http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx From NBC’s Mike ViqueiraThe House Judiciary Committee is "strongly considering" offering former DoJ official Monica Goodling immunity in exchange for her testimony in the U.S. Attorney matter, according to one very solid congressional source.en-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#142987Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:06:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:142987JIrby, Colorado SpringsGreat pun, Mike!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143335Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:37:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143335Susan, NebraskaSing Monica, sing!!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143650Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143650Todd, New Orleans, LAWell . . . it was a pun. Good maybe, but great? A great pun is Bill Hicks talking about JFK and Castro - "Pigeons were overheard saying, "Coup! Coup!".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143770Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:33:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143770K Lin, Pasadena, CAPreemptively asserting 5th amendment rights? Is there even such a thing? (hint: no.) I can foresee this will be a great joke in law circles a few years from now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143896Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:53:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143896TMehrens, San Jose, CASO if she testifies and there is nothing in the testimony that justifies her invocing the 5th Ammendment is she then subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice? I'd be wording that grant of immunity very carefully.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143987Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:06:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143987Ken eNO one in the bush administration should get a free pass. send bush and all his people to jail. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143998Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:08:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143998Gonnuts, New Orleans, LA. What? So if I screw-up I can just hire a lawyer to say I don't want to talk about it and go home? Terrific! Wow ... what a great country. Maybe I'll get a gang together steal a couple of elections and become president. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#143999Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:08:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:143999Charles J. Collet Rosemary Woods, where are you??? The dog ate my homework! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144070Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:18:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144070Gearorge MillhouseExcellent headline - even better than APs: "Leahy doubts Bush aides on lost e-mails" First good news in 6 years.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144118Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:26:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144118greyhawkDidn't they learn anything from Ollie North. Issue her a freaking subpoena and let her take the 5th. Then they cite her for contempt of congress.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144358Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:07:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144358Russell in MarylandWe should not be issuing "keep out jail free" cards. Those usually result in a lot of headlines and expended wind but no one being held responsible. Yes I am still bitter about Iran-Contra and Ollie North and company escaping justice. Besides I keep hearing from the neocon bloggers that no crimes were committed so what is there to issue immunity from?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144542Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:42:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144542John Marshall, Columbus, OhioIs it me or has anyone else noticed it takes a Monica to take down an admistrationhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144674Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:09:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144674JTActually, this may indicate that her original position on taking the 5th - which, after all, doesn't apply to perjury in advance - was a smoke signal that she has lots and lots to talk about. If so, it's a pretty smart move on her lawyer's part. And as long as the immunity depends on her singing like a bird - no "I don't recall", no obfuscation - it might be a very smart deal for Congressional investigators to give it to her. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144679Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:10:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144679Dieter Heymann, Houston, TexasIf all public servants, and Monica was one of them, would refuse to answer questions from congressional oversight committees, there would be no oversight possible. I am saddened that congress considers giving her immunity. If you serve you must sing and if you do not understand that find another line of employment. I am saddened because immunity would increasingly pervert the task of my watchdog, the congress.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144688Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:12:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144688S.F. WilsonShe was apparently one of the prime movers in this purge of 8 US Attorneys. She CANNOT preemptively take the Fifth Amendment and then go home, scott free. She is a born again 'Bushie" coming out of an evangelical college and law school. God is on her side as it is for most of this Administration. Issue her a subpoena and allow her to not answer questions. Tell her lawyer "To go f**k himself" The American people have a right to get to the bottom of this fiasco.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144750Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:29:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144750Deborah T. Georgiton, Columbus, Ohio She is a small fish in a very large pond. Grant her immunity to get at the REAL culprits for once. This Administration is too adept at blocking investigations. & In process offering up the "sacrificial" peons. The enlisted soldiers prosecutions for the Abu-Graib horror strikes me as the worst example of their ruthlessness in this arena to date. Grant her immunity- hope she sings loud enough to bring the house down!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144850Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:00:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144850Gail, Novato, California Have you noticed that the graduates from the southern evangelical colleges are totaly devoid of any understanding of our constitutional rights, ethical clarity or an ability to distinguish the difference between their religious beliefs and Republican party dogma? Scary. They are the personification of the word "brainwashed".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144859Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:02:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144859gil martin,chicago,ilNo immunity - it doesn't mean she'll tell the truth anyway. Don't talk? Throw her to the wolfs - throw her in jail http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144861Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:03:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144861Gail, Novato, California Have you noticed that the graduates from the southern evangelical colleges are totaly devoid of any understanding of our constitutional rights, ethical clarity or an ability to distinguish the difference between their religious beliefs and Republican party dogma? Scary. They are the personification of the word "brainwashed".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144871Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:05:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144871Big Mitch, Anchorage, AlaskaThere is another alternative. It is called "direct contempt." Basically, the game plan would be to call her to testify, and if she refuses, then have the sergeant at arms arrest her. She would then have to prove that she has a well founded fear of prosecution. The argument that she is afraid that a partisan committee will prosecute her doesn't fly. It was rejected in a case involving Susan McDougal. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144876Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:07:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144876Arn GunnutesNext, we will have Fred Fielding saying that Bush can't be impeached by Congress because he has "executive privilege"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144921Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:23:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144921Jaime Garcia, Seattle, WACongress should drag "Bonzo" and all of his fellow criminals before them and depose them and listen as they knock each other over trying to rat out each other. This whole Bush Administration is the worst political/industial/and monetary tragedy that the U.S.A. has ever suffered. I am so ashamed that Bush and his administration/gang are unfortunately Americans. It is tragic what they are and what they have done to America and the American people.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#144925Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:24:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:144925Jaime Garcia, Seattle, WACongress should drag "Bonzo" and all of his fellow criminals before them and depose them and listen as they knock each other over trying to rat out each other. This whole Bush Administration is the worst political/industial/and monetary tragedy that the U.S.A. has ever suffered. I am so ashamed that Bush and his administration/gang are unfortunately Americans. It is tragic what they are and what they have done to America and the American people.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145022Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:52:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145022Jane, Southern MississippiGeyhawk, then she can get her own show on Fox News. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145136Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:32:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145136Jane, Southern MississippiI'm reading Joan Mellen's book, A Farewell to Justice, and she quotes Jim Garrison, "In Washington, the failure to tell the whole truth is not considered to be an offense." How appropriate. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145139Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:32:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145139Lee "You can make it if you try" in MVGonnuts - If I say I think I can justify it (your campaign strategy) by precedent, can I be your AG?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145142Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:33:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145142John in IllinoisTalk about synchronicity - two different white houses, two different Monicas.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145239Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:21:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145239Grace Morris, Rio Linda, CAIssue a subpoena and then let her take the fifth before the Congress, the media and everyone can clearly see the coruption in the DoJ.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145305Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:05:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145305mommadona, Ben Lomond, CAOK, I'll ask: What IS it with Republican Christians and the truth? Is it that scary to them? Is it a group delusion of grandeur? What IS IT with these people?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145396Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145396Willie, Auburn, CAI say bring her in and start the show. It's a full-blown circus atmosphere that nobody in their right mind would want any part of. Ask good questions. Make her repeat the phrase "it would tend to incriminate me" over an over. That's plenty of reason to suspect crimes have been committed and proceed from there. If needed, bring her back with immunity later. She'll have to explain. -- Not sure about contempt. That would just be referred to the DoJ. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145456Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:23:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145456Noura YomWhat next, you give impunity to Bush if he denounces Cheney and Rove? you're living in a very strange country guys.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145546Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:22:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145546Pete Farris, St. Michaels, MDMs. Goodling has an absolute right to invoke the Fifth Amendment. It would be illegal for anyone to throw her in jail for doing so. After the Libby matter, it is obvious that if her recollection were to differ from someone else's, perhaps some reporter's, she might be prosecuted for lying-- perhaps successfully. She may have no real information to add to what is already known. But she is properly and wisely invoking the Fifth in this preposterously political climate to protect herself. It would be nice if Democrats and some Republicans in Congress would shelve the vitriol and get on addressing the real problems of the nation, a task for which they are far more handsomely paid than most of us.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145712Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:30:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145712Patrick E. Snyder, Coral Springs, FLSorry, Mr. Farris, but "the real problems of the nation" very much include the way the DoJ has been corrupted and abused to assist in Republican political entrenchment, which is just one instance of the way in which the Bush Administration has deprofessionalized and cronyized the bureaucratic "Fourth Branch." In case you didn't catch it, the DoJ's efforts to take on so-called voter fraud over the last six years, which have been aimed by a 4:1 margin at Democrats and timed to skew elections, have essentially turned up nothing, a handful of piffle. In other words, they made the issue up in order to skew elections, to confuse and intimidate voters. Further, the man at the head of the DoJ is one of the leading characters in America's current and deeply damaging embrace of torture and our estrangement from the Geneva Conventions, to which we are signatories. The problems being surfaced and addressed by the investigations into the US Attorney firings (and those not fired) are, indeed, "real problems of the nation." And as for Ms. Goodling's right to assert the Fifth, it is unprecedented to take the Fifth to avoid committing a crime (perjury), rather than to avoid divulging one's past involvment in criminal activity. Further, by all accounts she was close to the center of the activities surrounding the attorney firings. She has no special right not to testify before Congress. Fear of lying does not absolve her of her obligation to testify when called.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145844Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:59:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145844Hal Toomer, San Diego, CACan you take The Fifth for something you MIGHT do but HAVEN'T YET done (such as perjury)?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#145884Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:08:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:145884Still Crazy After All these Years"She's Come Undone"-The Guess Whohttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146122Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:53:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146122PeepsIt's time to put a bullet in the head of this story. Talk about beating a dead horse. Enough already.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146175Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:03:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146175Nick, OhioHow fitting that Bush has his own Monica to deal with. I wonder if this Monica will lead to impeachment or even indictment of Bush and his clan?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146319Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:26:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146319Scott in South TexasBy all means, suppress the truth. Standard bush administration operating procedure.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146410Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:38:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146410Craig BloomfieldSince no one has mentioned this, I will. As soon as one person in the administration has immunity, that becomes the person who takes all the blame. She came up with the idea, did the firing, erased the emails from Rove's computer, all without the consent or knowledge of the AG or Rove. In the past this person would have just taken the heat and gotten a pardon followed by a national radio show (Ollie North), but GWB has indicated that Libby won't get a pardon, and the way GWB betrays his loyal Bushies, that may be the case. She shouldn't get immunity -- contempt of Congress is a good enough reason to toss her in jail.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146451Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:44:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146451John B, Des Moines, IAYou're right, Peeps. It's time to get off the horse and move to the related matters of Obstruction of Justice, violation of the Hatch Act by misusing government office to further the political agenda of the GOP, conducting White House business on a private email system to circumvent the Presidential Records Act, and any other crimes that might be hiding in those emails.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146495Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:51:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146495Robert Catalano, Salem, ORThese two Monicas are very different; one opened her mouth in a loyal gesture to her President and one refuses to. What a perfect metaphor for comparison of the Clinton and Bush Administrations.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146629Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:13:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146629Tom Dunn, Central Square, NYWhat an opportune moment for Congress to reactivate the special prosecutor's law and appoint Patrick Fitzgerald as the new Archibald Cox. How in the world can the current DOJ play any credible role in an investigation of itself or others in the administration? That would at least move everything slightly out of the realm of pure politics and give it a judicial framework.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146924Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:08:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146924Scott LeTourneau, Newfield, NYA lot of non-lawyers here. The first thing you learn in law school is that lawyering has nothing to do with justice; it's all about the practice of law. Monica is merely practicing law in invoking the fifth. She has every right to, Congress be damned. Congress is not a coterie of "more equal" citizens.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146936Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:10:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146936Scott LeTourneau, Newfield, NYA lot of non-lawyers here. The first thing you learn in law school is that lawyering has nothing to do with justice; it's all about the practice of law. Monica is merely practicing law in invoking the fifth. She has every right to, Congress be damned. Congress is not a coterie of "more equal" citizens.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146960Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:14:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146960Carrie, NW IowaI wonder if Peeps said the same thing when the GOP was so very interested in Clinton's sex life. Somehow I think not.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#146997Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:19:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146997Ken, MNRobert Catalano....Wow, that is an incredible statement. I am in awe. Thank you.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#147232Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:00:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147232Scott in South TexasScott LeTourneau, you and I went to very different law schools.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#147286Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:08:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147286PeepsActually, Carrie, I did. I never slammed Clinton for getting a little "sumpin', sumpin'" on the side -that was his business - after all, he is married to Hillary. Who could blame him. But Clinton actually did lie - and was impeached for it. Remember?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#147599Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:11:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147599DesmondI remember what the press was focused on in the summer of 2001. The press was focused on Gary Conditt and whether or not he killed an intern. They were also focused on the number of sharks attacks in Florida. I also know that the Republican Congesss critized President Clinton for his attack on a pharmeacutical company in Sudan and for another attack in Afhganistan.But what do I know.And oh yes, September 11, 2001, happened under a Republican President and withRepublicans controlled byCongress.So, Mr President, with all due respect, where is bin Laden? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#147717Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:37:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147717Carrie, NW IowaPeeps - Of course I remember that. Of course, I also think it was completely inappropriate for him to be questioned about his sex life under oath. What exactly did that have to do with the investigation? Oh right...nothing. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#148813Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148813Jane, Southern MississippiTHIS reminds me of Watergate. Whitewater and Monica did not remind me of Watergate at all. But "missing" e-mails and missing minutes on Nixon's tape are so closely related. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#149076Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:11:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149076Dirk Kamman"High-ranking DoJustice official" Goodling, is a proud graduate of the PAT ROBERTS LAW SCHOOL (!) -- along with about 150 other "Legal Eagles" in the Bush administration !! Does the blessing of a televangelist and his $$$ donors really qualify these kids to hire & fire U.S. Attorneys ???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#149079Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:14:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149079Sean Reed, Lafayette, LAWell, she's a smart girl. She learned a lot in law school. Someday soon, she'll be in Playboy or Penthouse, as one of the "Girls of the AG Scandal"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#149128Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:14:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149128hkellerWhatever Monica was doing at the White House was probably very Un-American and best and criminal at worst. Zealots always seem to justify means to an end.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#149999Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:48:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149999J Vidas Appleton WiJust when you thought it was safe to back into the White House...MONICA II!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/12/142934.aspx#150253Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:17:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150253Upscalethis is going to get ugly before its all over, yeah!