Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

i'm on board — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:24:00 GMT

wow, it's great to see someone who believes that we don't have to park our faith at the door in order to participate in politics while at the same time not subverting the government into a religious war like the bush regime

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Hennde Lammers — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:25:36 GMT

Obama must think he's really special. He's going to try convince devoted religious people that they should be for abortion? It is so absurd, it is laughable.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:29:04 GMT

There is a powerful article in Newsweek about the medical reasons for having late term abortions. If more people understood why these abortions are sometimes necessary, they wouldn't be so knee-jerk against them. At the very least, they would understand why half the country thinks these decisions should be between a woman and her doctor.

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Ron Indiana — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:29:08 GMT

I continue to be amazed with the creative thinking of the Obama team. Barack is a Christian and it stands to reason that he can and should court the evangelical vote. It could well be that by November, 50% of the religious right will support Barack.
This is no gimmick. Barack feels quite at home in a church and speaking from the pulpit. He is quite comfortable sharing his faith.

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FL — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:30:09 GMT

He is putting pressure on McCain from all sides!!

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Lorenzo — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:30:16 GMT

My new book is out there on the democratic race. It is called: The Ramblings of an Ordinary Christian Man: A man, a woman, chained together to the donkey but we have to have one by God lead us or it is the elephant
by Lorenzo Grey. I think it might be worth checking out because inside it goes over why Barack Obama shouldn't get elected from a Christian and Historical point of view and why Hillary Clinton needs to be on the ballot to get him elected.

http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&header_search=true&sitesearch=lulu.com&q=&fSearch=lorenzo+grey&fSearchFamily=0

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Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:32:10 GMT

Cool! obama's gonna lead us all into "the promised land" WOW glad you all found your messiah! WTF?

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FL — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:32:25 GMT

"Obama must think he's really special. He's going to try convince devoted religious people that they should be for abortion? It is so absurd, it is laughable."

But letting our men and women die in Iraq for a lie is OK with you. Give me a break!!

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Lisa, New Britain, CT...OBAMA for President — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:32:46 GMT

Its a good strategy, and an honest one.

I think the strategy (not just for the faith community) is to get all these young people to at least engage their elders in political and "the future of our country" discussions.

That is the fierce urgency of now, to me. Older Americans have to (to a large extent) have the backs of our younger generation because the younger generation (at least those that have a good head on their shoulders) know that they need to start the policies now that will ensure their future. Social security, global warming, paying for healthcare, our status on the World stage, decreasing our reliance on foreign oil and achieving more sensible energy strategies.

All of these matter so much to the twenty and thirty-somethings who are also looking out for the teens and younger children (and yet to be born).

WE NEED TO HAVE THEIR BACKS. They are our future. We owe it to them to listen to what they have to say.

Engage your elders, talk with them...that is what I say to the younger among us. We need also to listen more to each other.

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Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:34:36 GMT

Maybe obama will invite us all to Trinity!

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Obama Drama — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:35:06 GMT

It's all political - Really. Now Obama is supose to be the everybody's JESUS. Come on????? Just how stupid are we? He used REv Wright and That Catholic guy to advance in the Chicago scene. Now he wants to use the youth of nation? He should have started a youth center in the Wright church to better educate the young black men that what Wright was saying was not true so they wouldn"t feel the urge and right to justify 12 killings on the streets of Chicago every week. Oh - Yay - my bad - He never hurd Wright say anything bad and he doesn't care about the youth in Chigago. Why?? Because he already has the Black voters. Obama is a piece of work. I will not follow that hoodwinking guy anywhere. Obama is a fool.

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Dean, Waterbury, Ct — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:35:22 GMT

Since Obama had gay-hater born again activist Donnie McClurkin campaigning for him in SC, it's no wonder now that he should go after the evangelical vote. What's a Clinton supporter to do? Vote for John McCain, that's what.

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John, IL — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:35:23 GMT

It's about time someone understands that Christianity is more than just whether or not your against abortion. There is helping the poor and taking care of and having respect for the environment (which Christian's view as God's own creation). This is not a black and white issue that some people make it out to be.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT...OBAMA for President — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:36:12 GMT

Hennde,

No where did he say that he's is going to convince people to be for abortion. In fact the article said just the opposite (did you read it?)...

More to the point, it sounds like he's asking them to reject single-issue politics (a stance with which I happen to agree) and look at a wide variety of issues before we/they vote.

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Norton Stiles, NYC — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:36:21 GMT

Walt says: So the fear mongering begins in earnest. McCain cannot win on his "tax cuts for the rich, spend government money on Iraq and Halliburton" policy, so minions will spread the "Obama is a Marxist/Muslim/

Walt, if telling the truth is "fear mongering", then I guess Obama is for a lot of fear mongering. I didn't bring up the "Muslim" thing, you and someone from Virginia, apparently both supporters of Obama did that thing. Obama is a extreme left wing liberal. Is that too hard to admit? He's got a 100% liberal voting record. What would you call it, being a moderate? Barack believes the military is a last resort, and even seems that they would be no resort. That's a pacifist. You seem embarrassed for Obama that that is the truth. Rather then try to defend what Obama is not, why don't you celebrate what he is, that is, he's a socialist. If he's not, just where does Obama believe the government should have less control in peoples lives?

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voter — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:36:22 GMT

I am glad that this is being reported on MSNBC. I am a pro-life catholic and the church is againist the war. It is not considered a just war under the catholic faith because the country was misled to war. there are issues of poverty, education, healthcare etc which are pro-life issues. the republicans have not addressed these issues. although the republicans are aganist abortion, their policies are a contridiction to chrisitian faith. For this reason many young people who are religious, like myself, cannot support the republican party.

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Hermine Clouser Middletown PA — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:36:25 GMT

As an older female prolife Christian I have been on board the Obama train since it left the station. I am excited by this outreach. See also Obama's relationship with the long time left wing activist Christian Jim Wallis "God's Politics". I am appalled at the racism rampant among some evangelicals. For me the racial divide issue trumps the abortion issue for now. Thanks for your report. Obama Grandmama

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PEM, Former PA — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:37:24 GMT

As a middle aged evangelical voter, it seems as if the Republicans only giving lip service to some of the moral issues. The say the right things at times, but when it comes to voting and laws, they do what their contributors tell them to. The most telling one for me was in Pennsylvania when they rammed through teh gambling bill with the backing of the Republican ledership, especially in the state house. A lot of this was to satisfy campaign contributors in the industry.

Doen right, this can be an opening for the Democrats. The Democrats need to be sensitive to our thoghts and issues and not discount and insult us and throw us away as they may have in the past.

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J. Richter — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:38:04 GMT

This is truly amazing development. A democrat comfortable in his faith, aware of its pros and cons, and bold enough to present and discuss his views:

Look we christians have been shortchanged on the faith discussion for too longs. The Republicans have basically said to us - we are one of you - focus on abortion - its a sin.

Then we forget the other sins - working and not been able to afford shelter, food, and clothing - the main scriptural promise, government role in society and taxation (give unto Caesar, instead we are told less taxes even as the skyrocketing prices of everything from gas to healthcare to food to shelter present the greater hidden "tax"), the Samaritan role, etc.

At the end of the day, the overall truth is that neither party is holy, the republicans ahve just made us focus on their being of faith and abortion position and then we assume this is God's preferred authority on earth when in fact - none is - leaving us free to decide based on the best economic and policy positions.

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Jay, Indiana — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:38:53 GMT

"If more people understood why these abortions are sometimes necessary, they wouldn't be so knee-jerk against them." - Amy B Portland, ME

But that would require a nuanced understanding of reality divorced from black and white fabricated stereotypes of right and wrong. It would require that people think rather than blindly follow.

We can't have that.

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Mister Anderson (The Matrix) — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:39:03 GMT

You guys didn't miss it, like most other issues, you guys just didn't care to properly cover it because you were focused on Hillary Clinton. I was amazed to find out the study that showed that outside of Jeremiah Wright and Bush calling Obama and appeaser in Israel, NO STORIES got as much coverage the last 6 months than Hillary Clinton.

That says a lot about the media in America, which isn't saying much.

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Tim Elston, Juneau, Alaska — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:39:55 GMT

I love Barak Obama and would vote for him in a heartbeat if it were not for the late-term abortion issue. There are probably "good medical reasons" for infanticide outside the womb, too, but do we really want to go there?

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Amy Andersen, Eden Prairie, MN — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:40:45 GMT

Thank God. That's it. Just thank God.

Obama 08/12

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Lewis, Cincinnati, Ohio — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:40:51 GMT

Bobbi,
You make no sense. In one post you state that Obama supporters shouldn't talk negatively about Clinton supporters, but then you talk negatively about Obama?? What gives??

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Sceptical in St Louis — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:06 GMT

Obama must think he's really special. He's going to try convince devoted religious people that they should be for abortion? It is so absurd, it is laughable.
Hennde Lammers (Sent Monday, June 09, 2008 11:25 AM)

It would be nice if you would read the article before commenting on it. The reason many in this country see evangelicals as one issue fanatics is because of comments like these. Obama isn't going to try and convince anyone of anything, what he will do is open a dialogue and try to find commonality with people of faith.

If the religious right supported education as vigorously as they supported trying to jam their "faith" down everyone elses throat, the number of abortions would decrease because more women would have information on how to avoid unwanted pregnancies and we would have a much stronger education system.

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Debbie Dade, Jackson, GA — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:19 GMT

[[This is no gimmick. Barack feels quite at home in a church and speaking from the pulpit. He is quite comfortable sharing his faith. ]]

Anyone like Obama that is 100% for abortions anytime, anywhere and with the government picking up the bill is really going to struggle with getting accepted by people of faith. Any faith that supports Obama's positions would be very extreme and out of the religious main-stream.

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6/10 Independents Day--Dems become Indies..Go McCain — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:43:14 GMT

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Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:43:34 GMT

Bobbi

Didn't you say in another forum that Obama supporters need to show more respect for Hillary? I guess that rule does not apply in reverse.

Since you suggested that Obama invite everyone to Trinity, I would like to make another suggestion. Maybe we can all attend the opening arguments in the fraud lawsuit that Hillary Clinton will be facing next January.

Obama/Sebelius in 2008. Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.

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Madbrian — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:08 GMT

For a long time (forever?), Dems have been ignoring religious voters, assuming them to be single-issue voters. Newsflash: not all are. This is the latest in a series of very smart moves by the Obama campaign. Given McCain's reluctance to discuss faith, this a ripe opportunity.

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Ted Greggs, Pittsburgh — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:12 GMT

\\As a middle aged evangelical voter, it seems as if the Republicans only giving lip service to some of the moral issues. //

Well, yeah, except for those last two Supreme Court appointments.

Also, Pennsylvania is a Democratic state. If anything got "rammed through", it's the Democrats that are doing the ramming.

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Capt. Smash, Salt Lake City, Utah — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:34 GMT

How can you be a good Christian and vote for the GOP and McCain?

!. They do not care about there fellow man, they are not my brothers keeper.

2.They do not care about the environment, for example big oil companies say that global warming is not real. They are not Stuarts of the environment.

3. War is always there 1st option instead of trying to get along with other countries and trying to talk to them and encourage constructive dialog.

4. Greed is the must important thing to the GOP, they do not want to hear about caring for the sick and poor.

I cannot for the life of me; how any good Christen can vote for McCain and the GOP. I know the GOP are going to talk about the abortion issue. To me this issue is not for the government or the constitutional changes. This issue is for the educational system, churches and parents. That’s were you can put an end to the abortion problem not by big government telling you what to do with your body.

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ma — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:33 GMT

Hennde lammers I don't know WHERE you got THAT point of view from reading the article. Read the article please . . . again! That sort of impasse in terms of thinking, namely "If you are Anti-abortion you are Republican!" is so ridiculous. The things that affect everyone of us are BIGGER than the right to chose! Also you need to download and watch the 'Faith Forum' from back in PA from CNN. Watch and listen to Obama's answers to the SAME question and concern that you are voicing. Note after that forum, because of Obama's positions on these traditionally touchy, wedge issues one of the most conservative pro-life groups in the state decided to endorse, back and campaign for Obama! It even made the traditional left leaning pro-choice groups go 'Huh?'. Obama has crossover appeal. He is shattering these party divisions and McCain doesn't yet see what is going on. Trust me: McCain is in trouble!!

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steve lynchburg,va — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:46:24 GMT

He should speak at Liberty University, the heart of the far right, started by Jerry Falwell. I live in Lynchburg,va, home of L.U. Not all of these young people are anti-abortion. It would be a good start and would drive the republicans crazy.

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TexGator, Houston, TX — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:46:31 GMT

To Hennde Lammers:

"Yes, the Obama campaign understands that the issue of abortion is a problem for some voters of faith. They respect that and understand if some just simply can't come on board because of that."

What part of that statement suggests that Obama is trying to convince pro-lifers to accept abortion? If anything it sets a respectful tone that if abortion rights is a non-starter issue for your potential support of a candidat than Sen. Obama respects your position and is not going to try to convince you otherwise. If, however, you are not a one-note Christian and feel that issues such as human rights in China and Darfur, environmental stewardship, and releiving the suffering of others around the world (and in the US) are important Christian issues of faith and service (i.e. they are evangelical issues) than you need to rethink this idea that your parents and grandparents have taught you that you can't be a Christian and vote Democratic.

I for one am a faithful "evangelical" Christian, a proud progressive Democrat, and an enthusiastic Obama supporter. I would strongly encourage you and anyone else to read "Audacity of Hope" to really understand the strength of Obama's faith and how uplifting his message can be to Christians and other people of faith.

God Bless.

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Daniel, NY — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:47:04 GMT

Campaign Diaries has the rundown of all the question marks of the money race: Will Obama take public financing? Will FEC approve McCain's fund request? And will the RNC help McCain overcome the difference? Full roundup: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/06/money-factor-how-big-will-obamas.html

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PhilVietVet, Pearblossom, CA — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:47:26 GMT

Being against government intervention in women's health issues does NOT make me pro-abortion. This is a health issue between a women, her doctor, AND God. It is NOT a decision a souless government has any business injecting itself into.

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Richard, Balt — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:47:30 GMT

Certainly if we destroy or damage our planet via global warming ... abortion becomes a mute point. Many more will die from starvation and storms.

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think — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:48:07 GMT

hmmmmmm.........what happened to separation of church and state?

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donna — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:48:32 GMT

The 'Joshua Generation Project.'

Wow!

How many of the evangelical youth will convert their elders, just like young people have done all through the primaries? Remember Jimmy Carter's testimony?

Hallelujah! Amen!

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bill, okla — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:48:43 GMT

I'm a Catholic and support Senator Obama who appears to have a deep comfortable faith. I've read his books and just watching him with his wife and children I feel even better about him. It's sad there are knee jerk nuts that scream about defending life and then vote for those who would deny early health and/or social programs for the children's protection later.

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J. Richter — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:49:20 GMT

Whenever you use the word "seems like" (Norton Stiles) you have deviated from facts into projecting from an inner assumption and some reflection onto the candidate or issues. While this does not mean the position on the candidate is neither true or false (in this case it blatantly is), I think we should stick with obectively analyzing, accepting, or rejecting the next president based on FACTS.

And labels of liberal, conservative etc are the most useless thing I ever saw. I prefer to focus on issues. For instance, I am conservative as a christian on conservative and gay issues although I am for freedom of expression and individual rights as long as they dont encroach on mine or kid's views. I do not buy the republican less tax drum while they end up giving us an environment that taxes use the more although indirectly (and we do not realize this because those hardships are not labelled taxes), or less jobs, less or no health coverage (in the name of no or less government), useless and discredited wars etc. Now, lets drop the label and analyze BO's position. He is in favor of the Afganistan war and actually winning it since it is the right war. (Besides how does one win something that is an accepted mistake). He is in favor of tx cut to the lower income and middle classes and has proposed more rebates for this group. ...

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Lisa — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:49:22 GMT

Get off the Wright train will you? Move on. It is scary that some of us can't think outside the box. Your differences don't make me better than you and vice versa. We live in a place wheere not everyone agrees with one another. There is a lot of hatred out here and I can tell by some of the outragreous posts I read.

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kat1park, NC — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:50:07 GMT

This is AWESOME! The Joshua Generation is the change generation. As in the old testament when Moses was not able to see the vision that God had for Israel, Joshua stepped up with a new and fresh perspective and helped lead the Israelites into the Promised Land. I do believe that pro-life is about more than abortion. I also believe that the Republicans have not done one thing to overturn abortion rights and they never will. Even the conservative justices on the Supreme Court do not want to overturn a woman's right to choose because it is more of a healthcare issue than it is a moral issue. If you do not believe in abortion, don't have them. Teach your children not to have them. That's how you address the abortion issue. I do think we should teach abstinence first when it comes to sex education in the schools. Obama believes this as well. Do not expect the younger evangelicals to be puppets on the Republican abortion string. They will think for themselves and vote for themselves, which will lead them to vote for Obama. Obama is no Jesus. Nobody is Jesus, except Jesus. Duh! He's not trying to be Jesus. He's being true to who he is. He's a Christian. And for the religious right who insists on going back to Rev. Wright, if that's all you have to say, you're in big trouble. You are naive if you don't understand that this time the election will be about issues and not name calling or inuendo. By the way, whose church does John McCain go to? Is that a secret? I haven't heard any details about his church affiliation.

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billy Smith — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:50:10 GMT

A pregnant mother finds out her fetus has no kidneys at 16 weeks (incompatible with life. period). Should she be forced to carry the baby 6 more months, knowing that it will suffer for entire fetal lifespan and is guaranteed to die within days after birth?

If you answer yes, you are not compassionate, you are stubborn and misguided. Abortion is rarely, if ever, used for a safety net to casual sex. There are rare circumstances where abortion is actually compassionate. Open your mind zealots.

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matt — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:52:06 GMT

Hillary's base is important, but don't underestimate Obama's pull with non-traditional Dem voters and young voters. That could be enough to nip McCain in places like the Mountain West and NC/VA.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Fawning Johnston, Eilo, West Virginia — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:52:29 GMT

If Obama is going to try to "begin a dialogue" with religious people over the common ground between himself and them should have regarding abortion, he should be prepared for a very short conversation.

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JM, Tampa, FL — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:52:39 GMT

I believe in separation of church and state.
Christians should not get hang up on the abortion issue because it's not the ONLY issue, there are other far worse issues. Like jobs, souring prices, the war, etc. If one doesn't have a job, how can one support a child? Raise a child and be sent to be killed in a war? Kind of an oxymoron, right?
Don't get me wrong, I am Catholic and against abortion. BUT when in a dilemma - choose the lesser evil. The truth is, all human beings should respectful and responsible for a life. Do what is right without getting gov't to pit for it. I know it's more complex than that, but for crying out loud, look at the OVERALL ISSUES involved here and what kind of impact and consecquences it will have. Again, it's just not one issue - war also kills people, even if they are your enemies.
Obama is doing the right thing. People should give this man a chance rather than stay in the same sink hole we are in.

OBAMA 08

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:51 GMT

Obama is smart; he knows there are Christians and those of other faiths out there who are NOT single-issue voters viz-a-viz abortion. They see the war as a moral issue, they see global warming as a moral issue, they see vetoing health insurance for poor kids as a moral issue, they see favoring the rich and screwing over the rest as a moral issue. And he's right. And now he'll attract like-minded people of faith all over the country.

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Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:53 GMT

I understand trying to get the young EC voter. I actually applaud it as good, smart, and inclusive politicking. What I don't like is all of the "messiah-like" rhetoric coming from this campaign.

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Iowa girl — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:55 GMT

I believe that Obama is first a humanitarian, his faith the foundation of this. I may not agree with each and every one of his thoughts, but when I look at the big picture it too is what I envision for our future. Perhaps, that is what we need to consider, the big picture, not the minor specifics.

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PA Woman for Obama, Philly — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:55:44 GMT

This is amazing - Obama is reaching out to Catholics and Christians by reminding us that it is more than being pro-life; rather it is poverty, war, human rights violations, enviornmental concerns, prejudice, immigration...these are the issues that should bring us together in common passion. Not choosing one personal, polarizing flashpoint - ABORTION - and using that to divide us!

If Sen Obama can pull this off, it will be an accomplishment for the ages.

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For America First — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:55:47 GMT

Obama must think he's really special. He's going to try convince devoted religious people that they should be for abortion? It is so absurd, it is laughable. (Hennde Lammers)
______________________________________________________

Where in any of this does it say he is trying to convince people they should be for abortion? It doesn't. In fact, he says he understands if you are not and that keeps you from getting involved with his campaign. I don't care what side you are for...could we all just quit twisting everything!

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Gail, Seattle, Washington — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:56:59 GMT

Young evangelicals are flocking to Obama!
Climate change and enviornmental concerns are of huge importance to this group...
Once again, Obama is breaking down old barriers and creating a campaign that includes ALL Americans ready for change!
Go Obama!

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Republicans are void of values — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:57:03 GMT

The evangelicals are sinning against the Lord by being the ones to readily pass on the e-mails that slander Senator Obama. It is a sin against G-D to
"sow discord among the brethern". Senator Obama has repeatedly stated that he has made a profession of faith in Christ. He is our brother in Christ. The Bible also states that the Lord HATES a " lying tongue". I have seen it on my job and in my own family. The lies are spread by church-going people.

Alot has been said about Senator Obama's church. They have over 8,000 members. Something good is going on in that church, even if it does have controversial pastors. As a counselor, I have people relate stories to me of their deacon fathers molesting them on a regular basis, as the family played church in the communities eyes. There are alot of white racist/immoral churches across this nation and we all know it! Yet, we point fingers and we are as guilty of sin as they are in our personal rhetoric and deeds.

I am an Amaerican Jew that has accepted Christ. I believe he is our Savior. I also believe that Senator Obama is a christian man that can be used of the Lord to lead this nation in the right direction to help the poor, stop the war and bring back a balance of wealth in our nation.

You want to talk Marxist? The republican party is the CEO Marxist party if there ever was one. All of our wealth is ocncentrated at the top 1% and then the republicans lie, war and cheat to keep it that way. The evangelicals are republican pawns to keep this nation making money for the republican CEO's.

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Jean Los Angeles — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:59:01 GMT

We get so preoccupied with some issues, I have not seen a "fire sale" on abortions. Women that can afford and want an abortion will continue to have them. The freedom in America to practice our faith or not is a right supported by our constitution.

the whole picture!!!!!!!

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:59:37 GMT

Hennde, I am a Christian, an Elder and board member at my church, a regular attendee at services and Sunday school. I am not "for abortion" but my religious convictions and my belief in the freedoms offered by the United States of America lead me to believe I can't deny that option to others. That is partly based on the knowledge that the onset of life varies among religions, not everyone considers life to begin at conception. Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush. I would ask the same of the media, which too often uses "Christian" as shorthand for "Evangelical, Fundamentalist Christian." Christians have a wide spectrum of beliefs in the same way that Jews range from Hasidic to Reformed while sharing the same religious heritage.

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M.A Oswego Il — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:59:47 GMT

Obama is sounding more and more like George W Bush..for 20 years he and his wife and all of their young daughters lives have listened to a Preacher who was filled with ANGER and HATE and now he thinks all of us women (over 50) are going to listen to him. I am all for a African American for President just not this one. His wife Michelle should be begging for forgiveness ,all of those horrid things she said about Hillary and white America and never being proud. She is the one that said she could never vote for Hillary Clinton..someone needs to tell her we will never vote for her husband (THE Selected nominee NOT Elected) I am fed up with the DNC,I hate what Keith,Chris and Jack Cafferty,Roland Martin and Donna Brazille have done for woman's rights.......pushed it back about 50 years.......Hillary Is by far the best person to run our country...Wake up America!!!!! This election is fixed!!!!!

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Jen — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:02:44 GMT

Obama and anything to do with faith is a double-edged sword. For me, anytime I think of church and him in the same thought I can only think...America's chickens have come home to roost.

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Coy Franklin, Norman OK — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:03:26 GMT

Barack Obama going after religious voters is like John McCain going after black voters. Neither is going to happen.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:04:09 GMT

Tim Elston, Juneau, Alaska: Please read this and then tell me if you can't still can't understand why people think late term abortions should remain legal.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844532/

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Boboy, WI — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:04:24 GMT

Obama's November 2009 game plan: MANIPULATE THE YOUTH VOTERS.

They will be counting on this for the mere fact that the youth voters are idealistic, impressionable and most of all, naive about political deception. They are aware that they cannot get the majority of the HRC voters to go in their fold so at least this one is a fallback plan to fill-in the void... Still sounds to me like old politics delivered ala mode and smells like rotten fish.

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

Lonestarkaty — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:06:23 GMT

I am a Christian not a Catholic. I believe in Pro-Choice, because ultimately a woman has to live with her choice. I also believe that I am not the one that went to medical school. Apparently there are now pills that can be taken the morning after in other countries. ( Idon't know if a doctor can prescribe them in the USA). If this is true some of these arguements are going to be mute in another 10 years, laws or courts aren't going to have any control over the issue. Educations and a society that will not spend money on excessive Adult cable TV and media and that show a much needed increase of respect for women would go a long way to resolving abortion.
We as a society and within our family structure need to accept a large portion of the blame for the need for abortion. This is not a politican's domain, unless we make it a hugh expense that the government needs to involve itself in. We need to continue to discuss and be proactive about this issue. Just like racial discrimination it is not something that can be solve in 4 YEARS.

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

Sally, Virginia — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:06:42 GMT

Don't confuse 'late term abortion' for anything more than what it is. It is 'partial birth abortion'-which means, essentially, aborting a baby after it has been born. Do some research on this, because it is really, really disturbing.

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

Adam, Green Bay, WI — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:08:58 GMT

Norton Stiles - your arguments are as predictable as they are defeatable.

First, Sen. Obama doesn't have a 100% liberal voting record by any credible source monitoring voting records.

Second, he has never said that the military should have "no role" or, to borrow your curious English, be" of no resort." But, after 7 years of a President using our military as the arm of the Lord (when he wasn't using them as the backdrop for a photo-op) and taking a "hey-you-kids-get-off-my-lawn" approch to foreign policy, a little restraint and re-engagement with our friends (and yes, our enemies) on the world stage is not being a pacificst, unless you would also use that label on Eisenhower, Regan and even the current President as well.

Finally, as to where he feels government should play a smaller role in people's lives, anyone remotely familiary with the man's policies before spouting off a post wouldn't even ask that question. Sen. Obama has very publicly stood up in front of audiences and said while the government can be there to give people a nudge when they need some help, it cannot and should not be there to do everything. Specifically, he speaks out to parents, telling them that we can make great advancements in the quality of education we give our children in the schoolhouse, such gains will be of no consequence unless parents do their job at home - turn off the TV, turn off the videogame, be engaged in their children's lives, read to them, have them ready to you. He has made great pains to extoll the virtues of personal responsibility and the note that, while government can HELP, it cannot and should not DO in most circumstances (the obvious exception being national defense).

So, there you go. You can label him all that you want, as a socialist or whatever you conjur up. The problem is, that to listen to him, whic most Americans will have the chance to do in the coming months, is to see that he defies the conventional political labels. He is bent to the left to be sure, no argument there, but he has also shown himself to be pragmatic (i.e. reforning versus mandating for health care) and principled (i.e. the gas tax holiday debate), to say nothing of receptive of good ideas no matter the source (i.e. working with Sen. Lugar to corral loose nukes, something about which our Congress has been criminally negligent in doing the last 15 years). As we saw in the primary, labels and names are easy for him to combat - at once ill-equipped to define him and symptomatic of a politics from which a majority of this country appears ready to turn.

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

voter — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:09:40 GMT

Since Obama had gay-hater born again activist Donnie McClurkin campaigning for him in SC, it's no wonder now that he should go after the evangelical vote.
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Dean in Waterbury: he also has a "mentor" the Rev. Meeks from Chicago who is one of the biggest homophobes in the world.

one of the things Obama says is that you have to talk to people who don't always agree with you. This is part of his unity message in that we may have different beliefs about on some of the issues, but we have to come together to solve the problems of poverty, for example. Obama is not going to change the minds of some of the priest and pastors who believe homosexuality is a sin. However, many of the church programs focus on issues of education, poverty, genocide etc. I don't agree with the chrisitan view on homosexuality, but I give credit for the church in trying to address poverty issues which our current administration is ignoring. It is nonsensical to only work with people who agree with you. look at the whole picture instead of one issue. It is irionic that the same bloggers who are aganist obama talking to priest or pastors who are homophobic have no probelm voting for McCain who also have pastors who are homophobic. double standard.

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

schriendog, Colorado Springs, CO — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:10:45 GMT

A note to The Evangelical Right. The republicans have courted you with family values blather, got your vote, and then conveniently forgotten you. Rove did it to you -- twice -- and McCain appears to be cribbing from the same playbook.

Obama's initiative, as many have rightly pointed out, is that religiosity or spirituality is more than where we stand on a single issue. As more and more American kids go to bed hungry every night, we have to visit the question: what's more Christian, more biblical, more spiritual, than feeding the hungry, tending to the sick, or sheltering the homeless?

Obama's own pitch to evangelicals

zorba — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:12:49 GMT

Dear Fellow Christians,

Did you know that the abortion rate has significantly RISEN during the Bush administration and that it was LOWER during Clinton? Why? Because abortion is tied to whether women can AFFORD to keep their children. Outlawing abortion misses the point. Our country needs to make abortions UNNECESSARY. That is the true Christian way. Obama walks the Christian walk in his concern for poverty, peace, the environment and human rights and equality. Let's all pull our heads out of our pious tushies and look at the BIG PICTURE. This Bible-thumping Evangelical is proudly and eagerly voting her faith in November: OBAMA!!!