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Chuck, NY — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:30:54 GMT

Sudden thoughts and second thoughts

If McCain wins, will there be a new block on our tax forms “Do you want to donate all of your remaining income to big oil”…Yes…No?

If McCain wins, will big oil build enough new refineries to accommodate all of their new oil from offshore drilling, or will hell freeze over first?

If McCain wins, which will get fixed first; Alzheimer’s or the pothole on the rickety bridge in my neighborhood?

If McCain wins, will two consecutive negative campaign ads become a positive?

If McCain wins, will futures trading on the incontinent diapers market be allowed?

If McCain wins, will Dell Computers build a new line of presidential computers with no memory?

If McCain wins, will the new supper hour be the current early bird special time & the new early bird special time becomes the current lunch hour?

If McCain wins, what’s the higher number by Jan 19 2013; number of military deaths in Iraq or the number of pardons given to the W administration?

If McCain wins, what will have lower value by Jan 19, 2013; our reputation in the world or the GOP dog food brand?

I cannot sleep at night until I get these answers.

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Dan, New York, NY — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:32:50 GMT

Those strategists are right, the Obama campaign ISN'T hitting hard enough.

One easy way: start getting some surrogates to take one for the team and get out there slapping McCain!

More on this here:
http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/were-not-the-only-ones-who-worry/

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camie — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:34:32 GMT

they need to just get over it hillarys voice will be heard i mean she is speaking at the convention. these people need to get over her losing, this is politics not religion, its like a sport when you lose you lose and then try next time.

OMG, Photo of Edwards with Love Child, In HOTEL
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/omg-photo-of-edwards-with-love-child-in-hotel/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html

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Clara Kansas City, MO — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:35:37 GMT

Actually, I believe the polls recently show that about 18% of Hillocrats are not voting for Obama. Thats about 3.2million votes. Down from what we've been predicting. Or to coin our despicable Veep, "so,..."

I am sure we will pick up more independents without her. AND he won't have to constantly watch his back. No trust for Clinton's in the 90's or now.
(and I am not saying Bill wasn't a good president - he did great with the business of governing, just sucked with the character of it all)

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New Wave — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:39:57 GMT

Who cares what Clinton thinks? Consider covering what Romney thinks on the GOP side as well.

All these is to divert attention from McCain's continuous stumbling on the trail.

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BJ, CA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:40:56 GMT

She wants to lose by Obama twice...she's a loser.
Anyone calls that double or nothing....
Flipping the coin has been done. Why does a foul air begin to fester...
She says one thing then fans the flames of political seperation...
she must be smoking that cuban again....?
and believes she's been wronged again...
so take it out on the party Hillary?...
Howard Dean needs to take someone out to the wood shed....
the sooner the better...

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MIA in Miami — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:42:01 GMT

I knew she was up to no good. They better not do anything crazy at that convention because Obama has over +20 Mill "real" supporters.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:44:13 GMT

I have to assume that Chuck Todd’s assessment last night when he stated NH is a little reluctant to support Senator Obama because of Massachusetts’ first African American governor, Deval Patrick, has been a bit of a failure.

Well, let’s hope no one in NH casts a vote for president in November based on this. We should be looking at the Republican Party, not a MA governor.
But then Michael Dukakis wore a helmet, and for some reason that didn't qualify him to be President. So I really don't know what people think when they vote.

Michael Dukakis is just one more democrat, who like President Carter, has been ridiculed all these years. But Michael Dukakis is the last governor I can recall who actually enjoyed being our governor.

I think there are conservatives in this country who have a tendency to tie Michael Dukakis to the big dig. And if they do, it’s a false assumption. Governor Weld and Governor Cellucci, two Republicans, are just two, but the list is endless as to who is responsible. And they were all republicans and they all have ties to GWB. Every one of them. It was the republicans who were in office and looked the other way when the costs starting escalating. They didn’t want to hear about it.

Michael Dukakis gave the project a thumbs up but had nothing to do with the problems that ensued over the years. He wasn’t the guv'na.

But he was a good man. I used to talk to him all the time when he took the "T" to the State House. Very friendly and respectful to everyone who approached him. Not that that accounts for anything anymore.

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ujw, ny — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:44:36 GMT

Now, in plain sight, the Clintons are undermining the Obama candidacy. Anyone who believes they'd get a fair shake dealing with this despicable couple are just plain stupid!

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mend the wounds — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:47:17 GMT

Maybe, if Obama would make a very public apology for allowing his campaign staff to call Bill Clinton a racist, that would help.

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LB, Virginia — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:47:54 GMT

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Banko — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:48:44 GMT

The Clintons should just go away. Clinton, McCain and the Bushes are very corrupt and of the old. We want to move forward.

John McCain: Early Improprieties. Lobbyists, Lobbyists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-kOIs-W6E&eurl

McCains to Profit on Anheuser, InBev Deal
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/14/mccains-to-profit-on-anheuser-inbev-deal/

JOHN MCCAIN AND HIS FRIENDS IN ENRON BEHIND THE RISE OF GAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5zlM_xWvk&feature=PlayList&p=C60E3AC59DB5046B&index=29

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Clara Kansas City, MO — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:48:51 GMT

Chuck, NY - you are hysterical and those are very valid questions. Inquiring minds need to know. especially love the thought of a future's market on depends. that was funny stuff.

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MI Chick — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:49:00 GMT

Ummm...

I saw that YouTube clip of Hill on MJ this morning.

I think this another case of manufactured drama by the MSM. Viewing it without their commentary, I didn't see her encouraging a revolt or anything like that.

Bill comments - yeah, I got the message there. Hill's comments? Not so much.

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bill, okla — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:49:17 GMT

Silly Hillie would be a better president than McBlinky but so would Paris Hilton and Paris Hilton is cuter than the Pillsbury doughgirl but she's not as smart as Obama. So choose Obama for president and let's let Mrs. Clinton go back to NY asap.

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Lisa, NY — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:49:31 GMT

PLEASE stop posting the link about Edwards...who knows if it's even true! And believe it or not...any promotion at all will play against the DEMS. No doubt he will be asked to step aside and not speak at the convention now.

Edwards' message on getting our arms around poverty is what is important here!

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BJ, CA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:50:02 GMT

Has mythomania surfaced to the top again?
Are the med's changes caused this rash of seperation?
Or is this the, "feel sorry for me women because I have to put up with these bastard men all the time...
When will she learn it's Bill not all men...playing the disgruntled female only goes so far...Hillary.

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HillTopper, Little Rock — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:50:13 GMT

This thing isn't over until Hillary says it's over.

Go Hillary!!

Hillary/08/12

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Clara Kansas City, MO — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:50:57 GMT

LB, Virginia - Amen, Sister!

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MI Chick — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:53:24 GMT

OK - scratch what I said earlier. WOW! I should have read some of your posts before I wrote that.

I still stand by my first reaction, but maybe I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. This is going to get U-G-L-Y ugly.

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ge`pa — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:53:35 GMT

Like VP Dick Cheney said when asked by a reporter `what he had to say about the fact that the majority of the American people are against the war in Iraq, `Cheney said "SO?". `so I say so?, John Edwards cheated on his wife when she was very ill,-- So McCain cheated on his wife when she was very ill ALSO, So the Repubs have no room to talk. THAT'S WHAT THIS WORLD HAS COME TO; So what?

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Suzy M., Ohio — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:54:21 GMT

Maybe, if Obama would make a very public apology for allowing his campaign staff to call Bill Clinton a racist, that would help.

mend the wounds (Sent Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:47 AM)

Exactly! That man has had no respect for the Clintons. The Clintons made it possible for Obama to be where he's at today, but he's shown no respect at all for Bill and Hillary. And those trumped up racist charges by Obama really frosted my behind. Now Obama is trying to pull the same stunt on McCain, and the McCain campaign did the right thing by throwing it right back into Obamas face. That's what Hillary should have done, and if she did, we'd talking about if we would be letting Obama talk at the convention.

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Jasper Zeigler Jr - Montco , Pennsylvania — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:54:46 GMT

Oh ! forgiveness sake. Its time to see about the Olympic area of activity and go on pass insights and analysis of the Clinton dishearten setting.

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marty holloman,columbia,s.c. — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:55:02 GMT

Unlike my fellow Obama supporters, I give respect to the clintons. this drama makes me sick, Do they really want to lose again this year. She will never be President, no matter what they think, the republicans have been waiting for her and Bill for 7 1/2 years, the dirt they have is unbelivable. She cant
win now or in 2012. Just like she didnt understan how to run a campaign she doesnt understand most people
dont want her, they dont want Bill. Sick of the drama that goes with them. Count on them to disrupt the
convention, Obama wins anyway and thier legacy is mud.
Hilary the only ones who want you is a few old women
and the GOP, the GOP wants you bad.

Obama/Biden
another old white woman from s.c.

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thats a fact jack — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:55:46 GMT

did any poll ask if too much had been heard from mccant? cause I have not only heard enough garbage from him but way too much garbage from mccant.

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S. Williams — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:56:17 GMT

McCain's VP choices are doing a better job of attacking Obama than Obama's potentials are doing for him. We hear Romney and others out there skewering Obama. But, Obama's choices give him as much fighting power as Edwards gave Kerry--none.

I understand the positive tone the campaign wants to take, but that isn't feasible as something to be carried out until Election Day. The GOP and their nominees are notorious for doing a great job at character assassination. America had a great economy, etc., but decided to go for the inexperienced GWB over Gore. And, look how they believed the swiftboat crap about Kerry.

Many Americans will still fall for GOP tactics because their attacks are easily digestible and are usually memorable. They are relentless. Obama and his surrogates need to be tougher.

We don't even hear the DNC hitting back hard at the GOP as far as these character attacks on Obama go. I feel the DNC and Dem leadership (speaking of Pelosi/Reid) are letting our nominee be battered by the rival party.

We left Kerry to fend for himself against swiftboating, etc. We refuse to get our hands dirty in order to get the presidency. I'm waiting for some Chicago politics.

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Enough — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:56:56 GMT

Hillary who?

Time to give it up Hill your time has come and gone, accept it with grace and maturity. Your followers should grow up and do the same.

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Beth, Denton, TX — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:57:37 GMT

Since the media covers Obama more than McCain (and 70% of that Obama coverage is negative)and since McCain can't stop talking about Obama (mostly negative comments), it's not surprising that some people feel that they have heard too much about him. Maybe they're just tired of the negative "news"...

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the Pajama Pundit — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:58:19 GMT

This thing isn't over until Hillary says it's over.

Go Hillary!!

Hillary/08/12

HillTopper, Little Rock (Sent Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:50 AM)
****************************************************

Wow. I'm speechless. Oh, wait -- no I'm not.

Hillary already said it was over HillTopper. She said as much when she endorsed Barack Obama and 'suspended' her campaign. Don't you watch television?

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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andrei — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:58:36 GMT

http://cultura-civica.blogspot.com GO TRADE FOREX !!

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John, Royal Palm Beach, Fl. — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:59:10 GMT

Romney as VP gives McCain Nev. Colorado and puts Michigan in play(Obama would have to spend time and money there). Do the electoral college math people. McCain/Romney equals a Republican in the White House!

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RENEA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:00:18 GMT

To beat Mccain in a fair way all Obama has to do is show Mccain talking how he supports this or that and whip out Mccains voting record.The two do not match up!

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Carl Spies, Colorado — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:00:23 GMT

Of course Obama isn't tough enough. That is why Europe likes him so much. They know he'll be an easy push over.

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sg, michigan — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:00:24 GMT

"...Hillary telling her supporters that she wants a “strategy” to have her delegates heard at the convention. "

================================================

Oh, Hillary. Please. Let it go.

We all heard your appeal for many months during the primary. In fact, you ran your finances into the ground doing so.

Yes, you have many people who support you. Good for them. But there are many more supporting another candidate. The only way you can say you have more is by using slippery and dishonest math (i.e. Michigan, Florida and discounting all caucus votes).

This Democrat is tired of Clintons stretching (torturing) the truth to satisfy their lust for power. I'm tired of a two-dynasty presidency. The Clintons already lived in the white house for 8 years already. Isn't that enough for them? It was enough for me. And it was plenty of time to tarnish the Democrat brand.

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Lisa, NY — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:01:45 GMT

Hillary was the better candidate then and many of us knew it. She should have won but the MSM fell in love with Obama.

Now Obama is not looking as snappy and suddently you hear things like...maybe it should have been Hillary all along.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/hillarys_growing_shadow.html

Maybe she won't be the first female president this year, but she WILL be the first female president.

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Andrea, New York City — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:02:01 GMT

I guess the Clintons are bored again and need some media attention.

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Geoff Smith — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:02:07 GMT

It looks like Hillary is starting the 2012 campaign. Just shows that she was never in this for the best of the country...she and Bill are political animals and mostly concerned about their own power.

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justthinkinoutloud — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:02:51 GMT

Off topic, but I would like to thank MSNBC for putting Martin Savidge on the morning news, what a refreshing change from the ditzy female talking heads. Nothing against females, but I hope you know what I mean. I remember watching one of the female newscasters give us a handy dandy tip on how to stay cool in the summer, " stay in the shade and drink plenty of water" (this is where the palm of your hand smacks your forehead, and you say to yourself, why didn't I think of that)and all along I was planning to stay in the sun and deprive myself of water. I just get so tired of the blond newscasters who are only there for window trim, but don't have a clue.

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Gail, TN — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:03:39 GMT

Sen. Obama has always said that his is an improbable journey to the White House. No one, certainly not the Clintons, is going to make it easy for him. It is disappointing to see a couple that has done a lot of good for a lot of people come off as such sore losers.

Sen. Obama is plenty tough. It would take a will of steel not to go negative against everything John McCain has thrown at him. Ever heard the expression, "discretion is the better part of valor?" I don't think Sen. McCain, the "honor" candidate, has.

While Sen. Obama is taking a well-deserved vacation, let's see how Sen. McCain uses the week's news cycle to his advantage. My guess is he will be unable to generate any excitement or news of substance.

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Dottie Swarthmore PA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:04:36 GMT

Senator Clinton ran a terrible campaign. She was convinced that she would be the Democratic nominee and also that she would be President of the United States. Senator Clinton, you LOST, get over it and stop being a drama queen you sound like a spoiled child having a tantrum. As for your husband,keep him locked up in the attic.

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ToHell With Hillary — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:05:55 GMT

Great - more national coverage of obese Clinton supporters screaming and bawling like they have a severe heat rash for all the elastic holding up their pants!!! What a turn off!! Clinton made plenty of mistakes like cr*pping on my caucus vote for her as undemocratic and endorsing John McCain. Keep up the negative spewing, Clinton will never be president because it takes all of us and she's losing us big time.

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Robin — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:22 GMT

If the roles were reversed between Hillary and Obama...I am sure, given their personalities, Obama would not be so negative. I wonder what the impact will be if Hillary continues to be angry over her lose at the convention in relationship to "her" votes that did not count. You see Hillary knew that she had to keep her name on the ballot because she understood that this would be her last card to play if it came down to her lose. I do not know how this will benefit the democrats or shall I say how it will really play out for Obama? You know it's all adding up that Bill Clinton is still carrying this torch about him being a racist. Ask, what is his point? well, as the convention rolls around it will be in the mix somehow.

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Hana, Saline, MI — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:35 GMT

One gets the sense that Hillary's PUMAs are more interested in destroying the Democratic Party than in electing a Democratic president. With their wild conspiracy theories regarding Hillary losing the Democratic race and their rabid, almost cult-like following of Hillary Clinton, one wonders if any concept of rationality exists among PUMAs. They seem incapable of acknowledging the obvious. Hillary lost the Democratic race because she ran a poor campaign but, of course, PUMAs are looking for someone to blame rather than admitting their idol's campaign was a disaster from the beginning. The problem is they wanted Hillary anointed the moment she announced her intention to seek the presidency. They didn't want a campaign but a coronation instead.

PUMAs, get over it! SHE LOST!

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Bee, Manchester, NH — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:38 GMT

The emperor is dancing without cloths on...The DC chattering members are scratching their heads. I am glad Obama is not listening to these DC jokers, perhaps, I should call them losers.

The people in DC live in a bubble and I am glad Obama is not paying attention to them at all. Obama should stick to his game plan and ignore the whole punditry elites that are wrong 100% of the time.

As for Clintons, when are they going to realize that they don’t own the Democratic Party? Particularly, Red face Bill Clinton. They want Obama to help with the debt, yet, they unleashed their attack dogs on him. Bill Clinton could not even credit him for a great achievement, yet, he wants African Americans to respect him. Personally, I believe Obama is going to win this election with or without the Clintons. This family has been a disgrace to the whole Democratic Party.

As for Senator Old McLame or McBush, your antics is not going to cut it. I have been searching your websites for detail proposal on healthcare, Education and Energy but the papers lack specificity. I know your traditional allies in the media are protecting you right now, but for how long will that take? I even heard McCain is having Norman Tsu problems right now but will this get coverage on TV. Well, time will tell.

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GW, Vancoujver, Canada — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:41 GMT

The Clintons, the king and queen of ego dramas, Hillary should not be forgotten or forgiven for her nasty divisive campaign and that these two should real their egomaniacal heads is sad news. If for any reason Obama loses, the Clintons must not be rewarded in the future. And if they think the Republican attack machine would not have a field day with their baggage, they are deluded. And why do they think someone else should pay off their debt when Hillary mismanaged her campaign? The two big myths of this election years are Saints Hillary and Mc Cain.

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Donna in ID Post Falls, ID — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:08:06 GMT

I wonder if all those people that jumped ship from Hillery, so early, for the egotist Obama, are having 2nd thoughts. They would never admit it but circiling around in the back of their minds. I WONDER?????
No Dem no more no Obama
Sorry Hillery.

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feeling better in ne — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:08:37 GMT

LB - couldn't have said it any better!

The Clintons and the word deferential is an oxymoron.

Memory will assist - how did they act/interact/react with the DNC once in office?

Their actions over the decades within their own party says it all.

Why would anyone expect them to behave any other way now? They are Dems in name only. The party has never been their foremost concern. Only using the party as it suited their needs at the time is old news.

Explaining the lack of support of party insiders for Hillary from the beginning.

They are pit bulls. They don't do nuance.

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Diane from Illinois — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:08:43 GMT

If Hillary plans on "making history" at the convention and in any way disrupts the limelight on Obama, she can kiss ANY chances of a run in 2012 goodbye. This woman is something else. Neither her OR Bill (nor a few holdout supporters)can accept the fact that we didn't WANT them back in the White House, can they? She's like a bad penny that just keeps turning up over and over and over again.If her so called "strategy" in any way shape or form detracts from Obama accepting the nomination she will be toast in the Democratic party. She's already there in my book. I would NEVER vote for her for anything in the future.

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New Indi — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:11:49 GMT

Clinton won the votes of more registered Democrats than did Obama. She represents a majority of the Democratic party. Why shouldn't she continue her fight in pursuit of equal rights for all people? She has a strong voice and she intends to use it.....Good for her.

As for Bill Clinton.... People might remember that of the three, Obama, Hillary or Bill, only one has ever won the White House and done it twice. It seems to me that Obama should be calling Clinton and showing some respect.

It seems rather clear that Clinton is of the opinion that he has been the victim of a hatchet job by some in the Obama camp. Any objective observer understand the basis for his opinion. It might do well for Obama to make a clear statement on his personal belief that Clinton is not and never has been a racist and if anything, has been a strong advocate for the rights of all people throughout his career.

The agents of Obama have smeared Clinton for political gain. Unless he receives an apology I wouldn't blame Clinton if he never said another good word about Obama.

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adam/Brooklyn New York City — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:12:51 GMT

I agree that Obama isn't tough enough. Why isn't there a commercial or why isn't every surrogate of his talking about McCain's shift on offshore drilling and how it came shortly after a huge donation from big oil. Where is the Dem Noise machine?

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Andrea, New York City — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:25 GMT

Do you actually think that the media is not going to be in Hawaii stalking Obama on his vacation?

Don't be surprised when you hear about how many different bathing suits the Obamas have, what kind of entertainment they are experiencing, what movies they go to, if they are building big sand castles or small, what they are eating, how big their rooms are, which hotel, what they are spending, how many hours they sleep each night and how times Obama goes to the gym. The list will go on!

Let's face it—he is interesting and amazing and as Bill Clinton said: "As smart as a whip".

I like him! OBAMA 08

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Brendan D, Niles, IL — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:30 GMT

I have to say, I'm shocked that women are resorting to stereotypes regarding Sen. Clinton's loss in the primaries. Look, Sen. Clinton ran a bad campaign, and she still, savvy politician that she is, was able to compete with the person who became the nominee. She lost. So instead of whining about losing, should Clintonites be embracing it? Because frankly, if women are indeed to be "equal" to men, shouldn't they be able to lose just like men can?

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Jasper Zeigler Jr - Montco , Pennsylvania — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:56 GMT

New Wave & LB , from Virginia love the offerings :-)

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jose, ny, ny — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:15:29 GMT

Obama is going to be the Demcorat's third general election strike. With each passing day, it becomes increasingly clear that Obama's campaign was solely designed to defeat Hillary.

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Cindy Lou, TX — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:16:03 GMT

I think Bill's questionable endorsement of Obama and Hillary's latest comments prove why Obama can't put them on the VP ticket. They're lightening rods, and they don't always play the politcal game when they need to. Obama would constantly be rejecting and denouncing something they said. The Clintons also seem to be working against him in certain ways.

I don't think Obama is tough enough. The Republicans use down-in-the-gutter ads, and Obama, unfortunately, is going to have to dip down there with them from time to time, at least. He should be running ads about McCain's gaffes (Suni/Shia, the Iraq/Pakistan border, and promoting his wife as Miss Buffalo Chip etc.) The MSM is McCain's base, and they're content to overlook McCain's mistakes; Obama cannot rely on them.

Furthermore, the low-information voters may be obtaining all their information about the candidates from ads (sad, but could be true). Obama needs to keep asking the question, "Is McCain too confused to lead?"

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Clara Kansas City, MO — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:17:49 GMT

you guys should watch the jibjab.com - they have hillary with her 2012 signs and all. pretty funny material. http://sendables.jibjab.com/

MI Chick, I appreciate your efforts to take the high road and grant the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, I am not so charitable. I have been toying with the idea of sending her some money; but that whole trust thing prevents me from clicking the mouse. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. They are not honorable people. AND as a woman, I have never understood how she could adequately represent feminism and stay with such a cheating pig. It just goes against everything I value about my own self confidence. Why didn't she run as Hillary Rodham? Because she calculated that the Clinton brand was more valuable. Given that branding and NO campaigning in Florida, doesn't it make you wonder how Obama got ANY votes in Florida? And how snake like was it to leave her name on the ballot in MI? Good politics? or snaky tactic? Everything about her and how she ran her campaign is tainted like bad beef. As an electorate, this country is over the Bush/Clinton dynasties. She will be lucky to keep her Senate seat in NY with how many view her tactics. I feel very certain that if she were to run in 2012, she wouldn't even get a fraction of the votes she received. I am sure many votes were Repub spoilers. No Clinton, No Way!

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Steve, Glendale, CA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:18:31 GMT

48 + 26 + 41 = 115%

Why do your polls make no sense?

Wouldnt it seem that 67% of people hear what they want or not enough and want more, and that is enough to win any election. Why do you focus solely on the most negative thing you can find?

You guys need to use a little intelligence in your reporting, stop being the reason for the attitudes of the populous. People tend to think like what they read, so you in the media have quite the power and need to use integrity when wielding it.

This story that people are hearing too much of Obama, that is a media creation. No one would think this way otherwise, after all, this is only the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD we are about to choose, its kind of important to keep hearing about them.

You know what I hear to much of? You guys talking out your arses of whether Obama has a ________ problem with _______.

Stop it already. This process should have seriousness to it, and that what you are a part of now is something historical and you guys in the media, and I'm pointing at you Chuck Todd, you guys need to grow up and be professional and treat the process with integrity. When you keep stoking the fires with sensationalism, you only cheapen yourselves and in the process you cheapen the American people.

One day you will look back and realize that you were part of something special and all you could talk about were the irrelevant things like "Are the American People Tired of Hearing About Obama?" and "What's Hillary's convention strategy?" and "Tire Gauges and Paris Hilton ... have you no mirrors to see what you are doing?

There are serious issues and problems in the US and its all a joke to McCain, its TMZ to you guys, and the candidate who continues to raise the issues and prepare to solve the problems we face is mocked and his character is continually questioned.

The characters who most need questioned is the media. You guys disappoint me and your polls dont mean jack. If I want to control public opinion, I can make my own poll now.

HAS THE MEDIA LOST ALL INTEGRITY?

No faith in media reporting truth: 62%
Some faith in media reporting truth: 31%
The media is doing their job just fine: 34%

Add em all up and you got yourselves an MSNBC poll and a sliver of control of public opinion.

Put out enough of these polls and you might actually be able to convince the American people that Obama only has a 2 point lead over McCain, and people have to keep tuning in to your newscasts and websites to see if its getting any more compelling. We all know McCain isnt going to get any more than 40% of the vote, but you'd like people not to know that, so you create bogus polls and questions and deem them accurate representations of the population.

Its time for the media to be accountable.

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donna — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:18:50 GMT

*** Time to get away? If you believe these Pew numbers about voters hearing "too much" about Obama, then Obama's vacation, which begins tomorrow, couldn't be coming at a better time..." -FIRST READ

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Once again The Obama campaign is out ahead of the lot of you.

It is the media's doing if his name, image, negative, and annoying press has exhausted the electorate, though I rather doubt it. Over saturation would not explain his ability to sell your newspapers, and magazines at such an amazing rate. I queston the reality of what you have asserted here.

However it is no matter. The media, Senator McCain, nor the RNC can stand in the way of what may very well be this Nation's destiny. The dissenters have only the power to make the victory sweeter, G-D Willing.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:19:50 GMT

I stopped reading at the headline. Don't want more Clinton drama.

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Raymond Russell — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21:10 GMT

Of course Americans have been hearing too much about Obama. In trying to feed the gaping yaw of its 24/7 "coverage," the visual media starts its day wondering what's "wrong" with Obama. They scratch their chins until the next idea hits; hey! Maybe it's that too many people like him! No - maybe it's that a guy in Pennsylvania says he doesn't know him yet! Oh - I got it - maybe it's that he's not nasty enough!

Then the talking heads turn that kernel of an idea into a 3-cycle "narrative." Note that the question asked in this poll doesn't include whether people think the coverage has been positive or negative.

How about, just for the sake of variety, we ask what's "wrong" with John McCain for a little while? How about if we ponder the implications of his membership in the Keating 5, in light of the current lending crisis? Maybe actually discuss the fact that he's got some veteran problems, as he's voted against their concerns consistently? Does he have a memory/focus problem? Does he have a "youth" problem? (Duh)Is HE, with his many homes and private plane and ultra-rich wife, out of touch and elitist?

Go through the sites of MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS... the supposedly unbiased outlets, and count the stories that pick apart Obama's supposed "problems." Talk about landslides.

America and the world have embraced Obama not because he can speak well or has charisma. We have been dying (some literally) for a president who's extremely intelligent, thinks pragmatically and isn't in the pocket of one mega industry or another. Try focusing for a while on why a white guy who's been promoted as a "leader" since the 1970s can't "break 45" in the polls against an African American who's relatively new on the national scene. Pick Johnny apart for a little while - actually cover his myriad blunders and deer-in-the-headlights moments, and we won't be hearing too much about Obama.

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Ndog — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21:24 GMT

Why is MSNBC / NBC ignoring what's about to become the biggest news of the summer - the John Edwards affair? Even if it's untrue the fact that he hasn't denied it and is slated to speak at the convention means that something has to give. You have to report that at least don't you? Chuck??

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PHX Dusty — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21:59 GMT

PUMAS, Hillacrats, Clintonistas, HillaNazis--Get this thru your heads:
Hillary lost; she conceded; the end (well that is after saddling Barack Obama with $20 million of her bad debt). This little backstab BBQ session she held yesterday, while she was supposedly campaigning for Barack Obama, just shows everyone exactly what kind of morally deficit person she is. She would rather throw the race to a truly frightening, senile lunatic than to honor the edict and rules of the DNC, DNC delegates and democratic voters who have been working tirelessly to elect an outstanding, gifted man as the United States first African-American man president. At a moment when we need party unity more than ever, when we are so looking forward to a shining, historical moment that will echo brilliantly through history here comes the sore loser…again. This is just disgraceful, divisive and traitorous behavior. Why are we not at all surprised, we're talking about the Clintons. Vile; truly vile.

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Mike, Chicago — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:22:52 GMT

Isn't Hillary still deep in debt? If her supporters are really there and want there voices heard they should first start by donating $1 to her compaign. If she still has that 18 million following, her debt will almost all be paid off. But, if as I think, her "followers" have gotten over the primary battle and have moved to Obama then let's not have this game at the convention. If this does go to the convention, we should all start a campaign to raise money for whoever runs against Hillary for her next senate race.

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Mike, Chicago — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:24:08 GMT

Biden needs to be out there attacking the McCain campaign on these silly ads.

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Eliz-NY — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:24:52 GMT

I don't know what polls are being used here but the Hillary Clinton supporters that I know...ARE NOT AT ALL supporting Obama. The media trys to force people to think what suits 'the media'. Don't underestimate Hillary Clinton supporters or delegates.

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Ed, Watertown MA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:25:15 GMT

No Quid Pro Quo by McCain bundler Sargent? You are kidding me, right?

Isn't Senator McCain the Chairman and Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee? Isn't there the Military Fuel contract that Mr. Sargeant, the finance chairman of the Florida Republican Party and the part-owner of a major oil trading firm, International Oil Trading Company rigged through Jordan that Congressman Waxman is investigating?

It sure looks like Talking Points Memo is running journalistic rings around NBC News. C'mon, let's get up to speed here Chuck.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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DarinD — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:25:20 GMT

Hillary is becoming her worst enemy, she ran a strong campaign but lost. This new stuntcan be traced back to her sense of entitlement. The Clinton's have done so much damage to Democratic party. She will never overcome the self inflicted scars. I don't think she wants Senator Obama to win and I think he's right for dragging his feet on helping her retire her campaigns debt. Why haven't her 18 million come forth and assisted her financial plea? She is behaving like Senator McCain, and they are suppose to be the politicians with all of the experience. "Leadrship is action and not Position" Thus far their actions are sad.

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on election day, it doesn't really matter what the clinton's do or don't do — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:25:24 GMT

When I first that the Clinton's were back at it, I felt sad and angry, at them and the Democratic Party.

But, then I realized that I really doesn't matter what the Clinton's do or don't do in their latest stunt to be "important". Because, Clinton can't win without the Obama supporters either. They have to power to be in the news because of their name recognition. However, "We, the People" have all the power on election day!

So, I've decided that whether or not Obama becomes the convention "nominee" I will vote for him. If he's not on the ballot, I will write his name down and punch the hole next to his name. In the meantime I will continue to give him contibutions and continue to keep his message of hope and "can do" spirit in my mind.

The beauty of our election system is that "We, the People" have all the power on election day. I am owning that power, despite all the noise between now and the 1st Tuesday in November, to vote for Obama on Tuesday, November 4th, 2008.

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mad in Madtown — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:25:27 GMT

The Clintons have become like the Night of the Living Dead zombies, worse than any energizer bunny! Hillary and Bill: take our advice. We are wealthy, white, middle aged and female, but we REJECTED you. We are also well educated and we know that Obama is the future and you are the past. When we do elect a woman, and we will, it will be one that has won on her own merits, not by staying married to a serial womanizer and saying anything to get elected. And just so you know, you'd better straighten up or we will be ripping that welcome mat out from under you--You are on the cusp of ruining any chance of a political future if you don't STFU --and we mean soon!
LB, Virginia (Sent Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:47 AM)

LB, Thank you for saying exactly what I have been thinking and haven't had the guts to say. As a fellow member of your wealthy, white, middle-aged, female group, I, too, find the Clintons beyond contempt. Our time will come to elect a woman to POTUS. Hillary was the wrong woman, and this is not our time. Get behind our candidate, Barach Obama!

Obama for POTUS

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James C., Arizona — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:26:01 GMT

To PUMAs,

Are you real democrats? Did you vote for Clinton because you wanted her as a friend? Did you like her pants suits is that why you voted?

I know that these seem like silly questions, but when my kids act like two year olds, that's the way they are treated.

I hope the answer to the questions was of course not, we voted for her on the issues!

Well then, now we are getting somewhere. If it was the issues, say healthcare or taxes or education or Iraq those issues are important. The solution to those issues from both Hillary and Barack are 98% the same!

THEY ARE DEMOCRATIC ISSUES!

So, if your one of those PUMAs that claim they'll vote for McCain instead of Obama because:

[I leave out the right wing stuff about relegion and patriotism]

He stole the primary...
She got more votes (even though many votes are counted in caucus states)...
He used race...
She wasn't treated fairly...
He's a liar...
He's a back-staber...
He's a fraud...
He's an empty suit...

Then you are acting like a two year old. Now I'm not suggesting that you should just fall in line a support Obama. You should support issues.

So lets look at the issues that I have read from alot of PUMAs:

Obama's healthcare plan really isn't universal coverage.

[Well that's probably true, but John McCain's plan will allow employers an easy out to dump their existing plan so we can all buy our own. But there is no provision to prevent descrimination for pre-existing conditions, there is no requirement that someone actually insures you. Then if you can afford to purchase it, you can claim a write off. That's if you itemize and pay federal income tax anyway. So this is the alternative which is many more of the same with further reductions in those actually covered but a great way for employers to dump an expense. Oh, there also no price controls, portability, equal mental coverage... The list goes on. What was the difference between Hillary's and Baracks, it didn't mandate adults but anyone who wants it will get it. So do you penalize at time of service, or do you garnish prior. That is a debate on the big picture that pales in comparison to the republican's offer].

Other than the above specific issue, I have read any other policy debates from these so called dems.

Now looking at the other side between democrats and republicans. We have vast differences on:

Energy policy and the way forward...
Tax policy and budgetting prorities...
Healthcare and coverage...
The supreme court appointments...
Equal pay and the minimum wage...
Climate change and pollution...
Fair Trade vs. Free Trade...
America focused on American Jobs vs. American Bussiness...
Education and Tuition...
Foriegn policy specifically Iraq, Afganistan, Iran and Syria...
Transparency vs. Conspiracy...

So, any democrate that believes strongly in these issues for which both candidates, Hillary and Barack, both agree on 98% and 100% in philosophy and disagree nearly 100% with the republican trickledown-regulation loosenning-big business focus-oil driven-darwinistic approach, who says their going to vote for McCain and uses the "He stole it..." excuses is a two year old and not qualified to vote. This isn't a sports contest; your not cheering your team. You are deciding an integral piece of the American experience and the future of our children, our Nation.

I voted for Hillary. She took my state (Arizona). I to think she would have been our best candidate. But that is how the democratic selection process works. I didn't think Kerry was the best pick either, but I supported him and voted for him.

A lot can happen in four years. Use these posts to express concerns about our candidate -- he isn't perfect. But if your a PUMA for these reasons I stated, your really a republican and part of the rightwing machine. Take pride.

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Jodi Shrewsbury MA — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:27:32 GMT

Hillary's name belongs on the nomination ballot. This is not a new rule, it is as things have always been. It is Obama that would like to make a new rule (again) and prevent the candidate with the most popular votes from being on the nomination ballot. I am a life long democrat that will vote McCain this year and it does not matter to me if Obama puts Hillary on the ballot as VP. I hope Obama does not ask Hillary to be VP so that when he loses he will not be able to blame Hillary....and he will certainly lose without Hillary on the ticket.

If Obama were half the man his supporters think he is then he would have certainly stepped to a microphone when Bill said "Jesse Jackson won SC too" and should have said that is an historical fact and most certainly not a racist remark. In Politics I expect folks to diminsh the wins of their opponents but Bills historically correct statement is nothing compared to Michelle Obama's remark about "if Hillary can't run her own house...." Now there was a sexist and false comment coming from Michelle Obama..........and you say women are backing Obama.....I do not think so, at least not this woman or any woman with any self respect.

VOTING McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012