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donna — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:36:42 GMT

Chuck, Domenico, and staff,

Thanks for today. G-D bless.

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twin — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:37:29 GMT

It's official.

Hillary Imelda Evita Clinton, is a world class loser!

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Kayla — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:40:04 GMT

Wow. Starck numbers. Impossible numbers. What last few arguments could Hillary still have in the bag, if all he needs is like 20 supers? I don't know how I feel about her popular vote argument, seeing as it leaves out a few caucuses and no one will ever know how MI should be counted.

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ET — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:40:11 GMT

It's time for the dems to be confident.

Don't heed the repub propaganda spewing forth on these boards.

We'll run them off, just like we did the last bunch, posing as dems, the past few months!

When is the last time we heard from HP?

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Flag Pins are Lame — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:40:48 GMT

good guys: 1 Alcoholic has beens: 0

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:41:14 GMT

Nice job Domenico for toting up the numbers for us and many thanks to the First Read crew for posting these informative articles and many reader comments.

Looks like Obama has victory within easy sight and next week we should have a winner we can all unify behind to send "Bush Hugger" McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong!

Go Obama 08/12!

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Christian — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:41:14 GMT

Hahahah, 20 Supers for BO Vs. 195 Supers for HRC!!!

Mr. Todd, I think its safe to say THIS THING IS OVER!!!!

Justice has been served.

And for all you Hillary radicals who are more content with "taking this to the Convention", and thus, destroying the party - consider this...YOU GUYS ARE LUCKY HILLARY GOT ANY DELEGATES TODAY!!!

This entire Hearing was a HRC sham! If she didnt whine and complain like a 2 year old because she was getting badly beat, this never would have happened. The fact remains, MI and Fl broke the rules and were entitled to ZERO delegates. So the fact that Hillary came away with ANY delegate advanatage from today should be seen as a huge coup for you Hillary radicals. Although, it appears that all your whining and complaining only delayed the inevitable...and thats a Barack Obama nomination!!!

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gene eagle bear tombstone az — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:42:26 GMT

Mean time Hillary is having a dionysian experience in Perto rico.
She is enjoying the island habit of a Car Caravan
which is tantamout to DESPERATION,
iT MAY HELP the pop vote but it is al over
Obama 08

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Primaryfatigue, texas — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:42:51 GMT

I hope we're not too little too late. I think there's been enough damage by the Clinton Campaign, to make me nervous regarding whether Obama can take the presidency or not. I'm just hoping after all this crap, she will not be on the ticket with Obama. The superdelegate should have ended this a long time ago, this feeling of "I'm entitled and unless you are going allow me to finish out till all votes are counted in all states, then I'll ruin the rest of you" is just BS. Get a backbone SD's.

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Dennis Boyle, Dallas Texas — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:42:55 GMT

The DRC Meeting, which should have had a goal of making sure Florida and Michigan voters were fairly represented in choosing the nominee, turned out to be “simply Politics as usual. It was apparent that the agenda was concerned with which candidates could get the most delegates.

I expected better, but the members of the DRC quickly proved that their views were determined by the needs of the Candidates they endorsed or worked for. The DNC had an opportunity to show the American Voters that they could come up with a fair solution that would please the voters in Florida and Michigan, but that didn’t happen. I don’t think we needed a Solomon and a Sword.

It shouldn’t have been about 50% or 100% of delegates or half vote or full vote.. The key was to determine how the voters of Florida and Michigan might have voted in “real” Primaries where they knew their vote would count. The DNC could have taken a secret poll of the voters in June, but that would have been too easy.

The latest June State General Election polls showed that Hillary and Obama were tied at 44% against McCain. So the Michigan delegates should have been split 50-50. In Florida, Hillary had 48% and Obama 41%. Based on 100%, Hillary gets 54% and Obama 46%. Not that it matters but the popular vote could have been split that way as well.

The Florida and Michigan Voters would view it as fair since it was based on polls not flawed Primaries and the DRC and DNC would have proven they could rise above the back room political bickering we are all tired of,. Shame on them, shame on us.

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Becky in CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:45:21 GMT

This is what is at stake in Nov: Economy in crisis, housing crisis, health care mess, gas prices, food prices, the environment, wars in Iraq and Afghan.

We need to unite to elect a democrat in Nov. We have had eight years of mess to clean up. I know Sen.Clinton supporters are upset now. It is understandable. I remember what Michael Moore said in a Larry King interview. He said he supported Sen.Obama but if SenClinton won, he would drag himself to the polls and vote for the D. Most Sen.Obama supporters said the same in exit polls. As a woman, I know it feels like we lost the chance for a woman president. But voting for Sen.McCain is not the answer.

I believe Sen.Obama won fairly. He did not bring up any of the Clinton scandals where as he had to fight her name recognition, his race and pastor.

Let us unite and focus on the big prize

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AJ, Boston, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:45:27 GMT

Why does Chuck keep assuming that Obama will win half the remaining pledged delegates (PR, MT, & SD)? A 50/50 split in DT and SD seem likely, or maybe net of one or two to Obama, but isn't Clinton likely to net something like a dozen in Puerto Rico?

All academic of course, since Obama is the nominee, but just sayin...

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Tom in Seattle — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:45:30 GMT

OK SDs lets do your job. Make it decisive...and don't give her a credible chance to question the credentials committee in Denver. Make it a moot point.
Give him the landslide victory that he deserves for his presidential patience with her dastardly behavior. And.....don't even think about her as VP...I for one would not donate to a ticket with her on it. She is the antithesis of Obamanation.

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Ian — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:45:34 GMT

I'm guessing the uncertainty of this thing will last less than a week. Did you notice how many unpledged delegates voted for the motions that ultimately passed? Wonder how many Clinton SD's were offended by Harold EEK-ees' restatement of the "nuclear option" threat. Do you want to win in November or do you want that possibility to be in doubt? That's the question these people are currently considering.

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chris, SC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:45:39 GMT

Come on supers, it's your turn now. Show the American people that you will respect their decision and back Barack Obama. Hillary has lost, fair and square. It's time to show her the door and help us unite as democrats. It's the only way we can win in Nov.

Also thanks to Domenico for staying late on Saturday and keeping us all informed.

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Paula Levy, Florida — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:47:17 GMT

this is crazy!!!!!

DNC's rules should be changed in 2012

This time- Obama should get the nomination.

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Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:47:23 GMT

We can dare to believe in our future.

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Bob, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:47:50 GMT

I think all the digruntled hillary supporters NEED to vote McCain!

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allison — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:48:17 GMT

give it a rest hillary.TIME FOR CHANGE! or better yet CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN

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Bob, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:48:33 GMT

if hillsy steals this in August I think all the digruntled Obama supporters NEED to vote McCain!

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Bob, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:49:06 GMT

I think all the digruntled hillary supporters NEED to vote McCain!

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Dan in La Paz, Bolivia for vacation — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:50:59 GMT

First Read is on point once again. Great job guys.

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Zack — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:51:39 GMT

We all know what Obama wants to do for Tuesday night, but do you think he can pull it off? He probably has more than 20 in the wings, but can he convince 20 of em to declare by poll closing Tuesday?

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notfairintheusa — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:51:48 GMT

This is a joke, each and every vote should count, and since they don't I pray that Florida and Michigan both will turn on the DNC and vote Republican, since they are half a person, half a sate, half American, speak up in NOV. 2008 and let the DNC know, you will heard if not by them then by the REPUBLICAN PARTY, show them and vote MCCAIN.

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Denise, Orange County California — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:51:53 GMT

These women are seriously embarrassing and what’s sad and scary about their actions is that they make people question the thought of having a woman as president.

If we are going to have these types of reactions or one can say “Over Reactions” because their candidate who ran an incompetent and ineffective campaign didn’t win, we will never have a shot. The only person who took this victory away from Hilary Clinton is Hillary Clinton.

And now it’s time for these women to come to terms with this FACT and stop embarrassing themselves and the rest of the Woman’s Movement!

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Bye Hillary and leave your keys — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:52:42 GMT

New Math = This is the end of the road for Hillary *POOF* Clinton

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Greg Peterson, Kamuela, HI — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:52:42 GMT

I've been stunned by the hyprocrisy coming out of the Clinton camp when they insist on "playing by the rules" and "count all the votes" and in the next breath claim that Hillarity leads in elected delegates and popular vote because they don't include the results from caucuses. Hillarity clearly is the candidate representing four more years of the politics of fear, the ridiculous and the absurd. What we need is change, who we need is Barak Obama. Let's move on.

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chris, SC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:52:51 GMT

20 delegates needed for Barack to 195 for Hillary. Pretty sweet numbers. You got to love it. Come on Super Delegates. It's time for your to shine.

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Tom in Seattle — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:53:03 GMT

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Obama Supporter from NY — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:53:12 GMT

Let me be one of the first to say congratulations to Sen Obama on his (soon to be )nomination!

Thanks to Sen Clinton too - the fought was long and hard, but you came just a little short.

Let's hope that the threat by Mr. Ickes on behalf of Sen Clinton to extend this fight to the Credentials Committee is just that -- a threat. And to the Clinton supporters who are mad as hell now (why, I'm not too sure - the COMPROMISE seems fair), democracy is a messy thing. We all saw that today.

Maybe tomorrow in the light of day - you will begin to realize that the system ain't perfect -- but it, with all its flaws, still works. And be thankful that it does.

Get used to saying: President Barack Obama!

Obama '08

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Shell, Indy — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:53:18 GMT

Thank goodness this is over. Now on to beating Mc-InSane !

For the clinton supporters, just remember she got more than she should have gotten today. She signed a pledge and is even on tape stating their votes would not count.

If she were truly concerned about Fla. & Mich voters, she would have objected "B-E-F-O-R-E" SIGNING THE PLEDGE. After Feb. she thought she would not need you. She "used" you all for her benefit... not for yours. She is very good at manipulating and cheating. She was awarded today for not playing by the rules and forcing the DNC's hand.

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GENE EAGLE BEAR TOMBSTONE AZ — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:55:24 GMT

clinton is su
per dyonisian campaigning in Puerto Rico with a car caravan of drunken followers , this is DESPERATE
JUST SIGN IN TO A hOLIDAY INN AND GET A GOOD NIGHT REST

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Suspicious in Seattle — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:02:34 GMT

Is Harold Ickes drunk?

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Creatortj, Orange, NJ — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:03:34 GMT

In light of the DNC's decision to include Michigan's delegates in the candidates totals, will MSNBC also include the "uncommitted" popular vote tallies for Michigan in Sen. Obama's column as well? If MSNBC Does, this should now erase Sen. Clinton's so-called popular vote lead claim as well.

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Ohio Voter — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:03:43 GMT

Good, now let's move on. Why? Our troops are dying because of a lie. Our citizens are living in poverty. Our Bill of Rights is in tatters. The Republicans want to keep it that way. The Democrats want to change it. Hillary supporters: Hey, I understand that you're unhappy. But if you vote for McCain, then you have blood on your hands. Plain and simple.

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Fuzzy math giving me headaches — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:04:02 GMT

My Goodness!!!! How many maths are we going to have to learn to keep up with this game. How many different ways can we count the delegates???? This is retarded to say the least. We know who the nominee is. I refuse to learn any more new math. Obama and McCain in the general. That is math that I can follow. 1+1= Obama.

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Annadda Human On Da Planet, A City — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:04:02 GMT

See, It Does Not Matter HOW You Arrange The Deck Chairs, Her Titanic Failure Still Resounds with a FLOP!! The Clintons are like 3 day old fish, and their politics smell worse!!
She is losing sooooooo bad there is not a thing she can do, Live With It!!

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clairton, pa. — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:05:27 GMT

Obama could have hit his mark of keeping Hillary's gain under 20, but he opted instead to do what was most magnanimous, and healing, for the party.

I love Senator Obama.

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DB304 — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:05:52 GMT

All this ridiculous hoopla over Clinton's ego. I used to worship the Clintons. They are horrible people after seeing this unfold. They are too dangerous for this party and a thorn in it as long as they remain with us. Hopefully, they will use the next available swift shutting door.

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Scott W, Loveland, Ohio — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:07:01 GMT

Hillary...please be smart.

If you do plan on running in 2012 I think now is the time to bow out GRACEFULLY. Sure, sure, wait until after Tuesday but, please, for your political future's sake and for the sake of the upcoming general election, admit defeat and move on with your head held as high as it can be at this point.

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Jack Hussein Donovan, Cedar Rapids, IA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:08:53 GMT

I've been warmed up for a long time - can I sing now?

- Barbara

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My vote cancels out your vote! — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:09:19 GMT

There's nothing really to debate here...

Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

Obama 08!!

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justwaitandsee — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:09:20 GMT

Her supporters disgraced themselves and also the Women Rights Movement. This was not a fight they should have put their energy into… No one took this opportunity away from her, she lost it because of poor planning, poor budgeting, poor communicating and the most important aspect of it all she lost because of poor judgment; she lost it at her own hands and not at the hands of others. And its sad that these women have so low expectation of themselves that they believe that Hillary Clinton is their only and last chance to become President; what do they tell next generation that the Women’s Movement ended with Hillary Clinton…

She was not the right candidate for this fight and there is no other way to spin this and no logical way to blame others for this…. The time will come when we will have a woman President and she would have earned this because she would have fought hard from the bottom up and because she felt she was entitled.

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Jim B California — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:09:21 GMT

It is now McBush vs. BO. You choose.

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Alphaman — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:09:25 GMT

I'd expect to see the supers begin to move now.

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tellinya — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:10:14 GMT

Yaaaaah! Maf baby!

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Melissa, Fishers, Indiana — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:10:29 GMT

I am so glad we can move forward now. Come on Supers....let's get this done and finally turn the page. Even if all the Clinton supporters don't move towards Obama there will be plenty of people like me...Republicans for Obama that will close the gap!

Obama 08 and 12

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Govie Fed Stat, DC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:11:52 GMT

So 1+1= something close to 3 unless you complain to the delegated mathematicians who will really make it closer to 2 but more likely 4. Oops I forgot the protesting. Get a move on and lets not mess up the numbers needed to win the general election where these stupid mathematics put our pressedent where it is now.

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Roxie, Nashville — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:11:56 GMT

You can count Majority Whip Clyburn on Tuesday!

I only wish that I could be in St. Paul Tuesday night!

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Godesscon2001 — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:12:41 GMT

Thanks Chuck...I was wondering what the new delegate number was..
I guess we really do have a nominee now..
Highly doubt Clintopn is going to see 195 sd's come flocking to her..
I say to you sir...You'll be getting a break soon...

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larry Chillicothe oh — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:13:01 GMT

Way to go Obama! On to the nomonation!

Teamsters for Obama

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Dawn, Justice, IL — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:13:54 GMT

The math is the math...I don't know how Mr. Ickes could possibly think taking this argument any further is going to get Hillary the nomination.

The only thing the Clinton campaign is going to do by kicking and screaming all the way to the convention is produce a divided party who loses the Presidency in November AND who never forgets WHY it was lost.

I have heard it said by the pundits and know it is true for me--for this situation--Democrats don't forgive very easily and we don't like losers.

Well Hillary, you only became a loser in many of our minds when you began acting like such a poor one. If we lose the general election--I for one wouldn't even consider you for the local school board--and I damn sure wouldn't vote you into the White House!

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Goddesscon2001 — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:14:46 GMT

OOOops sorry...wasn't Chuck...apologies Dominico..
Thanks to you for the update...so used to C Todd doing it..

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Felix, CO — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:14:49 GMT

Now can we all stop talking about the math? It's over. It's Obama. if HRC won't admit it after June third, a big group of supers needs to go over to Obama and HRC needs to give a nice speech about how hard she is going to work to fire up her supporters to join her in getting behind him to defeat McCain. Obama can give a nice speech about how fabulous HRC is and what a fine President Bill was and we can concentrate on making sure McSame never becomes Commander in Chief or the guy who picks our Secretary of the Treasury, Defense, State or anything else, especially Supreme Court and other federal Justices. We've already had nearly eight years of clueless at the helm and can't afford one more day, much less one more term.

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Democrats unite — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:15:34 GMT

If we don't unite, we will end up with the failed policies of the republican party, I am tired of $4.00 gas, tired of the increase in the cost of living, don't do anything stupid and vote against Obama to proof a point, Hillary and Obama have the same (well very similar) stance on a lot of the issues, McCain doesn't, he has even admitted he knows nothing, NOTHING about the economy, if that who you really want for the presidency in this time of recession?

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Just Me — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:16:17 GMT

A fair outcome. The DNC should have made the decision to compromise on FL and MI a long time ago. As a registered Independent, I found the entire spectacle today to be an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

My husband is a Republican. We both plan to vote for Obama in the fall. If somehow he is not elected due to an ongoing fight to the Convention, we will never -- and I repeat -- NEVER vote Democratic again.

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Christi D Carlsbad, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:16:35 GMT

The democratic restored my faith in them today. They gave the voters of MI & FL a voice at the convention and still managed to render a fair compromise. My hats off to this committee.

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John Katz, Burke, VA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:16:44 GMT

Let's hope that after the final votes are cast the superdelegates will announce their decisions, surely clinching it for Sen. Obama, and the general election can proceed. If Sen Clinton or her followers foment trouble, or continue the kinds of insiduous statements that undercut the nominees legitmacy--such as the powerful but false popular vote argument--then we should prepare for four more years, at least, of Republican Rule. If by chance the Supers throw the election to Sen. Clinton, then likewise Sen Obama and his followers must swallow their bitterness and fight for a Democratic President.

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James ,Oregon — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:18:49 GMT

Obama is almost home , i think we well now see a BIG move on the part of the supers to shut this thing down for good.

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Akber A. Kassam. Minneapolis, Minnesota. — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:19:37 GMT

I think every vote must count from Florida and Michigan, their voices must heard.!!!!

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upset in illinois — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:19:40 GMT

all delegates not seated = all votes not counted.

as a lifelong democrat, i will not vote for a nominee of a party that refuses to seat all the delegates.

as soon as the convention is over, i'll be changing my registration to independent. this is a travesty...and from a party that wanted all the votes counted in the 2000 election. i can't associate myself with hypocrites.

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Prajna, Eureka, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:20:32 GMT

Can you please explain to me why HRC took this to the RBC. Does she wish to expand her popular vote total; or perhaps her bargaining position within the party and thus some position within the new administration? It does not seem that she has accomplished either by her defensive posturing. Can she proclaim that she is the popular vote leader and hope to gain something from that assumption? Or, is this simply a Harold Ickes ploy? Thank you.

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Richard, Chicago — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:21:39 GMT

We need 7.5 SD's between now and tuesday to put Obama over. We need Obama to claim tuesday night that he's the nominee. We're counting on you SD to come through for Sen. Obama.

Obama '08 & '12

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Ron O'Donnell, Washington, DC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:22:14 GMT

I'm happy to see that the committee finally came to a conclusion regarding this issue.

Now we have a solution which makes one side of a party upset at the other. Many angry enough to vote for the other party. As a supporter of the war, the Bush administration, tax cuts and as a lifelong Republican, its a great sign for the fall!

Divide and Conquer - McCain 2008!

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Change You Can Believe In — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:22:20 GMT

Hey all you Clinton supporters, IT'S OVER!!! Get over it you bunch of sore losers, especially all you petty and vindictive older white women.

And don't even tell me that all you Clintonazis are going to vote for McBush. This is not a game. Just because you lost don't throw a temper tantrum like a 2-year-old. The future of our country is at stake.

But, I guess if you like war and more deaths of our great American soldiers in Iraq, then go ahead and vote for McBush. If you like watching the rich get richer while low and middle class families struggle to make ends meet, then go ahead and vote for McBush. If you think a guy that can't tell the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite is going to make us safer, then go ahead and vote for McBush. If you think our country is on the right track and should "stay the course," then go ahead and vote for McBush.

But, if you think this country needs to change course, then please, I implore you to vote for Barack Obama. After all Hillary Clinton will be voting for Obama in November. Let go of all your petty vindictive anger and vote for the candidate that will bring real change to the White House. Vote for Obama.

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Obama Suupporter from Kentucky — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:23:01 GMT

So it comes down to this. After all the crying and bickering by the Clintons they finally get what they want and (SURPRISE!!!) THEY'RE STILL NOT HAPPY!!!!! Honestly, I don't think anything will make old Hillary happy short of Obama saying "Even though I'm ahead in states won, delegates, superdelegates and in the polls, I'm going to bow out because you are clearly more qualified to be President than I am." Yes, Bill Clinton was a great President who did great things for the country. But just because Hillary is his wife doesn't mean that she'll have the same type of administration. She thinks just because her last name is "Clinton" that the nomination is her birthright. IT'S NOT! Hillary, listen to me carefully honey: THE MATH DOES NOT WORK IN YOUR FAVOR!!!!!! Bow out while you still have a shred of dignity left and let Barack Obama do all of America a favor and do away with John McCain in November so that America will once again find some respect in this world.

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Flow, Asheville, North Carolina — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:24:06 GMT

It has is time for a show of democratic force. I call on all democrates to now say we do have a presumptive nominee. We are going back to the White House. We no longer have to be enemies anymore. Let us bring a strong progressive new generation into the process of running this country.
Obama 2008

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Gene, Boston MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:24:33 GMT

No matter how it's sliced, at this point Clinton has lost this. She needs to face it, accept it, stop all the manuevering to try to take it some other way than actually winning--and let the Party coalesce around her opponent. If she takes it further, to the Credentials Committee, the Convention, etc. she still won't win--and will screw her future in the Democratic Party. She still needs the Party in order to have a political future and if she hurts Obama's chances this fall in the General, she will have no future.

Get over it, Hill. You fought the good fight but lost. Be a big girl about it and get behind the winner--or risk looking more like a poor loser than you already do. And, by the way, it isn't because you're a woman. A woman is Speaker of the House now--and she was elected that by a male-dominated Congress. Men will vote for women, but obviously not enough will vote for you. If Nancy Pelosi were running for the nomination, she would have been a far more attractive opponent and likely would have won. So don't cry that you were beat as a woman, you were just the wrong woman. He has to compete as a black man, and that isn't easy either. You ran and you lost. Now be a big girl, stop your nonsense, support the nominee and figure out how you can salvage your future. It's going to take some work; the first step is to start acting like an adult.

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Ronald, American living abroad — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:24:51 GMT

Thanks for keeping us updated on the correct numbers. It does appear that this race is over and that the Rules committee has done its job.

Let's go after McCain!

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S.P. Wiliams, Lakewood, CO — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:26:16 GMT

The fix is in, the party luminaries want Obama more than they want a fair process. There was absolutely no basis in logic for this decision; it's the same old party, a bunch of gutless wonders.

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Jaquelin Pearson, San Rafael, Ca. — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:26:57 GMT

I am somewhat happy about the results of today. I think once again Senator Obama has shown his true colors. He has compromised, given more than was needed all for party unity. HRC has also shown her true colors by refusing to accept the MI delegate apportionment and wanting NO votes for Senator Obama. Need I say more!

I am thankful this debacle will soon be over. It won't be forgotten and Senator Obama is to be commended for his character and
ethical standards.

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Al, Detroit, MI — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:29:09 GMT

Well, the politicians wanted to push the primary forward because they...supposedly...wanted to draw attention to the issues that are important to the state. Well, Michigan is now the center of attention...all of it negative. Why don't we just change our motto to the "Party That Won't Follow Its Own Rules State." How will Independent Voters view the Democratic Party now?

Superdelegates...end this now! Either way! As quickly as possible! Hopefully, we can heal this rift that Michigan has caused before it's too late.

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yelena — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:31:17 GMT

whatever you are dreaming

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Margo — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:31:33 GMT

my heart just broke as I saw members of the same party divided before the world, I am sure much to the delight of the Republican party.

People we have to remember what the bigger issue is here.
Gas prices $4.00 per gallon
4500+ dead in Iraq
home forclosures all over the place

we have real issues here and the Democratic seems best positioned to solve this. If we do not get it together we will throw it away and have at leastmanother 4 years of this nightmare!

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Monroe twp, nj — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:32:41 GMT

Heh heh! It just keeps getting better. Bye bye Hilarious :-)

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yelena — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:33:40 GMT

i just commented no zero comment

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PT, KENNEBUNK — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:36:08 GMT

I hope this acts as a wakeup call to those superdelegates that didn't know what time to set their alarm clocks...... The time is by Tuesday night..... The future of this party begins today. The changes we've claimed we've been waiting for will only happen if we're willing to make an effort to achieve them..... For the undeclared superdelegates, that effort should be simple. Simply pledge your support so we can begin the next stage of making change happen.......

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Monroe twp, nj — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:36:23 GMT

Heh heh! It just keeps getting better. Bye bye Hilarious :-)

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iammom — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:37:31 GMT

What is this? Some kind of shell game?

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cheri, nashville, tn — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:38:55 GMT

anything to keep obama out, just keep changing the rules and maybe the brown man will go away. we just keep stalling for time and someone will come up with a plan to rid us of the horrible thought of having a brown man in office, oh the humanity...right?

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Mark Palmer,Effort,PA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:40:07 GMT

From the math it appears baring a miracle Senator Clinton has no chance of gaining the nomination. The talk of Hillary Clinton willingness to accept the VP slot is without merit. Her past behavior and pronouncements clearly suggest she ha noregard fo Senator Obama. Why would Senator Obama select someone that considers him an Elitist, someone who is guilty of DISRESPECT (Boy meet in Ohio for a debate)REDICULE(Angels will come down wave a wand and change will occur)Someone who has belittled him(John McCain and I has past the Commadering Chief threshold and my opponent has a speech)

If Senator Obama rewards Senator Clinton's bad behavior with the VP spot, his judgement will be seriuosly questioned.

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Mark Palmer,Effort,PA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:41:13 GMT

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Greg Morris, Birkenfeld ,Oregon — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:42:58 GMT

Well I guess we wait another week to see what rabbit Hillary tries to pull out of the hat ....Hopefully it will be a concession speach.Wow how bout the woman from Kentucky with that no unity without hillary rant...I mean I relate to Florida and Michigan voters that want repersentation...but jeeze she looked like a militant racist ...with that rant.Really come on woman Kentucky already had it's say and quite fairly.Makes me wonder what her real beef is.Anyway I trully hope we as Party can get past this and unite towards a common goal of winning the general in November.And no all members of the equal and opposite sex I'm not sexist ...that woman scared me as much as any right wing nut job be they male or female.

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citizen — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:44:47 GMT

How shamefully the Clinton supporters acted...democracy isn't a trough you drink from, it's a privilege and a right. What would any of you do if you had to truly make a stand based on reason and responsibility?

Why do the humans with the most rights squander them on such personal idiocies. This wasn't about candidates or individual votes, it was about a process of respecting those who followed a political parties rules for electing a nominee according to proportional representation.

Why did none of you protest or raise your voice in support before your personal favorite candidate was losing? Shame on you all.

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Former Republican for Obama, Columbia, TN — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:45:03 GMT

I pray that today's sad and unfortunate events can be healed before the convention. This whole event today just demonstrated to many Americans how divided and weak the Democratic Party is right now. I hope that Dems can get behind who ever the Democratic nominee for president is. All Americans must come to realize that John McCain clearly equal 4 more years of George W. Bush and his failed policies. We cannot afford another Bush term...WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER BUSH TERM!!! All Dems need to keep repeating this to yourself.

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Piper — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:45:27 GMT

What is the popular vote count now? How is this gonna work?

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campdog — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:46:41 GMT

This election is going to bring on change all right. McCain will win, successfully govern from the middle and destroy the myth that there are only two points of view, the right or the left.

Now that would be a change most Americans could believe in....and will vote for.

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A. Kline, Nevada City, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:47:04 GMT

It was a sensible compromise. Now let's rally behind our nominee and win the White House back in November!

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lea,fredericksburg,va — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:47:46 GMT

How come Clinton supporters cannot read or count?
Simple math.
She did a good job on convincing them to believe she was ahead in the popular vote,the ones from Michigan we cannot count. I guess.

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gene eagle bear,tombstone az — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:49:34 GMT

hillary is drinking wine and riding in a car caravan in Puerto rico, this is not a predictgable path to the presiodency,

WAKE UP AMERICA

Hilllary is done for, defeat McCain and Move On

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CRY & MOAN FOR POOR HILLARY ... — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:52:42 GMT

THE PEOPLE PRESENTING THE FLORIDA & MICHIGAN CASE FOR HILLARY WERE PATHETIC.

ALL THEY DID WAS 'CRY & MOAN' -'CRY & MOAN.'

PATHETIC HUMAN BEINGS.
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Hank Gosslin Duval WA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:54:01 GMT

It really bothers me that our votes don't count in this election, I was always a believer that the popular vote meant something here in American, but as I have gotten older I have had to eat the fact that it is the delegates and superdelegates who really have the say and shame shame It is not power to the people and I am finding that my vote doesn't count in the presidental election.

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Sunnyside, New York, NY — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:54:30 GMT

Denver? Denver? is this the only slogan Clinton's backer can think of? The supporters shouting during the RBC meeting were an absolute disgrace -- middle age women and men acting like juvenile delinquents!. So Obama's supporters are suppose to be young gen-Ys and gen-Xers?, at least these young people have the forsight and intelligence to know what is at stake -- $10 gas, a war that has no end with John McSame, and a healthcare and economic plan that essentially says "My friends yer on yer own now don't git sick". To think that these looney supporters shouting at the RBC meeting can walk the streets unchaperoned is a travesty to society. Harold "@!&*" Ickes and his foul mouth need to be scrubbed with a bar of soap.

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twinoftwins, WA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:56:01 GMT

Clinton can not win so she should be nice and join the rest of us working toward the General election. It would do wonders to improve her image.

Obama 08

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H, Stockton CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:56:10 GMT

ok, no more crying from the Hillarybots. It was apparent from the demeanor of a lot of those party leaders that they were sick of Clintons selfish inability to concede for party unity.

thank god this is almost over so we can finally sit back and watch the big O tear McGramps a new one.

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Gene eagle bear tombstone, az — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:56:47 GMT

Hillary is riding a car in a caravan in Puerto Rico
Bravo, this is desperation, and maybe 300 drunken votes,Yeah lets get on to the serious debate and defeat Bush

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Sidney in Boston, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:57:04 GMT

Chuck: thanks for breaking this down for us!

My question: what is the official POPULAR VOTE count?

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Independent Don, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:59:49 GMT

Chuck:

Can you verify the portion of the agreement where Obama was guaranteed the two add-on delegates for Michigan, which would give him another full delegate (i.e. 2 x 0.5 delegates) for his total.

Thanks,
Don

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Greg Morris,Birkenfeld,Oregon — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:00:08 GMT

Wow today made me proud to be a Democrat.No we are not a perfect Party but from what I watched today,we're as close as it's get's.Taking into account of course that we always seem to shoot ourselves in the foot.Fumble in the fourth quarter on the one yard line with 5 seconds left while being down by 3.Attack each other more than the GOP.Have more factions than the shites in Iraq and Iran.Might loose to grandpa in November.But even with with all that I still love everyone of you...If I'm gonna be burned at the stake I guess better a Democrat should do it.Oh and my silent Prayer ....Please good people elect a Democrat in November ....not for me but for Raelyn Kelly Smith my grand daughter who will enter this world and this Nation some time in July.Peace all.

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Jay Bird, Newport Beach, Calif — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:00:26 GMT

I hope everyone is finally happy! The democrats really need to get started on November.

Obama will clinch it next week, and he should pick Wesley Clark as his running mate.

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mary smith — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:00:51 GMT

LaRouche Denounces DNC's Florida, Michigan Decision
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MAY 31, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche responded immediately to today's decision by the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Committee, granting Michigan and Florida delegates to the Denver nominating convention only one-half a vote each. After a public hearing in Washington, D.C., the Rules Committee voted to strip the two states of half their delegate votes, ostensibly because they violated party rules in scheduling early primary elections.

LaRouche denounced the decision as ``immoral, unconstitutional and totally unacceptable.'' LaRouche described it as a non-decision, in the sense that the matter is not settled, and will now likely be fought out at an upcoming meeting of the Credentials Committee, and perhaps on the floor of the convention in Denver in late August. LaRouche denounced the decision as a ``fraudulent concoction, ignoring the rights of citizens to be represented in the primaries.''

In earlier statements, LaRouche had condemned the idea of giving Florida voters half of their representation as ``a return to slavery. Except, even slaves were counted as three-fifths of a citizen.''

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mary smith — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:01:08 GMT

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David D Atlanta, GA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:04:05 GMT

The only thing this does is extend the inevitable. However, this was an important step in showing the party can solve difficult problems. Within a week or two, I think we will see Clinton supporting the nominee, and we will be moving on to preparing for a very crucial general election.

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Bill — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:04:45 GMT

I think its crazy that this was done in front of a crowd. Did someone think that everyone was going to be an adult over this situation? I think it was good to see it on tv, but why the circus in the stands? Did Clinton supporters actually think that a full seating was going to unite the party? I think this was the only solution. Michigan and Florida are to blame for this whole issue.

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Andrew, Boston, MA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:05:41 GMT

(Chanting) Let's go, Tuesday, let's go! (Clap, clap!) Let's go, Tuesday, let's go! (Clap, clap!) So that we can focus on the general election, and let the REAL debates begin between McCain and the Democratic nominee (whoever it is, but it's looking as if Obama may be the nominee).

I'm really looking forward toward the general election debates, and town hall meetings between McCain and Obama, which is why I don't necessarily believe these polls that people are taking. The American people need to know the difference between who they will vote for in November, then I'll believe the polling, especially if the polls are taken AFTER the debates.

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Ryan, Kalispell, Montana — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:09:54 GMT

Darn the luck! Now Hillary needs to buy a new calculator...maybe one made in Bosnia.

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Chris, Hartford, Ct — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:10:34 GMT

Chuck - you guys are the best! Thanks for all the updates as they happen!

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Bonnie Michaelis, Katy Texas — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:10:52 GMT

I would like to know who is speaking for the rest of the democrats in this great USA that did get to vote. So the committee bacically said to me as a decided voter in my state of Texas that we followed the rules and we went to the poles and voted and our votes counted for our candidate. Know the State of Michagan broke the rules you still voted and now you get to still have it there way and punish the candidate that had the foresight to stay on the ballot and I see it as minipulation and I see this party as being even more split because of this only embitters those of us who played the game rules correctly.

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Until today, I was proud to be a democrat. Not now. Thanks DNC for nothing — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:11:12 GMT

How in the world can the DNC use the same yardstick that was used on FL to determine MI?? Because they want BHO to win??? How utterly disgusting.

This staunch Democrat thought about reregistering Rebublican but I want my vote to be Democrat voting for MCCain. I will never vote for Obama. Not even, if Hillary was VP choice.

Obama leaving Trinity is just a political move just like his joining Trinity was (Richardson probably told him to) Just like his phony wearing of the flag pin. Flag pin on Obama slaps democracy in the face.

Come on RNC and McCain go get the inept. Obama and his black supremacy associates must not see the white house.

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paul montgomery — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:12:57 GMT

Paul Montgomry, Lake City, SC
Because of the under handed situations in FL now and in the past, they got more than what they deserve, the true Hillary horns are shining through, promoting racism and determine not to let a man of color out do her. If she was loyal and patriotic, she would leave the race and unite to win the election in the falk instead of making this personal....pm

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What's going on???? Hampton, Virginia — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:13:40 GMT

I actually saw the CNN coverage of the DNC meeting and I think it was fair. Unfortunately Ickes, on Hillary's word, said she would take their decision all the way to the convention floor.

If someone, anyone, doesn't tell her to drop out after Tuesday, then the Dems aren't going to win in November and it will be all her fault.

Nice job Hill.

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Staci, Oconomowoc, WI — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:14:00 GMT

Thank you for your constant updates. Would you please consider adding the number of undecided superdelegates to the categories above. It seems crucial at this point in the campaign.

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nuanced — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:16:15 GMT

I think the genuine disgruntled Democrats who are thinking of voting for McCain (not the fake disgruntled Democrat who are Republican dirty tricksters), should think long and hard about their best interests. McCain could cause them and their children great harm. But if they still want to vote an alternative they should consider former Republican Bob Barr who was recently nominated by the Libertarian party. He is conservative but is not a war monger and is a civil libertarian. You can cast your protest vote without doing double harm to the Democratic Party. The party and the person you (unreasonably) hate would still lose your vote but it would not also add a vote to the Republicans.

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Demetria Houston, Oxford, Alabama — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:18:41 GMT

I love it. I think that the DNC did a great job today,also fair. The Clinton supports yelling out, being outraged was almost comical. It's amazing the selective memory these people have. Harold Ickes and Lany Davis are both a big joke. How can Harold especially sit there and use profanity like that. These people are almost unbearable to listen to. Even the Clinton supporters on the commitee acted in a sincere, professional way. Harold Ickes was the only one acting like a spoiled brat not getting ice cream. Considering Michigan flat out broke the rules,the decision for them was more than fair. Florida was sort of a lose lose situation, but I'm glad they all get to have a seat now. Next week can't come fast enough!!!!!

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Jkan — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:19:37 GMT

Your math is not exactly true. Hillary is 125 delegates less. And non one can reach the magic number in any way you want to bias it.

Superdelegate votes count in the conventrion, not before.

Don't FOOL people by reporting in a moronic way, Todd.

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Carol D Escanaba, MI — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:19:56 GMT

As a Michigan resident I placed my vote, I did not however vote for my first choice as that person was not on the ballot I did however stay within my party and voted for Clinton. Knowing my vote did not count I still wanted to show my support for the party. I was not happy about the situation but I accepted the penalty for the date change of the MI primary (the rules are the rules). I felt voting for a person was much better then voting non committed and it didn't count anyway. Had I known what a fiasco this was going to turn into... well let me just say I don't think I would have voted. I watched just about every minute of the rules committee meeting today and all and all I think the decisions were fair, I think the best was made out of a bad situtation. I as a MI resident was happy as something is better then nothing. As I said my #1 choice was not on the ballot for our primay and unfortunatly is not one of the two left and up until today I have teetered back and forth between Clinton and Obama but today has clinched my vote. I'm very please with the outcome of todays decision, what I am sincerly upset, angry and just totally ashamed of is the behavior and disrespect of the Clinton supporters in the audience. I could not believe what I was seeing or hearing. Both democratic nominees are excellent choices. I don't understand how any of the spectators can say they are democrates when in reality they are "Hilary groupies".
So my message to the Hilary groupies, the ones that feel that this election is being hijacked from Clinton, I am not the only one that voted for Hilary out of principal there are many (remember it wasn't going to count everyone including Hilary said so) we voted to support our party and we will vote for whomever the democratic nominee is. For me however should Hilary pull a rabbit out of her hat and get the nomination it will now be a vote placed with much resentment.

I wonder how many votes she got just because she was the only one on the ballot? She may have made out better today then she would have if the election had
"counted". Have any of you thought of that??

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A. Voter, Jacksonville FL — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:24:27 GMT

Sorry Ickes, the Clintons have been dethroned!

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Shree Shrestha, Madison, WI — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:25:40 GMT

An Open letter to Dr. Dean, DNC Chairman

Dr. Dean,
I find that Democratic Party in America is the most undemocratic party. Just look at the mess you have created in this year Primary election.
First, you have decided to choose the candidate by allocating proportional numbers of delegation to each candidate. Then you chose some magic number of 2025 for the candidate to earn the nomination. If you were smart enough you could have just made the rule that whoever gets highest number of delegates will win the nomination. In case both candidates get equal numbers of delegates then you should have weighed towards the candidate who received more popular votes.
Second, you should have created the rule like winner take all like in the Republican Party. Life could have been easier for you.
Third, you made the calendar to go primary till June 3rd. Then you want Hillary to drop out before your own schedule. Don't you think it is stupid argument?
Fourth, what the heck are Super delegates? In this primary Obama or Clinton will not be nominated without the help of these non-delegates delegates. You think this is democratic. Why this Primary Drama anyway? You should have asked these superficial delegates to cast the votes earlier on to choose the presidential candidate for your party that could have save money and energy to attack Republican candidate.
Fifth, Clinton received 50 percent of the vote in Florida and Obama received 33 percent and she received 55 percent of the vote in Michigan, with 44 percent of voters voting "uncommitted." That means Clinton should be awarded 105 pledged delegates from Florida and 69 from Michigan. Obama should be awarded 67 pledged delegates from Florida and none from Michigan. But you want to award Clinton only 87 pledged delegates out of 174 pledged delegates from these two states just because they did not follow your stupid rules. It's your job to listen to the people of Florida, Michigan, and every other state in the Union. Are you running some kind of dictatorship that it's your road is the high road?
Sixth, you are one of those people who disliked Hillary's candidacy. You people did not want her to run in the first place. Then you want her to drop out of race after she lost Iowa, then after Super Tuesday. You just want her to drop dead. If you have adopted winner take all, Clinton has earned more than twice the number of delegates received by Obama. This math does not even count Florida and Michigan. Yes, Obama has won more states than Clinton. But the fact is most of the states (Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Wyoming, and Mississippi) won by Obama are Republican States. Those are the states Al Gore did not win in 2000 and Kerry did not win in 2004. If Obama is the nominee he will not win those states in 2008. He will win Illinois State only. Basically, you are handing the Presidency to McCain.
Going forward, DNC should adopt new rules for the nomination for the candidate for the President of the USA:
(a) State Democratic Party will decide the date for the Primary or Caucus.
(b) Candidate will be decided at the end of the Primaries or Caucuses.
(c) Whoever wins most delegates will be the nominee of the party. If two candidates get same number of delegates, person receiving most popular votes will be the nominee.
(d) Scrap Super-delegates altogether.
In conclusion, Democratic Party needs a reform before reforming the country.
Sincerely,
Shree Shrestha
4926 Tokay Blvd, Madison, WI 53711

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Mark Thieme — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:26:40 GMT

My sweet lord,

If there were anywhere, by anyone, harbored any question about the reality that Chuck Todd has become the Man, the Go-To Man for political ananysis, the Man who backs up what he says with what he knows... today those doubts (were there any?) were vaporized. Bravo!

(Chuck nailed the 2118 number last night while everyone else was talking [and talking])

Without Chuck I don't trust what I hear any more.

What a refreshing change from the doddering, self-serving Broders, Buchanans, Novaks, Kearns, Brokaws (we weren't the only ones who screwed up!) and Mitchell (ad nauseum).

The sooner these last century dinosaurs waddle out to the swamp to donate their bodies for betterment of petroleum science, the sooner we can make more room for Chuck Todd, David Schuster, Keith Olberman, the eloquent (tres cool!) Rachel Maddow and all those brighter, better, 21st century journalists who have not (yet?) sold out their intelligence and integrity a la David Gregory.

Change we can believe in.

Go Chuck!!!

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Until today, I was proud to be a democrat. Not now. Thanks DNC for nothing — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:27:18 GMT

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Karla, Dublin, CA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:31:12 GMT

Will the fat lady please sing?!--Obama 08

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Diana from Palmdale — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:31:15 GMT

I was embarrassed of the Clinton supporter's behavior during the process today. I can understand clapping and cheering for your candidate, but how can people be so backward thinking as to boo on national TV...way to heal the party. Or, was today an exercise in futility as far as healing the party. There is NO way the DNC could have seated all with 100% vote without "disenfranchising" all of those who DIDN'T go out and vote because they actually followed the direction that their vote wouldn't count. May we please get over this and focus on McCain!!!!

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Vince Allen, Cocoa, Florida — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:31:49 GMT

Please just put the Obama-Clinton ticket together and lets all go kick some war mongering republican butts. Obama for President. The truth will set us free.

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Linda, Leawood, Kansas — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:34:59 GMT

The good news: Obama is the nominee by any one's standards.

The bad news: The Democratic Party looked stupid today.

The average person must have been thinking how people like Harold Ickes could vote to take all the delegates away from Florida & Michigan and then today whine about HRC losing 4 delegates from Michigan. The whole thing was ludicrous.

If this was political theater, there would not have been a cover charge.

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Kuddus — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:35:23 GMT

finally justice is done...GO OBAMA!

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M. Dent, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:36:42 GMT

A foundational premise in a democracy is the rule of law - the idea that laws are binding and that they are equally binding on everyone. This is even more fundamental than the right to vote.

By changing the rules in the middle of the game, what does the DNC as a party indicate about it's commitment to this fundamental premise of a democracy?

By advocating for a rules change in the middle of the game, what does each candidate say about their own commitment to the rule of law?

I'm no fan of how the Bush Whitehouse has trampled on the rights of American Citizens through domestic spying, insisting on retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies, and many other things - mostly because they break the fundamental principle of "the rule of law" upon which democracy is founded.

With this decision by the DNC and the candidates, I'm not so sure we'll get much better out of either of them.

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paul montgomery — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:37:00 GMT

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Leah in ALA — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:39:14 GMT

She has ran every part of her campaign so poorly I can't understand how anyone could even consider voting for her at this point in 08 or 2012. But I am sure she is still going to demand a place on that ticket just watch. you couldn't pay me to check a ballot with her anywhere on it. I am an Independent but A few things Obama has said I have agreed with. I don't think he is the horrible person alot of republicans think. But she is outrageous- Not a chance for me to vote with her sharing his ticket.

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WD NJ — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:39:29 GMT

Congradulations Senator Obama on the best run campaign I have had the pleasure of witnessing. We all know politics is a dirty game and with all things considered Senator Obama has shown more respect for Senator Clinton than one could ever have hoped for from a rival with so much at stake. Senator Clinton did not have her name dragged through the mud although the opportunity was clearly available. Senator Obama stuck to the issues and this is why he is you Democratic nominee for President of the United States. Kudos to Senator Clinton and her supporters for a hard fought battle. I challange you to put forth that same passion for your future and the future of your children. America is at a cross road, stay the course and watch our weaked dollar become a symbol of America's past greatness or take the bold choice to redirect this country and once again become the The undisputed world power in economics, political ideolgy, security and defense with a renewed sense of vigor and enthusiasm for the prospects of a better tomorrow.

YES WE CAN!!!