSER !!

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Patrick Casey. Salt Lake City,UT — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:54:52 GMT

It was fun to see Matthews foaming at the mouth when McAuliffe took him to task last night for his total bias in his treatment of Hillary. I just wish The crew at NBC/MSNBC had an ounce of courage, and would own up to their hatred of the Clintons.

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shirley, san jose, ca — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:54:59 GMT

Hillary now claims West Virginia is a 'big' State? Yes, she won big but Obama won by a big spread in several bigger states. Hillary's spin is getting tired.

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Frank — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:46 GMT

Hillary was honest in specifying the "white" working class isn't voting for Obama. Obama gets more than 90% of the Black vote - so obviously that includes the "black" working class.
But of course - ObamaInc and the media have spun Hillary's remarks as "racist."

Obama ADMITTED he had a "white" problem when his billionaire donors asked him why white working class wasn't voting for him. He responded - they're racists clinging to the guns and religion.
Voters don't like being called racists - especially behind their backs.
And they especially don't like Obama "brushing Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe - while the crowds laughs at Obama's mockery of her.

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Lynn Tigard OR — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:52 GMT

The latest poll out today has Obama up 20 over Hillary in Oregon.

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zazzle — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:57:09 GMT

When was the last time the Washington establishment ran a newbie senator for the purpose of "changing" THEM??

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:57:33 GMT

Sorry HRC supporters. HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obamas BIG WINS.
Jessica (Sent Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:44 AM)

No kidding :)

As your list shows... Obama has won as many contests (17) with 60% or more of the vote, as Clinton has won contests in TOTAL!

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White guy for Obama — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:57:37 GMT

GOP is getting ousted. Let's get behind Barack and get this great country turned around and going in the right direction! To you sour grapers, YES Barack (WE) CAN win the general, here we go! (One other note: I'm saddened to see how much hatred and racism still exists in this country, I pray for you)

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Seriously? WV a swing state? C'mon, get real — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:57:41 GMT

Most of WV thought the gas tax holiday was a good thing, that shuold tell you what kind of people are voting for Clinton. They are uneducated and most of them probably don't own a TV or can't read so why expect them to vote for the right candidate?

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campdog — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:11 GMT

How will NBC/the A.P. call Oregon next week as it's all vote-by-mail. I.e. there will be no standard exit polls. Do you just have to wait for the data to appear? (Same goes for WA State in the general election.)
Thanks!
Chuck in Seattle, WA (Sent Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:36 AM)

Interesting Chuck, Thank you. If Oregaon can hold a mail in primary why can't Florida and Michigan?

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Alan in Phx — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:21 GMT

The clear message to the democrats is that to win in the south you have to be conservative on taxes and issues. All three of the so called loses for the republicans were to very conservative democrats. Pelosi hates these people as they will keep all that real liberal stuff from being enacted.

I'll take a conservative democrat over a liberal republican every time.

As long as those who are elected want to keep my taxes low and government smaller that is fine.

So the Dems as an institution need not crow too much as none of the newly elected are close to the pelosi/ried faction as they are to a traditional blue dog/ who in the end will vote for McCain. Split government is best government.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:46 GMT

Chuck, Mark and Domenico this is a really great long detailed article. Some real meat for reading. Thanks for all the great work you've done to keep us informed about what's going on in the race this year.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Deborah Whipp, Tallahassee, Florida — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:46 GMT

Obama picks up 4 new superdelegates after Hillary's win in West Virginia. Keep them coming!

Hopefully they'll get this up on First Read sometime in the next few hours....

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Brian, NC — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:59:54 GMT

What does it say when 80% of the people in WV who voted for HRC stated that race mattered in their decision? I'll stick with those of us color blind, starbucks slurping, chardonay drinking folks who despite HRC's assertions do work hard for a living to keep this country running.

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iowan — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:00:07 GMT

Mrs C's speech was quite painful to watch last night and wholly absent any true enthusiasm or punch, very scripted, very wooden. She is certainly too smart to think there is any chance she can 'win.' Which does leave the curious question as to what she is doing and why?

My take on the first two minutes of her speech is that she said something to the effect that 'I'll stay in as long as you keep helping me.' Which obviously referred to cash money. Surely it must cost a couple of million per week to simply stay afloat, so I have a hard time seeing her going the next three weeks. She's no longer delivering the cheapest shots, although the arguments she is making challenge the remaining tatters of her credibility---and make liars out of her remaining loyalists, which is too bad as at least some of them are pretty decent at playing the game and have 'good hearts' and minds.

I think the view at this point is not so much shouting her off the stage, but wondering why she continues to run up a 2 or 3 airplane tab on a daily basis, plus whatever other expenses she'll incur running 4-5 more state campaigns.

Obama needs the three weeks to get about his other work, which he seems to be doing. This said, I am more convinced than ever that this woman (no, not because she is a woman, people) lacks the skills (and, yes, experience) to run any kind of executive office, let alone the presidency, and should in no way be considered the 'president in waiting', aka vice president. Can you imagine a government run the way her campaign has been? (And, after all, has she run anything else ever?)

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Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:04 GMT

**Attention Hillary Supporters**

I've finally realized... It's time for Change We Can Believe In!

Please join me in turning the page on the old, failed style of politics. Let's join the millions of voters, donors, and supporters who have seen what we have failed to see from the very beginning. Help me embrace the next President of the United States...

Barack Obama!

YES WE CAN!!!

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Crossover Republican — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:53 GMT

Why are we still trying to count "popular vote" in the primaries like there is ANY statistically rational way to do so? Before I get jumped on by someone saying "so you tell me votes don't count?", note the following:

- There is no vote total at all for four caucus states Obama won...was not recorded
- Until this year, there has been no attempt to force states to hold primaries vs. caucuses...so states which held caucuses are dramatically undercounted in any attempt at "popular vote"
- Sen Obama was not on the ballot at all on MI. Before someone says "that was his choice!", I note that it was what all of the candidates who signed the agreement not to campaign there were advised to do...and that all did (Edwards, Todd, Obama, Richardson, Biden...) except for Kucinich and Clinton. Regardless of whether one considers that following DNC guidance was incorrect, the point is that counting Obama as "zero" assumes he would get NO votes in MI--not one. I suspect that is incorrect.
- The FL case is the strongest as all were on the ballot.
These aren't my figurings...Slate e-Magazine did a full analysis of why this "popular vote" discussion with respect to the primaries has no real meaning.
So why are we now seeing it tracked on MSNBC, CNN, etc like it has meaning? The cynical answer would be that if the Clinton campaign asserts it has meaning loudly and longly enough, people will start treating it as if it does. More realistically, we are a democracy, and people will naturally look to "popular vote" as a meaningful figure.

But in this case there are no "apples to apples" numbers for comparison. And any metric where I can give you wildly different numbers based on different assumptions (ex--do I multiply caucus percentages by expected voter turnout for a primary in that state to avoid "disenfranchising" the popular vote totals in caucus states?) should not be used.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:02:15 GMT

It is so satisfying to see the conservative lunatic fringe lose control of the repugnant one's party. So hilarious to see them scramble for a new message to make up for the myriad numbers of screw ups they've made under George "Wrong" Bush.

Anyone who thinks "Panderer" McCain is any different than "Tyrant" Bush is merely self delusional. "Hypocrit" McCain has no intention of actually making good any of his campaign promises except to bribe voters by cutting taxes for the rich and greedy who don't need or deserve them.

Go Obama 08/12!

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carla — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:03:11 GMT

Obama first played the Race Card by allowing Oprah and Michelle to go around the country telling Blacks to vote for THE ONE - the Black one.
Of course the media never considered that racist.
But you can imagine if Hillary supporters had held rallies telling white people to vote for her.

Obama's "hope and change" script doesn't appeal to the working class that needs specificity and concrete solutions - which Hillary delivers.

Also - Obama told his billionaire donors the white working class wasn't voting for him because they're racists.
People don't like being called racists - especially from a candidate that sat in a pew for 20 years listening to hatemongering for whites.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:06:14 GMT

Anyone who votes for "Warmonger" McCain is voting against our brave soldiers. The warmonger has no intention of helping our brave soldiers any more than "Wrong" Bush has done.

It will be more shoddy baracks and hospitals, more chances that they'll have to cheat death for no good reason, and ofcourse they will be kept enslaved in the stop loss, forced slavery policy that keeps soldiers from getting out and leading normal civilian lives and getting decent GI Bill educational benefits.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Jim Black — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:06:23 GMT

I am no supportor of Hillary, but if she happen to win the momination I would vote for her. I think its absoutely short sighted and selfish of any Hillary supporter to say they would not support Obama in the fall. Do you not want more for your children and your country? To put McCain in office to destroy the country further is beyond my train of thought just because you got your feelings hurt! Really, grow up!

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mav — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:06:31 GMT

Jack,
remember the Obama supporters are educated enough to figure that ouT....right? NOT!

The media is masking how big the rift really is!

If Obama is chosen as nominee, then I suggest the obamabots go make an appointment with a therapist ahead of time after the initial shock of McCain winning the GE....they are going to need it! lol!!!!!!!!!!!

Barack Obama has a REAL PROBLEM...

I can't believe Democrats are about to nominate the guy who's gonna be a huge LIABILITY! He can't win the IMPORTANT swing states (w/ the most electoral votes... OH, PA, and FL).

And he can't win w/ just African-Americans and young voters.... Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, blue-collars, and older white women are Hillary's people who've made it clear they don't want to vote for Obama, and they make up a bigger coalition...

Only Democrats can be this clueless!

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nancy — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:06:56 GMT

Obama is ahead by winning undemocratic caucuses in red states that will stay red in Nov.
ObamaInc continues "finding" racist motives in every Clinton remark and distorting their intent.
People don't like race-baiters and are clearly turned off by Obama's race-baiting.
But Obama has used race-baiting all along. Even sending out a 4 page memo instructing staff HOW to cast the Clintons as racists.

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Debbie, Columbia, SC — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:33 GMT

Carol, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida:

So let's all acknowledge "Senator Clinton's significant victory last night."

Don't you mean INSIGNIFICANT? Not much of a surprise with WV. So she gains a small number of delegates; but in the overall race for the democratic nominee - Clinton can campaign until hell freezes over and she still WILL NOT & CAN NOT overtake Obama's lead.

NO CLINTON ON DEM TICKET!! Now they're hinting that Clinton will try to get Obama to help pay off her huge debt, but asking his supporters to contribute to Clinton.

Perhaps she ought to take a class in financial management.

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Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:13:03 GMT

McCain will get all the support from republicans, and all the reagan democrats if Obama is the nominee...thus, ensuring a Mondale type landslide loss for the dems.

But....

If Hillary is the nominee, she will get all those reagan democrats, the independents, and the rest of the democratic party...thus ensuring a Democratic win in November.

Obamabots are handing us a loser candidate. Thanks. If he's the nominee, and McCain wins, all blame is on the Obamabots.

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Brian M. De — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:15:16 GMT

First off that was a great win for Senator Clinton. I like the bigger story that the Republicas are running scared because that now know that lowball tactics towards Obama is not working as well as they thought.Hillary Clinton did well in West Virginia for 3 reasons.1) She and her family campaigned there like their lives depended on it, and she had strong support base due to name recognition. 2) Obama did not spend much time there, maybe there was a reason that is undisclosed. 3) In a state that 1 in every 6 people are on welfare I can understand why the gax tax pander would be a reason to vote for Hillary 67%. Those folks are hurting and any damn lie sounds good to them. I think that if Hillary holds true to her word and helps Obama campaign, I would give her that Appalacian area as a target. That said even her own campaign manager said that there is no way with the way things stand that she has a valid run for the Nomination. Only way to get it is to lie and steal it. By the way all of you people that are so concerned and angered by the treatment of the MI and FL voters why dont you ask Hillary why she would not except the offer of 69 to 59 delegate split of MI. She would have gained 10 extra delegates ,better than the 50/50 original offer? Obama agreed to it. They are really concerned about those voters in her campaign. Puuuuuuuleeeeeeeeeeeeze.

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Matthew, Newark NJ — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:16:13 GMT

THANK YOU "JESSICA"!!!!

"Here are some facts for some of you to chew on regarding HRC "BIG WIN" in a BIG important state:

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barrack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)

* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 1 State
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (60%)

Sorry HRC supporters. HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obama’s BIG WINS."

I am re-pasting your comments because none of those Idiots on Morning Joe and in the Media will SAY THIS!! They are giving her more credence than she deserves!! Please Guys Post this!

Once again thank you "Jessica"! You Rock!!

Not to mention that these people in WV and Kentucky STILL continue to believe all that stuff about Wright and that he's a Muslim. They DO have access to TV and the Internet don't they? How can they STILL believe this crap!? It's a crutch to hide their racism!! Reports say that the economy is their top priority in WV, that they were "hit hard". So WHY would they say they wouldn't vote for Obama if "their" candidate didn't win, when the FACT IS that there is VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLINTON AND OBAMA WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY!!?? You would vote for McCain, knowing FULL WELL that your DIRE SITUATION would continue?? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen! Those same people voted in GW twice against their best interest and then they complain about jobs being shipped overseas and NAFTA (what Irony!). The ONLY people that can improve their situation are DEMOCRATS! I've exhausted all possible reasoning: They would rather support the champion of NAFTA, One Source of their pain or The GOP, who is all for shipping away their jobs over . . . the candidate who has PROVEN RECORD of standing against the same things that has made their lives HELL!! That does not make sense; it defies the very laws of NATURE: Self Preservation. The Only problem I can see is that he's . . . (gasp) Black! This country cannot afford any more this kind of nonsense. The Media Needs to be fair and DEBUNK this crap and call it for what it is. Even the governor of WV is COMPLICIT in this NONSENSE!! Please WAKE UP everybody!!

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Cindy Lou, TX — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:16:55 GMT

Chuckie T and Company,

I really, really, really appreciate your breakdowns of the math. Facts are facts and can't be disputed.

Thanks.

(P.S. I hope the media will keep WV (and KY) in context. It sometimes sounds as though poor, white, non-college-educated voters are the crux of the Democratic Party, while white educated "elitists" with good jobs mean nothing. And what about the African Americans and young voters who are also essential to the Party? Let's keep some balance here, please. I'm insulted that WV (and KY) voters are being given so much weight, especially since some have flat out told reporters they would never vote for a black man. That type of voter should NOT be rewarded with attention.)

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Ed Mc - Atlanta — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:17:06 GMT

The Democratic win in Mississippi shows that many of the so called swing states will likely go Democratic. The backlash against the Republicans is overwhelming.

For Hillary to suggest that only she can deliver West by God Virginia, and that W. Va. holds the key to Democratic success in the General is ludicrous.

Hillary will have to show her mettle by delivering the Appalchian knuckle draggers of W. Va. and PA despite the fact that she won't be the nominee.