Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Teresa, OH — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:51:09 GMT

Today I am embarrassed to be a Democrat.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

MI Chick — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:51:59 GMT

"Second, and more importantly, telling the next generation of Americans that they can't have the lifestyle that their parents enjoy is defeatist and wrong. It is a rejection of the energy, optimism and innovation that has made this nation great.
Vote McCain for 2008
Delmar Fairchild, Barron, WI (Sent Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:50 AM)"

Uhh, hello? WE ALREADY CAN'T! Last I heard, Gen X was the first generation to possibly do worse then their parents. When our parents were making their lives we still owned our country - now we are in so much debt to so many other countries we can't see straight.
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"I believe that the electoral college system needs to be eliminated and the president should be elected through the popular vote.
jeremy rosen, wantagh, ny (Sent Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:16 AM)"

Really, Skippy? The Electoral College was created NOT TO DISENFRANCHISE voters. Otherwise, you will always have the larger population states (NY, CA, etc.) deciding everything, which means the Midwest, the South, and the West state voters should just stay in bed on Election Day. Genius!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Ron, TX — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:52:46 GMT

That's just absurd. They want to talk about disenfranchisement, but they don't want the anti-Hillary vote to count. They want the people that voted against her, that otherwise would have voted for the politicians that FOLLOWED THE RULES if their names were on the ballot, the Clinton campaign just doesn't really want them to count.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Colleen, Ithaca NY — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:54:00 GMT

Obama: The Audacity of Hope

Clinton: The Audacity of Boldfaced Lies and Raw, Naked Ambition

Enough already!
Obama '08

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Tony, GA — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:54:38 GMT

It is now official. Hillary Clinton is seeking to destroy Barack Obama's chances at this year's General Election by destroying the very party itself.

Are there rules that say we can demand a vote of "No Confidence" and throw her out of the party?

THERE SHOULD BE!!

You folks can stop saying the Barack's supporters will support Hillary if she is the nominee; that ship sailed during the KY primary!! The party is broken!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Anna, Michigan — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:54:52 GMT

This is so ridiculous. I voted "Uncommitted" in Michigan as a vote for Obama, even though we'd been told over and over that our votes wouldn't count. Whose voice isn't being heard now?? Anyone in Michigan who happened to support or vote for Obama!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

MI, NY — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:55:10 GMT

I don't have words. I really don't. Nothing in my logical mind can even begin to piece together the amount of crap that falls from the mouths of these people. Sanity has all but gone from the Clinton Camp and I for one am finally done in with it all.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Jay, The Batcave — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:55:34 GMT

Fresh off the Iowa Caucus victory, Obama was a relative unknown when Florida & Michigan held their primaries.

Make no mistake - the Clinton Camp represents no one but themselves.

Obama '08

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Mitch Wright, Denver — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:55:42 GMT

What about all the MI & FL Dems who DIDN'T vote, or who voted Republican, because they were told their Democratic vote WOULD NOT COUNT?

Stop changing the rules!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

L - MI — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:56:44 GMT

I don't BELIEVE this...

Seriously, I can't take this anymore. WHY on earth does Ickes think that the ones who braved the snow and the cold in the MI winter to vote "uncommitted" are OK to be discounted? Oh yeah - 'cause with them OBAMA STILL WINS!

This is so ridiculous. WHY isn't the MSM beating their campaign over the head on this? This is not complimentary to her, nor to her "sexist" argument. It's not OK to be "sexist" be we can still disenfranchise you?

Please make it stop...

BTW - I heard Lisa Caputo on "Verdict" last night saying that no one signed a documents saying that MI & FL didn't count. Is that true? If so, can anyone cite a source where I can read that? Thanks.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Elizabeth, Hot Springs, AR — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:56:58 GMT

I think they have officially jumped the shark. I don't want to sound mean, but do they have no shame?

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

New Independent — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:01 GMT

This is precisely why I changed to an independent!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Geoff in Brooklyn — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:07 GMT

MSNBC: Can you please shed at least some light on why there have been so few (2) Obama superdelegate endorsements since he clinched the pledged delegate majority. Clearly there are some Obama delegates out there (Biden, Carter, Gore, Pelosi) that want to stay out of the heat of the battle. But Obama will need 30 to 70 more superDs to clinch the nomination. Wouldn't the less famous of these prefer to endorse now and then let Montana and S. Dakota technically put Obama over the top? Does the utter silence of the superdelegates imply more Clinton support than the conventiona wisdom allows. Please tell us what you know..........

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Crazy for Obama - Glenwood, IL — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:23 GMT

Unbelievable --- this is why the Super-D's need to put Hillary Huckabee's campaign to bed once and for all!!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Carol, Long Valley NJ — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:29 GMT

Michigan, according to RealClearPolitics is trending towards Obama and away from McCain, and Mr. Ickes doesn't think that Michigan voters want even one delegate for Obama!! Are you freaking kidding me!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/michigan.html

This time do something smart and vote for your wallet, vote for the economy, vote for the environment, vote for jobs.

Vote for the smartest candidate in the race, a real leader (and no that's not McCain -- not by a long shot)

Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

sean, atl, ga — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:33 GMT

Ickes sits on the committee and last year voted to strip Florida of its delegates.
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like 10 $100-bills...that = grand.....Ickes...the guy pressing the most agressively to seat Fla/Mi as 100%, voted to strip them initially....all this flip flopping - perhaps he can join the McCain campaign..he'd fit in nice

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

obama 08 — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:33 GMT

I feel like I am living in some parallel universe.

This entire thing just keeps getting more and more asinine.

Hilary CLinton and her crew of douchebags must really think the American people are stupid.

If I were HRC I would shut my mouth and demand that all the bozo's like Ickes shut theirs also.

She will soon be talking herself straight out of her Senate seat back in New York, which is where she will soon be heading after Obama wins the nomination fair and square

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

politicjock — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:50 GMT

These comments are subversive and make a mockery of the Democratic electoral process. The remaining uncommitted superdelegates should pull the plug on the Clinton campaign, to preserve the integrity of the Party's rules.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Joe — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:55 GMT

Can this get any whackier? Harold Ickes is doing a double standard. He wants Florida fully seated at the convention, yet last year he voted to strip Florida of its delegates.

ENOUGH!!! IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

BL. Cincinnati OH — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:11 GMT

And so they finally admit it. They are trying to get all 128 delegates from Michigan. At the Michigan state convention the Clinton cronies did everything they could to make sure all 128 delegates were Clinton supporters. THAT is why they are pushing for MI to be seated in full. They are going to use Michigan to try and steal the nomination.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Kris Rafferty, Manchester, NH — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:17 GMT

If the democratic party cared about winning more than being "right" we might actually win in November. But we're stupid, so we'll cross our fingers and "hope" reality won't bite us for the third presidential election. And of course, we won't take any chances, we'll infuriate everyone that didn't vote for Obama, rub it in thier faces that thier candidate is sliding by on points, rather than electability, and then we'll blame Clinton when Obama loses in November. Ann Coulter is right. Democrats have no brains.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Peter Noble, New York, New York — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:19 GMT

If the Clinton camp steals this primary I cannot vote for Hillary as she respects racists more and will do anything to win. What does this bode for the future of our country if the president cheats, lies and bends the rules? Oh that's right we already know and she'll be just as bad or worse.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

OhioWantsRevote — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:04 GMT

I guess I would ask Ickes why he then voted to strip Florida and Michigan of all of their delegates?

What about the voters that DID NOT vote because they were told the votes would not count? Do they get to cast a vote?

Go home Ickes.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Daniel, NY — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:07 GMT

A new poll shows Obama up big in Virginia against McCain, but trailing in both FL and OH while Clinton leads. Full roundup: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/05/quinnipiacs-big-state-polls-find.html

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Charles Goodwin — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:12 GMT

“The fact is that punishment was imposed by virtue of not running the primaries there; the lessons were learned,”

I had to look at the calendar! This is not an April Fools joke?!?

Will the SD's please step up and put an end to this!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Jason, PA — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:51 GMT

Harold Ickes has ZERO credibility when it comes to arguing about delegates. In his official capacity on the Credentials Committee, he voted to strip Florida of its seating. Then, when his candidate needs those delegates to mount a last ditch effort at the nomination, he's suddenly all for it.

Typical Clinton double-speak.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Erroll, Haslett, MI — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:52 GMT

Utterly disgusting. Come on super delegates - end this silliness now!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Noel, Hot Springs, AR — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:52 GMT

Of course the polls reflect Clinton as being stronger. She is complaining about sexism and the process in an attempt to drive up negatives against Obama without being negative towards him but the process. Trying to make it look like he is getting in through the back door. While Obama tries to unify the party by complimenting Clinton. She is driving her voters to say they would vote for McCain rather than Clinton while Obama is not pushing back. Yet another iteration of Hillary. She is helping to reinforce false stereotypes of women by her many iterations in the campaign.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

See you in Denver! — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:59:58 GMT

LETS GO TO THE CONVENTION !!!!

IF deligates are to vote the way thier constituates voted.. THIS THING WOULD BE OVER BY NOW!

Hillary 08 or its McCain!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

DFK, MI — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:00:01 GMT

I would say unbelievable but that word can no longer be applied when it comes to the Clinton campaign. I was one of those uncommited voters in January and my intensions were clear--not Hillary. Besides how many actual voters really give a rat's *** if some party insiders get to go to Denver or not. Does anyone really believe democrats are going to vote against all their beliefs over this in the fall.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Kate — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:00:12 GMT

Why is the Clinton campaign actively seeking to disenfranchise voters who DID NOT VOTE FOR HER?!?

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

A Latte Lover, Seattle, WA — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:00:19 GMT

Whatever. I am becoming increasingly disillusioned over this whole process. I feel Obama has won in every category, but I am also feeling that this will still be handed to Queen Hillary. So sad. I can only speak for myself, but would NEVER vote for her. I am not a loyal dutiful Democrat that will just fall in line behind Hillary. NO WAY. I am 48 years old, first time in my life I have donated to a campaign, or voted in a primary. This was due to Senator Obama.

People forget the disgrace the Clinton's brought in the 1990's. Monica-gate, stealing furniture and rugs, etc. In 2006 she held the honor of being #2 out of 10 most corrupt politicians. YECH. After watching her lie and spin over the months, I am even more disgusted. I know some are loyal Democrats and will vote for either Dem., but again, I am not one of them. I will sit this one out if Senator Obama is not on the ticket. As I say, he was the one that brought me into the process. I have no loyalty to the Democratic party, and feel they have no backbone for letting this continue.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Terry, IN — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:00:38 GMT

Seems like a last straw to me!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

sara, mesa, az — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:01:01 GMT

At this point, I truly believe that Hillary and Bill want to be President again – AT ANY COST. If that means taking it to the convention, she will. If that means weakening the Party and Obama so badly that the Dems lose in 2008, she’ll do it. She has no guilt, no remorse, no class and absolutely no dignity or grace. Hillary is grandiose, delusional and believes she is entitled to the Presidency – she is, I believe, the ultimate sociopath.

For Hillary, the convention is her last chance to win the nomination – unless the uncommitted Superdelegates DECIDE that risking Hillary’s wrath is better than risking the Democratic Party.

Below is a website where you can find a list of the uncommitted super delegates. I strongly encourage all Obama supporters to start emailing and calling those delegates. At a minimum, please contact the ones in your state – obviously, the ones holding office are the best to target since they’re the most vulnerable to re-election. Our best talking point is that Obama has the majority of pledged delegates – WITH OR WITHOUT Michigan and Florida.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html

And for those you who live in NY – I hope to god that you do not reelect this woman to the Senate should she run again. She is despicable.

55 y.o. white woman who is now REALLY angry about the Clintons’ pathological egos and the gutless Superdelegates.

NOT THIS TIME!

p.s. thanks to Chris Matthews who is now trying to confront Hillary’s supporters with the FACTS (like the absolutely horrid US Rep Debbie Wasserman Schultz from FL).

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Hussein — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:01:05 GMT

Obama supporters, it on again. Show as little respect to Hillary Clinton, her surrogates and supporters as possible. If they want to ruin the country this way. Lets join them! Let us at least show democratic unity in dividing the party and conceding the general to McCain!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

tj, dallas, tx — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:01:07 GMT

I, Uncommitted, fully endorse Mr. Obama. All my pledged delegates have chosen to follow my wishes. I got a lot of votes without spending a penny in the state. I have to hand it to Hillary. She was tough to beat as with a name of Uncommited, it was hard to get people to vote for me.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Tired of Being Tired — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:01:33 GMT

Pennsylvania Congressman and Hillary Clinton supporter Joe Sestak was on MSNBC this morning and said something I thought was marvelous and ought to be shared. Being asked about the percentages of democratic voters who’ve pledged not to support the eventual nominee, rather vote for McCain if their choice fails to gain the nomination said, and I paraphrase: This election is not about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, it is about the nation. It is about the policies of the current administration and John McCain’s pledge to the continuation of these policies. If Americans aren’t ready to support the democratic nominee, and to get this country back on track, they don’t deserve it.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Robert Hussien Harris, Buckeye, AZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:01:52 GMT

"Ickes sits on the committee and last year voted to strip Florida of its delegates."

End of story, sit down and shut up Ickes.

Obama / Webb '08

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

brian in nc — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:06 GMT

Clinton's will destroy the party to further their own interests. It should surprise no one. If super delegates don't quickly put a stop to this nonsense they will have to share responsibility for nothing short of the party's demise. The Clinton's have no conscience. I don't think the Obama supporters will wait until the convention to make their anger known.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Jeanie in Oregon — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:06 GMT

Her whole camp is nutts

WTH

According to many people on these forums that were from MI said even the dem party of MI called it a beauty contest because their votes were not going to count, but other people put uncommited because Hill was the only one on the ballot and they did not want her!!!!

Huckabee insane Hellary has a certifiably crazy group of people running her campaign, no wonder she is out of her mind, everyone around her is too

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Clinton needs professional counseling — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:26 GMT

True insanity by the Clinton camp! No way should or will this woman ever be President or Vice-President. She has no one but herself to blame for her failed campaign. This rhetoric has soared past incredulous narcissism.
Please Superdelegates put this woman in a straight-jacket. Please!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

WTF? — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:28 GMT

To all of the craven and ravenous Clinton supporters:

If, as many Clinton supporters assert, it is so critical to elect a female president now, why did Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun get so little support when she was a Democratic candidate in 2004? In spite of her endorsements from NOW and other feminist organizations and leaders, Moseley-Braun’s polling numbers were in the low single digits when she dropped out of the race. Since women make up more than half of the Democratic voters, it is clear that very few of them were supporting the female candidate just 4 years ago. And what about the 2000 election? If some Clinton supporters are willing to vote for the Republican nominee, John McCain, in this year’s general election, why didn’t they support the candidacy of Elizabeth Dole in the Republican primary in 2000? She had to drop out of the race due to insufficient financial support in spite of her second and third place showing in polls at the time.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

pa voter — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:31 GMT

When the truth finally comes out about how Sen. Obamas lawyers worked 24/7 to suppress the re-vote in both MI and FL, several weeks ago...

The Dems can say goodbye to the White House for the next 4 years!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

donna — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:47 GMT

Heebee Jeebee alert.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:56 GMT

Ickes is right. People came out in droves. 44% of the Michigan voters took the time to go to the polling place and wait in line, just so they could vote for "anyone but Hillary Clinton".

It would be nice if the supers would end this now. Just endorse Obama, so we can move on with the general election campaign. Hillary and her lackeys are insulting the intelligence of the American people, and it is getting tiresome. We need a President with honor and integrity, not a President who is currently the defendant in a campaign finance fraud lawsuit.

Obama/Sebelius in 2008. Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

tr — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:03:01 GMT

This is just ridiculous. Every day the Clintons lose more and more support. Per the Gallup poll, Sen Obama now beats her in EVERY SINGLE category except women over 50. After seeing they want ZERO for Sen Obama, I honestly cannot ever think Clinton cares about FL and MI. She cares about herself ONLY and I have lost ALL respect for her and President Clinton. I am now embarassed to say I even voted for him.
AND
Their stupid map shows Obama is close and he hasn't even campaigned. SUSA show VA BLUE now with Obama, CO and MI too and he isn't even the nominee.

Difference is she HAS to win FL, Obama doesn't even need FL or OH

She has no other options

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

JT, ND — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:03:07 GMT

OK, is it just me, or does this proposition just totally reek of unfairness???? Michigan broke the rules, all of the candidates except for Hillary followed the rules and removed their names from the ballot. Yes, people voted anyway, but think of how many more stayed home and didn't vote because they knew their votes would not count - at least, they weren't SUPPOSED to count. This is not fair to those potential voters and definitely not fair to Obama. Even though I am an Obama supporter, I would not consider it fair if it were the other way around. I can imagine that Hillary would not think that would fair if the shoe were on the other shoe either.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Dan A Colchester Vt — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:03:10 GMT

Thats why they call him ICKES--HE'S STICKY, ICKY AND HE MAKES YOU SICKY !!!! WHAT AN ABSOLUTE MORON HE IS !!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Carrie in Texas — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:03:30 GMT

This is confirmation that the "end game" for the Clintons is to destroy the party so that she can run in 2012? What makes them think anyone would support them in 2012 after ensuring that a Democrat is not elected in '08? HRC is shaping up to be the Ralph Nader (read Spoiler) of this election.

I have no words for my disguest with HRC, Ickes and their ilk.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Scott, Seattle WA — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:12 GMT

I will most definitely vote for McCain if Obama has this nomination STOLEN from him. I believe what she is doing will cause a race riot, not to mention severe voter disenfranchisement.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Smithers — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:33 GMT

<Chuckle> I admire the passion you Obamabots are spewing. Looks like we got a loadfull of whiners here. Move to Australia...

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Lisa, New Britain, CT Lisas for Obama :) — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:36 GMT

Let's see if I have this right.

Florida and Michigan were punished by not having traditional primaries but we consider that whoever decided to vote anyway (not after getting to know any candidates because no one "campaigned" there and not thinking their vote was going to count) should have their vote count (to the exclusion of the voters in states that held caucus votes or to the exclusion of voters in MI and FL who didn't vote for President because they were told their votes didn't count.

Uh, OK, yeah that's fair ::eyeroll::

Let's totally punish the people and states who followed the rules, just so Clinton can get more votes. Has their EVER EVER been a candidate so willing to cheat to get elected. She wants the President so bad that she'll take the office without any cloak of legitimacy and expect to be able to govern.

What kind of fools does she take us for?

In terms of electability. No problem. What we'll do (next time since its unfair this time to change the rules in the middle of the game) is, we'll let the Q people conduct they're polls, and then will just choose the Nominee based on the polls. There will be some savings but more money will flow to Quinnipiac (for conducting the polls) which should benefit their local economy so I'll move my family to Hamden, CT and we'll have a very good life.

If I had a DNC card I'd be tearing it up right now. Say adios, au revoir, and goodbye, to the Democratic party.

I will never, not in a million years vote for any of the Clintons again. This is getting insane. Some body ought to stop this nonsense.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

oneatatime, fort lauderdale florida — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:40 GMT

hello superdelegates Gore and Pelosi...It is time to put a stop to this nonsense once and for all.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:43 GMT

The scary part in all this is the fact that some people in this country will actually believe and support this absurdity spouted by Ickes and Wolfson. Mkaes one wonder are the American people really intelligent and mature enough to really be left alone to elect a President when they allow two idiots like these two influence and persuade their thinking using such twisted logic.

I always thought it somewhat true but now am convinced that the problem withthe Dem party is that it is a weak-kneed, spinelss party. The superdelegates and current Dem party leaders are proving this by allowing this BS to go on and not stepping up and ending it all. At this point they should just forget pissing off Hillary and her supporters, step in and say win or lose in the fall enough is enough. Obama is the noiminee per our endorsements as of today.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Ann Arbor — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:58 GMT

Just another day of making up sh#t in the Clinton camp.

It would be impolitic for the Obama camp to do this, but an agressive lawyer contesting the Clinton claims could reasonably argue that Hillary broke the rules by staying on the ballot in Michigan (after agreeing not to campaign or take part in the primary), so she should not get more than a 50-50 split.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Holli, Oklahoma City, OK — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:10 GMT

It's hard not to have animosity toward HRC. What amazes me is that the party still allows her to move the goalposts to whatever she decides it to be. The fact is if we are really honoring the process, the rules and bylaws committee will stand by their original decision in FL in MI. Are there actually people who believe that she is championing for those states on a matter of principle. Hogwash!! HRC only cares to seat these delegates because she needs them. And the truth is that barring some catastrophe for Obama, she can't even when if they give her everything she wants. The party is allowing her to use it to advance her goals after the nomination and, in the meantime, she is lying to her supporters to turn them against Obama. Obama followed the rules, he made the same pledge that she did. The fact that he's even willing to entertain seating some of the delegates when he didn't campaign in those states which would have dramatically cut into her lead shows an openness and a desire from the Obama camp to honor those voters. Get ready for the bloodbath on May 31. I hope the supers realize that if by some chance they completely lose their minds for a weakened moment and buy into her argument, they will lose Obama supporters. While those voters may not vote for McCain, it's unlikely that they would vote for someone who tells them that rules are only suggestions and their votes didn't count.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

TR — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:12 GMT

Even FL, I have family there who didnt go and vote because thery KNEW it would not count, yet some went and voted ONLY because of the local issues. The numbers for FL are NOTHING compared to what they would of been like other states.

CLINTON'S HAVE BECOME AN EMBARASSEMENT TO THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

KJ, Dallas, TX — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:16 GMT

McAuliffe says 50%, Ickes says all, Wolfson and Clinton previously stated that you can't go by polls, but now Wolfson is quoting polls (Quinnipiac)and stating that they matter. What a messed up campaign, and the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Spin, spin, spin. What a bunch of clowns.

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:18 GMT

Obamabots don't want these delegates seated because it may ruin the nomination for their snake oil salesman. Yet, because of the Obama campaign's desire to disenfranchise these voters, he will lose those states to McCain in the general, and sorry, but there is nothing in Obama's history to indicate that he can win with a rewritten electoral college map.

Obama, the unelectable!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Terry, IN — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:44 GMT

Daily Kos: 8/25/07: Clinton DNC operatives strip FL of all 210 delegates [UPDATED 2X]
Watch video too

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/0226/35614/632/520082

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Class Warrior, D.C. — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:50 GMT

WHAT?!? This has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous to the sublemely ridiculous. Come,on, Howard Dean and you superdelegates, shut this craziness down! Declare for Obama and let's get rolling for the General, before we're totally sabotauged as a party by Clinton!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

DA, VA — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:06:48 GMT

The last desperate flailings of a drowning man.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Lisa, New Britain, CT Lisas for Obama :) — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:07:00 GMT

L in MI...if you go to DailyKos, you can find a diary that shows Clinton (I believe) actually signing an agreement not to campaign or participate...I am off to find the link now.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Billy, MI — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:07:10 GMT

Arrggghhh!! We do not need another president that is willing to manipulate the rules to get what they want. Hillary and her campaign need to understand that we have a more serious problem than her legacy. We can not let McCain chave the country ontinue down Bush's path. I'm sorry Hillary. You've waged a great campaign and people all over are very proud and thankful for what you have done. However, you have lost. Please keep what dignity you have left and exit gracefully.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:07:33 GMT

Obama will never win Florida, Ohio, or PA., and he's going to mess it up with Mich. because of his insistence to give that state and Florida the finger. Polls just released today say so. I can't believe the Obampods posting here...you must all be high on something.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

NoBama!!!!! — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:01 GMT

BTW - its the Obama camp that is stealing the nomination.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

sg, michigan — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:22 GMT

I knew Hillary Clinton was up to no good when she refused to remove her name from the Michigan ballot. Most of the other candidates did because they were good soldiers--loyal to the Democrat party.

In so many words, she pointed out that it was not necessary to remove her name because the votes would never count.

Now she's using this tactic as a sneaky loophole to garner more votes. Talk about disenfranchisement!

Shame on the Clinton camp for changing the DNC rules. Shame on them for cheating.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

JDB, Houston, TX — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:24 GMT

Is there no level to which the clintons and their camp won't slither to? Disgusting.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Ron Indiana — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:29 GMT

It looks at though the Clinton camp has no intention of a "cease fire" or to "play nice". The Huffington Post reports there is growing opposition for the Clinton camp to go "Nuclear". Why because of the 28 members, 13 are for Clinton, 8 are for Obama and 7 are for Dean. If Hillary camp even tries to go Nuclear, it's time for the Supers to pounce and end this thing. Obama has been gracious, she in return has been acting crazy. Enough already!!!

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

donna — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:43 GMT

Hillary, Bill, and her campaign cronies, have absolutely blown peoples's minds with how tenacious they are in their tantrum throwing.

If they were a dog, frothing at the mouth, and hulking up the road, they would be full of buckshot by now.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

tr — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08:46 GMT

Here's a great read for ya
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1248#comments

Might help you see what she is up to

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Ian — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:03 GMT

It's becoming more and more apparent to me that the nomination won't be worth much by the time Harold "I voted to punish MI & FL but..." Ickes, Howard "GOP lover" Wolfson and the avarice queen are finished. Perhaps Obama supporters should just give her the nomination, not show up en masse in November and live in bomb shelters for the next 4 years. If there's anything left of the US by 2012, he'll at least still be viable.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Terry, IN — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:43 GMT

THEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, pledge
I shall not campaign or "PARTICIPATE" in any state which schedules a presidential
election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa,
Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by
rules and regulations of the DNC.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Messed up... — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:44 GMT

Their whole campaign is a F***ing joke.. Sick of them.. I can't believe people still vote for them..

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Obama all the way. — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:47 GMT

I can't believe how lame the Democratic party is. Obama has had it locked up since early March, but no one has been willing to step on Hillary's toes because of the female vote. These super D's are pathetic that sit on the sideline while she says this stuff. MI, FL, popular vote... It is all BS, yet they allow her to say it and walk all over the party.

At one point a week ago, I was thinking the IF Obama would like to give some help to Hillary, I'd be willing. But now she doesn't have a chance of getting a dime or a vote from me EVER.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Amy B Portland, ME — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:01 GMT

She wouldn't even make that good of a President.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

billy smith vallejo ca — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:26 GMT

What about Michigan voters that chose not to vote because they were told that their votes wouldn't count? Wouldn't we be "disinfrancising" their votes.

Enough already. Hillary lost. Get over it. embarassing.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Wayne, Newburgh, IN — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:35 GMT

It is obvious we are in a mess. Those who voted for HRC want to be counted. Those who did not vote for HRC want their votes counted. And, those who did not vote because they were told it would not count want their vote counted. Maybe we can take into consideration states with similar demographics, come up with a figure, and give Fl and MI about 50%. No easy solution here. Best wishes.

Ickes: Zero delegates for Obama in MI

Vicki, Los Angeles — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:35 GMT

The Clinton camp has got to be kidding.