http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspxFrom Chuck Todd and Mark Murray*** Their Boogey-Woman: Republicans had been waiting a long time to finally make Nancy Pelosi the issue, and they think they may have finally found their chance with her trip to Syria. After all, it's been a while sinceen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113864Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:53:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113864Charles the FewConsidering that this is the only "non-Fox" outlet that I've seen the Pelosi in Syria story running on, and that my mom in Indiana had no idea what I was talking about, I'm guessing that even running all eight cylinders on fully leaded un-catalytic converted fuel, that GOP slime machine has been unable to take this sleepy holiday news cycle away from Walter Reed, Gonzalezgate, GSAgate, the continuing devolution of Iraq, the dearth of Republican campaign donations, what the heck was Cheney doing hiding in the bushes during Tuesday's presser, and, of course, excitement over the amazing field of Democratic candidates.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113872Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:56:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113872Still Crazy After All These Years"Keeps me searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old."_Heart of Gold-Neil Younghttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113876Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:00:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113876Amy B Portland, MEI saw clips of Pelosi in Syria. She looked great! Feminine and self assured, gracious and confident. I was so proud of her! And what a contrast to Bush's appearance at the G8 summit last year where he looked out of his league, grabbing the German Prime Minister, humiliating Tony Blair, etc. I think Pelosi makes a good stalking horse for Hillary. How great will '09 be when we have a new face representing us to the world! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113879Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:03:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113879mikeegabdn,waright wing swiftboat liars will be out in force against this intellegent strong woman. What are the swiftboaters afraid of? the truth..http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113881Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:04:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113881j flWay to go Nancy! Now maybe something good will happen with some healthy, intelligent diplomacy instead of the phoney, macho threatening style of this administration. The hell with them. Go Nancy!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113882Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:06:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113882Lisa, Fort Worth TXHopefully Bill Richardson will realize the goal of bringing home remains of U.S. soldiers from N. Korea. I believe if anyone could bring this about he could because of his extensive negotiating experience. I am surprised, however, that the Whitehouse would sanction this trip, considering the President has named NK part of the axis of evil. Contrast this with the delegations going to Syria; 10 members of Congress besides Pelosi attended, so why is her visit deemed so wrong, while no one else is singled out? Just wondering....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113902Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:23:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113902WesSo the republicans have smelled blood and now they are circling their prey. Why should we care? They have ruled on behalf of republicans over "americans" since they won office. They are bankrupt and over, no matter how solicitous the righwing media is. Their problem is most of us can now see that he who would be king is naked. Republicans have proven themselves incapable of uniting they can only divide,God bless Pelosi, the one problem I see is that she is speaking to the progressive community from the Israele point of view and that I hold against her. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113906Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:25:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113906Darren Pope, MB, SCAll Pelosi managed to accomplish by visiting with Syrian leader Asad is to give a terrorist sympathizer undeserved legitimacy. She undermined US policy with her naivete. Asad provides funds and material support to several terrorist organizations. He gives money to the families of suicide bombers. He is a dictator who will smile as he lies to you. He cannot be trusted. He is a murderer and a liar. He has never had any intention of having serious peace talks with Israel or the US, and Pelosi had no chance whatsoever of changing that. She is the poster child for the lefts complete misreading of the war on terror, what it is, what we face, and what we must do to win it. Pelosi and the left think Syria engages in and supports terrorist activity because we won't talk to them. The fact is we won't talk to them because they engage in and support terrorist activity. Pelosi and the left think that if we just talk to them, hold hands and make nice, they will behave differently. The fact is if we talk to them, hold hands and make nice, they will believe that their murderous ways have been effective. That killing innocents has brought us to the table, that is their goal. To make us bend to their will. Even then they will continue sponsoring terrorism. The ultimate goal of radical Islam is, come on, you know the words, sing it with me...Death to America, Death to Israel! A world under sharia law. Holding hands and singing Kum-Bah-Yah ain't gonna stop them. It only buys them time. While they are smiling and shaking our hands and making empty promises to our faces, they are plotting our destruction behind our backs. Pelosi apparently doesn't understand this. Her goal was to appear diametrically opposed to Bush policy. Whatever Bush is for, we are against. Her goal was to undermine Bush. To say, "Look at me. Bush wants to have war, but I want to have peace. Bush wants to drop bombs, I am willing to talk." She is clueless. It isn't Bush that wants war, it is radical Islamo-facists. How scary it is that she is 2nd in line to the presidency. WE CANNOT FOR ONE SECOND LET TERRORISTS OR THEIR SUPPORTERS BELIEVE THAT THEIR TACTICS MAKE US LISTEN TO THEM! This is all Pelosi has accomplished. She has made us less safe. I know i'll be pounced on for this post, but it's only because the truth hurts. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113909Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:28:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113909Brian, Cedar Hill, TXNancy can tell the republican'ts to kiss her backside. She and the Democratic congress are the only one's who aren't afraid to tell the little emperor that he's not wearing any clothes and the intelligence to know that you can only gain peace and understanding with DIALOG - not ACCUSATIONS, LIES and BOMBS!!! Nancy, you go girl...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113912Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:31:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113912IndyVoterYes - too bad Cheney chooses this moment to assert that CIA and entire intelligence community were wrong and Sadam was truly in cahoots with the bad guys. Either he is senile - or on drugs - perhaps from spending time with Rush L.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113922Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:39:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113922Coy Reese, Shady Spring, West VirginiaAs we once again see the Bush/Cheney demonizing, hate machine kick into gear, there are some facts that need to be fully disclosed. Currently, Republican Robert Aderholt of AL, and Republican Frank Wolf of VA both from the House of Representatives are on a tour of Syria and Israel. Additonally, Republican David Hobson of OH, also a member of the House is accompanying Pelosi. Needless to say those who grease and operate the GOP hate machine will fail to mention these facts, but Republicans are in Syria as well as Pelosi, and it is a very good thing. Two more years of hate, demonizing, and dividing, and hopefully the slime that defines the Bush Administration will be relegated to the dung heap of American history.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113923Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:39:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113923Charles the FewDear Daran, Your points are interesting. Have you ever heard of our "ally" Saudi Arabia? How about Pakistan? This is international relations, not a swap meet or a county fair; the people we deal with may very well deal with our enemies, and sometimes even be one. That's why IR is best left to the educated professionals: The Democratic Party. BTW, Rep. Daryl Issa (R-CA) stated from Syria that the Bush administration had the wrong policies. When? Yesterday.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113928Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:42:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113928Mark ThiemeSome people are threatened by intelligence. Some people are threatened by grace under pressure. Some people are threatened by thoughtfulness. Some people are threatened by tenderness. Some people are threatened by strong principles. Some people are threatened by elegance. Some people are threatened by strength of character. Some people are threatened by poise. Some people are threatened by courage. Some people are threatened by compassion. Some people are threatened by men. Some people are threatened by women. Some people live their entire lives feeling threatened. Some people are even threatened by Nancy Pelosi. The rest of us are threatened by insecure little people who are afraid of everything.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113930Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:42:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113930jtbCharle, my myopic friend: the reason your momma doesn't know ANYTHING about Pelosi's seditious trip to Syria, is that the MAINSTREAM, "unbiased" "fair" drive-by media is ACTIVELY SUPPRESSING THE STORY. Yes, they are ACTIVELY NOT reporting the story for fear of making Her royal Highness look treasonous in a time of war. When will you wake up and see the REAL threat to America, my misled fellow American?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113935Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:47:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113935U2Charles the Few They are trying - desperately trying; and their old Hotline media enabler Mr Todd is trying too!! Unfortunately, it's become kind of common knowledge that a lot of GOP congress people also went to Syria concurrently, same abovementioned GOP folks had some not so complimentary things to say about the administrations inactions on Syria (see Mr Wolf-VA, Mr Potts-PA and Mr Issa-CA), and not to mentioned there was a GOP congressman on the SAME delegation as Ms Pelosi !!! I wonder why Mr Todd kinda forgets about that ... wait - he's just a GOP enabler masquerading as a journalist. Also Mr Cheney' rather unfortunate insisitence on the Iraq Al Qaeda pre war link (Yes he's still continuing with this)has stolen the headlines everywhere from any criticism of Pelosi - kind of reminds everyone why we shouldnt trust Cheney at all!! By the way Mr Todd - Kerry has been a hunter all his life - including hunting our enemies in the jungles of 'Nam, when a lot of other folks "chose" not to do so. You may think Kerry saying the same thing would be an issue - not many other people think so - Yes - Kerry wearing an orange suit in Ohio three days before an election smacks of pandering - but that's a different issue.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113936Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:48:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113936M - In TexasBush's foreign policy has been a disaster. The problem with the Republican attack is they assume that contradicting the president is a bad thing. But the vast majority of the American public disapproves of Bush and his foreign policy. My take on it is that anyone in government who acts in opposition to Bush's foreign policy will be and should be applauded. It's long, long overdue.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113940Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:50:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113940M - In TexasDarren Pope, what is your solution to the issues with Syria?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113943Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:51:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113943Russell in MarylandDarren - just substitute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld ad nauseum for Pelosi, and Saudia Arabia and King Abdullah for Syria and Assad, then try to deny the hypocracy. Darren said "All Pelosi managed to accomplish by visiting with Syrian leader Asad is to give a terrorist sympathizer undeserved legitimacy. She undermined US policy with her naivete. Asad provides funds and material support to several terrorist organizations. He gives money to the families of suicide bombers. He is a dictator who will smile as he lies to you." http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113950Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:58:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113950Peter Caloger Bushkill, PA 18324Cheney must have been the neighborhood kid that all of the other neighborhood kids enjoyed beating the crap out of on a regular basis. He sits and waits for someone to make a real or imagined mistake, and then goes on a blistering attack. He is reviled throughout the world, and we all eagerly await his relinquishment of the office in '09. Or sooner, if possible, and by whatever means. Mrs. Pelosi, ignore that idiot behind the curtain.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113954Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:01:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113954Dorothy"I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man, turn me on, I'm your boogie man, I'm your boogie man....do what you want...."--KC & the Sunshine Bandhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113956Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:01:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113956 S FlaJust give it up Darren! Let your boy Bush go. He will be alright eventually as he will be taken care of by his rich family when his term is done. You don't have to keep sticking up for him,honest. He's already toast.This is Bushs war! We played right into Bin Ladens hands after 9/11. Darren! Your spinning right along with Bush and Cheney. The truth will set you free.Look past your own nose!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113957Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:02:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113957Dorothy"Get up and boogie...."--Silver Conventionhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113958Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:02:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113958charles senuta Who gives a damn what the repukican supporters say about Nancy Pelosi?! She is a refreshing breath of fresh air in what has been six long stinking years of liars, fools, and misfits that have occupied the highest levels of our government. I admire the she has taken on the Bush crap house and attempted to mend the broken fences that Cheney and his hand puppet Bush have inflicted on our former friends and allies. You Bush supporters have no clue about our foreign policy, our Constitution, or how Democracy works but you are about to be re-educated in 2008. I can hardly wait!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113961Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:04:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113961John, Washington DCYou seem to have left out from your brief blurb that the Speaker is not alone in Syria. Isn't she a delegation composed of both Democrats and Republicans? If that were the case, why wouldn't THAT be the story. Furthermore, was it not a Republican deligation that preceeded her by a week or so? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113965Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:07:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113965OliviaWhat good is California's anti-Iraq war ballot initiative going to do? I mean, the Bush Administration plans to veto all efforts by Congress to get this country out of Iraq even though the voters gave the new people voted into Congress the mandate to do this. And there aren't the votes to override. So California's ballot initiative won't make a difference, either.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113975Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113975Jim Smith, Kearny NJ Nancy Pelosi has the courage to do what George Bush can't seem to do and that is to have a dialogue with our so-called enemies, the Syrians. George Bush can't manage our domestic agenda nor can he handle foreign affairs.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113976Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113976S FlaHey Darren and jtb, time to pick up your toys and go home. Bully George is done.He's embarrassed himself, this country and everyone around him.No matter how big a hissy fit you have-it doesnt matter. Stick a fork in him. He's DONE!!Thank G0d.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113978Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:14:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113978jtbAmy: you are REALLY interested in HOW PELOSI LOOKED for the photographers? God help us all, if there are more "Americans" who are as superficial as you, worried more on how a politician looks, rather than their actions. Gee: dumb me: now I know how Bill got elected. Trouble is: how do you explain how Ronald Regan got elected? not exactly Brad Pitt...wait, I know!!! He got elected ON ISSUES!! What an ancient, quaint practice.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113983Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:20:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113983jtbU2: yea, Kerry a hunter his whole life. Never saw a REAL hunter have one of his political flunkies carry his daily quota after a hunt, for fear of the response of PETA and anti-gunners to the photo-ops. Hunter my a--. Do you actually realize how far up a portion of Kerry's anatomy your brains, and opinions, actually are?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113990Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:24:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113990Jeremy, MN"Yes, they are ACTIVELY NOT reporting the story for fear of making Her royal Highness look treasonous in a time of war." We're at war with Syria? Since when?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113995Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113995Lew P. Benicia, CAWhether Pelosi accomplished anything or not, at least she is giving diplomacy a try. Something the Bushies have been unwilling to try. Condi "Photo-Op" Rice couldn't negotiate anything.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113997Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113997Bob, OrlandoDarren, if we continue what we have been doing (no dialog with our adversaries) we should expect the same results (porous borders with Iraq). I am not convinced that Pelosi did the right thing in talking directly to Asad, but communication at some level is necessary. I believe that a group of Republican senators visited Syria last weekend, though I do not know who they spoke to (where was the outrage then?). My point is this, the macho posturing by this administration has proved to be unsucessful in dealing with those who consider us the enemy. When Reagan was dealing with the Soviet Union he dealt with Gorbechov (sp?) and remember Nixon had dialog with Mao in China. Kennedy used back door diplomacy to resolve the Cuban Missle Crisis. Unfortunately, this administration has failed to learn anything from its predecessors and our standing in the world community has suffered greatly for that.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113998Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:28:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113998Charles the FewJTB, You mean not reporting it like the editorial in the Washington Post yesterday supporting Bush's criticism of Pelosi? You might not have heard much of that because most of the points made by that Opinion were contradicted by the Reporting done by the Post's fact-gathering arm. In other words, it's a non-story, especially when compared to the corruption of the Bush Administration. You need to believe that the Media are biased against you because the facts don't match your world-view, so you desperately question the bias of the reporters. But, the (non-opinion) media these days doesn't run on political bias, it runs on pure capitalist economics; if the story generates interest that translates into web hits which translates into ad revenues. The Pelosi story made the rounds on CNN, Lou Dobbs, etc, but it didn't make it into my home town paper, which is owned by DAN QUAYLE's BROTHER in Law. That's how small this story really is. Further, your claims of treason would also have to apply to Former Speaker Denny Hastert for his 1997 Colombian expedition during which he famously ENCOURAGED Colombian officials to bypass the White House. And FINALLY, this isn't a war, it's an occupation of a civil war. There is a war on, just not ours. U2, Hey there Brother! So, do YOU know what Cheney was doing in the bushes?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#113999Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:28:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:113999Lee in Mountain ViewHAHAHAHA! The corrupt and inept crony-orama and criminal conspiracy has seen diplomacy, and it scared the hell out of them. Because the rest of the world saw it too. They thought they were done with that when they executed Powell. It would be great if the war criminals could arrogantly dictate terms to the world forever, but I'm getting the feeling that maybe that isn't working, and so is the rest of the country(except for the really, really devoted cult-types. Maybe Bush and supporters will move to Guyana?) Instead of shooting off their chicken hawk mouths they should have been taking notes. It's been 6 years since an American acted like a world leader not named "cesear" and it doesn't look like good fuel to run the Swiftboot Liars for Goebbels Tactics team - gonna blow up in your faces, chicken hawks. First positive move since the WAR ON TERROR came to mean the U.S. terrorizing Iraq.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114000Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:30:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114000Darren Pope, MB, SCAs I said yesterday, the GOPers who accompanied Pelosi are trying to save their political butts. They are attempting to distance themsleves from Bush so they can get re-elected. Simple. As for Saudi Arabia, of course many terrorists come from that country. Many terrorists come from Pakistan as well. But their governments are not strong supporters of terrorists groups. This is why you see terrorists attacks within these countries. When was the last time you heard of a terrorist attack inside Syria. Exactly. Whenever someone makes a valid point about left wing apples here, most of you jump up and down shouting and pointing at right-wing oranges. It just doesn't work. I absolutley believe we should put more pressure on the Saudis to do more. They, however, like Pelosi, are afraid of making the bad guys mad. They, like Pelosi, believe that appeasing them is the answer. They are wrong. So is she. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114001Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:30:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114001Ryan, MichiganCoy - Your post about the Speaker's visit to Syria is correct. There were several Republicans that participated in the trip. In my opinion the difference is this; Speaker Pelosi's visit was considered high level which the U.S. and the U.K. have not engaged in since early 2005 when Syria helped in the assassination of the Pro-Democracy leader in Lebanon. The other problem I have with it was that her spokesperson said that she was over their promoting an alternative diplomatic option. The problem with this is that we can't have 535 Secretary of States going around conducting their own diplomatic meetings. I understand that the Bush administration's foreign policy has been a disaster but the fact remains that the Constitution states that it is the President who sets foreign policy. I would only ask this. If Hilary was President and was pursuing a policy of diplomacy and appeasement and Duncan Hunter was Speaker of the House and he went to Syria and threatened military action. How would you feel about that? I don't imagine those on the left would be very happy with Speaker Hunter.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114004Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:31:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114004BillTo think that what Cheney, Drudge, the RNC, or the House Republicans have to say about this issue registers in the minds of most Americans is ridiculous. How much farther does this administration have to fall until they lose all credibility? It's about time the adults took over and we stop acting like children in our foreign policy decisions. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114015Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:36:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114015kathleen, glastonbury ctthe "republican noise machine" would be far less effective if cnn and the washington post weren't acting like charter members. it's a shame that republicans are apparently so threatened by strong and assertive women. (and, by the way, what about the republicans on the trip--or, a little history, then-speaker newt gingrich's china "diplomacy?")http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114027Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:42:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114027Rick, GermanyChuck and Mark. Could you not even take a moment to let your readers know that the Washingtion Post and the New York Times were both critical of Pelosi's vistit and her bone headed comments?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114028Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:42:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114028Cathy, MIDarren, I'm confused you said about Asah that "He is a dictator who will smile as he lies to you. He cannot be trusted. He is a murderer and a liar." Sounds like you were talking about your buddy who's pretending to be President. Note to others Darren is one of the 36% that approve of the president, unfortuanately there will be 36% that have their heads in the sand, such is life. Happy Easter to all!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114030Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:45:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114030Nick A, Deerfield ILAnd the response of 60% of the country is....."Who is Nancy Pelosi?" Funny how everything wrong with the world is the fault of anyone else but the team in the White House. Leaders lead in adversity, cowards blame others for their failures. Looks like Bush, Cheney and Rover are a trio of cowards.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114032Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:45:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114032Raflin, Columbus, OHWell, it seems to me that Nancy Pelosi is a "far bigger man" than George Bush and Dick Cheney added together. It's was past the time to take a different approach in the Middle East. The Bush/Cheney strategy of shooting/bombing has not worked. For the Republicans who are critical of Nancy Pelosi's attempts, are you aware that several REPUBLICAN congressmen accompanied her on the mission? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114037Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:48:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114037jtbM- in texas: ask me! ask me! ask me!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114039Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:48:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114039Charles the FewOlivia, Considering the number of state-level impeachment bills (of Bush) going on, I'd say that's one step closer to having a national referendum on the Bush Admin.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114042Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:49:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114042U@Pat Buchanan. Back in 1997, though he differed with Gingrich on China policy, he very clearly stated that Congress had a proper role in foreign policy and indeed should "run" it. From the Associated Press, March 18, 1997 (via Nexis): Speaking at a news conference organized by the conservative magazine "Human Events," Buchanan said the Clinton administration's policy of constructive engagement with the Chinese was a failure... "It's now up to Congress to run foreign policy and it has the power to overturn the president's decision" on China's trade status, expected in June, Buchanan said. "There is time to organize a campaign" to influence Congress, "and this is a battle we can win." Here's Buchanan criticizing Pelosi's trip and the idea of a Congressional leader meddling in foreign policy on the Kudlow and Company on April 3, 2007: Mr. BUCHANAN: Well, Condi Rice has been working on the Palestinian account and that hasn't come out very well. But you're right there. But let me say about Nancy Pelosi, I think it's a mistake for her, unlike these Republican and Democratic back benchers, who nobody really cares about. She's a major, major figure in American politics now. And this is thumb in the eye of the president of the United States, and it does send a mixed message. I remember going abroad with Richard Nixon in 1967. Every country he went to, we went to the embassy and he would say, `What do you want me to say and how can I help the president?' And the country, in its foreign policy, in talking to these leaders, foreign ministers and others. And this idea that we've got--America's got a couple foreign policies, I think, some Americans, it certainly bothers me that she's there. Next up: GOP House leader John Boehner. Here he is in the Columbus Dispatch on April 5, 2007, frowning on the idea of a Speaker trying to upstage the President on the foreign policy stage: In a meeting yesterday with Dispatch editors and reporters, Boehner [said] her stature gave the visit an imprimatur it didn't deserve. "It's one thing for other members to go," Boehner said, "but you have to ask yourself, 'Why is Pelosi going?' She's going for one reason and that is to embarrass the president." But it turns out that Boehner as a Congressman in 1997 went along on Gingrich's trip to China and praised the idea of it. From a press conference on April 9, 1997 (via Nexis): REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH): Well, let me just say that the speaker, Mr. Dingell, and the rest of my colleagues, were diplomatic; they were respectful of the countries that we visited -- but I think very clear in terms of our interest; the role of democracy that should [evolve ?] in more of these countries -- the issue of human rights. And I know from my own background, it was a very educational trip. It is sooo easy to look on the internet for past statements - maybe Mr Todd should do that to properly clarify (in a true journalistic sense!!) the context herehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114044Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:50:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114044Iowa MomPeople, people, don't bother with Darren and jtb. They are so out of touch with reality. Pity them, but don't rise to the bait. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114051Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:54:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114051GeorgeI am so bored with the "Right Wing Slime Machine" and I am sure most other Americans feel the same way. The people behind the slime machine are not smart enough to realize that Obama's biggest selling point is fatigue with the untruthful, sliming tactics we have been bombarded with over the last 6 years. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114065Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:01:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114065U2jtb You mean Kerry's not a real hunter like ...umm... Mr Cheney !!!! Do you realize how far up whatever of Mr Cheney your head is ?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114071Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:03:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114071Ryan NeMark we are certainly intimidated by your intelligence, let me tell you that is certain. If we could only have the poise and elegence that you seem to have we could all be intimidating. Have you ever thought of writing a book or maybe some poems that could really show how truely strong your principles and courage are. You my lefty friend have just described everything that the left is not, you lack everything that you talk about. When you say character do you mean supporting abortion, gay marriage, and other vial acts or when you mention courage is that when you want to tuck your spinless tail in between your legs and run away from the war in Iraq? Those qualities that you seem to think the right is scared of dont really exist in Pelosi, like all of the actors on the left they dont really stand for anything but political gain. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114076Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:07:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114076M. BoleyExactly, Iowa Mom. Let those two live their lives in constant fear of bogus Boogeymen while the rest of us simply live our lives.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114079Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:11:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114079Nick A, Deerfield ILRyan in Michigan. The constitution is silent on who controls foreign policy except in Article II, Section 3 which say the president has the power to enter treaties with the advice and consent of the senate (by a 2/3 majority). Sounds like foreign policy is a shared responsibility. Makes sense since we don't believe in Kings in America. Why people get up in arms over people talking is ludicrous. The idea that we legitimize the government of Syria by talking is a red herring. Syria doesn't need U.S. recognition or diplomacy to be legitimate. The people of Syria grant legitimacy to Assad, not Nancy Pelosi, George Bush or Dick Cheney. Time for the right to grow up.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114081Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:12:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114081Ryan NeIowa mom, I have read some of your post from time to time and let me tell you, are you smart or are you smart??? I wasnt going to bother replying to your elegent post but I couldnt help to be moved by your enlightning thoughts and ideas. I guess that Darren and jtb havent read enough of your stuff to truely appreciate your grasp on the issues and reality.. I have been doing a lot reseach of late on all the issues at hand in this country and nothing has truely gotten through this thick conservative head of mine until I read some of your prolific statements. So, Iowa mom your keep posting and I will keep on reading, cant wait for your next brain teaser.....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114084Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:14:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114084M. BoleyU@, the President is DESERVING of embarrassment. Newsflash: when you are in the wrong and your transgressions result in the mayhem that Iraq is experiencing then exposure and the resulting 'embarrassment' is not only completely called for but demanded. I, for one, frankly do not give a damn about the personal feelings of the President and for anyone to play the 'sensitivity' card or 'let's be respectful because he's the President' card here is seriously out of touch. Some people are simply not worthy of respect, period.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114085Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:14:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114085Terry, Palmdale, CAThe article fails to mention the negative press Pelosi got in The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and USA Today, among others. Are they all part of the "GOP attack machine"?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114093Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:22:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114093Mark ThiemeIowa Mom: these are lonely people who crave reaction to their otherwise pointless daily routine. They merit more sympathy than disgust. It does seem they really start having fun when someone takes them seriously. It is nonetheless depressing to watch them decompose in front of our eyes on this blog. They will wail about their right to speak as if that had anything to do with the tiny bubble of fear and loathing in which they exist. Perhaps this is a sort of therapy they need and we can help them if we are so inclined. Some do try. If you read their posts, listen to their anxiety and faux bravado, you may see the outline of the the notorious "Bush base." This is what the the 30% look like. That speaks volumes.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114096Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:25:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114096Bob, OrlandoRyan Michigan...I agree with you to some degree and your analogy regarding Hillary and "Speaker" Hunter is a good one. The problem is, do we just sit on our hands for the next 22 months and allow this disasterous foreign policy to continue to ruin our standing with other nations of the world, friend and foe alike? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114108Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:33:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114108Darren Pope, MB, SCIowa Mom: I am out of touch with reality = I don't agree with every anti-Bush statement posted here. Cathy: I am not A Bush supporter. I am an America supporter. I believe in our Constitution which says thet our president will set foreign policy. I am not one of the 36% who has a "favorable" opinion of Bush. He leaves a lot to be desired from a leadership standpoint in my opinion. I do support the war in Iraq. I am truly independent. I am open minded. I agree with the right on some issues, and with the left on many issues. I don't rubber stamp everything from one party and rage against everything from the other. Doing so would show that I am not objective, that I AM out of touch with reality and blindly support one party because I happen to hate the current sitting president. It just isn't possible that the dems are always right and Bush and the GOP are always wrong, or vice-versa. If you believe that, you need to get out more. You need to read, investigate, and open your mind to the possibilty that you are not right about everything while everyone who disagrees with you is always wrong. That is a symptom of a mental disorder. Most of the people who post here are seemingly just waiting for each new story to break so they can pounce on Bush and the GOP. Some are paid bloggers, no doubt. Some are just partisans. Some just rail against Bush because he happens to be the current presidentr, they probably railed against Clinton when he was in the WH. It is the same ol' same ol' day in and day out. Nothing new. The same rants. No room for the possibilty that they might be wrong this time. It is, in many cases, obviously blind haterd of Bush. If he said it, it's a lie, if did it, it was wrong. BS. Only the most feeble-minded could buy such a load of crap. Bush will be out of office soon enough. What will you guys do with all that misplaced anger then? I guess you'll be OK, because unless something changes there will be another Republican president. I'm hoping someone will emerge from the ranks of the "don't have a chance" candidates...maybe someone like...oh, I don't know...TOM TANCREDO!!! TOM TANCREDO!!! TOM TANCREDO!!! TOM TANCREDO!!! TOM TANCREDO!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114113Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:35:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114113Amy B Portland, MEcalm down Ryan Ne, nobody has stolen your pig. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114116Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:45:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114116John R, Newport RIhow come Nancy goes to syria and gets slammed, but when the republicans went a week earlier we didn't hear a thing. Darren check your facts and go to fox. all you do is insult and have nothing constructive to add. Because the Republicans are out for a long time. Lets talk about the Republicans going to syria and George the king and Chicken Dick didnt say a word. Typical right wing hypocriteshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114117Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:45:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114117Skaden, Los Angeles CA.What the Administration fears the most is that the country will find out that Ms. Pelosi has everything they lack. No, I don't mean she has Bush's male parts...she doesn't need them, because she has the brains. The Administrations male parts are running in circles acting all macho trying to find a quieter way to loose the entire war, country, world while they pretend the Darren and JTB's are actually the american populous. Or we are that dense. (and yes some of my best friends are Republican/Bushys).http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114121Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:47:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114121dratty, Jersey City NJ"(did her folks REALLY not see this coming?)." Oh I'm sure they saw the GOP attacks coming. What I don't think they saw coming was Lauer's attack piece this morning where he cited three sources (the hawkish WaPo, the WSJ oped page and Cheney) as his basis for how she's 'usurping Presidential power. They probably also don't see your rehashing of GOP talking points being on display for all to see on MTP this Sunday, now that you work for Welch's gang and have your marching orders. But fear not Chuckie. WE see it coming and we'll be ready if you don't mention Hastert's trip to Colombia when he TOLD the Colombian government to ignore Pres. Clinton and deal with Congress instead, or if you don't mention your colleague Matthew's comment last night that what Olmert says isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Yeah, WE see it coming.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114124Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:48:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114124JWilson, Atlanta, GACheney accuses Pelosi of "bad behaviour" over in Syria...you'd think she was over there drinking her ass off, doing cocaine with Assad, and dancing on tables with a lampshade on her head...give it a rest Reps. Its about time we had an adult handling our foreign policy.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114126Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:50:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114126Coy Reese, Shady Spring, West VirginiaRyan, MI...if Hillary were President of the United States, and I had supported her, and she had followed the exact incompetent path as has President Bush then 1) I would have put my Democratic Party faithfulness behind me, and 2) in order to salvage American lives, limbs, and treasure I would 100% support Duncan Hunter. What President Bush has done..or not done...is such an unmitigated disaster, that to continue to support him as our men and women die in a hopeless age old Civil War, surpasses political allegiances, in my opinion. Were Hillary Clinton a President who had lied to her Nation in order to go to war against those not responsible for 9/11, she would never never have my support, under any circumstances. Furthermore, I would support any of her political rivals, attempting to pursue a path to end this debacle, rather than continue to support a lying President and his failed stay the course stategy. In other words Ryan, I feel the welfare of the Troops, caught between the warring tribes in Iraq, are more important that political party loyalty.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114130Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:55:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114130R.MerrellFrom MSNBC 4/6/07: "Cheney reasserts al-Qaida-Saddam onnection Vice president’s words come as latest Pentagon report again dismisses link". So where does five-Vietnam-deferments-in-a-row Cheney show up to keep pressing his case that he knows more about al-Qaida than anyone else (Pentagon included)? Where else but the only place he has any credibility, with Rush Limbaugh and right-wing radio. What a surprise! Mr. Gravitas is the ultimate shadow dancer and he'll always have a partner in Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Ingram, Michael Reagan etc. etc. No matter what, in Cheney's world, opinion always trumps truth as truth has a nasty habit of getting in the way. Just ask "Scooter".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114133Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114133Lisa, Fort Worth TXRyan, MI, What is your source for Pelosi "trying alternative diplomatic methods?" Just wondering, you seem to be knowledgeable and view all sides of issues, which is appreciated. Everything I have read on the situation indicates Pelosi was reiterating the standard WH policy on Syria, not seeking to make foreign policy changes...can you elaborate? thanks, http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114139Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:06:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114139Lee in MVdratty- that was impressive. Keep it coming. I didn't see Lauer - I don't know if I should be surprised or not, but I say we toss the Today show right out of the "left wing MSM conspiracy*."...*The only ACTUAL conspiracy - Oswald was the lone shooter, Bush did not steal both elections, and Goodyear, Ford and gasoline refiners did not conspire to rip up every foot of trolly track in LA, but THIS conspiracy is real, baby. Ask any neocon if you don't believe me.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114140Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:07:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114140Ryan Ne Mark, how do you know so much about my life? Its like you been peeking in my window watching my pointless daily routine, and I appreciate your sympathy because the good lord knows that I need all the loathing that I can get. Please dont be depressed on my account, its hard living in a world where my morals dictate my behavior. I wish that I didnt have to feel guilt for doing wrong or have to deal with my strong morals. I just wish for one day I could do whatever it is that I want just to feel good and not have anyone tell me that it is wrong, what freedom that must be. I want to be able to enjoy life without god and all the responsiblity that comes along with being a christian, just for a day or so... It must be nice Mark not to stand for anything, no worries, no regrets, nobody telling me what right or wrong because its my life and darn it, I will live it however I want to... I have to run I have to give my wife a ride to the clinic as are house is already to full to raise anymore of those pesky kids.. if you know what I mean?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114147Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:15:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114147Ryan NeCoy I have heard some pretty funny jokes about the education levels in W.V. but I never really thought it was true until now... I do learn something new everyday.. Half wit!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114153Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:20:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114153Bob, OrlandoTo all of you beating up on Chuck Todd...did it ever occur to you that maybe he is just trying to pose a few questions that may provoke us political junkies and get our partisian blood boiling? I may be naive but I think he's doing a great job. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114155Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:24:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114155jtbCharles the few: NOT a war? wow, didn't realize that. No war, just a civil war. well then why isn't the Dem Congress revoking the monetary support for this non-war RIGHT NOW? Or could it be that they know something more about this conflict than obviously you do. And if the Washington Post printed an article or editorial supporting the Administration (Executive Branch), then good for them. none of the regional papers I read have. 'bout time the National newspapers take the correct lead on this story. Too bad the T.V. "mainstream" media doesn't.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114158Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:29:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114158Still Crazy After All These YearsBill, a song for you. "Will you marry me Bill"-The Fifth Dimensionhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114161Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:32:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114161Lee in MVThe real news is Governor Richardson in N Korea. I sure hope everybody gives him real consideration for POTUS. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114163Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:33:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114163jtbU2: imformative blog: good research of data: all up to the most obvious difference: American men and women were not dying right next door to China; there was NO WAR ON WHERE AMERICAN LIVES WERE BEING LOST; Newt did't visit a country actively supplying our enemies on the ground in Iraq, as Madam Pelosi's host is doing. BIG DIFFERENCE. Hell, Ms. Pelosi has the right to go ANYWHERE in the world and kiss any world leader's derriere, it still doesn't change the act of sedition. P.S. the Islamic fascist regime in Syria is privately laughing away at Ms. Pelosi's attempt at foreign policy. To them, she belongs in a chadur.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114167Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:34:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114167Ryan, MichiganNick - You are correct in your post about the exact content of the Constitution. However, it has always been the President in conjuction with the Secretary of State that sets foreign policy. This makes sense that their would be one clear foreign policy message from the U.S. Otherwise you could have Representatives from Kentucky deciding they approve of state sponsered terrorism and they go and meet with Iran to express their gratitude while Representatives from Massachusetts are in diplomatic negotiations with Iran to abandon their ties to Hezbolah. Obviously that is just an example but that is the principle that has always been in our foreign policy. Please read this article by the Post as they more eloquently describe the problem that surfaces with Pelosi negotiating with Syria. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402306_pf.htmlThanks for the good discussion.... Coy, you twisted my question. I know that you are against President Bush but try to just answer my question.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114170Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:36:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114170Suzie from Atlanta, GAThis is more of the same old same old, and as usual the PRESS pitches in to assist the GOP/Bush/Cheney attack and lie machine. And clever Press, they have us talking about Pelosi, rather than the REAL story: WHY does the Press carry water for the Bush/Cheney LIE machine? What's in it for the 4th Estate? What I don't understand is WHY the Press doesn't keep asking the same question over and over until they get an answer: WHY is it OK for GOP Members to sit with Syria, BEFORE Pelosi ever set foot in Syria, and WHY do they not condemn THAT visit, and WHY is Cheney still insisting OBL was hooked up to Saddam? Why have they not pointed out that Cheney is INSANE? Clinically INSANE? Or else just so ingrained with lies and evil, he is incapable of telling the truth? And do we have another Nixon here in Bush? Delusional, drunk, and living in a fantasy world where G-d tells him what to do? What should be clear by now, after all these years, is that this entire nightmare of an Administration has been built on lies, with a huge assist from the Press. Starting with the 2000 Election until this moment in time, it is all a lie. When are we going to hear serious reporting, serious questioning and serious challenges to lies or twisted half truths? Where would the "Swift Boaters" been without the Press looking shocked, I say SHOCKED as they played that disgusting piece of crud over and over and over..for FREE. And during the recount in 2000, why did we not hear more about the GOP overseas ballots from "soldiers", unsigned, undated, sent in late, ALL for Bush? What does this gang of thieves have on the Press? Why is a GOP visit with Assad not a breech, but Pelosi's is? Could it be that SHE is third in the line of succession? Why don't we get this report, across the board: After the weekend visit of a GOP delegation from Congress, where THEY met with Assad, Speaker Pelosi arrived in Syria with a delegation of GOP and Dems, to also meet with Assad. OK, it needs to be re-worked, but the idea is clear. Until the Press does their job, and hammers every lie with the truth, we will never have a truly informed electorate. WHY doesn't the Press do their job? Are they afraid? On the take? Stupid? I can only pray that Pelosi's visit is a prelude to a double Impeachment, a 2 for 1, of Bush/Cheney, so we can rid ourselves of this poor excuse for leadership, and begin to rebuild our country under President Pelosi. If Condi Rice, that massive failure, hasn't got the brains to start talking to the rest of the world, that should not mean that Pelosi has to be so stupid. The days of this Administration, and the Reign of the GOP are almost over, and as Speaker, she needs to establish a path forward. What THIS Administration thinks no longer matters. They don't Count. The whole lie is coming open, not thru the Press, but thru Comics like Stewart and Colbert, or Bill Maher, and Blogs, and even the National Enquirer, and shortly, we will not need the "press" to launder our INFORMATION. So NOTE: to the 4th Estate: get you buns in gear and start doing your jobs, or you will loose what little credibility you have left. And until you do some actual reporting of the truth that demonstrates the need for "protection", don't ask me for special treatment. So far, I see no risk taking by any of you, so why would you need protection from the Government? If the Press had done it's job in 1999, we would not be in this position. Yet here they are, "exposing" how often Romney HUNTS, while ignoring actual, important lies by Bush/Cheney. WOW! It takes REAL courage to expose the important truth about Romney hunting. Gee guys, I am in awe of you! GIVE ME A BREAK! I could care less about hunting. So get on the job, report the TRUTH, and show some respect for the intelligence of the American Electorate. There is no need for an "investigation" of a public visit covered by Press who are there, with Pelosi, to Syria. So please don't talk about the Post and their "crack investigation team", or any other so called news Paper. Lets not go there. The days of Watergate are LONG gone. However, I would love to see an "investigation" of the connection between the Press and this Administration. And so lets get back on point: Pelosi visiting the most flammable area of the World as Speaker of the House is simply doing her JOB. Why is the Press not doing THEIR job? And why do we fall for it like a dog playing tug with their owner while the vet gives him a shot? We are in this terrible position for one reason only: The Press and the Electorate did NOT do their job of due diligence. Now lets get on with cleaning house and ignore stupid reporting. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114184Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114184Ryan, MichiganBob - I see your concerns. To be honest I'm not sure how to respond. If I were you I would either be seeking the complete cut-off of funding for Iraq so that our soldiers can come home as quickly as possible or try and impeach the President. I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, please correct me if I'm not, but during the Clinton administration I believe many Republican's expressed concern with his dealings with North Korea and China but I don't believe that anyone in any kind of high ranking position tried to upend the policy by going directly to North Korea or China and issuing a different policy. Or I can't remeber any Democrats trying to engage in an alternative foreign policy during Vietnam during the Nixon administration. Again, I can't be sure, but that is what I can recall.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114188Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:48:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114188Mudhole Mom, CACheney and the Bush Administration are so afraid Pelosi might actually achieve some good with her diplomatic visits to the middle eastern countries. Remember that word...diplomacy...it works better than threats and bullying. Cheney keeps trying to convince the public that Iraq's leader had something to do with 9/11. He just doesn't get it does he? The public is not stupid on this score and Cheney just keeps making a fool of himself. What idiocy!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114190Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:50:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114190Ryan, MichiganLisa - thanks for your post. The reference was to a quote from Foreign Affairs Chairman Tom Lantos. When he was asked about what was the purpose for Speaker Pelosi's trip to Syria, he replied "...We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy. I view my job as beginning with restoring overseas credibility and respect for the United States." To be honest, I guess only a few people actually know what was said by Speaker Pelosi but that is what Rep. Lantos said. Also you can reference the WaPo story about the reason why we as a country can't have multiple foreign policies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402306_pf.html Thanks again for the good discussion.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114213Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:05:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114213M. BoleyMemo to Ryan ne: Personal attacks have only one purpose - to demonstrate either your argument has no merit or that you have no argument in the first place. Thank you and drive safely.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114215Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:09:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114215Bob, OrlandoRyan, if I'm not mistaken the main issue of George McGovern's 1972 candidacy was to bring home the troops from Vietnam. I'm not sure that is an example of alternative foreign policy any more than bringing home the trops from Iraq, but I feel it was the best policy at the time. As for Iraq, I wish it were as simple as just withdrawing but I am afraid that we have created such a mess that no matter what we do many innocent people will loose theier lives. There is no good option and I honestly don't know what policy we should follow. I lean toward getting the h*ll out as I'm sure eventually that is just what we will do, regardless of who is our president. As for the N. Korea & China issue, I am not informed enough to answer that part of you question. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114216Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:10:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114216Mark ThiemeSuzie Atlanta: Your post reminds me of what attracted me to First Read initially. We have always had left and right in this country, a variance of opinion. However, not since the "yellow journalism" of the Hearst "newspapers" and "Remember the Maine!" has the press been so sold out to corporate interests, so sold out to mindless jingoism, fear, and blarney. From left to right. We have lost the press. Nonetheless, in spite of ugly moments in media like charlatan David Gregory breaking and strutting as back-up for "MC Rove" while America's finest bleed for Halliburton and "freedom," and while Iraq under surge implodes, the American people have figured it out on their own. Despite Rush and his more genteel counterparts, the people are abandoning the the bull and demanding a return to sanity, honor, and a morality that doesn't smell like Falwell. Thanks for the fresh air!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114217Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:11:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114217jim linnRice is going to Syria. Stae department must be afraid that the separate of equal branch of goverment is going to try for peace rather than war. What is one positive thing this administration has done?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114226Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:22:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114226Kathy C Pompano Beach FloridaNancy Pelosi should be tried and convicted for Treason, What she did was a crime. she did not have the permission of the United States to engage our enemys. Get a prosecuter and try her!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114232Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:31:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114232Dave, TnWhat I'm wondering is will any deal Pelosi cuts with Syria in the name of California still count once the residents of California vote to join Mexico? Does Pelosi know that Mexico doesn't allow non Mexicans to hold a job, or own property? The upside is Mexico will drill for oil of the coast...............................Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best... And...always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the light side of life... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114236Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:34:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114236Charles the Few, Happy Easter FolksJTB, Usually when one has a "war" one has specific enemies to fight. Calling this a war would be the same as calling the implementation of the Marshall Plan a war. It's an Occupation, check the OED if all these big words and distinctions are beginning to gum you up. BTW, as a follow-up, if we're really at war, then why has our war-time president taken 405 days off in 6 years, blowing Reagan's 8 year record already?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114239Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:36:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114239DesmondBill Richardson is going to North Kores because the North Koreans invited him.He is going with a bi-partisan delagation to recover remains. He has been involved in North Korean dialogue within the Clinton administration and Bush 41 and 43.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114240Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:36:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114240Jane, Southern MississippiDarren, you say the republicans who accompanied Pelosi to Syria were just trying to save their butts, well what about the republican delegation who went the week BEFORE Pelosi went? What were they doing? But I forget that you live in the Land of Deception, like King George and his loyal "bushies." So to you the republicans who went to Syria the week before Pelosi went really never went. Republcan mantra: Say it isn't so.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114249Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:41:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114249Mary, Eugene, ORI have just recently begun reading this site. Many things are said that I agree with and many that I don't. Ryan NE, what makes you think that only Christians have any morals. I have a nephew who is an atheist but is one of the most moral people I know. I believe in God and resent people acting like I don't because I don't believe as they do. One does not have to be a Christian to believe that everyone should be treated with dignity and respect--even though we may not agree with them or their lifestyle. I resent anyone telling me that I have to live my life like they live theirs. Sorry for the rant but this issue does push my buttons.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114251Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:41:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114251Steve, San DiegoAmen Suzie from Atlanta. I am so tired of hearing about the liberal media, when news has been run by Limbaugh et al for years. CBS...scared off, ABC...a Fox wannabe, NBC...could not get up the GOP backside any further until last NOV, CNN & FOX...enogh said. WHAT LIBERAL media??? What is more important than any of the issues of the day is this, can this country survive until JAN 19, 2009?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114254Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:47:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114254Gene Lakewood Ca.God, give us strength to endure until the next election. Watch over Mr. Bush and his team, and stear them away from the past. Neutralize there acts of rightiousness, and protect their countrymen from their mismanagement, distortions, and graft. Let the rest of the world know that we will be back in all our glory.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114264Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:51:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114264Thomas Beckley, Boulder , ColoradoWhy is the right-wing-nuts so upset with Nancy Pelosi in Syria, and not mentioing the three Republican Congressmen who were there the week before....it is another hyped up smoke screen for their lies and incompetence....and there is old Cheney dusting off the Saddam- Al Quida link while the Pentagon tells the truth...does anyone even listen to this nut baghttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114289Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:10:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114289DesmondDave tn, heard about those british hostages? Heard about an ambassodor captured In Irag , let go? Heard about those other Irianin diplomats captured by the U.S. in a Diplomatic Embassay in the Kurdish region of Iraq, which they condemned? Ah yes, the Foriegn Ministry of Iraq is now loking into that.Seen that news. I have. In print.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114290Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:10:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114290Robert Catalano, Salem, ORDarren, we all know there are no absolute TRUTHS and the truth is always relative to the person telling it. It used to be an absolute truth that the world was flat and except for a few people (like Sen Imhofe from Oklahoma) time and science has proven this truth to be false. Christians believe in their version of the truth and Moslems believe in thiers. Which is true? Probably neither because the existence of God or Allah is based purely on faith and while there may be a plethora of anecdotal evidence, there is no physical evidence to prove it. So, most people's idea of any truth is based on thier opinion or their personal summation of the facts they choose to listen to. By it's very nature, this kind of truth can never be absolute unless the person telling it is always right. So, Darren, believe in your truth but let me believe in mine. I know my truth is just my opinion and, while I may hold it close to my heart, even I know I can't always be right. I will say one thing in your favor, however, your opinions, by and large, are obviouly your own and arrived at with some consideration and thought toward the issue you are expounding. But, truth based on faith and reason doen't always make something true.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114293Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:11:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114293jtbYou know, right or left, objective or passionately subjective, this is GREAT political discourse. You guys who are Christians, have a safe Easter: those who are Jewish, have a safe rest of Passover, and those of you who are IslamoFASCISTS............. FOOLED YA! Those of you who are Muslim, praise be to Allah. Those of you who are Atheists, Deists, or Agnostics...well, may your spirit guide you. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114294Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:12:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114294Mark ThiemeSteve SD and Suzie ATL: double amenhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114300Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:16:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114300PeepsThomas in Boulder . . . put the bong down for a sec, dude. Here's the difference: last week's trip to Syria was "sanctioned", if you will, by the President/State Department. In other words, they were there officially representing the U.S. government. Grandma wasn't.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114313Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:24:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114313Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaUnnamed sources claim that Giuliani's dressmaker (Fashions de La Bronx), UPS'd seven knockoffs of his 'Little Red Dress' to Damascus, where they were distributed to the Republican entourage, touring Syria. They are expected to wear them during meetings with Assad, in response to Nancy Pelosi wearing a dress during her meeting. -Independent Party News Servicehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114318Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:27:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114318Darren Pope, MB, SCJane, I meant to convey that I felt all of the Republicansd who went this week, and last, were doing so for that reason. My opinion, I could be wrong.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114348Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:39:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114348Florida FoxIt is not Pelosi's "job" to meddle in foreign affairs. She misrepresented Israel while in Syria and had that situation all in an uproar again or still. She will do herself in inevitably. Only purpose for her is mouthpiece for the real hard line leftists in Congress. When they are tired of her, she will be gone.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114356Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:43:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114356Darren Pope, MB, SCWere you reffering to yourself, or Cheney?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114377Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:58:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114377Jim Hassinger, Glendale, CALet me agree with the fact that this is a typical, politically-motivated slime attack, and that Rep. Wolf, (R), and Darrel Issa (R-CA) have also visited Syria, but they don't get this extreme condemnation, do they? However, it's not surprising that Rush Limbaugh or Bill O, or any of the right-wing zealots take up this cry, but that CNN and the Washington Post have also been lead into this delusional attack. Fred Hiatt at the Post is a committed loony, it's true; and CNN has generally gone along with the "shark-attack-lite" version of the whole thing. Write your media outlet. Tell them you see what they're doing, and pull the plug on them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114378Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:59:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114378Lisa, Fort Worth TXThanks, Ryan I'll check it out. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114382Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:02:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114382Andy G, Austin, TXRyan, Bill Clinton was President in 1997 and Newt Gingrich went to China and threatened them with a military response. Since you not yet have proven yourself to be a hypocrite on this issue can you confirm or deny whether that was the wrong thing for him to do or not? Is everything REALLY okay if you're a Republican?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114391Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:13:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114391Still Crazy After All These Years"As I was walkin'- I saw I sign there And that sign said -no tress passin' But on the other side...it didn't say nothin' Now that side was made for you and me!"-This Land Is Your Land-Woody Guthriehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114401Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:26:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114401M - In TexasI've known for a long time that Cheney was a bit out there - and my view of his credibility is zero (maybe a negative number if that's possibility?). But at this point, it goes beyond credibility to the point that I seriously have to question his mental health. Perhaps some form of dementia is setting in? I don't ask this as a means of insulting him, but seriously, he continues to assert such definitive statements even when they have been proven by multiple credible sources (even within his own branch of his own administration) as patently false. So, seriously, is he just delusional or what?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114406Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:30:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114406M - In TexasWhat if the real conspiracy is to make everyone believe that the media is biased so they (the right-wingers who keep spouting this ridiculous liberal media conspiracy theory) can be the exclusive brokers of the "truth" - a.k.a. their own spin? Of course, if anyone challenges them on the truth, they just claim executive privilege. Scary stuff. Truly scary.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114408Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:31:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114408Scott, Mo.Did you notice how she was welcomed? With a worm smile and a hand shake. Bush would have been welcomed with a "Mark 12 Bashing Tool. Good job Nancy Pelosi. If Rice would do her job You wouldn't have to go.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114409Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:32:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114409Ryan NeMary I never stated that you had to be christian to be a good person.. I was stating my faith because those are my beliefs and I apologize if thats the way that you percieved it.. I do however believe that liberals are waging war on christians in this country, I dont think that is right by any means. So I hope that clears that up, all have a happy easter and god bless.....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114411Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:33:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114411M - In TexasU@ - RE your post at 11:49 am regarding the hypocracy of Pat Buchanan et al - awesome post.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114422Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:47:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114422Darren Pope, MB, SC"I saw clips of Pelosi in Syria. She looked great! Feminine and self assured, gracious and confident. I was so proud of her!" Well, then that changes everything. I never looked at it that way. More femininity is what's needed to get through to these guys. Unfortunately, knowing how little regard extremist Muslims have for feminism or for women in general, I'm sure Assad and his people were rolling in the floor horse-laughing after Pelosi left. Self-assured? Gracious? Confident? How about...Arrogant. Self-important. Clueless. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114428Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:50:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114428Darren Pope, MB, SCI seriously doubt Sadaam had any ties to Al-Quida either. I do believe however, that the likelyhood is great that he had ties to Al-Qaeda. They are the more dangerous of the two from what I hear.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114429Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:50:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114429Cathy, MIMary, Ryan NE is one of those typcial 'christians' that are if you don't go to church & give 10% of your income then you're not Christian, then go out & f the next door neighbors wife while his is at church. He's one that thinks if you're a Democrat you're not Christian that's not true, Ryan,ne you can be a Democrat & be Christian cause I know I am. I am not a hypocrite Christian GOP member like you & the loyal Bushies. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114440Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:58:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114440Bill, Atlanta, GAI watched Fox last night (it is like self flagellation, it feels so good when you stop). Sean and Ann Coulter were beside themselves over Pelosi. I thought Ann would wet herself. Even after supposed liberal Colmes told her that there were Republican congresspeople over there, she still reiterated that the prez did not want them there. She said that it was feeding into the hands of the terrorists. These people (Ann, Sean, etc) need to be placed in dueling Hummers so they can crash into each other with full tanks.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114441Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:59:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114441bobf Great message, Mary from Eugene. I really hate it when christians try to think of themselves as better then everyone else. I am a full blood catholic. But, I would never ever think of forcing my religion on other people. I would never ever let religion control me either. Religion is a guide book that one can or can not buy or use. To blindly follow religion makes that person as dangerous as the terrorist we attack today. Religious freaks do not need any facts. They can make stuff up as they go: KNOW WHY, they own god. Since god is backing them, there is nothing in the world they will not do for their god. W says that god was the one that told him to start this war. So W just keeps making stuff up to continue the war because he is on a mission from god. Wait do you think W watched the Blues Brothers movie one to many times. Take suicide bombers, they gladly die to meet their god. The religious freaks that shot abortion doctors. What is the difference between them and the sniper on the roof in Iraq that just shot your freind. They both did it in the name of god. You religious freaks go home and pray in the closet like JESUS said. Maybe, I can again have respect of single issue voters. NOT!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114469Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:17:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114469Lee in MV"I do believe however, that the likelyhood is great that he had ties to Al-Qaeda. " You and Cheney. No thinking, rational or informed person, though.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114470Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:18:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114470Sam Gomsi, Santa ana, CANancy Pelosi is a disgrace. She clearly does not understand the Middle East customs and politics. What was she doing over in Syria wearing a scarf on her head trying to show deference to Syria's despot? For the third highest ranking figure in American Politics, her gesture demonstrated her willingness to genuflect to the despot Assad and to say anything that would elevate her stature to demonstrate to the world that she was important. Never mind that she had to lie to Assad about Israel's desire to start peace talks. The Israeli government would not have any of it and quickly informed the world that Pelosi is, indeed a liar. That is part in parcel with the Democratic play book, say anything and see if anyone realizes that they have been lied to. Well, Nancy has been caught in a big one and she has no to blame except herself.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114483Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:26:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114483Kate, OzarksJust an FYI on the representatives that went to Syria last week, before Pelosi made her's - they were asked to NOT make the trip by the White House. It's mentioned in the oped piece in USA Today that trashes Pelosi's trip.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114504Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:45:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114504Darren Pope, MB, SC"Everyday is exactly the same. There is no loss here, and there is no gain. - Nine Inch Nailshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114505Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:46:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114505Darren Pope, MB, SCThank you Robert. I didn't think you noticed. sirLikewise, I'm sure. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114511Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:53:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114511Mark ThiemeCarefully treading through the blog this afternoon, avoiding the occasional patches of squat, delighted to find great posts all over the board, I accidentally stepped in this odd self-confession from an even odder source, "Self-assured? Gracious? Confident? How about...Arrogant. Self-important. Clueless." Didn't read the rest, but was impressed by the sudden burst of humility. You never know what gems of wisdom may be discovered, even among the droppings.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114512Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:53:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114512Mark ThiemeCarefully treading through the blog this afternoon, avoiding the occasional patches of squat, delighted to find great posts all over the board, I accidentally stepped in this odd self-confession from an even odder source, "Self-assured? Gracious? Confident? How about...Arrogant. Self-important. Clueless." Didn't read the rest, but was impressed by the sudden burst of humility. You never know what gems of wisdom may be discovered, even among the droppings.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114517Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114517John Doe, The Peanut GalleryWow, the professional victims are really out in force today. The fact is, if Pelosi was anything that she has been called on this blog today, then so are each and every GOP Congressperson who went before her or with her. But you won't hear any critisms for the GOP because that doesn't jive with the party line story. Do any of the people on the right here realize how incredibly hysterical they sound?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114518Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:59:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114518Dave, Sun City, AZThe enemy of my enemy is my friend. Unknown "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer." Vito Corleonehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114555Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:42:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114555Stil Crazy After All These Years"In the squares of of the city-in the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office-I see my people And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin' If this land's still made for you and me."-This Land Is Your Land-Woody Guthriehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114557Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:47:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114557Still Crazy After All These YearsMark Murray, I saw the stanza for this land , didn't see my second post, had to repeat it again.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114582Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:29:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114582Ken, Seattle WAPELOSI FOR PRESIDENT! 2007!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114588Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:39:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114588Ricardo in California "I do however believe that liberals are waging war on christians in this country, I dont think that is right by any means" Ryan in Nebraska has got be kidding. Clearly god will punish him for breaking the 9th Commandmant. If there is a war between right wing christians and liberals ... it was started by the far right ..starting with George W. Bush ... Have a great Easter Ryan .... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114614Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:34:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114614M.E."Signs, signs, everywhere signs"-(Tesla)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114770Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:08:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114770John Jenkin, Seattle, Wash."Tell me, I ' ll forget. Show me, I may remember, but involve me and I ' ll understand. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114819Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:37:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114819Rick, GermanyYes "Mark" even in your droppings. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114844Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:15:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114844Utahreb, Veyo, UTA delegation of Rebulicans went to Syria on March 1 - have they been chastised? Guess that was okay, since they had the blessing of King George.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114861Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:57:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114861Darren Pope, MB, SCHumility is a quality you need not fear Mark. There is no danger of anyone mistaking you for someone who thinks anything but the most of himself.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#114961Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:08:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:114961Glen in IndyPELOSI doesn't "understand the Middle East customs and politics" ??? PELOSI doesn't?? And I suppose weasel-boy does? Thanks, Sam- I needed a good one today.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115066Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:04:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115066Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaNixon went to China, who was supplying North Vietnam with weaponry, to pick up some Political Photo-Ops along side Mao. As well as fine tune his Nixonist/Maoist Concepts that, starting with Reagan and continuing with Dubya, have been laid on us, and still are, right now. I call it, "Americanization".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115207Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:40:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115207jerry/corpus christi texasI am shocked that Pelosi didn't fly on to Pakistan and meet with osama bin laden in his cave. What I find shocking is even the liberal media has finally come to it's senses and derided Pelosi for her stupid and totally taxpayer wasted trip to Syria. Flying to Israel and pissing them off did us no favors either, what was she thinking? Hats off to Nancy Pelosi, The Neville Chamberlin of out times! I'm shocked she didn't come home and announce there will be a peace accord with Al Quida. No wonder you can get good grass in San Francisco, she has apparently smkoed quite a bit of it. What's next, giving Nambla status in the goverment? What a loser this woman is, she will last two years as speaker.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115208Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:42:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115208jerry/corpus christi texasBill Clinton in the D.R.????? I hope he doesn't get caught with the viagra like Rush didhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115221Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:44:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115221tradamSorry to go against the Bush haters here, but Nancy Pelosi hasn't earned the adulation that liberal bigots at MSNBC lavish upon her. I've been a solid democrat most of my life; just plug in the "D" pull the lever and go. But these days, as I adjudicate who is "reporting" and who is "spinning" there is no room for doubt that media elitist are mostly Bush haters, and have been such, since he fairly and squarely beat Al Gore. I can mark the year 2000 as the point in time when I got off the liberal left koolaid. It is beyond shameful what you people are up to. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115274Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:02:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115274Amy B Portland. METraddam, I didn't used to hate Republicans. I voted for Olympia Snowe for the Senate, but I've come to regret that choice, since she and Collins always end up towing the Bush line, even against their better judgment. I didn't use to think Republicans were automatically venal, but this administration and the rubber stamp Congress' actions in support of him, changed my mind. I hate George Bush. Not the kind of hate like I wish he'd fall off his bike, but the kind of hate like I wish he'd be removed from office. The hate boils up from the feeling our country has really been damaged. I feel like Bush is President of the Republicans, not President of the United States. He has rewarded incompetent cronies and wealthy donors and installed loyal Bushies in judgeships and other offices were they will rule in favor of corporations, polluters, and Republican political interests, for years and years. Republicans seem to be the enemy of Democrats these days, of working people, people who are not evangelical Christians, people who value the constitution and who expect better of executives in the highest levels of government. The top people in the company I work for are ethical and effective leaders, or i wouldn't work there. Why should I expect less of the leaders in my government?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115303Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:48:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115303DesmondSteve Turner, I call it "The New World Order."http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115306Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:53:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115306beaverdambobtradam - Boy are you ever in a dream world when you say that shrub fairly and squarely beat Gore, sorry to shed some light into your closed mind, but it is a fact that Gore got more votes than shrub, and that the Supreme Court anointed this Creighton to the presidency. Ahh I know, it just dawned on me, you are a die hard republican that wants the rest of us to think that you were once a democrat, nice try red boy, but if you still support shrub after all the scandals and lies and missteps and incompetence, then thank you for handing the democrats a sweep of the white house and house and senate in 08, thank you thank you. This is now the worst administration in U.S. history, and they belong behind bars. Happy Easter dude.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115328Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:54:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115328Desmondtradam, DEMOCRACY USE IT OR LOSE IT_bumper sticker http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115366Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:43:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115366Gary Schear, Bozeman MontanaJerry/corpus Christi Texas--Well at least you agree that Bin laden is safe in his cafe in Pakistan where your stupid fool of a President allowed him to escape. If Pelosi's move helps free up our troops to go and fight the REAL enemy then it will have been worth it. If Afghanistan falls back into the hands of the Taliban then bushes record of loss will be as complete as our countries disgrace. As far as her longevity as speaker, that will last as long as the Republican parties sentence to the political wilderness. True Conservatives, although quiet about it, have ditched this dumbs**t along time ago. For the good of the country, someone Puulease break the kool-aid pitcher!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115540Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:18:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115540Bob. Lipsett Sr. North Attleboro, MA. 02760-4388Darren Pope MB SC You still don't get it. Cheney fleesed the Shi'ites in '91 and many of them died at the hands of Saddam Hussein. Then bravely he told the Shi'ites we would liberate them. Only he forgot that the Sunni (Arab) were once in control. How could al Sadar ever think he could believe Cheney/Bush administrastion. Also wasn't it the Saudi Arabian Nationals loyal to Osame Bin Laden that were involved in the Sept.11, 2001 World Trade Center Disastor. Cheney/Bush for their power grab of Middle East land for a permanent military base since they were forced out of Saudi soil. Cheney/Bush didn't count on another "Cinco de Mayo" that happened in 1862 in Mexico. All that was accomplished is that now there is a Shi'ite government that hates the Arab (Sunni) world, just where is Jordan, Eygpt, Saudia Arabia, Dubai, and the other nation stand to gain if we control Iraq? Lets face facts Darren Pope, we just allowed Iran to be the next door neighbor to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Don't strike a match until you know what you are striking it for, many people get killed or seriously burned playing with fire that they can't control http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115615Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:31:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115615Bob. Lipsett Sr. North Attleboro, MA. 02760-4388Darren Pope MB SC. 12,000 more troops to get ready for what? I smell a rat and its name is George W. Bush. Darren are you readty for "MARTIAL LAW" Every position in our top gevernment is manned by a Military oriented mind. Best thing Cheney/Bush has going for them is the Military to control the unruely United States Citizen. When they can't get their way legally they resort to "FEAR AND INTIMIDATION" Good luck to you for letting them sell out "America" By the way according to the labor dept they say the "AVERAGE WAGE" in the USA is $17.22/hr. I ask Elaine Choe, just where the "Hell" are those High Paying jobs. I didn't know that Wal-Mart paid their associates that much.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115644Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:38:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115644Roger H. WernerConsidering the propensity for Bush and company to lie about whatever suits them, it was entirely appropriate for Speak Pelosi to visit Syria and it would be appropriate for her to visit any nation she pleases. I note that the WHite House and the GOP doesn't have a problem with Republican Congressmen visitng Syria (the WHite House appears to have helped arrange their visit). Pelosi is third in line of presidential succession and she needs to have the facts more so than the Republicans who went to Syria with WHite House aid. Since Pelosi won't get facts from Bush she must get them directly.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115763Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:01:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115763Bob. Lipsett Sr. North Attleboro, MA. 02760-4388jerry/corpus cristi, texas Bill Clinton didn't need vigra in NK. All he needed was "Diploymacy" and cooperation to help them survive. Why do you think Bill Richardson is in NK now? They put together a plan that NK agreed to and followed until 'ole two-gun would show the world he was little-chief big talk. At least Clinton told them if they restarted their nuclear reactor, he would shut it down permanently, even though there was a cease fire,a Truce and mutual agreement not to invade NK. That is more than west of the Pecos sherrif purposed, all this could have been avoided by saying "NO HOSTILE INTENT" But Pangyounjong knew that Cheney would try to provoke war and that would break the Cease Fire Truce that existed since 1962. Look at what Novac had to say. "Had it not been for the food and oil agreement between the USA and NK, they would have one or possible two nuclean bombs" instead George W. cut off the supplies in 2002 and NK said that is the way you want to play, well we will restart our nuclear program and build twenty or thirty nuclear weapons and I dare you to do something about it. This was another of Bushs Blunders. How many times can one person be in charge of so many failed policies? '06 proved that at least some said enough of these "Scare and Fear" or "You Don't Support the Troops" crap tactics and everyone I know support our troops and most agree that this is another failed policy. Petreaus should have been command all this time since '03 while he was in Musul, as he knew what should have been done to bring peace to the Middle East, but I think it is too late for Petreaus to throw the "HAIL MARY PASS" that will bring this insanity to a end.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#115969Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:52:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:115969Frank "Grimey" Grimesbeaverdambob...I didn't know President Bush was a Creighton Blue Jay!? Most of my friends from the St. Louis area seemed to be Billikens or Salukis.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116030Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:55:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116030!?!AMY B Portlans "I saw clips of Pelosi in Syria. She looked great! Feminine and self assured, gracious and confident. I was so proud of her! And what a contrast to Bush's appearance at the G8 summit last year where he looked out of his league, grabbing the German Prime Minister, humiliating Tony Blair, etc. I think Pelosi makes a good stalking horse for Hillary. How great will '09 be when we have a new face representing us to the world!" LOL hahahahahahahaha! Nancy Pelosi Proud woman's lib leader wearing a burka the irony...LOL http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116067Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:49:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116067Amy B Portland, ME!?!: Well I enjoyed pulling your chain. The righty trolls excell at me all mad with their outrageious comment so I figured it was payback time. I had a lot of fun thinking up positive adjectives for our Nancy. Beats thinking up new ways to express my contempt for the Bushies. Hating Bush is getting bad for my health.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116105Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:20:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116105Amy B Portland, ME!?! Also, my new thing is saying "calm down" to the righties. They hate that! I got that line from Nancy. I'm on the search for other ways to astound you. But, to be serious for a moment, let me just point out, Protestant women wear scarves on their heads to visit the Pope. Lady Di looked particularly fetching in her lace head gear. This doesn't mean she approved of the Pope not doing enough to oppose the rise of Hitler.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116134Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:49:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116134Gary Schear, Bozeman, MontanaThe rights shrill noise is understandable when you consider the vast expanse of political wilderness that stretches before them after '08. We must remember (maybe even hope) that these Kool-aid sucking Neocon cheerleaders are probably not in the mainstream of the Republican party. I would love to be a fly on the wall of George Will's office as he considers what bush has done to conservatism. Goldwater where are you when we need you!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116156Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:09:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116156M - In TexasRoger Werner - great point from your post on Sun 9:38 PM - Given their track record of being WRONG on just about everything they've ever said (if not intentionally lying) I wouldn't trust them if they told me that roses are sometimes red. -- By the way, to the people running around chirping that the sky is falling because Nancy Pelosi went to Syria I have 2 things to say: 1) you guys really are afraid of her, huh? Or else you wouldn't be making such a huge deal about it. Methinks you protest too much!; and 2) Under Bush's leadership we have had horrendous results. I think virtually no matter what Pelosi said or did over there, she couldn't do any worse than Bush has.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116190Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:37:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116190Florida FoxAny American citizen, including members of Congress, may meet with foreign governments on fact finding missions. However, the Logan Act, passed in 1799, forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments under penalty of fines and up to three years in prison. The Supreme Court has stated: “Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.” I think Pelosi has stepped over the line when she tried to bring statements to Syria from Israel that were unauthorized. Sounds like an investigation is order.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116217Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:59:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116217Dave Miller, Miamisburg, OHNancy Pelosi is not a disgrace. She is Speaker of the House and, so far, is doing quite a good job. Was her trip to Syria problematic for Bush? Only because he made it so. He could have turned it into an "appreciate your help" moment and said, "let's have lunch so we can compare notes and see what you learned". That would have scored mucho political points for the Bushie and probably would have inched his approval rating upward a bit. But, this is George. Not exactly a skilled political operative. Thank God for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid both. They're doing their jobs admirably.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116484Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:40:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116484!?!Nothing Bush does will ever be good enough. Remember no child left behind? all of the bills (Democratic he could have vetoed but didn't) to date he's vetoed only one billl. Working with the Democrats has gotton Bush what? He's been called every name in the book. I could go on but don't have the energy or time. Pelosi almost single handledly isnighted a war with Isreal and Syria by mistating what the one side said about the other. Maybe she's on to something we should send her over to the middle east so she can get everyone fighting against each other instead of hating us. LOL http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116631Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:37:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116631Desmondbush did not veto bills because he had a Ruplican controlled congress until January 2007.So, by my count, he has only been "working with the Democrats" for about 4 months.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/06/113857.aspx#116798Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:22:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:116798rodney, lake charles, laWell, once again I'll post last, and end this line. In absense of true leadership, even the most desperate of people will turn to someone with the brass to try leading, even if it is a woman. And I wonder just how well off jtb and seano and all the rest really are after they've had their political way for 6-8 years. Could it be that some of that angst comes from the fact that they are stuck indoors, with nothing else to do but vent their rage against those who oppose tryants trying to save the world from tryanny? Me? Sure, I'm here cuz after decades of repugnican corporate suck-a**ing, which has destroyed every middle class person I've ever known, I've got no money to do anything else but listen to their drivel. So tell me guys, just how great has this bush crowd been to you, just what have they gotten for you that you couldn't get for yourself that makes you so loyal to them that you spew such hate to the opposition?