FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

dumb-dumb — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:01:34 GMT

The republicans don't care much about facts, they are more concerned about the stupid sound-bite

FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

republicans make me giggle — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:02:27 GMT

awww, c'mon--you sexist pigs always pointing out factual errors like that

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midwestern voter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:02:29 GMT

here we go again, repubs always find a way of pulling the truth out there ass

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ts mpls, mn — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:03:52 GMT

Typical republicans, if the truth is not on you side just lie about. The sounds all to familiar.

FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

twocanpete — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:06:19 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Huckabee needs to grab the closest life jacket and jump off this sinking ship now! The Enquirer is out with John Edwards 2.0 (read Sarah Palin had an affair!) These dogs will hunt and Mike had better stand back because the Enquirer has turned the hell-hounds loose!

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Brad Parish, Kingston, TN — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:07:18 GMT

A Preacher that tells lies... Which of the 10 Commandments is that? I don't think they know as they are blinded by being Republican frist while hiding behind God, which is using the name of God in vain, which is breaking yet another of the 10 commandments. The Republican seems to preach the word, but they sure don't live it. Lies and more lies. Shame, shame Huck!

FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

Jon, Richmond, Ky — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:07:26 GMT

Mike Huckabee is like the lovable grandfather who rambles most of the time but is just adorable. I'm extremely proud he knows that Alaska exists, and hasn't cast it out of the union as godless heathens.

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John — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:07:37 GMT

I am glad I am not the only one who thought about this after hearing Huckabee's B.S. good job First Read keeping the facts in check.

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Peter, Denver CO — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:07:38 GMT

John McCain has ZERO executive experience. ZERO!

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Leigh, Chattanooga, TN — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:07:53 GMT

understand that this is a point, but wasn't huckabee making a joke? in the middle of a story? can keith olberman control himself???? seriously???

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Marty, New Hampshire — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:08:09 GMT

Don't let the truth get in the way of a great line. Very similar to the revisionist history of taken someone that no one heard of six days ago and casting her as the greatest executive in the country. And thanks Mitt, for the hateful diatribe out of the 1980's. Have fun in oblivion.

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goodwin, arizona — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:08:44 GMT

Republicans are not big on facts or honesty does this really surprise anyone.

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Joe - STL — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:08:44 GMT

Nice work Domenico! Thanks for Fact checking that!

FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

Linda Schatzer — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:09:23 GMT

Gosh these republicans are such liars. And Huckabee a religious person...shame. I guess the repubs feel the only way they can win is to lie. But I guess its ok for them to take pot shots but the dems cant?

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Disgusted American, Everywhere city and state — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:09:55 GMT

Shame on Sarah Palin! If she is such a good mother, why does she allow her 5 month old baby to be in the convention audience milking the public while serving her selfish goals at such a late hour. That baby should be in bed.

As for the gross misrepresentation of Joe Biden's number of votes compared to Palin's, what else is new and are we surprised....absolutely not.

FACT CHECK: Biden, almost 80,000 votes

Anita,Boston,Massachusetts — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:10:31 GMT

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah
since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing
special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our
children have attended the same schools. Her father was
my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I
attended more City Council meetings during her
administration than about 99% of the residents of the
city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the
most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think
she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit
smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can
keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a
secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's
syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here;
Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked
out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just
"puts things out there" and if they prove to be
popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP
and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind
of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule
and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can
fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in
summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing
their major source of income. Nor has her life-style
ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population
of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as
governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual
work of running this small city was turned over to an
administrator. She had been pushed to hire this
administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous
firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative".
During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general
government expenditures by over 33%. During those same
6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City
increased by 38%. This was during a period of low
inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property
taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed
even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited
large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral
administration weren't enough to fund everything on her
wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She
inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with
indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin
encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the
infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage
treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library?
No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to
build on a piece of property that the City didn't even
have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs
later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The
sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-
generator she claimed it would be. She also supported
bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been
done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and
her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small
city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a
budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this
surplus in technology that will make us energy
independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every
individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget
surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond
for road projects, even while she proposed distribution
of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus,
borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open
to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought
ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas
weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of
who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our
highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian
refused to consider removing from the library some
books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied
to the defense of the City Librarian and against
Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin
backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People
who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her
enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she
first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A
new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the
experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced,
obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on
her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely
loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to
further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged
happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop
(see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he
"intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her
recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of
familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she
had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty
clear that an important factor in her decision to fire
him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-
husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse
of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the
person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her
ex-brother-in- law. She tried to replace the man she
fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for
sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she
withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended
theirs to her in help. The City Council person who
personally escorted her around town introducing her to
voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later
elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City
Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were
stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from
saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political
plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and
Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in
Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background
in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this
great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining
in the press about the high salary. I was told that she
hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the
work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the
Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the
job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned
her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her
problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she
hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the
patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against
the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was
fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone
for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has
castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly
humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to
nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise
not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and
budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display
of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork.
Public outcry and further legislative action restored
most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance-- but
with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as
"anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The
State party leaders hate her because she has bit them
in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the
party object to her self-description as a fiscal
conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school
with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of
her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness.
Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories
circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to
be made point guard on the high school basketball team.
When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member
of the community and experienced manager, ran for
Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put
together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that
forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her
drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the
loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She
campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
initiative that would have either a) protected salmon
streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the
courts all mining in the state (depending on who you
listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against
the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President;
Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are
more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have
underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

*"Hockey mom": true for a few years

*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in
elementary school, not since

*"NRA supporter": absolutely true

*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT
vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to
employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this
because it was unconstitutional) .

*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing
as Governor to promote it.

*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's
syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special
legislative session on some pro-life legislation

*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students
than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more
residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative
experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a
city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

*political maverick: not at all

*gutsy: absolutely!

*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not
good at explaining actions.

*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no

*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of
big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-
drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!

*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and
park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or
storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th
century standards.

*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses,
increased tax burden on residents

*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion
of city government in Wasilla's history.

*pro-labor/pro- union. No. Just because her husband
works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen
nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-
union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being
an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years
I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you
google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find
references to my participation in local government,
education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad
things happen when good people stay silent". Few people
know as much as I do because few have gone to as many
City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she
can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization
that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely
popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me
somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was
one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the
City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else
was afraid to say anything because they were somehow
vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for
the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when
Palin was running for Governor) from information
supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted
for: did I adjust for inflation? for population
increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private
person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers
circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from
my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's
selection was announced a city official told me that
the current population is about 7,000. The official
2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000
because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city
was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

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Vivian — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:10:43 GMT

"For the record, Joe Biden got 79,754 total votes in the Democratic primaries." That is not the issue. Mc Cain, Palin are the issue... Real change is the issue.
The right man running as President Mc Cain, and the capable running mate Palin. These are the issues. You picked on a small error shame on you. Mc Cain for President!!

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LibWorkingMom in Phila PA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:11:42 GMT

Such a LIE. Palin only got 909 votes in that mayoral race! Is this how they think they can win, but spitting out lie after lie and hoping America believes them?

Huckabee should be ashamed of himself. So much for living Christian values. I guess he thinks he gets a pass during the election.

PLEASE, MSNBC, don't back down from doing your job.

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Lisa Seattle, WA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:12:39 GMT

Once again...making stuff up...gotta love the party!! :)

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Stan McCauley, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:13:33 GMT

Ah, but the facts don't matter to Hucksterbee's audience this evening.

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Keith, DE — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:13:39 GMT

Silly comparison, and typical Republican remark. Great convention so far, no one is watching.

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No More Frat Boys for President, MA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:13:42 GMT

Of course he was wrong - they are doing anything they can to try to say that Gov. Palin is in any way qualified to the Vice President of the United States. That is what they do,they lie, they try to make us afraid and then the do for themselves and their friends and let the rest of the country deal with the mess, oh, in this case Gov. Palin she may also continue to take care of the residents of Alaska with pork and refunds from the energy money that the state receives so they can go shopping instead of using it to take care of things like roads and bridges (even the ones to now where).

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Stanley Kurbick, Cary NC — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:14:01 GMT

That's why I like MSNBC. They do Obama's work for free.

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Suburban Mom paying attention, IL — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:14:27 GMT

Thank you, First Read, for the clarification.

The Repubs just pile on lie on top of lie, yet they refuse to hold their own pitiful record up for honest analysis. The American people won't forget that this election is about us finding a way to ensure a better future for us and our children. Things won't get better if McCain/Palin are in charge. Their records speak clearly to that fact.

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Ed, San Antonio — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:01 GMT

Oh My God! Liars, Liars all! The Rev. Huckabee is more afraid of the GOP, than eternal damnation, for such a bald face lie. This gives a new meaning to "preaching to the choir".

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Just call me Reverend Mike — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:10 GMT

Ya Mike , and he calls himself a religious man, go figure, a little advice for the right wing religious kooks, you reap what you sow, just in case you didn't know it's a quote from the Bible.

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Barrack_007 West Allis, Wi — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:24 GMT

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Fact Check — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:33 GMT

Looking back to the Democratic convention from last week, I see zero 'Fact Checks' from nbc for that convention. Any particular reason you're changing your tune this week?

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Upstate New Yorker — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:43 GMT

I find it disgraceful that the republican party with former Mayor Giuliani mocking Barack Obama as a communtiy organizer. The benefit that that paid off to the people of Chicago would not think as such

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John McCain, USA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:15:56 GMT

Typical Republican HillyBilly redneck crap. These mother fucker hard line right wing bastard should be deported back to their forefathers' lands, The pilgrims came to America to survive from religious oppressions! The Bush/McCain/Palin supporting assholes will drive us back to the middle ages.

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Lorna, Klamath Falls, OR — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:16:18 GMT

Nothing unusual about that. More Republican LIES. They would lie when the truth sounded better.

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Tom, Beavercreek, OH — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:16:28 GMT

I don't understand why it's OK for Republicans to just lie, and lie, and lie, and not answer for it. The sad thing is that so many fools believe this garbage. "Well, Mike Huckabee said it, so it must be true!" So sad.

OBAMA!

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Susan — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:16:39 GMT

Thank you. PLEASE do not give in to the pressure to let up on the desperately needed vetting of this insulting choice for VP candidate. The Repubs cannot be allowed to control the truth. You in journalism are our greatest champion if you don't lose your nerve.

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tony, pleasanton ca — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:17:19 GMT

maybe that's why we're in such a huge deficit with math skills like that by republicans

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Kathy from Iowa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:10:03 GMT

Anita, send your article to a newspaper! They would love to have the story. That's for taking the time to inform us.
I thought her attacks on Obama's record & integrity were appalling & untrue. She is a scary person, as she is NOT about unity...why do people keep buying the Republican lies? They have no policy proposals for jobs, education, health insurance, etc

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Hillary....No, Not that one! — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:28:27 GMT

How Many votes did Biden get in ALASKA!?!? Isn't that what Huckabee was referring to?!?!

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Chris, Columbus, Ohio — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:28:41 GMT

Some fact check this is...How can we cover an election if we only check the facts of the RNC? Biased much?

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Jack, Trooper PA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:40:43 GMT

If you add what Clinton and Obama received in votes Biden's ratio is most likely lower than Sarah's ratio against her opponent. Clinton 18,000,000 and Obama had 17,000,000 and Biden had 80,000.

Based on that point of view Sarah cleaned Biden's clock!

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Brian — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:12:00 GMT

So Palin got 1 and 5 to 1 and 10 (ish) voters running for mayor. What proportion did Biden get? Is this the best you have MSNBC???

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Lily K — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:29:42 GMT

According to Wikipedia, Sarah Palin receives a grand total of 909 votes to her opponent's 200+ in her re-election bid. But hey, why would a former Baptist preacher like Huckabee let truth stand in the way of getting a fellow traveler on the creationism front elected.

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Rose Mary Baker — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:32:37 GMT

the Palin choice makes the Quayle choice seem brilliant!

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Laurelei, Plymouth, WI — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:33:10 GMT

Voters and Investigative Reporters-

Please read the above comment entitled "ABOUT SARA PALIN" from "Anita, Boston,Mass". Wow! We need this to be investigated. America needs Obama. Please do not let the Republicans win! If this is true, GET THE WORD OUT (BEFORE THE ELECTION).

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Vik, Ellicott Ctiy, MD — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:45:33 GMT

I am sure he meant running for Alaska...it was a Freudian slip, so give him a break. Does it matter, the point he was making was if Joe got 80 K votes out of 40M that voted in the Dem primary, that is a microscopic percentage of what she got running for Mayor and Governor!!!

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linda cnota — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:07:39 GMT

It's time for a change blame Huckabeefor his comments not Sarah.
No how No way Obama

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linda cnota — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:08:07 GMT

It's time for a change blame Huckabee for his comments not Sarah.
No how No way Obama

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Tina Stephens Media, PA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:17:15 GMT

I'm ashamed of anyone who thinks the way they behaved last night was funny or the right thing to do. I know the other group (Dems) is taking the higher ground, what are you guys doing digging tunnels through the mud. Keep showing your nastiness. Not funny at all. ps you guys are just going to take care of your little group huh?

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Scott, Kingston, GA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:24:01 GMT

Joe Biden received 2,328 votes in the Iowa caucus, less than 1%, after which he left the race on 3 Jan 2008. The votes he received after Jan 3rd were when he was no longer running for the Democratic nomination. Lets get facts straight. He only received 2,328 votes PERIOD. Votes do not count when you stop running.

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Flemming, Boise Idaho — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:42:21 GMT

Sounds like Huckabee is using one of Bush's "Fuzzy Math" caluculators from the earlier election years. Thank you George Bush for making me a Democrat. Obama / Biden 08/12