McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Oscar, Rio Vista CA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:12:36 GMT

Old Man Yells at Cloud. This guy is nuts.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Drowning in McMorons — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:13:37 GMT

HAHA.

Next week we'll hear

McCaine: This is what I was trying to say along. Obama took my idea.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

MR — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:13:46 GMT

IS IT ME OR IS THIS LITTLE DUDE TURNING OUT TO BE REALLY UNSTABLE?

HE CHANGES HIS MIND SO MUCH THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE EVEN STANDS FOR ANYMORE.

IMAGINE HIM AT 3 A.M., GETTING THE CALL...IT BRING SHIVERS UP AND DOWN MY SPINE!!

HOW CAN ANY RATIONAL INDEPEDENT, LIKE MYSELF, VOTE FOR THIS LITTLE SCARY MAN...

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Carol, Long Valley NJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:14:06 GMT

Did anyone check the temperature of h--l today? I think it froze over.

Obama 08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

pedestrian — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:17:05 GMT

He has completely reversed himself. Now he has to call himself a traitor.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ira, Freehold, NJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:17:29 GMT

We have just witnessed the mother of all flip-flops. Now McCain says 16 months is a good timetable. No more 50 or 100 years. No more 2013, the end of his first term. No more we can't leave it would be treasonous or there would be sectarian suicide. All that is now in the past.

John McCain is endorsing the Obama position on Iraq. The man has no shame, honor or character. He is void of principles. After this flip-flop it is clear that he will do or say anything to win. Anything.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:18:20 GMT

McCain chose to lose the war in Afghanistan when he voted for the war in Iraq.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ira, Freehold, NJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:18:22 GMT

Sounds just like Bush to me, but you probably only hear what Olberman let's through the filter.
Dave, Tn (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008 4:04 PM)
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Let’s review. Bush called Iran part of the ‘Axis of Evil” and vowed never to negotiate with them. He wanted to bomb the Iranian nuclear refining facilities or have the Israeli’s do it for us. Not once did he ever call for talks with the Iranians to engage them in a discussion of differences. Not until Obama suggested it and was called “naïve”. Now we have a contingent from the State Department in Iran doing exactly what Obama suggested.

…and you said that Obama’s statements today sounded like Bush to you?

I must be losing my cognitive senses. Just plain simple unfiltered, unadulterated facts.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ted, Kalamazoo MI — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:19:06 GMT

So....agreeing with Obama again? Cause that's basically what Obama has been saying CONSTANTLY.

Why should McCain even run when he just parrots other people's ideas?

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

DV, CA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:19:28 GMT

The only condition that matters is if Iraq wants us out or not! That's it...nothing more matters. The longer we stay unwanted, the more violent it gets. All occupying forces throughout history as been defeats and pushed out. For a military man McCain knows absolutely nothing about military history. Perhaps if he paid attention in class and didnt gradaute in the botton 10% of his class.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ira, Freehold, NJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:19:41 GMT

If you mean by liberals, those people who fight when their rights and freedoms are infringed upon - Ira Freehold NJ

You mean like the right to choose to school other then the public ones? You mean the right to own a gun? You mean the Fairness Doctrine? You mean taxing people to death? Those rights? Those freedoms? Don't see too man libs fighting for those rights and freedoms.

As usual - libs are full of it, and themselves.
Heather Downs, Detroit MI (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008 2:26 PM)
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1) “You mean like the right to choose to school other then the public ones”?

There is a separation of church and state in this country as delineated by the Constitution. Our tax dollars go towards public school education. That is an education that every single American can receive at no charge. Free. Private or religious school education is a choice you make. It is not a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

2) “You mean the right to own a gun”?

It is an absolute right, now guaranteed by the Supreme Court. Second Amendment. It was in all the newspapers.

3) “You mean taxing people to death”?

Again, the right for the government to tax Americans is mandated by an Amendment to the Constitution. If you don’t like being taxed to death, then I suggest you look at the candidates’ tax proposals and you will find that Obama has proposed a middle-class tax cut while McCain intends to keep the Bush tax cuts permanent benefiting those that make over $250,000 a year. Don’t want to be taxed to death, vote Obama.

Rights and freedoms as guaranteed by the laws of this country. Would fight to the death to preserve them. Personal privileges are things you pay for yourself in cash or by the way you vote!

Thanks for the question.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Kim W Virginia Beach VA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:20:41 GMT

What other ideas of Obama's will McCain try to steal? Not looking good for the old man..Not looking good at all

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Jay Jay - Informed Voter — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:22:43 GMT

omg! Those who lives in glass house should not throw stones.

McCain = Traitor!!!

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

maggiemae — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:25:00 GMT

Because he knows if he wins...
the neocon power will continue...
we will be lied to...
and Iraq would never dare speak out against the neocons. He knows the inside dirty deals made with Bush twistng Iraq's arm for BIG OIL! He, like BUSH believes our constitution "is a god dam^ piece of paper!!"
Here comes War with IRAN if this man makes it to the white house! We will stay in Iraq for YEARS!
The only thing he wants to talk about is WAR!! Have you ever wondered WHY?
Obama speaks of peace, building bridges with past allies, coming together again, for the United States to LEAD the world with our morals!!
McCain makes WAR...HIS ISSUE every day! He doesn't talk about the economy, education, social security.
He talks about siding with BIG OIL in the name of the people! He talks about TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.
HE talks about SURGE SURGE SURGE...WAR WAR WAR !!!
This man would be WORSE THAN BUSH if he makes it to President. His only fame is WAR, WAR, and WAR!

He voted AGAINST our own VERTERANS.
He voted against WOMENS RIGHTS every CHANGE HE GOT.
He has missed MORE SENATE VOTES THAN ANYONE, He is number ONE!
THIS is leadership qualities?
He is a WAR MONGORING, friend of LOBBYISTS, CORPORATIONS, and THE RICH!!
WAR
WAR
WAR!

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Donna, Albany NY — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:25:36 GMT

First I am sorry for the post in the wrong blog but I never seem to get posted.
Can we please get it straight that Obama was NOT in the Senate and never had a chance to vote to go to Iraq or not!! I am not a McCain supportor nor a war supportor but Obama was not there and did not get the info the reps were handed.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Susan, Bloomington, IN — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:27:31 GMT

Is McCain all there? This is what Obama has been saying all along--and that McCain has been blasting him for--!?! Why doesn't the media call McCain on his inconsistencies!?

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Benson — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:28:23 GMT

You wait until the third paragraph to mention the little detail that he says it will be based on ground conditions -- not a regardless of situation?

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

donna — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:28:47 GMT

Did anyone check the temperature of h--l today? I think it froze over.

Obama 08
Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008 6:14 PM)

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No, that wouldn't be us Carol. That would be the neocons; but you sure got off a good one!

By the way, where have you been? So nice to have you back. I was tickled when I saw your post earlier.

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CIH8U2 — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:29:45 GMT

What a McCheesy copy cat, taking other people's ideas, incompentent, loser, I'm so PO'd I can't think straight.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Leni,Michigan — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:30:47 GMT

OMG:From a hundred years to 16 months.McShrill is indeed losing it. " He won't,he won't,he won't", "Iknow him'I know him". Looks like he left you out of the loop John. Can someone please save this guy from himself and us. P.S Really no offense, but some of you need to get a room, the lovefest is getting a little sticky.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

JoAnn, Moundsville, WV — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:31:46 GMT

McShecky better watch out, they will be coming after him with a butterfly net. He is so full of himself. Did anyone see him laughing hysterically at his own jokes? He is missing his calling-to replace Conan on late night TV.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

BJ, CA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:32:24 GMT

Give me a "F"
Give me a "L"
Give me an "I"
Give me a "P"

Give me a "F"
Give me a "L"
Give me an "O"
Give me a "P"
WHAT's THAT SPELL....

FLIP FLOP.....with a "but I" attached...

This guy is unreal....presumptive nominee?
He's just embarrassed the United States Government again...to the world and all the people of Iraq..

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Gail, TN — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:36:25 GMT

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. By election day even John McCain will be voting for Obama.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Eric, Indiana — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:37:33 GMT

MCCAIN: 16 MONTHS A 'GOOD TIMETABLE'

I think this is one time Obama would agree with you! :-)

Obama/Biden '08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

naomi, pasadena, ca — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:37:42 GMT

about time. an obvious slow learner.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Lo In OR — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:39:08 GMT

McSayAnythingToWin is beyond belief..LOL..

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Paul, Riverside, CA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:41:23 GMT

DOH!

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Beth, TX — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:43:15 GMT

Obama probably wants to ask the soliders what it's like to serve their country, you know, honorably, unlike him.
Stu Tatts, St. Paul MN (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008 12:42 PM)

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Are you implying that military service is the only way to serve one's country? Obama has served in several positions that benefit society.

Besides, according to your logic, Bush hasn't served honorably either.

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The media loves mccain — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:44:25 GMT

Kelly O'Donnel should be fired! She just gave the most slanted, biased, unfair picture towards Senator Obama and pumping up the lying mccain. No wonder this idiot gets by with his incompetence! Truly amazing! I have no respect for her as a reporter at all anymore.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

rhoward, Elgin, SC — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:44:43 GMT

I must need to get my hearing check because I could have sworn I've heard Senator Obama say this very thing months ago.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Who's Sane — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:45:34 GMT

People now have to decide. Are Bush and McCain being sincere in finally agreeing with the American people's wishes on Iraq OR are they just saying whatever it takes for the Republicans to hold onto power because they are desperate?

Here is a clue. Look at their records of statements versus actions.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:48:07 GMT

I posted this on an earlier thread but didn't make the time limit. So here it is:

"When is the MSM going to get this right? The surge in troops would not have succeeded without the Sunni Awakening. The reason that violence has decreased in Iraq has four etiologies (not withstanding the fact that our troops have always fought well pre and post surge and that I have to agree with Gary Shear's acknowledgement of ‘So Ken's’ comment on the criminality of the entire effort):

1) The insurgency became co-opted by American money and diplomacy - point for Patreaus and company.

2) The Sunni made a pragmatic choice to use the Americans as their advocates in the Shia gov't. (of which they were otherwise being closed out), instead of using Al Qaeda as their military arm. Without the support of the Sunni chieftains, Al Qaeda was finished.

3) The Shia militia, both those of Al Sadr and the forces from Tehran, have decided (strategically) to keep their powder dry for now; they'll fight the Civil War later.

4) Mixed areas have been ethnically cleansed.

It's been a calamatous course of events and the eye of the hurricane is upon us. Truly, in retrospect this could have been predicted and would have been the outcome with or without a surge in troops. John McCain wants to lump all of these factors under the all encompassing term of 'surge' and that dog won't hunt (although the Republicans do have an uncanny talent of conflating unrelated facts in order to prove their point - masters of propaganda that they are - it's up to us to separate the wheat from the chafe.)

It burns my a** how John McCain is taking credit for a strategy that should not be viewed as the cause for this temporary stability, in an area that will remain unstable for years to come. In the long view, our continued presence as occupiers of a country involved in a civil war will win us no friends and gain us no security. John McCain should know better, as it sounds a hell of a lot like Viet Nam.

John McCain, you and your allies in the senate (including many Democrats, who shall not be named) got us involved in this nightmare. You are responsible for this mess and should be held accountable instead of being rewarded by election. The course of events that have led to the relative stability in Iraq, even if you wish to take credit for it, would only be a fix for the horrible chaos that you and your cronies created.

You characterization of this conflagration as a conflict with Islamofacism is so simplistic and so downright ignorant that it is easy to see how your leadership would lead us to an Orwellian state of endless war. You are more dangerous than GWB because you actually have convictions and they are so painfully misdirected.
Obama '08"

P.S. I am flippin' amazed at this statement from McCain. You know, most important to me is changing the mindset (as Obama has said) so that we get out of this conflict and never act so irresponsibly again. I sense the very beginning of a change in this mindset and this is gratifying. I want to live in America and not the Roman Empire.
Obama '08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Richard, Washington State — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:49:42 GMT

We'll be out when the conditions are right and the Iraquis ask us to leave. No one can promise that it will happen in 16 months. It might, it might not.

The surge was the key element leading to conditions that now give hope for such a "timetable". The same conditions would not have been accomplished by the Sunni alliance alone. The surge was also instrumental in creating the conditions under which the Shiites backed off and the militias neutralized.

Let's hope the trend continues. Right now, you've got the two major candidates and the sitting president pretty close to the same page.

And all because St. Barack ran for president.

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donna — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:52:31 GMT

Senator Obama,

You've got him! He flipped! Not because HE went on a fact finding mission, but because YOU went to Iraq, and showed Senator McCain for the incompetent that he is!

Believe me, team Obama is carefully recording, catagorizing, and sub-catagorizing all of McCain's gaffes, and flubs.

We have not seen the last of these blunders. They will be rolled out at the debates with precision by our Harvard Lawyer.

GO OBAMA GO!!!

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bsmith — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:57:52 GMT

What the heck? I thought that even talking about leaving Iraq was treasonous? I am confused.

McCain does change with the wind. No back bone. What a surrender monkey (I guess). I mean, he is entertaining the idea of someday leaving Iraq.
Doesn't that make him unpatriotic? This is so confusing. GOP - Greedy Old People

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:58:01 GMT

Ira, Ira, Ira:

There would be talks with the Iranians if they would meet our conditions for talks.

The Iranians diss the U.S. and they have dissed the EU, and in case you have been paying attention, there were some little comments from Iran lately that indicated that they are going to diss Obama,too.

Bush has never said anything other than "all options are on the table." It's you and other lame brains that make your own interpretations as to what that means that really distort the issues.

In the last two days Obama said that "all options are on the table" as regards Iran.

I happen to think that your cognitive senses are OK. You just need to apply them to a much longer attention span and a much bigger pool of information.

Do you bow, kneel, genuflect or prostrate yourself before your Obama shrine? Enquiring minds want to know.

Speaking of John Edwards:

Have a great weekend!

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Donna, Albany NY — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:03:46 GMT

Maybe Obama is getting a taste of what Hilliary went through with all the bad press. They don't have Hilliary to go after now so finally they go after Obama, but it does seem like the press loves him and really doesn't like McCain.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Kay P Tempe, AZ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:06:28 GMT

Thud! The sound of a McCain Flip....FLOP! brother, it is embarrassing to be from the same state.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:07:14 GMT

@MR... that's the intention. Muddy the waters until the American public cannot tell the truth from taters.

Here's how it works:
1. First deny the phenomenon, perhaps throwing in a few pieces of data that suggest the opposite (icebergs melting? but there’s more snow than ever at the poles! Scientists say x? Not these, who say y!).

2. Sort of admit the phenomenon, but deny that humans have anything to do with it.

3. Then, claim humans can do things that will clear up any bad consequences of the phenomena (ignore contradiction with #2, we WANT that! — the goal is to not be able to think clearly about our actions)

4. When people see that #3 admits the phenomenon, deny the phenomenon.

5. Repeat until the public will be more or less incapable of having anything proven to them rationally, and they give up thinking they should care about such proofs.

6. Enjoy rewards of a befuddled public (i.e. unfettered economic gain for corporate profiteers and unfettered power for those who should regulate them but won’t)

By the time the public figures it out, if they do, it's 7 1/2 years into an administration like the one we have now, 6 years into a war built on lies, and well into an economy that it is the tank because of folks like Phil Gramm and yes, Bill Clinton, with their deregulation and out-sourcing of the American Dream.

Open your eyes, America.

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Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:10:48 GMT

@Beth in Tx... per his logic, neither did Abraham Lincoln.

The media should bring the truth to the American public.

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

And America should wake up and smell the B$, because the day of reckoning is coming, one way or the other.

"You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today."

(both quotes by Abe)

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Kay P Tempe, AZ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:11:45 GMT

one more thought - McCain is saying that he confronted the Bush Administration earlier and told them that their strategy wasn't working, soooooo, what took nearly 5 years for them to take him for his word? Interesting how he likes to have his cake...and eat it too.

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idtt, laurel, md — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:17:26 GMT

Donna, he wasn't in the Senate, but he gave this speech on 2 Oct 2002:

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Donna, Albany NY — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:26:42 GMT

I knew he was against the war and I was also, it is just I keep reading posts from some stating how Obama voted against the war when McCain voted for it. He wasn't there to vote. Thats all!

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Full Moon — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:28:47 GMT

Wolf Blitzer .... now there's another "unfair and biased" individual. (lib)

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:28:55 GMT

Actually
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

This was his 2nd trip to Iraq while a U.S. Senator.

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Al in LA, CA — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:29:58 GMT

Donna, Albany NY, if you're going to correct people, you should include all the facts.

1) Few were handed any information.
2) the few (like Hillary Clinton) who received the NIE didn't even read it. The few who read it did not vote for the war.

3) Obama stated his position during his election race. It was very unpopular to do so at that time, so he had a great deal of pressure on him not to take that stance. Many try to belittle his stance, but if you notice, other dem senators do not.

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Steve A Jonesboro IN — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:31:28 GMT

Man this bitter old man is NUTS!!

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LJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:32:06 GMT

McCain is saying it's a good timetable now, so he can say later on that at least he can admit he's wrong unlike Obama who still won't admit that McCain's surge worked. When will the MSM learn when they're being "played"?? Never, obviously!

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Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:39:33 GMT

Nevermind... with moderation, it's sometimes hard to read comments in the correct order. I see the point you were making Donna and the link's usefulness, idtt, laurel, thanks.

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Smick — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:48:14 GMT

MCCAIN: 16 MONTHS A 'GOOD TIMETABLE'
--------
WOW from 100 years to 16 months, which is exactly what Obama has been saying all along....

They call him FLIPPER, FLIPPER....

Old man needs a long rest....

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ira, Freehold, NJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:55:01 GMT

Ira, Ira, Ira:

There would be talks with the Iranians if they would meet our conditions for talks.

Richard, Washington State (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008
6:58 PM)
.............................................

...and it is with your first sentence you miss the point. "They must meet our conditions in order for talks to begin". That's a demand not diplomacy. That's not the basis of a debate it's a monologue.

Obama's intent is to engage the Iranians in talks, to discuss differences not exacerbate them. That's the difference between the two men.

By the way, Bush called Iran the "Axis of Evil". Fact

Bush said all options are on the table but meant it in the sense that we were willing to go to war over
the Iranian nuclear program. It was reported that we were feeding intel to the Israeli's so they could carry out the mission. Fact.

Bush called Obama an "appeaser" for suggesting talks wit Iran and then did the very thing he accused Obama of. Fact.

I think I pretty much have gotten the facts correct. My cognitive senses need not be expanded. May I respectfully suggest that you re-examine yours.

Have a good weekend.

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John — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:58:50 GMT

He won't. He won't. He won't. Because it has to be condition-based.

Those poor Iraqis think they can get rid of us without us taking their oil, they underestimated our incompetence!!!

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Rick, NC — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:02:24 GMT

mccain is a sad pathetic old man with his whining about obamas coverage and the fact that obama and the iraqis are on the same page but mccain-bush are on their war agenda still

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oxfdblue, NYC — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:10:18 GMT

Well, first Bush started taking pieces of Obama's foreign policy, why not McCain?

The popping sounds you hear are those of wingnut heads exploding.

Ah, so nice.

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Ken, Sterling, VA — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:11:37 GMT

Don't worry, Keith's got him on this. Good ol' Keith.

Nice try, Johnny Mac.

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Ted, Oregon — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:14:12 GMT

Richard, Richard, Richard. Just in case you haven't been paying attention, Bush has consistently refused to negotiate with Iran because they were part of his "axis of evil." Talks with any hope of success, which is the whole purpose, don't start with one side telling the other what they must do first. It is in the negotiations where skillful diplomacy wins the day, not the iron fist. I know, I know, this is just liberal nonsense to your cretin mind.

Obama's trip is so galling to you neocons because his intelligence, personality, and fresh message draws people and nations to him that McCain couldn't even dream of accomplishing. While he was speaking to 200,000 cheering Germans in Berlin (and at the same time restoring a bit of the lost American prestige squandered by seven years of Bush's non-diplomacy), McCain was busy discussing the sausage at Schmidt's Sausage Haus in Columbus, Ohio with a few customers. As one of our local Portland columnists, David Sarasohn, put it: "Message: Ich bin ein wiener?" A bit of a tired, tarnished, shrine that you kneel at...

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Brandon, Anchorage Alaska — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:26:21 GMT

So, there's a certain phrase that I keep hearing, from Senator Obama, from Senator McCain, from Senator Clinton back when she was still campaigning, and, originally, from President Bush, when asked to discuss timetables or, this new word, 'horizons'. And that phrase seems to always be some variation of "based on the conditions on the ground."

The politicians in Washington can talk as much as they want, but none of them are going to ignore the advice of General Petraeus and his people who are actually in Iraq. If conditions on the ground dictate a sixteen month withdrawal, then that's what will happen.

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Kent, Victora, BC — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:33:49 GMT

They agree then, after all the constructive converstaion. That setttle it. There is no other option. It' Obama/McCain 08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Brian M., San Diego, CA — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:34:17 GMT

He is beginning to remind me of Ross Perot more every day - retire already Senator, there is no need to embarrass yourself further.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

the realslimshady/ richmond, va. — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:38:44 GMT

Just in Mcsurge claims he's half black !!!

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

tr — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:00:06 GMT

Well does that mean that McSame wants to SURRENDER? How lame is this OLD MAN

Now is is ALSO following Obama's plan along with Maliki, Bush, PM Gordon.<P>

HILLARIOUS

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tr — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:03:06 GMT

Benson - Obama has ALWAYS said he would take into consideration the information on the ground

McCain is willing to SURRENDOR, what a traitor

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:17:23 GMT

Jake Robbennolt says vote for Obama.
Obama '08

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mkn — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:20:24 GMT

Anybody out there wondering why a 72 year old man has to go shopping with a woman in 2008 to know how much bread, cheese and milk cost?
You don't think THAT is a tad bit out of touch with America?
I think my dog knows how much that stuff costs.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

LSharpley, Spring Hill, FL — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:22:15 GMT

if anyone saw Senator McCain, on CNN tonight there has to be fear in their mind. How could someone who is so unqualified possibly become President of this great nation. It is not his age, but his unability to accept and understand the world we are now in. To say that "I can win wars, I know how to win wars, I have found in wars." Is this the type of person that we need to lead this nation. We are trying to get over such a person, and will we elect a carbon copy? Please America, lets wake up a vote in someone with the intellingence to lead not only this nation, but the world.

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Jim , Rockville MD — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:29:58 GMT

Is this a joke???? Can you folks imagine what the outcry would be if Obama flipped or flopped like this??

This election is about judgment, not experience. Elect Obama.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

AbuBakerSmith — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:31:48 GMT

Will the United States will soon withdraw from America when conditions on the ground get too rough? More people are killed in the streets of North America than in all of Islamic countries combined ncluding those slaughtered by the Crusader bush. Some of you are probably involved in or near a violent crime as you read this. America is so corrupt and all of you so reprobate that your society is unsalvagable, you will purge yourselves from your own land through your own debauchery corruption filth and the murder and disease you freely share among your vile compatriots. Those who survive will die of their own stupidity and ignorance. Your only hope if for Mr Obama to remove all the corrupt justices from the profitable court system and replace them with Muslim clerics to instill a true legal system to america which will bring justice back and remove the vile corruption from you.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Joe — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:35:01 GMT

Within a period of less than 2 weeks, McCain has completely reversed his position. He was completely opposed to any withdrawal. He talked about being in Iraq for a 100 years. Now, he is using the 16 month timetable that is, and consistently has been, Obama's position. And all Mark Murray has to say is that McCain's new position is "probably never would have said a week ago"?

It's a 100% reversal on one of the most critical issues in the campaign. So how about calling McCain out on it?

If Obama had made such an obvious and enourmous flip flop, you would make sure the public never heard the end of it.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

SANDRA — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:39:00 GMT

I AM NOT SURPRISE AT MCCAIN THIS OLD CRAZY MAN IS SICK I MEAN REALLY SICK IN THE HEAD. EVERY THING THAT OBAMA CAN COME UP WITH HE CLAIMS IT. OH MY GOD AND NO ONE CALLS HIM ON IT EXCEPT KEITH ON COUNTDOWN NOT CHUCK,OLD BOY ON HARDBALL OR NOT ONE OF THE CHICKEN HEADS ON MSNBS,CNN PLEASE FOXHOUNDS NO WAY . BUT MAN THEY ATTACK OBAMA LIKE HE SLEPT WITH THEIR MOTHERS.SOMETIMES I WISH HE WOULD TELL THEM TAKE A FLYING FART TO NOMANS LAND AND I AM BEING KIND TRUST ME.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

ERIC, MN — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:41:04 GMT

Richard, Washington State

Are you joking. The very first face to face talks we have had with Iran just happened about a week ago. Pres. Bush has been saying for years that we wouldnt meet with them until they met our demands. Well, if the whole point of meeting with Iran is to get them to stop enriching uranium, how can we say the only way we'll even sit down to talk is if they stop enriching uranium. Seems kinda backwards to me. Usually you sit down and talk, then set demands. Not set the demands before you even talk.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

lisa jones — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:47:17 GMT

For the first time in the last 8 years of my adult life i am proud to be an american AGAIN!!!!

GO OBAMA08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Jared, Tallahassee, FL — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:50:46 GMT

Either McCain is going to have a complete media breakdown in the next two weeks or he's going to continue to talk about the surge in front of every dairy display in America until election day. He could very well settle for both, but the debate about the surge--there is NO debate about the surge. The fact remains 60 percent of the country believe it was wrong to go to war and that same 60 percent support a timetable for withdrawal. Having said this, no one gives a crap about the surge; the majority of the American people simply want us to leave Iraq because based on the financial cost, the cost to our national security, prestige and standing in the world, and lastly the human cost of the war--well, sorry, Senator McCain but Iraq is not worth it. If only you presented a clear, cohesive vision for our country or a viable economic policy for that matter, perhaps you could still do well, but no: you're attacking Obama because you have nothing else to say. Shame on you.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Debbie in Phoenix — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:53:41 GMT

Let us all not forget that the supposed "foreign policy guru/expert" who called his competitor a LOSER has now adopted this so-called LOSER's stance on the war!!! O MMMMMMMMM GGGGGGGGG.
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But quick question.... why are the state polls in Minnesota, Michigan and Colorado slipping. Did the good citizens of those states undergo a McCain-ectomy brain fart or what? I know that the numbers are not back on Obama's oversees trip, and that the current numbers are from at least a week ago... but why isn't Obama mopping the floor with this bozo?? Michigan Minnesotas or Coloradans??? Would anyone like to explain what the heeeeeck?? I live in AZ and McNutty's numbers are slllllllippping.,, I am so so proud of us right now :-), but for you swing state voters.. call your friends, your relatives, harrass your neighbors, get out a register, get out and campaign... this is too too important to be caught sleeping at the wheel!!
God bless and good night.
Love from McNutty's AZ Obamaniac neighbor

ps: why is that everytime he comes home for a little getaway the Obama sign in my front yard disappears. I'm not pointing fingers, but still.... you'd think he'd have better things to do... :->

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ayla, LA — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:56:07 GMT

He has been saying what he said in this interview all along. He is basing his plan for Iraq on how conditions are on the ground. He has been saying that Obama was wrong for setting this timetable without talking and seeing how conditions are on the ground. In this interview he says if conditions on the ground okay a 16month timetable then we do it if not then we won't. The prime minister is saying the same thing. Y'all really need to pay more attention to what is being said, and not just jumping the gun!

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

lisa — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:01:46 GMT

Has anyone told this man that Vietnam is over?

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Truthpatriot — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:20:08 GMT

OK, let's see if the press is going to do its job. McMoron's incessant lying and distortion about Obama's commitment to this country and our troops should be confronted. Does he really think Obama would choose failure over success in foreign policy? Does he really believe that Obama would rather loose a war than a political campaign? If so, he is dumber than he is acting. It is time he is confronted with his outrageous and infantile behavior. Let's see if the media has been castrated.

PS: While he is slinging that BS he is also saying the 16 months is a "pretty good" time frame for withdrawal. Too much like Bush and we know where it is coming from...Rove's man is now in charge of McSame's campaign. Shame on you John.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Single Senior — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:30:22 GMT

Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY:

You characterization of this conflagration as a conflict with Islamofacism is so simplistic and so downright ignorant that it is easy to see how your leadership would lead us to an Orwellian state of endless war. You are more dangerous than GWB because you actually have convictions and they are so painfully misdirected.

P.S. I am flippin' amazed at this statement from McCain. You know, most important to me is changing the mindset (as Obama has said) so that we get out of this conflict and never act so irresponsibly again. I sense the very beginning of a change in this mindset and this is gratifying. I want to live in America and not the Roman Empire.

Bravo and spot on! Mcain's convictions; maybe not just misdirected, but the wrong ones to begin with.

Obama/Biden 08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Cherie Kansas City MO — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:41:40 GMT

You know I used to kind of at least be fond of McCain but recently I am becoming afaid. Is he really that out of touch?? He drew a line in the sand a bunch of times and this one was a doozie!! He totally agrees with Obama who by the way was right all along. He doesn't know where Afganastain/Iraq/Pakistan are. He doesn't know who Suni and Shia's are-what is next-he is old.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Obama all the way!!, Florida for Obama!!! — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:44:56 GMT

McCain camp: The American people are not dumb. We see how you have flip flopped!! We don't buy it!! We do see how you are trying to jump on the Obama band wagon......LOL. Give it up you don't belong in our band!!!!

OBAMA 08

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Anyone but Huckabee, CA — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:48:53 GMT

How many times does McCain have to say BASED ON CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND for you guys to get it? Sure, just take a tiny snippet of what he said and twist it to your own designs. Sheesh. Just goes to show that people who are partisan believe what they want to believe, no matter what. Blind followers.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

ChrisNBama — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:04:15 GMT

I find these comments amusing. Obama and McCain are saying the same thing about Iraq, but coming at it from different angles. Neither McCain or Obama want to stay in Iraq indefinitely (although McCain would like to keep permanent bases in the country, Obama would not), and both advocate "conditions based" withdrawal. So, McCain doesn't want to be there for 100 years, and Obama doesn't want to precipitously withdraw and ruin the gains that have been made. The REAL difference is that only Obama has been clear about his ideas on Iraq. McCain is just now moving to the center to meet Obama.

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

Ry — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:09:17 GMT

Haha, oh wow. Did John McCain just finally come to the reality that his George W. Bush position on troop commitments in Iraq isn't going to fly with anybody?

McCain: 16 months a 'good timetable'

mexed, san antonio, texas — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:17:15 GMT

Flip flop or just following the one he says has bad judgement. Sounds like he is endorsing the fact that Obama had the right judgement all along. Obama call for talks with Iran, was denounced and now the Administration is doing it. Obama calls for quick withdrawal, is denounced by McCain who is now following Obamas assessment. McCain is as dishonest a politician as we have seen. I don't listen to talk radio but it would be interesting to hear their bable on this one. Anyone who thinks that McCain is the "right stuff" should join Rush and take additional pain killers.