Clinton's Florida-Michigan push

Joe Vidden — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:03:04 GMT

It is the delegates that drive O-bomb-a to win most of the states. The problem is that these delegates are not exactly reflecting what the majority of their
constituents want --- Oh yes, these delegates were chosen by the majority thinking they can do the good thing. But when the right opportunity comes, they pick their self-interest first over the people's, i.e., ensure their own re-election by siding with O-bomb-a being the FLAVOR-OF-THE-MONTH regardless the risks/costs associated with it (WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!!!). They are just betting on the fact that their candidate (on training wheels) can win over McCain because of the hype he's generating being an eloquent speaker --- you know, talk is cheap and he can be a good car salesman or a pastor or life coach in another life. It is a fact that the entire nation is sick with a lame duck President. This Mr. Oh-bomb-a loves to reference the past great presidents in this nation to promote his agenda
but quite frankly he's not within the leagues of Reagan and Roosevelt at all and this DOES NOT QUALIFY HIM A LEADER BY NAME-DROPPING. People, ask yourself, what is his work ethics? What is his claim to fame? Just because he has a spotless record does not mean he is Superman or SuperSavior (IMHO, he's more of a
SuperGreenhorn). A message of hope without a plan is useless but a lot of followers does not even have an inkling that he is preying on their emotions --- beware of the Snake Oil Salesman. This is a total disservice to what true American patriotism stands for.

It will be sad day for America because a person on training wheels have a great likelihood of sitting in the top position in DC and will only worsen what Bush has started. The only true hope is that a Republican insider like McCain can set us back in the right direction. He is experienced enough to know what missteps Bush made and wise enough to remedy it. The Republican party (nor the Democratic Party) is not perfect. McCain in several cases disagrees with Bush but since he has no authority over him, what can he do? I don't think switching parties to become a Democrat from a Republican will solve the problem. The only way is to bide his time within the party and if he is elected, IT BECOMES THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE NATION (so technically I don't believe he's flip-flopping but more of positioning himself at the right place and at the right time).

Let's face it, the next President will need to fix Iraq and economy first and then face the rogue states. The only change needed in DC is to identify the road blocks and remove the person(s)/policies causing the red tape and not totally changing everything as what O-bomb-a is harking because total change can ONLY MAKE MATTERS WORSE THAN EVER. A good case are several 3rd world nations where dictatorial leadership/administration is totally changed thru votes, uprising, etc. and nothing came good out of it (Iraq, Philippines, Haiti, etc).

Vote using your head, not your heart. The Democratic Party is making this election like a soap-opera by tugging the hearstrings of the majority of NAIVE Americans not satisfied with the Bush legacy !!!

Remember:
Oh-bomb-a + Selfish Delegates = Total destruction of the nation whose mess was started by GWBush

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MR — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:03:21 GMT

This is so pathetic...women are allowing her to use them to push her own agenda.

LADIES PLEASE...DON'T BUY INTO THIS BULLSH@#T

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Young Democrat — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:05:09 GMT

Am I the only one who is concerned about how Senator Clinton has managed the finances of her campaign and wonders how that would translate to the Presidency? I'm just curious as to how we can expect her to turn the deficit into a surplus (or at least decrease it) when she overspent money in her own campaign and is now in serious debt. Is that how she would manage the federal budget?

For all those looking at the primary results as an indication of how Obama might do in the general, please visit www.realclearpolitics.com and check out the polls for the battleground states. It's amazing stuff! The most shocking of all? Obama beats McCain in Michigan but Senator Clinton doesn't! HA! :-) Obama also wins states that Senator Clinton doesn't and vice versa.

On a final note, some think the general election will be decided on issues such as health care, national security, the economy etc. but I think it may be a lot simpler than that. It may actually be decided on three simple issues:

Patriotism - Does Obama come off as patriotic enough against the war hero (ultimate demonstration of patriotism) in the eyes of independents and swing voters who will decide the election.

Familiarity - Obama hasn't been on the national scence long enough but McCain has and people feel they know him well. Obama however does also have a record of decades of public service. Do the independents and swing voters feel they know him enough and feel comfortable with him?

Race - Do enough people look beyond his race and vote for him.

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Billy, MI — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:05:51 GMT

Stop already. You lost.

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Matthew, Newark NJ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:06:32 GMT

My Goodness!! Why doesn't she just LEAVE!?! She can't win! And she is taking valuable time away that Obama needs to be intimate with the American People!! Why is she so SELFISH!!??

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twinoftwins, WA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:08:02 GMT

Hillary please quit trying to get the people confused, Obama is the winner and he is who we choose. It is now time for you to leave the race and be a good sport.

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joe Oklahoma city Oklahoma — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:08:59 GMT

why now hillary? i think that the call for the voite should be the dnc, not you after all there is a little detail, with your name on it, but then again your word have never been worth much

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Teresa, OH — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:09 GMT

Still waiting for the graceful exit?????

I think it's wayyyy too late for that !!!
Sheesh !

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jim — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:18 GMT

IS SHE STILL AROUND OR AM I HAVING A NIGHTMARE!!!

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Susan L., Redmond, WA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:21 GMT

I started out last year not liking Hillary Clinton because of her war vote, her Kyl-Lieberman support, and her flag-burning anti-free-speech bill. But after more than a year of her campaigning, I can say, without reservation, that I despise her now with the burning hot passion of a 1000 white-hot suns. She doesn't deserve anything but a one-way ticket back to New York. And if they want to keep her, they're nuts!

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Republicans for Obama — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:24 GMT

she said. “I personally believe these caucuses are terribly unrepresentative".
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Hmmm. Something tells me she would be singing a different tune if she had WON....or even been competitive in the caucuses.

The people have spoken Hillary.....and they did NOT choose you.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:26 GMT

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Tom, Charleston, WV — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:10:52 GMT

Facts prove that all of Hillary’s recent wins have been due to the white racist dividend that she wholeheartedly embraces and rechristens “white-working class.” Why does the media mimic this hogwash and refuse to charge her with relishing one of the most disgusting facets of our history and culture? She continues to be the ugliest, dirtiest politician imaginable. Imagine if this was Germany and she was embracing Neo-Nazis and referring to them as “white Christians.”

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CitizenJ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:22 GMT

She thinks caucuses are unrepresentative because she lost them, and she never had a problem with punishing FL and MI before she started losing.

I can't believe anyone is still buying this bullsh**

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tgriff, sea — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:34 GMT

Broken? So quit breaking it with ridiculous and fabricated calculus & fallacious arguments. Oh brother!

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MI, Rochester NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:44 GMT

Hey Chuck - Can FR find another time, before the onset of this nomination, that Clinton has expressed the need to change the way we elect presidents?

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Chad, Salt Lake City Utah — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:47 GMT

Joe Vidden... Name Calling is not a great mark of intelligence. Oh wait, you Clinton supporters are proud that you are uneducated. Kudos to you then!

The problem with Clinton's argument is that she doesn't want to count all the votes, she wants to count most of the votes in michigan and florida, and just pretend the 45% of michigan that voted anybody-but-clinton don't really matter.

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Tony, GA. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:57 GMT

So now, nearing the end of the Primary, she decides to attack the DNC directly; in spite of agreeing to all of the rules when the first rulings came down on states moving up their primary(s) in an un-authorized fashion?

Super Delegates need to protect the party at this point!

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Matt, NY, NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:16 GMT

Here's the deal:

You can't determine the clear intent of the voters.

OK, most who voted Hillary in Florida meant to, similarly Obama in Florida. But how many people didn't vote because they were told it didn't count? How many people just voted for the name they recognized without any knowledge of the other candidate? How many of those would have changed their minds if there had been any campaigning in the state?

Then Michigan is a far greater mess. How many people voted Clinton because neither Obama nor Edwards was available? How many 'undecided' would have voted Edwards? How many didn't vote because their candidate was not on the ballot?

It's despicable to attempt to claim the Michigan vote should stand, and disingenuous to claim that Florida was a truly fair representation of the educated choice of all Floridians.

What's more, the states should be punished for breaking a very clearly stated party rule with very clearly stated consequences. To seat their delegations in full would only encourage a bigger mess next time around than the farce we're having already.

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MSierra, SF — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:51 GMT

Last night, on MSNBC they said that if Hillary tried to push too far on the illegal delegates.....

The party elders would come down on her like a ton of bricks
They'd all go to Obama at one time
(rather than dribbling out to him)

In short, they'd give Hillary the (well deserved) bum's rush

NOBODY'S BUYING Hillary's self-serving games

The party is moving on....
NO MORE CLINTON CORRUPTION

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Lloyd, Canada — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:30 GMT

Keep on pounding away Hillary.

You are the only answer to Save America.

We need solutions, not rhetoric and the same old same old.

Your solitions will bolster the economy which is in a tail spin.

Lead from Day One. Get things done.

Hillary in '08

Take it to the convention floor if you have to.

Have a good knock down drag 'em out debate.

State your case and have Obama stat his.

In the end Hillary will be the winner

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Mike, chicago — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:41 GMT

Is no one questioning her flip-flop from signing a document agreeing not to participate (taking away the votes)in FL and MI and her stance now as "the fighter" to get their votes counted??? There are two issues, 1) should FL and MI votes been taken away, 2) The Clinton campaign's flip-flop. I've not seen any journalist press the campaign on the second issue. When the question is brought up, the Clinton campaign responds saying the votes should count, again the question is when and why did she change here stance on this. To me this is like her voting for the war, then saying she thought it was to force diplomacy or her voting for the banking bill, then hoping it wouldn't pass. She is either a flip-flopper or somone who can't extend her thinking out two steps...If I don't participate in the election, then the votes won't count, and if the votes don't count, the delagates won't be seated. Someone from MSNBC please press the campaign on this.

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Mike, Albany NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:43 GMT

Does she think that we FORGOT that she agreed that FL and MI would not count?

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Jake Sol, KY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:44 GMT

Gee, I don't remember her criticizing the nominating process when she was the prohibitive favorite.

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PR, Renton, Washington — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:45 GMT

Obama recently had agreed to the split of Michigan, however, Clinton rejected it because it wasn't what SHE wanted!

Will someone tell her to please to stop lying and just SHUT UP!

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Not 4 Clinton Anymore!!! — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:49 GMT

May 21st, 2008 1:01 pm ET
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I'm from a small town in central Ohio &, up untill last night, I was a CLinton suppporter. After hearing Obama compliment & praise her - trying to repair the Democratic damage that I now see that SHE has caused - then hearing her insist that all of my neighbors' votes for Obama 2 months ago will NOT COUNT! I converted because she's trying to make a case that she - knowingly & WILLINGLY - acknowledged that the MI/FL votes would NOT be counted after moving up their primary, & knew that the 2 states delegations would be PUNISHED for it! NOW they matter to her! 48 states followed the rules, 2 didn't: now all of our votes will be overturned because of Clinton's selfish, erogant, "republican-esque" deviance! And then to LIE to those poor people in the Appalachians; promising them things she will NEVER provide; playing on their biases of people of color, "fanatical" preachers, "gas tax holidays", etc.!!! Diplorable!!!!!!

WOW!!! Am I glad that my eyes are FINALLY opened! I can NOT support a "candidate" who shrugs off the needs & wishes of the people & panders to the biasness of the corrupt ones "in charge"!!! Nor can I support an "indiviual" who intentionally injects race & sexism into each speech she makes, attempting to make herself look as though she's being "picked on"! Give me a break!!! As a middle-aged woman, I have NEVER behaved like a little girl to get my way!!!

Hillary Clinton - along with John McCain - is setting the women's movement BACK 100 years! REAL women should stand up & DEMAND Hillary Clinton repair HER OWN damage & immediately STOP the immature, UNPROFESSIONAL, & destructive behavior before she hands the presidency back to the republicans in November!!!

I'm for Obama in 2008 - If Hillary Clinton is NOT rewarded with, and PERMITTED to, STEAL this nomination away from him OR force herself onto his ticket as VP!!!!!!

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Capt. Smash, Salt Lake City, Utah — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:14:18 GMT

So now she wants to change it for the 2012 election. You know if she is behind in 2012 she will saying it's not fair. We should have left it like it was in 2008.

Come on Hillary, please the right thing, please!

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Sick of HRC in Florida — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:14:46 GMT

Pathetic! are there any cards left for her to play? Next, she will be telling us that the MSM is against her and preventing her from being elected because she was "born a poor black child". Does she have enough time to make PR the 51st state? Get working on that Hillbilly!
Suck it up HRC and take the responsibility for your own failed campaign. This was your election to loose and you did, through no ones fault but your own!

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Jack Hussein Donovan, Cedar Rapids, IA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:14:51 GMT

It's time for the Clintonites to grow up and stop throwing sour grapes. Get behind the Democratic candidate and let's beat McSame! There is way too much at stake for our country's future than to keep whining about the nominating process. It's over and Obama won. I know, you think that you're smarter (although probably less educated - sorry, but that's Hillary's proud demographic) than the millions who support Obama, but it's time to focus on the larger issue rather than being hung up on your ego.

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sickofitall, philly — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:15:05 GMT

“I personally believe these caucuses are terribly unrepresentative. … [And] I think that what’s happened with Florida and Michigan raises serious questions about the principles of our party.”

THIS is why people don't trust a word from hillary's lying mouth. she had no problem with caucuses until she starting losing 'em! she had no problem with florida & michigan being stripped of their delegates when she thought she wouldn't need them; now they're invaluable. and she has the gall to used the word "principles?"

what a disgusting excuse for a politician. and a poor representative of true, all-powerful womanhood. what a stain on the democratic party hillary clinton and her raggedy campaign have left!

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Rick, Pensacola FL — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:15:24 GMT

Joe Vidden.

Stop, already! She lost, you know, she lost. Deal with reality, and how best to get Senator Obama elected in November. Unless of course, you are stupid enough to want four more years of Bush-like policies.

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CitizenJ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:15:28 GMT

ObamaNIACS can yell and scream all they want.....at the end of the day their candidate is just another Michael Dukakis.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:10 PM)

What does that make Hillary Clinton?

Gary Hart? Jesse Jackson?

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Cubsn08 — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:15:35 GMT

Will all of you stop it! Seriously! The us vs. them thing is getting ridiculous. I understand people don't like being on a losing side. Hillary will be beat. It's basically done. Sure the votes of uneducated, poor people matter. Their vote matters as much as the next citizen. Does the country want uneducated people making decisions? I suspect not. This contest is based on delegates, not votes. Should a baseball game decided by who gets the most strikeouts instead of runs? Come on! The rules of the game were set. Popular vote is not what wins this primary. D-e-l-e-g-a-t-e-s…hello, is this thing on?

Bottom line - the country is headed in the wrong direction. Hillary is not and will not be the answer. Stop voting with your heart and vote with your head. To all the Hillary supporters who are "bitter" about the impending defeat: If you don't like Barack, then stay home in November. That way we couldn't blame you for another 4 years of George W. Bush.

Have a nice day-

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The man with conscience — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:16:02 GMT

Sen. Clinton is daily proving that she cannot be trusted with leadership. When she continues to voice out sentiments like this, what is she teaching generations to come about obeying rules? What is she telling us about sticking to our words, when she signed an agreement and turn around to start blackmailing the party? If care is not taken Sen. Clinton may go down as the one that destroyed the democratic party in year 2008.

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Pa Voter — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:16:53 GMT

*****Wow !! How convenient !

NOW that Sen. Obama has the majority of pledged delegates ---he's off to Florida!
Where was he several months ago when Floridians needed him most???? Answer --on the beach in St. Thomas! Now that he seems to have wrapped this up---suddenly he's singing a different tune!

How convenient of him! Trust me --Floridians are not that stupid and come November --they will remember!

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John, Washington, DC — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:17:36 GMT

Why aren't you challenging Clinton's ridiculous popular vote claim? I read a post about it this morning that seems appropriate: http://www.ourrepublicblog.com/2008/05/media-fails-to-challenge-clintons.html

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Rita, Oklahoma City, Okla. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:17:37 GMT

Trench warfare has begun. Hillary is deliberatly open with her efforts to divide the party on gender and race, create enough bitternesss to weaken and defeat Obama in November, while smacking the DNC across the mouth for their silly rules and paving a path of destruction for their convention with every intention of mounting her campaign for 2012. It's clear what she is doing and she has said it. The democrat leadership is foolish, conceding, wobbly and without principle to permit Obama to carry all the water while they cower over Hillary. Disgusting.

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Al, KS — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:18:23 GMT

Take out the caucus states...add Fl and MI...and Hillary has this thing all wrapped up. Are the goal posts even in the stadium anymore? So what she is really saying is that Obama will win, but it won't be representative of the voters.
I voted in a caucus state. I drove 1 hour in snow and ice to cast my vote....but I am unrepresentative.
Thanks for marginalizing my vote, Hillary. Thanks for saying that the 4 hours I spent, exercising my constitutional right was somehow not valid.
Every superdelegate from caucus states should immediately rise up and cast their support to Obama.

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Make Hillary go away — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:18:35 GMT

Can anybody make her go away far away. I am so tired of this primary until I am not looking forward to the general. I was so excited about this election. You make think I'm kidding but it Hillary steals this election, I will stay home and encourge as many people I can to stay home because she just want this nominee to make history and I convinced she cares lest for the American people and I cannot understand why people cannot see this. Hillary is the author of confusion along with Bill. Please, please make them go away.

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Jim Fl — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:18:38 GMT

I am an Obama supporter from Florida . I was informed by the DNC that the Florida primary would not count. I and thousands other Obama supporters stayed home as a result. If the DNC now decides to count the primary results we will file suit in federal court.

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Michael, New York, NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:18:47 GMT

Why is it that Senator Clinton thinks she has the authority to make up any rules she wants so long as they benefit her and give her the illusion that she leads in a category when she does not lead in any category whatsoever!

i am so tired on Clintonites making up and revising election rules to fit their distorted view of the primary process.

you LOST fair and square by the rules you agreed to when this process began. just because you ran a mismanaged and unorganized campaign (which reaffirms that you are unable to manage a campaign let alone a country)does mean you get to make up any barometer you choose to steal an election.

GO HOME! and take Bill with you please!

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The - Democrat Soldier — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:15 GMT

My fellow Americans...Pander this for a moment.

Obviously any sane minded person would know Hillary Clinton does not have a chance in becoming the Democratic Nominee.

SO, what is all her madness about? Well, I think I have it.

She has been playing the race card, I.E. - Hard working white Americans...KY, WV and the like.

She has won largely amongst those groups of people. (The kind of group, that don't want a Black man in the White House). Now, she is talking "sexist" in appeasing to the feminist group (The women that would rather have her in the White House than a man).

NOW what does this do for Hillary...It allows her to develop a "base". IN which, if she sabotages the chance of Barack Obama becoming President, She wins and become the HERO to her newly develop "base"

If she become successful in ruining Barack Obama's chances to the Presidency; she rises above as the “great crusader” and will have a dedicated "base" to help her win in 2012.

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tj dallas, tx — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:17 GMT

She needs appeasing. This is truly insane. I have voted Republican every year since Reagan and finally get excited for someone and have to live with her crap again. The superdelegates are true cowards for not coming out before now. She even brings petty, decisive politics to her own party. If Obama had not been different from prior candidates he would have brought her through the mud as she did him. The Republicans never had to use that on her as they were saving for the General in case. Only one candidate vetted here.

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Deborah, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:26 GMT

And you're not reporting on Clinton's $20M campaign debt because???????????????????????????????????????

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Doug, Renton, WA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:39 GMT

Zogby/Reuters poll out today shows Obama with an 8 point lead over McCain nationally. It also shows Obama with a 26 point(!) lead over Clinton among Democrats. Those of you who keep saying that Hillary is more electable than Obama in the general are as delusional as Hillary herself thinking that she can still win the nomination. Time to come together people!

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Serena, Westwood KS — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:42 GMT

OK so caucuses are not representative, but primaries where only one candidate is on the ballot, or where no campaigning was done, are representative? I personally went to caucus for the first time in my state. I and the others there had to be more determined for our "vote" to count than in primaries where I have voted in the past. Caucusing was a longer process than walking into a and out of a voting booth. Caucusing is also a public declaration, so you must have conviction for your choice. Please stop making it sound like those of us who made that effort are less valuable. My opinion should be just as valuable now as it was when I lived in a primary state. I'm the same citizen of the United States of America, as are the others in caucus states. Listen to our voices too.

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Brad, white rural PA voter for Obama — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:51 GMT

Oh, the hypocracy!

Hillary had no problem with the DNC penalty of FLA/MI until she needed their support to make her case for the nomination stronger.

Hillary says we should not disenfranchise the FL/MI voters, but that is exactly what she does with her "popular vote" argument, which totally disenfranchises the voters in states that held caucuses (where popular vote totals don't get counted).

It's sad how Hillary views caucuses with such disdain. Caucuses are a true measure of how passionate voters are for their candidate, as it takes an extra effort to participate, compared to a primary. If Hillary can only inspire most people to pull a lever for her, rather than go the extra mile to participate more, then perhaps that is another indication of how uninspiring she really is.

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reyagain, cleveland ohio — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:20:30 GMT

Here are my thoughts:

Where was the indignation over FL and MI not being counted when they signed the agreement before the campaign. Surely there must have been some idea that it was not fair to FL or MI at the time.

Secondly, the popular vote that ensures that we count every voter? What about those caucus participants? Is there position in our party less important?

Those who say that this is not hurting the party, I believe are mistaken.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:20:59 GMT

Clinton talking about Principles? Ha!

If we count Michigan and Florida, we need to figure out a way to calculate the popular vote of the four caucus states that Hillary wants disenfranchised (they did not have a popular vote, so they no longer count under Clinton's shill)

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Hussein — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:21:55 GMT

Clinton Protest Voters for McCain: Especially angry women!

it will be funny when a women's reproductive rights are federally governed and essentially revoked, and when their childrens futures are diminished by a failing education policy and no chance of attending college, and when their families lose their homes, and when they lose loved ones in senseless wars, and when an illness creates havoc in their lives.

Now all of these things are horibble, but it will be funning that those Americans who need government the most (both Hillary and Bill contend so) will effectively step all over their own toes.

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Fontapa, Portland, Maine — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:16 GMT

It is time, Superdelegates & DNC. She's been throwing the party under the bus to win this thing since day one. It has now gone on long enough.

Superdelegates, you need to act. What kind of cowards are these people?

DNC- Why are you SOOO SILENT!?!

Rebuff her, now. Come out with a strong statement letting people know that Clinton supported these rules, rallied behind them, and is wrong to suggest it is disenfranchisement.

Where the heck is the DNC pushback? Don't they see that every time she lies about the rules and the system, and they don't respond to correct her, people beleive her BS more? Just one smackdown on the 2026 rule would be SOMETHING at least!

Why are they letting her RUN this party? Who's in charge here?

We need Obama now more than ever. We need to reform Washington, before these spineless fools are all that's left of our party and our leadership.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:29 GMT

Clintoon would indeed be singing a different tune about the caucuses had the results been different. And her signiture is still on the DNC rules when she thought these 2 states would play by the rules and give her a win. Now all of a sudden, she's got a different slant to all this. She's so tiresome...and so destructive to the Democratic Party.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:43 GMT

“The lesson is if you can discern the clear intent of the voter, why would you punish the voter?"
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So does Hillary ACTUALLY think that giving Obama ZERO votes from MI represents the true "intent of the voter"???? What BS. Giving Obama the uncommitted votes would be the closest thing be ACCURATELY representing the will of the MI voters, but of course she doesn't really care about that. She just wants to win. She is despicable.

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Amy, TX — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:51 GMT

There are 5-8 lies/manipulations -- depending on your definition -- in Hillary's statements.

All of them are playing on people's emotions -- particularly Floridians who were treated badly in 2000 and again by their state leaders in this primary.

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

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indie11 — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:00 GMT

Clinton is so full of it, I can't believe my republican friends were right about her all along. now I have to eat my words for defending her since the monica incident.

she could care less about the party, there have been several deals offered in FLA and MI approved by the Obama campaign and the states. she has turned them all down because she is desperate and thinks its fair to seat them as is when no one campaigned and her old butt has been around 4ever so they voted on name recognition.Even though she said "We all know these votes aren't going to count for anything." and signed a pledge. her signature and word are worth nothing and she wants to be president?!

if she is the strongest candidate as she claims, why doesn't she have the delegates to prove it? she should have enough delegates that it should have been over by now and supers shouldn't need to get involved. she had all the built in advantages her hubby is a two term president! all that money and influence and still behind. she can't take the fact that she is getting beaten by a rookie so she'll just change the rules right?

the superdelegates aren't going to her because everyone knows she is going back on the DNC rules agreed on by EVERYONE because she has no honor and will do anything to win. if popular vote counted and was agreed on AT THE BEGINNING people would have campaigned differently to meet that standard. At least those who knew how to run a campaign...
popular vote means as much now as it did to Prez Gore...

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Scott, California — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:11 GMT

Mike in Chicago, you've hit the nail on the head. Self-respecting journalists should be red-faced at how they've handled this. In addition to what you mentioned, I have NEVER seen an interviewer take Howard Wolfson or anyone else in the Clinton propaganda machine to task on the issue on Popular Votes. It's a worthless metric. Votes from 4 caucus states can't be included.

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sg, michigan — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:29 GMT

Hillary Clinton is loosing this race. But she still touts that it's not her fault. She blames a faulty Democratic process, caucases, Michigan and Florida, sexism, etc.

It's simple. Hillary ran on an "exprience" platform when most people wanted change. Also, she continuously changes her personna everywhere she campaigns which makes her look disingenuous (she's from Illinois, Arkansas, Washington DC, New York, Pennsylvania, a big city, a small city, she's the strong candidate, now she's the sensitive candidate, etc.). Her pandering chameleon tactics just makes her look foolish.

Hillary Clinton has a very high disapproval rating. It's not just Republicans that hate her. Many Democrats feel duped for defending her and Bill during the 90's--because they did prove themselves liars.

And as a Democrat, I'm embarrassed at how Hillary constantly bucks her own party. She's the one demanding that the rules change to favor her race. We see it with changing the delegate goal, upholding flawed Michigan and Florida votes, poaching superdelegates.

Hillary, please stop. You and Bill have had charmed lives already. You already lived in the white house for two terms. You continue serving in a very elite club as US senator. You've become a multi-millionaire many times over. Let some fresh blood into the white house.

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Noel, Hot Springs, AR — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:38 GMT

Obama ran his campaign to win the delegate fight. Those are the rules. To now say it is popular vote is just out of line. If those were the rules to begin with Obama may have run his campaign differently and won the popular vote. There is no way to tell. It would be like playing soccer on a football field where the soccer goal is under the football gaol and giving a team 3 points for kicking the ball over the soccer goal and through the football goal. Hillary, you have lost the game, period. As for the argument that the super delegates are suppose to pick the best ccandidate, that too is a stretch. They are suppose to prevent the party from nominating a certain loser, a candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning. I don't think that Obama can be described that way.

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Diane from Illinois — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:42 GMT

Not 4 Clinton Anymore!!! ,

Welcome to Obama-land! Glad you saw her for what she is and have made a decision to open your heart to Barack. He is the BEST bet for change and I believe he will make a great President and make us all proud.

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Brenda — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:27:44 GMT

Please throw a bucket of water on the hag NOW!!! She's melting, she's melting, get the Good Witch of the House Nancy to come down and shoo her away.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:20 GMT

Hillary is the only hope this party has.
Without her at THE TOP of the Democratic ticket, we are doomed to be defeated (yet again) by the Repuiblicans and John McCain.
ObamaNIACS can yell and scream all they want.....at the end of the day their candidate is just another Michael Dukakis.
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:10 PM)

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Wow, we haven't heard from you in ages! Just remember to show up for the victory party on November 5!

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Tired of Being Tired — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32 GMT

It is a exercise in futility to be on here criticizing either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. It doesn't matter what Clinton supporters think about Barack and his chances in November. Hillary has no chance in November; what is all the debate about?

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Turnabout is fair play, St. Petersburg, FL. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:29:13 GMT

"Remember:
Oh-bomb-a + Selfish Delegates = Total destruction of the nation whose mess was started by GWBush

Joe Vidden (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:03 PM)
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Your ranting speech above almost gave me pause to think you were intelligent but your constant use of "Oh-bomb-a" totally trashed that argument. It just shows the ignorance and arrogance of Hillary supporters like you who are bitter because she is not going to win. I could be immature and call her Hitlery but it would just bring me down to your level of stupidity. Your rant actually sounds just like Hillary and that fact that you just don't want to see an "uppity n!gger" in the Whitehouse and can do nothing about it is driving you insane. You need to look at your tapes on McInsane when he said, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and then you tell me who is more stable and experienced with dealing with our nation's problems in the foreign world. It isn't Hillary, that's for sure, she who wants to "obliterate" a whole country of innocent civilians if their military attacks Israel..yeah, just do some research and rethink your position before you spew your racist name-calling rants on this blog. Hillary has LOST, now get off it and do the right thing to help your party or leave it.

Obama/Sebelius '08!

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Michelle Zee — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:29:22 GMT

Hillary is no threat to the Democratic party.

We the People have the POWER! It is funny she should mention hanging chads and the voters in Florida in 2000. Where was her voice in 2000? And why is she proudly accepting the fact that proud racists folks are much of her base? She is not a unifier, she is an opportunist and that does not embody America's value.

I remember her saying she loves America for what it can become...well with her, more racist than anything. Down with the drama and time to turn the page on that ugly chapter of our history.

All I know is I am one tired proud Democratic American and Democrats need to stop this drama. As much as the Republicans dislike McFlop, they are with him all the way!

**AS A FLORIDA NATIVE...WE LET BUSH AND HARRIS STEAL THE ELECTION IN 2000 AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN 2008, WILLING TO THROW IT AWAY AGAIN.

THE REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY PUT FLORIDA IN THEIR WINNING COLUMN...WAKE UP!

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Sam, Lexington, Ky. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:29:31 GMT

I am woman, hear me roar! PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE HILLARY GO AWAY!

Fiftyish, white Kentucky woman for Obama!

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L - MI — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:00 GMT

ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I did not vote b/c my vote WASN'T GOING TO COUNT! What about those of us who did not show up to the polls? Unlike FL, there wasn't any compelling issues to get out the vote in the Snowbound state.

SHE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE SHE STARTED LOSING! Of COURSE she left her name on the ballot - she has every backdoor sewn up - except for an exit strategy. Or a winning strategy.

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Brian M. De. — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:04 GMT

They should make a 50/50 split of the delegates. But by no means should any of the vote count!!! This way the voters get a say and Hillary does not get a advantage from her unfair tactics. By the way it is getting to be time for the lady in the pantsuit to sing.

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Cordell, Oakland — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:07 GMT

Lloyd:

When did Canada get a say in this election?

Perhaps Hillary can claim Ottawa and Ontario voters too.

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donna — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:14 GMT

The Clinton's fained concern for the voters end at the edge of the crowd that support Hillary's candidacy. She disses all others as inconsequencial, and of no importance. She openly advocates that the supers overturn the will of the majority of democrats, by way of declaring our decision as 'wrong'.

Her more toxic supporters spouting off incessantly in posts with no let up, and no change in content, (Pat of Huntington NY, and all of the Nobamas come to mind), are just as arrogantly undemocratic.

There are folks in Florida, and Michigan whose votes will not be counted until November, because they believed Hillary when she said that their vote would not count, and stayed home. What about them?

I don't pretend to know what Hillary's intent is with all of her writhing about. However, if the outcome of her shenanigans holds true to form, her, and her supporters pain will only be further deepened, and farther drawn out.

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ID, GA — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:15 GMT

I bet if the DNC would let FL and MI have a re-vote.....Hillary would loose both states, because now voters can see the differences in Obama and Clinton......Hillary must have forgotten about the voters in FL and MI that didn't vote.

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Andress — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:20 GMT

This is why Hillary will not be vice president:

Obama can not trust her (or Bill) period! Enough said. He needs some one who represents experience and the military leadership who does not have baggage, and can cross party lines: Colin Powell comes to mind--I wish.

At this point--Hillary needs to be stumping for Obama just to get back in his good graces--she has a lot to answer for the way she ran her campaign.

And one other thing: you have to be a fool to believe Clinton is ahead in the popular vote--she isn't. As usua she is lying to the American people (twisting the truth)
The truth is is behind in the popular vote even if you count Florida. It is impossible to count Michigan because Obama's name was not on the ballat. That said, if she did want to throw Michigan into the math, which she has, then she would need to at least give Obama the no contest votes--which she has not. Why? So she can lie to America one last time.

Really, who could stomach someone that is so coniving. I guess the answer is--other people who are lying and coniving.

Here is something the exit polls showed in Kentucky that saddens me about that state. About twenty five percent of the people exit polled said that the reason they voted for Clinton was based on race. I would also venture that about twenty-five percent were afraid to answer that question for fear of being call a racist--an rightly so. Which means about fifty percent of the voters for Hillary are racist.

This is sad and Hillary, if she has any character left in her damaged soul at all, should denounce and reject these "racist voters."

Alas, Hillary has fallen to a very low place, very low.

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karen bourland leawood ks — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:30:46 GMT

You know Florida must like to always be in the news. I am beginning to think that there is a conspiracy to get whoever they want by claiming stupidity every time they vote. I am sick and tired of Florida and sick and tired of HRC !!!!!!!!!!

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Jim, Portland, OR — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:02 GMT

Let's see why don't we give her the delgates from FL and MI (where she agreed with all other candidates to remove her name from the ballot, but did not follow through...sounds like a Clinton to me " I did not have sexual relations with that girl"..."I will remove my name from the ballot"...oh you mean oral sex is sex???...oh you mean leaving my name on the ballot is not removing my name from the ballot. Clinton's are all about what is convenient for them. The problem is they are great politicians, and I do not mean that in a good way, rather a lie cheat and steal way!

So to continue with HRC's name on the ballot she received 55% of the vote 40% where non committed, this can be construed as NOT voting for HRC since she was on the ballot, right? So if those go to Mr. Obama, she would gain exactly 69.6 delgates on Obama from FL and MI, that still leaves her at least 70 delgates behind Obama, she still loses.

Lastly, she is going to say she won the popular vote so she should get the candidacy right? Well a Mr. Gore (who was Scre#ed by Bill's escapades) won the popular vote in 2000, guess what he did NOT get the Presidency.

Can these people play by the rules and lose gracefully, obviously not!

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TEC-spring-TX — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:18 GMT

Just think how quickly the republicans gave up on anyone but McCain. All of those complaining about the prolonged democratic primary battle should just shut up, because this is the kind of debate that America needs. Why should she quit as long as a stalemate is possible? Are we still looking for the silver spoon person to lead the country? We should adopt the Russian method of leadership succession, since we expect every candidate to roll over and play dead for the chosen successor. Why do we have elections? Why do we have debate? Why do we have just two political parties capable of winning a presidential election?

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Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:38 GMT

Another interesting thing about the FL election. There was a property tax measure on the ballot. They had been having ridiculous increases in insurance do to the hurricanes of the last decade. Homeowners were the greatest many to go to the polls. If you didn't own a home, the election wasn't (supposedly) counting for anything else, why would you vote? Check out FL African-American, minority homeownership rates in FL. Huh?

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Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:39 GMT

The voters of Florida and Michigan can be respected and represented without being pandered to.

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Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:56 GMT

Are any of you concerned at all that in Oregon (the 3rd most liberal state in the Union) 32% BELEIVE that obama shares Rev Wright's views!!!

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:32:00 GMT

Hilly you do not have the lead if we use the partys math,But we all know that you have a differant new math.Do you not relize that there are many young people(High school students)that are paying attention to this presidential primary.What would you like for them to take away from this class,that you are a really bad loser,that all a woman has to do is to whin and kick and scream that we will give you your way,try to change the rules while we are trying to teach them to play by the rules,lieing and deciving while we try to tell to be truthfull,showing that playing the race card or the sexist card as a way to change the outcome.Would you like your daughter to be in this class?I would expect more from someone that has a daughter and is watching you preform right in front of her eyes.You are doing more harm then good.

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sick of HRC in Jacksonville — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:32:33 GMT

I'm with you Jim in FL! case law is already on the books since a federal court ruled in december that the DNC had full authority to uphold their rules. See Bill Nelson for details since he filed the lawsuit.

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Voters Have Spoken, Maui, Hawaii — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:32:37 GMT

"Hillary Clinton said in a radio interview this morning that Democrats should learn from the lessons of the hanging chads from elections past and not ignore the will of the voters."

Well, the voters have given Obama a majority of delegates.

Is she now looking for the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters like the Supreme Court did in 2000?

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Jim, Portland, OR — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:04 GMT

And one more thing the republican governor of FL was the one who decided to mess with the primary schedule, yet these HRC candidates want to reward his party for their anger, huh???!

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a voice of reason — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:10 GMT

HRC = sore loser

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MI Chick — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:47 GMT

"Oh by the way Keith, nice talk about our troops. Calling the very people who protrect your right to free speech, 'cold blooded murderers,' isn't very patriotic. Now, is it?
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:17 AM)"

What are you, a moron? KO cleared that up on Monday. Shut up.

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"So to sum up, Obamaorons, screw you and your Deity Barry. Go Hillary
truthteller (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:30 AM)"

Oooooo...THAT'S going to make me support Hillary. Good arguement! Wow - you must have been tops in your debate class.

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"Obama is losing his votes in Florida and Michigan because he is the only one fighting these issues.
What a cheater
alice rea, greenville, sc (Sent Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:36 AM)"

OMG - Alice, are you learning impaired? IT WAS THE MI Legislature that made that decision - NOT Obama, Hillary, or anyone else. It would have been against our state constitution to revote. Just regurgitating HRC talking points do not make them TRUE!

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Tired of broken democracy, FL — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:34:01 GMT

Why doesn't someone just call Clinton out on all this; this is absurd! She is not looking for a graceful exit, she is looking for a way to sneak in the window and steal the nomination. Will no pundit simply point out that Clinton had an opportunity LAST YEAR to voice her concerns about the nominating process, whether it be the exclusion of FL and MI, or the use of caucuses? Where was her passion for a new process then?

The real problem is the democratic party leadership and their inability to move this thing in a clear direction and allow Clinton's rhetoric to feed and sustain party division. She has been allowed to fan the flames of racial and cultural division, she has been allowed to make sexism in aspect of this campaign. Yet no one will come out and say "what is the point?"

The point is that Hillary Clinton still wants the nomination and she's trying to figure out a way to do it. The point is that she doesn't know how to quit. When Romney left the republican race it was because he saw he was not going to be the nominee. Clinton on the otherhand is incapable of making that concession. She can't envision how the country can be changed, how the democrats can succeed without her.

Unfortuntaley the press is a willing accomplice, and all the pundits who say she has a right to stay in. The real question should be: how does the democratic party put its best and most forceful foot forward and put out a message about the future of this country. The time to have a discussion about the nominating process is AFTER the nomination is sewn up...do a post mortem.

Clinton's presence in FL is a distructive distraction for the national debate that needs to take place, and I for one will encourage a boycott of the democratic party because of their inability to respond to the need of the times due to the ambition of a junior senator. And frankly, the support she has out there, in appalachia and other places is merely another form of idiocy by a group of folks who voted for Bush in the last two elections even though he has sent their sons to die in wasteful war.

You want Hillary, you want McCain?! Vote for them!! And see where it gets you...

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Relle — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:34:15 GMT

She is a republican. Carl Rove the man who is in in trouble with the law. She would envoke his name as he goes through questions regarding his tactics. She uses his name. She is a fraud.

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Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:34:29 GMT

I said it before, I'll say it again...had Florida and Michigan's primaries been allowed to proceed as originally planned in January, this race would be over by now. At that time, HIllary was the presumptive favorite. She would have won both states! Such early big wins would have given her unstoppable momentum in the primaries that followed and in money. Obama would've been left in the dust!

Mr. Chairman! Seat those Delegates, as they voted in January!!!!!