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Eric, Salinas, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:19 GMT

"Darth" Hillary calls forth two of her Sith apprentices to do her dirty work of stealing away the nomination from "Jedi" Barack Obama. The Dark Side will not prevail against the Forces of Light no matter how much they try to work their Black Magic on the DNC.

No matter the outcome Obama will pass any new goalpost with ease next week as the superdelegates end this primary farce. It's way past time for our party to unite behind this brilliant man and campaign staff and to send "Bush Hugger" McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong.

Go Obama 08/12!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:24:51 GMT

To "Will the real Obama please stand up":

You automatically assumed I attend Trinity Church just because I support Barack Obama. I don't attend any stinking church because church is for losers!

Don't try the guilt by association act with me because as you've seen you're 100% wrong. It's losers like you that support that loser from New York that are the problem in our party and our country.

I also don't call people racist just because they criticize Obama, I do if they criticize his race because that is racist. Otherwise I just call dolts like you Ignorant Fools for being too ignorant to see how brilliant this fine man is. I'm a 56 year old white guy with a college education thanks to my service to our country during that dirty little war in VietNam and I approve of what Barack Obama stands for. Did you serve our country, hmmm?

Go Obama 08/12!

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donna — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:25:20 GMT

They waited to see from where Obama's representatives would hail.

It matters not. Her campaign is dead in the water.

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Independent in TN — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:26:23 GMT

Absoultely no doubt about it . . . Clinton has laid the groundwork to fight this thing all the way to the convention floor and has every intention of fighting on after next week

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-maddow/clinton-to-the-convention_b_103078.html

As already reported on MSMBC, the Clinton campaign does not plan on accepting anything but a 100% seating of both FL and MI with MI's "not-Clinton" delegates all going to her carefully hand-picked MI delegation

Even after Obama clinches the final number of delegates next week, she will appeal the DNC ruling on FL/MI all the way to the convention floor

And make no doubt about it, the Republicans will fan the fire all the way to the convention and then still have the gall to say that the winner "stole" the nomination

Congratulations Democrats . . . you idiots have just assured us of 4 more years of Bush/McCain and a Supreme Court that will roll the calendar on civil rights back 100 years

un-freaking-believable!!!

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Dave, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:26:43 GMT

Alternatively, they could play the audio from Clinton's NPR interview on the subject and read from Terry McAulliffe's book. Might lighten the hypocrisy load a bit.

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mike ca — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:28:08 GMT

what katherine harris and james baker were not advailable

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aleese — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:28:11 GMT

They'd better force fluids between now, and the meet.

However, 'cry me a river', ain't gonna work.

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JW Palm Beach, Fl. — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:28:14 GMT

I truly do not understand what the Clinton "arguement is. I mean what are they going to say:
We know we agreed and signed that the rules would be the rules.
We know we agreed the delegates would not count.
We know we did not care about the vote when we were winning.
We know that it is unplausible to say that we are the stronger candidate in the general election even though we could not win the primary election.
We know we are saying we do not want voters to be disenfranchised but we do not think Obama voters votes should count in MI, therefore completely contradicting our own arguement which has become our campaign strategy.

And it goes on and on and on. Can one sensible minded Clinton supporter please honestly explain all of those arguements and tell me how they make sense.

Furthermore, exactly how do the Clinton's expect to unify the party with this continued attempt to be divisive in every way possible?? I truly do not understand the rationale.

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vl, fl — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:29:59 GMT

Sen. Clinton in her usual tactics as she has used Tubbs and now Joyner the very commuinty of which she invoked race looks for representatives directly from the community to get her the nomination.

It's unfortunate that the members of the Black Community falls into this trap each and every time.

Some of us don't understand it and we are not sure they realize that being "insulted" is not a reason to join the party.

Surely there were others available that had not been insulted?

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sem, va — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:13 GMT

i look forward to seeing the MORALITY in the face of these people. they are pushing this for wrong reasons: selfish hillary reasons. the reality is that ALL parties are AGREED that the FL and MI should be seated. The only problem is HOW, all because of selfish interest of Billary. If Hillary got nomination on Super Tuesday, she would not have been this vocal over FL and MI. Shame on you Hillary!

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mike ca — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:42 GMT

i say all the states just move their elections ahead of iowa i mean who cares the rules do mean a damn thing to some people

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:56 GMT

"Desperate" Hillary is no Kobe Bryant and the Lakers who can come back from 20 down late in the game to steal victory from the jaws of defeat. Like the defending NBA champ Spurs she's just too old and tired at this stage of the game to stage a Comeback Kid surprise.

Barack Obama is like the Lakers this year, coming from nowhere to be on the verge of a championship. Like the Lakers he will seal the deal in November and become the champion of the people, all of the people, unlike the current tyrants in the White House who are only champions of the rich and greedy who have too much privilege and pay way too little in taxes.

Power to the People Right Now!

Go Obama 08/12!

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Bill, Cool Springs — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:28 GMT

I hope they'll do a good job. She has the most votes and she'd make the best candidate. Without Hillary as our nominee, by the time Nov. gets here we will all be voting for McCain. What a waste for our party...or we can have it all with Hillary.

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jeff D Evanston IL — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:54 GMT

What in the world can hillary be arguing,
will she argue that the DNC was wrong to strip the deligates bacause the moved there primary up in violation of party rules?
will she argue that the agreement she signed really did not have her signature, (it was a fake)
will she argue that she knew the vote would not count but because she is looseing she needs it to count ANY WAY.
will she argue that obama was is wrong to not just let her have her way(my dad always let me have my way so obama need to do what my dad always did.
some on people what will she argue, please some one tell me because I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!

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Greg Anthony — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:33:30 GMT

Tim, Reading PA says:

>> Greg Anthony... Do tell how he has supported these movements? <<

You've got it backwards. These movements support Barack Obama. It is blacks that feel they have a sense of entitlement due to the eternal victimhood they preach in their churches. Obama represents that vision.

>> Has he had legislation passed in order to force people to give money to them. Has he presented legislation to recognize Trinity United Church as an entity completely seperate from the United States.
<<

The vision of the TUC is to provide its members with the concept that they are victims, and the only salvation they can turn to is with the church leaders. It empowers the leaders of these churches because it isolates the members from the rest of society. Why do you think blacks vote as a block for Democrats in general, and Obama in particular? It's because they only get the corrupt message from their leaders who isolate them from the main stream of the country. Obama is a part of that separation.

>> Or has everything he's done as a state senator, a U.S. senator, and presidental candidate the completely opposite of the soundbites that are playing of these pastors. This guilt by association is really getting old <<

And yet, the guilt by association the Democrats play, ie., "McCain is Bush", is the same thing you seem to detest.

>> and if the Right thinks this is where the majority of Americans are at they'd better check their polls. <<

Latest polls show the country trusts McCain better then Obama on foreign policy, and now on the economy too.

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JIM WHITTAKER, Hemet, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:33:54 GMT

Is the RBC meeting going to televised? Live?
On MSNBC? Are all you guys (The First Team)
gonna be covering it?

If so, can you please announce it on one of your
shows? Doesn't matter which one, I watch 'em all.

Thanks

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Jack Hussein Donovan, Cedar Rapids, IA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:34:20 GMT

EVERYONE ENTERING THE DNC MEETING SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO SPELL "HYPOCRIT"...

THE CLINTONS ARE ALL BRASS AND NO CLASS

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Fred-Boston, Mass. — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:34:21 GMT

Saturday's show is all for nothing if Hillary can't get the remaining Superdelegates to NOT commit after the end of the primaries on Tuesday.
Obama has 200 delegate lead. Even under the best scenerio on Saturday she still needs more time. If she does not get what she wants,it will go to convention. Thats 3 months away! Hopefully she has a commitment from the 200 remaining supers to not copmmit until August. That way she can work over already committed delegates to reconsider.

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formerly of NY — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:35:33 GMT

The primary system is set up to allow non wealthy people a shot at the presidency. Small, first primaries allow candidates to campaign on a limited budget and get some publicity, which leads to support and more financing. If we have a national primary day, the richest candidate will be able to blanket the country with ads and support and win. Each state sets the rules for the primary (open, closed, caucus) so there is no way to have a national consensus other than the delegate count. If the DNC undermines its own system, eventually people with the most money will win. We already see this in NY politics (Bloomberg) and Sen. Corzine in NJ, Mitt Romney in MA.

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Diane from Illinois — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:35:39 GMT

Which bar will Hillary be in tomorrow? She sure seems to be hitting the alcohol lately....first knocking back shots, then guzzling a beer and yesterday she was drinking wine on the plane.....does she have a problem? Hmmmm? Or is she just "one of the guys?" Either way she's looking like a lush. She should save it for Wednesday. She's going to need it.

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gg, fl — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:35:52 GMT

Sen. Arthenia Joyner is a Black Representative from the State of Florida.

I am puzzled as to why Sen. Clinton after all the racial over tones in her campaign including the one relative to Sen. Obama's life would look to Sen. Joyner to represent her cause

I am more puzzled as to why Sen. Joyner would accept such a request.

This is very unfortunate and Sen. Joyner is sending the wrong message to the community.

Millions in her community will be sorely dissapointed in Sen. Joyner.

This is expected from Sen. Clinton. Sen. Joyner should have been smarter

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Just Curious — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:36:14 GMT

I don't attend any stinking church because church is for losers!
-Eric, Salinas, CA

So .... Obama is a loser?

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james, MI — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:36:21 GMT

her campaign is dead and being from MI the former gov. has no clout

Irrational Crazy Supporters
Crazy Pastors
Hillary Blogs
Obamas resume
Want to know the difference between Clinton and Obama supporters

This and more on…

http://sensico.wordpress.com/

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:36:29 GMT

Heres a thought,why not just make it a cage match,the last man standing wins.You could make it a pay for view,all profits could go to hillys since they belive that there intitled,and Obama has already shown us that he knows how to operate with-in his means,that way the hillys could pay back all the mom&pops that still have not been paid for there services

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Bill NH — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:36:34 GMT

This reminds me of a pro poker payer standing dumbfounded by the table after they've pushed all in on a bad hand and lost. Even if HRC pulls an ace out of her pants suit, she still has no idea that Obama has Royally Flushed her. This is a winner take all tournament. GO HOME HILLARY. Its time for Obama to play heads up with the Manchurian Candidate.

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Bart — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:37:36 GMT

Eric in Salinas, please consider taking some anger management classes. Or at least switch to decaf.

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LENI,MICHIGAN — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:39:01 GMT

Jim Blanchard was behind the move to hold Michigan Primary early. He and others were well aware of the consequences when they made this decision, now they want the rules changed???????? He is also a SD pledged to HRC. PLEASE DON'T SEAT MICHIGAN. AT THE VERY LEAST DON'T SEAT CLINTON SD. THE ONLY ONES BEING PUNISHED HERE ARE THOSE WOULD COULD NOT CAST THEIR VOTE FOR THEIR CHOSEN CANIDATE.

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MI Chick — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:39:43 GMT

Wow - Jim Blanchard. What a joke. 'Cause we did so well under his administration...

Shows the clout Jennifer Granholm has, eh?

Oh no - he's a man! Isn't that sexist of you, Hillary?

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Lawrence Miller, Sioux Falls, SD — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:40:33 GMT

The Democrats must be insane. There is nothing that will come out of this meeting that will make anyone happy. The next step of course will be the lawsuits. This is no cure for this ugly.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:43:20 GMT

I got a real laugh out of some repugnant one saying that Fixed Noise was fair and balanced earlier today. I vote that NBC/MSNBC is the best news in town with the best commentators (well except for that Morning Jerk, Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson) on tv news. Plus this First Read section is the best at allowing us readers to post our comments without any political axe to grind or smell test to pass.

I mean could I go to Fixed Noise.com and actually post my comments to their articles? Nope not a chance because Fixed Noise is just a conservative lunatic fringe propaganda machine whose sole purpose is to lie to the people for the benefit of only a few rich and greedy hypes like Rupert "Illegal Immigrant" Murdoch.

So instead of dissing real news organizations or First Read for being too sympathetic to us liberals just bear in mind that you get your comments posted here without prejudice, something Fixed Noise would never allow.

Three Cheers for the Liberal Press, NBC/MSNBC and First Read!

Go Obama 08/12!

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Luanne in TN — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:43:42 GMT

Here it is close to the end. I still can't believe people really voted for Barry. Of all the dumb things, kinda like voting Regain, Bush you know. When will we stop stabing ourselves in the back? Hillary is here now, ready and able to help our country and it's people and some of you still want Barry? You may get him as the nominee, but he won't win in Nov. When it comes to running the greatest nation of the world we need someone with a little knowledge and experience.

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Michelle, Denver — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:44:35 GMT

What an embarassment for the DNC...two states ignored the rules...so the DNC made rules that those two states wouldn't count and asked the candidates to abide by the rules, which THEY AGREED TO...Hillary doesn't do rules well, so she campaigned there anyway...and now she wants NEW rules...rules that will only help HER (because her candidacy is about HER, and not the rest of US).

A president who doesn't like the rules, makes new rules for their own benefit....sound like any PRESIDENTS WE ALREADY KNOW?!

And like lemmings the DNC is entertaining this farce, instead of sticking to their rules. How nice...my chosen party is really showing their yellow underbelly...er I mean their strength...yeah that's what I mean...strength.

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Stephan Blanch, Lakeland Florida — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:45:15 GMT

And the Democrats want the people to elect them to run the country? They can't even run their own nomination process. This is a total embarrassment to the country. It makes us look 3rd worldish.

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sg, michigan — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:45:19 GMT

Governor Blanchard? Is he still alive? Haven't heard that name in years.

Why don't they choose the current Governor Granholm? Oh yeah. That's right. If they pick her, all the Democrats will throw rotten tomatoes at her for endorsing this mess on moving the Michigan primary too early.

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The - Democrat Soldier — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:46:01 GMT

Hillary - will continue to fight this things until she feels she can convince the right people to give her the nomination. She doesn't care about due process - democratic system - her supporters- Democrats - Republicans - women - men - children - dogs - cats ....she will fight this to her grave - if no one else stops her ...she will never quit on her own....She thinks she deserve this and this is hers out right....for whatever twisted reason. So not only will she take this to the conventions - if the party leader doesn't end this - she will still claim victory even after the convention - when Barack is campaigning against McCain - she will still be around - blaming others for why she didn't win and why she is still hanging around and why she will be better for the GE. She needs the Democrat Leaders to end this for her - she does not have the will to surcome to defeat.

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Cory Diehl — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:46:44 GMT

Are there any laws that state what the Democrats can and can't do? Seems like a lot civil rights laws are being violated.

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TIM CHARLOTTESVILLE VA. — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:48:26 GMT

ROOKIE SENATOR RUNNING FOR PREZ??? I DONT CARE WHAT COLOR HIS SKIN IS...THAT WONT FLY WITH ME..OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALL BUT AWARDED THE WHITE HOUSE TO MORE REPUBLICAN NATION WRECKING. NOMINATE SOMEONE....ANYONE WHO IS ELECTABLE

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Elmer, Seattle WA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:49:03 GMT

When does Ickes do his jail time for his 5th DWI he got up in New hampshire?

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Judge Judy — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:49:58 GMT

Yes sir, this is going to the convention, and probably beyond. It's going to be a nasty summer for the Democrats. McCain is going to be getting his message out and defining the Democrats, while Obama and Clinton will have endless court cases to state their cases. The Supreme Court will make some kind of ruling in October, and by that time the country will have given up on the inept Democrats.

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bill, okla — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:01 GMT

Represent Mrs. Clinton as best you can, she deserves that much, but then I suggest "Duck and Cover!" Hopefully, after this is over she'll be able and willing to assuage those women that feel they and she have been victimized. Personally I think that's a crock or to quote Maureen Dowd..."poppycock".

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BJ, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:07 GMT

This going to be fun...Democracy in action..
Prophetic as it may seem..Bending the rules will be unpresidented...
May set future of Democratic Party for millions of voters...
This could be the best thing for GOP in this election...

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Wesley, Dallas, Texas — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:51:27 GMT

And the results from this poll say everything. You won't believe these results!

http://www.votenic.com

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Bill NH — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:51:48 GMT

This is going to be really embarassing for HRC and the party. Its like when the wrong actor climbs on stage during an award show to recieve the award they just lost. ACKWARD...Move away slowly.

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Brenda from Pa — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:51:49 GMT

Salute to you eric in salinas ca, I read your blogs everyday and they are excellent. I agree with you 100% that they haven't even seen one half of Obama's brilliance, this is good because he is saving it for John McShame!!

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weknewwhatwasupinfla — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:52:21 GMT

This whole situation baffles me!! I'm a native to Florida...lived here all my 34 years. I am a Democrat and like every other citizen in this state, I knew our votes in the primary would not count towards choosing our nominee. No one kept that a secret. We knew our Republican lawmakers put us in this fix, and we knew therew were consequences. Maybe it's the teacher in me, but when you don't follow the rules you've got to deal with the consequences. This is so different from 2000, and I hate when people make the comparison.

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Elliott, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:53:34 GMT

To All Obama Supporters:

Given the past experience with Florida in the 2000 election you would think that everyone of you would want these votes counted. GWB has never been viewed as having won that election but instead as the person who stole the election. Should this not be resolved and it does go to the convention your guy will lose that fight. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the other so called leaders of the Democratic party don’t have the power to stop this...so stop buying into that line of thinking. Hillary can take this to the Supreme court should she so choose and I for one would support that one hundred percent. These two states had the votes certified by the Secretary of State and they are legal and will be counted...period. This is not only the goal of Hillary Clinton but of those who so strongly believe in her and her message. Mr. Obama is simply not prepared enough to tackle all the challenges facing this country. Perhaps in eight years he will be prepared but as of today he is not. Perhaps one analogy would be that a person is sick and dying of cancer and the family has to choose the best doctors care they can find to help save this persons life...the choice is between and resident intern and an experienced physician with 30 plus years of proven experience. Most people would go with the person with 30 years...but you guys...you Obama supporters go for the intern....and in the end the patient dies. Wake up people....this county needs a president who can actually solve the problems and doesn’t come with a learning curve...but with a very successful former president. I remain completely bewildered by all those who are choosing to take a gamble and roll the dice with the only person running who has zero experience.

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Andrea, New York City — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:53:43 GMT

AMERICANS ALL, and SUPERS:

DO YOU REALLY WANT CRAZY HILLARY CLINTON and HER SIDEKICK BILL and all of their lies, chaos and confusion in the White House?

Please SUPERS: MOVE TO BARACK and end this madness.

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Bonnie, Ut — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:57:21 GMT

Bush ran Washington with lies, spins and stonewalling. That's just who he is. Does anyone doubt that Clinton would run Washington with lies, spins and stonewalling? She couldn't help it. It's who she is.
I want all that to get cleaned out. I want openness, honesty, transparency. I want smart people of all types and opinions to sit at the table and do some serious brainstorming with each voice heard and considered. That, to me is the way to come up with the best and most balanced solutions to our problems. I believe Barack Obama is on a similar wavelength. Let's at least give it a try. The other way has been a disaster for our country.

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banko — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:58:48 GMT

Team of big losers. Get over it and get lost.

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let MI and FL argue for themselves, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:59:02 GMT

It is bizarre to me that arguments should be presented by the campaign of Senator Clinton.

It seems to me that arguments should be presented by the states of Michigan and Florida -- isn't that for what the RBC is meeting?

If the sole cause of Senator Clinton's argument is to preserve some chance for her own candidacy, these arguments have very little to do with the voters of the states of Michigan and Florida -- but then, most looking at this rationally, already know this.

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Clark Westoin, Tampa FL — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:00:26 GMT

Eric, Salinas, CA:

[[I also don't call people racist just because they criticize Obama, I do if they criticize his race because that is racist. Otherwise I just call dolts like you Ignorant Fools for being too ignorant to see how brilliant this fine man is. ]]

What makes you thing Barack Obama is brilliant? What has he ever done to have that consideration?

[[I'm a 56 year old white guy with a college education thanks to my service to our country during that dirty little war in VietNam and I approve of what Barack Obama stands for. Did you serve our country, hmmm? ]]

What does Obama stand for? Only thing I can see is that he is a far left extreme liberal. We have lots of those, and we know what they preach dosen't work.

Now, be careful about calling someone an "Ignorant Fool" again. I'll match my phd against yours at any time.

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LENI,MICHIGAN — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:44 GMT

Don't anyon kid yourself Blanchard,Ferguson,Granholm,Dingel,and our two senator's are willing to take this to the convention.They have stacked the deck in Michigan and WILL go down fighting. PLEASE,PLEASE, other supers put an end to this on behalf of all the MICHIGAN voters who were denied their RIGHT to vote for the canidate of their choice.

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BJ, CA — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:51 GMT

It's poker...somebody is going to blink..

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obama 08 — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:02:32 GMT

Oh man,

I was just SURE they were going to send in the duo of McAuliffe and Wolfson, the Mighty Spin Machine.

Those two have done SUCH a good job of managing HRC's campaign, I'm just sure that they would be able to hypnotize the committee with their tireless spin and convince everyone to just hand it over to Hillary.

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Reesa, Madison, MS — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:03:20 GMT

To Eric in CA, Church going people are not losers in fact according to the Bible those who don't believe in Jesus, well they are the losers. Sure hope you change your mind and get on the winning team.

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Cory (SC) — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:03:36 GMT

I don't think this committee meeting is going to be the big news story that everyone is making out to be.

They are going to rule farily, according to the rules, regardless of what the Clinton supporters want. But, if they don't, it really won't matter, as Obama's lead is such that Clinton will still not gain any major majority in any of the 320 different metrics that she has set forth.

http://www.politivine.com

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MSierra, SF — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:05:42 GMT

What happened to Lucca Brazzi ?

I thought he and Michael Corleone were representing 'the Hill'

No honor among thieves...

From Huff Post:

'...Ickes At The Alamo: Clinton's Delegate Counter Warns Of Defections At DNC Meeting

Thomas B. Edsall
The Huffington Post

The major dispute over the Florida and Michigan delegations to the Democratic convention in Denver has now boiled down to Hillary Clinton's demand for full seating with no sanctions, and an alternative proposal, likely to be backed by Obama, to seat the delegations with either half a vote granted to each delegate, or to cut each delegation in half.

The Clinton proposal -- which now faces tough, if not insurmountable, odds at the Saturday, May 31 meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) - would give the New York Senator 55 more delegates than would go to Obama.

The alternative of either halved votes or halved delegations would net Clinton only 20 or so delegates, depending on the details. Obama could afford to concede a 20-plus delegate gain to Clinton without endangering his overall delegate advantage.

Harold Ickes, Clinton's chief delegate hunter, warned that there may be some defections among the 13 RBC members who have endorsed Hillary. If Ickes and his allies cannot hold all their troops in line, a motion before the RBC to seat all 210 Florida and 156 Michigan delegates with a full vote each would face certain defeat.

If defeated at the RBC on Saturday, the Clinton forces are expected to file an appeal to the Democratic convention credentials committee and possibly, failing that, to the full convention.

One of the publicly unstated reasons that Clinton is remaining in the race is to be positioned to step in immediately in the increasingly unlikely event that damaging new material emerges about Obama. In such an event, retaining the right to force pre-nomination fights over credentials becomes crucial to a delaying strategy to allow any conceivable controversy to gain momentum.

Clinton won the January primaries in Florida and Michigan, but the national party has stripped the two states of all delegates in punishment for holding primaries before February 5 in violation of party rules.

On the RBC, there are a total of 28 voting members, along with two co-chairs who can vote only in the event of a tie. To win, then, Clinton needs at least 15 votes, or, if both co-chairs cast ballots, 16 votes.

Those numbers appear increasingly hard to reach, especially after Democratic National Committee lawyers issued a ruling earlier this week that the RBC does not have the power to fully reinstate the two disputed delegations. The Clinton forces contend that the DNC ruling is wrong.

Ickes argued that all is not lost as the RBC session fast approaches. One of the recognized experts in party rules, Ickes said a number of the RBC members have been misinformed about the rules governing the powers of the committee, and he intends to correct the situation before the votes are taken starting on Saturday afternoon.

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Mel — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:07:15 GMT

Clinton's argument = only those voters who voted for me should be counted.

It is Unbelievable that anyone would fall for Clinton's rhetoric ...er... argument here - First, she did not "win" in Michigan - in order to win - you actually need to be competing against your opponent - Obama was not even on the ballot - so Clinton "won" Michigan like Castro has "won" in Cuba for all these years.

Second, in Florida, no one campaigned - and Hillary was the leader - she was the default.

Hillary has argued for results that would more accurately reflect what the results would be under "normal circumstances" - which we don't know because FL and MI did not vote under normal circumstances -- In Fact, judging from how Obama performed in the early races - under "normal circumstances" he may have won MI and gotten close in FL -- He would likely have substantially more votes AND delegates than any comprimise will give him now....I certainly wouldn't want to try to argue Hillary's case.

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The Don, Missouri — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:07:45 GMT

Just wondering.,

Can Florida and Michigan move it's general election day to next month sinced they like breaking the rules?
Iamagine they can, hoping to havea meetign witheh election commissioners on Nove 15 or so.

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justthinkinoutloud — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:08:24 GMT

me thinks that the gutless supers are just waiting, because one of them wants to be that historic figure to put him over the top. Now the only question is, Who will that one be???????????

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MSierra, SF — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:08:48 GMT

On the positive side....

Hillary's maneuvering is making it less likely that she'll be on the ticket as VP

The more she uses ridiculous tactics and statements the further she moves away from the VP

Obama will have MUCH LESS pressure to select her as VP

Keep it up Billary, you're cutting your own throat

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Ani, Irving,Tx — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:20 GMT

I have heard the arguement that Hillary should
be the nominee because she is more electable.
The only problem with that is,why bother to conduct
primaries when the DNC can corronate the nominee
so why bother with RBC?
Come to think of it, what promises have been made
to donors by the Clintons...and that's if Hillary
can not win the nomination the party should implode
BEWARE OF POLITICAL HUSTLERS!!!

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Juan Bartlett IL — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:51 GMT

Hillary is a mathematical genius that has dicovered a break-thru in mathematical calculations that most humans simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND!... We shouldn't get mad at HER, just because WE haven't developed the capacity to understand it.
The formula is simple: HxI-r=2026
(HillaryxIckes-reality=2026) Bingo!

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mverde — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:15:29 GMT

No surprise about Blanchard; he's the closest thing to a Republican that the Mich Dems have got.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:16:22 GMT

Dave, CA (Sent Friday, May 30, 2008 12:26 PM)

Dave:

I'm sure the Obama representatives will be prepared to quote as well as play a tape of Hillary stating the Michigan and Florida votes will not count at the beginning of this primary race. The people on the Committee are not stupid and know that Hillary's current claims that she has a heartfelt concern to have all votes counted is all spin and BS. If the tables were turned I can assure you Hillary would have a team of attorney's there to make sure that the Michigan and Florida delegates were not seated and that the votes did not count. Unlike Obama who is willing to compromise, if the tables were turned Hillary would be screaming that that Dem party must follow the original ruling that these votes would not count.

The Committee's only concerns will be not to ostracize and panalize the Michigan and Florida voters too much so Obama and the Dem party will have a fighting chance to win at least Michigan in the GE. They could care less about Hillary.

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Get a Backbone Dems! — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:16:55 GMT

This has me feeling sick to my stomach! Aren't more SD coming over to Obama's side? I think I know: they want to eat their cake and have it too. Jellyfishes! They don't want to anger the Clintons (who have far reaching connections)but at the same time want to be considered in an Obama Cabinet. They want to be able to say whatever happens "He(Reid) or She(Pelosi) made me vote in this way. So don't be mad with me ok? Ahm could you put in a few words for me in 2010 for my re-election . . .? Mu-yea!(Chinese for 'no problem')

They'd be able to say that no matter who wins. Typical Spineless Democrats! Take a stand already! The man played by the rules and hardly besmirched his opponent! He beat her fair and square! Come out NOW!!

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JCar — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:17:14 GMT

ZZZZZzz What exciting news! What a waste of time! Make the rules, agree to them, then whine and get the rules changed and STILL LOSE!

Obama '08

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Dead Wrong — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:18:56 GMT

To Eric, Salinas, CA

I did voluntarily serve this country in uniform and you are dead wrong.

The problem for you and your empty suit Golden Boy is that 49% of all of the people that have voted so far in the all of the Democratic primaries and caucuses do not approve of what Obama stands for.

So I would say that come November, you and the rest of the so-called highly intelligent followers will have a conundrum on your hands.

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Kayaker in NH — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:20:09 GMT

Hillary has good points to make so it's useless to make her out as the bad guy here. She's worked her heart out during this campaign, and while she definitely miscalculated the importance of the early caucuses, she's done an amazing job of building support in important states since then.

It might interest readers to know that in the caucuses, one delegate is awarded for every 2,000 votes, while it takes 12,000 vote for one delegate in a primary. That imbalance (including the craziness of the Texas system) is what's given Obama such a large edge.

If anyone worked as hard as Clinton has toward reaching a goal (and were as close as she is in the numbers) they'd be hard-pressed to give it up until the bitter end. She feels strongly that she will fare better against McCain in the fall (and I agree with her).

It's not a bad vs. good scenario, so it strikes me as ridiculous to dream up these analogies to Star Wars. Hillary represents almost half of the Democratic voters out there throughout the country, so she believes she has an obligation to represent their trust until the nomination is decided.

I'm happy with either candidate and proud that we have two people who are such a contrast to John GW McCain.

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Bryant Lister, Gresham, Oregon — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:20:16 GMT

It is of no consequence what Clinton does this weekend or next weekend. The great thing about math is that it does not bow to the whims of people's emotions. The nomination is won by achieving the required number of delegates (popular vote or what kind of delegates they are does not matter). Obama will achieve the required number in the next week and thus will be the nominee. If Clinton wishes to whine about how that isn't fair she has that right, but it will not change the math. The truth of 1+1=2 will not be changed no matter how much Clinton huffs and puffs and tries to blow apart the Democratic party for her own desires. Why Clinton supporters seem to think the rules of math should be changed to help their candidate is beyond me.

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Liberal Like Washington and Jefferson — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:21:18 GMT

Take another shot of bourbon, Hillary. Steady your legs, stagger into the meeting, and start spouting your alcoholic delusions like the angry, racist, drunk that you are. I won't bother calling at 3AM, you'll be passed out in a spinning room of cocktail induced delerium.

Obama '08

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:21:53 GMT

Independent in TN (Sent Friday, May 30, 2008 12:26 PM)

Independent: I agree with you to a degree. I agree that the Dems and their leaders have shown that they remain the same weak-kneed, spinelss group that they are and have been by not settling this earlier by getting off the fence and endorsing one or the other candidate (in this case Obama whose delegate lead is insurmountable). But take heart. It will be settled, Obama will be the nominee and will clean the floor with McCain, and then perhaps this younster from the streets of Chicago can teach the Dems how to get some balls.

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I Want Obama to Win, Washington, DC — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:25:07 GMT

Count on her to take this all the way to the Convention.... and to have to be forcibly removed from it!

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George, MD — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:25:09 GMT

If one does the math, it is clear Clinton will have an extreme difficult time winning the nomination even if all the delegates were added from Michigan and Florida - read more here: http://airitoutwithgeorge.blogspot.com/2008/05/dnc-rules-bylaws-committee-meets.html

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MBM Chicago, IL — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:25:28 GMT

You have to remember that what the Clintons said, did, signed or agreed to yesterday doesn't apply to today or tomorrow. They have demonstrated that they have no character, integrity, honor, morality or honesty. Why then should we expect them to honor any agreement they made or live up to their word?

Your vote only counts if it benefits them. And forget about them being concerned about the Democratic Party. Hillary just said on 5/21/2008, that if your in Florida or Michigan and you feel disenfranchised, you might want to consider voting for McCain. Combine that with her invoking the "assassination" possibility, and you would be hard pressed to find a more effective agent for the Republicans.

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Philadonious, Hattiesburg, MS — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:28:30 GMT

Why is no one angry at these superdelegates. We've known for some time who the nominee would be, Sen. Obama. And yet the race goes on destroying the party that in all honesty should have a cake walk through the general election.

The superdelegates are the only ones who have kept Hillary's chances alive period because if they'd declared back with North Carolina and Indiana at the least, we'd be much better off right now.

So I for one dont blame HRC, though I despise her selfishness, I blame the Democratic superdelegates for watching their party slash itself apart in what should have been a welcome back party to the White House.