http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspxFrom NBC's Kelly O'DonnellDeputy White House press secretary Dana Perino says that so far in its review, the White House has found "no basis to conclude any improper intent" in the use of Republican Party email accounts that critics say allow staffersen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#146952Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:13:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146952Scott in South TexasIt's bad enough being lied to, but it really torques my jaws when someone thinks I'm stupid enough to believe a weak, stupid and patently unbelievable lie.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#146975Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:17:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:146975Nick A, ILI didn't know that Omerta was a White House vow as well. Why don't we just put Tony Soprano on the ticket next year and stop pretending there is no corruption in the White House.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147006Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:21:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147006John B, Des Moines, IAI'm glad they've decided they've done nothing wrong. Ken Lay decided that Ken Lay did nothing wrong, but the courts did not agree. Sorry WH, declaring yourself innocent by way of self-investigation no longer flies.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147009Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:22:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147009Lee in MV"Deputy White House press secretary Dana Perino says that so far in its review, the White House has found "no basis to conclude any improper intent" in the use of Republican Party email accounts " ...I'll bet that was one smack-down thorogh investigation, too. BushCo is really big on self investigation and self regulation. Take "Blue Skies," where polluters look into their hearts to decide if they are even polluting at all, or "Choose Your Own Toxicity Level" for mining companies to set mercury levels without a bunch of psudo-science like chemistry getting in the way, so it undermine the "my word is my bond" stake they have in this and would be disengenuous and damaging their own policy ideology to not perform at least as thorough an investigation as Hillary would. Case closed. GWB administration completely trust worthy and solid stewards of our nation's future.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147043Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:27:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147043Charles, Evanston ILMore lies and smoke screens. When are the American people going to wise up ad get these jackasses out of office and in to prison?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147065Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:30:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147065Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IAHow could acknowledging something that happened 2 years ago be construed as forth coming? The buck stops here Dubya!!!!!!!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147067Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:31:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147067Still Crazy After All Theae Years"With every step you make, every breath you take, I'll be watchin' you"-I'll Be Watchin' You-Stinghttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147204Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:55:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147204rodeo, ellensburg, waOF COURSE the emails can be retrieved, another WH lie/stall. The press secretary is always the last to know; that way she can maintain her innocence while telling whoppers. This should have been a non-story, but for the "rapid response" hubris and complete political control of governance in the Bush Administration, plus the need for a "new watergate" in Congress and the media. They created this monster, it's now eating all of them alive and nothing is getting done toward solving real problems in the country. This administration has abdicated its responsibility to govern; or perhaps, did not understand what its responsibility was. We are not safer at home or influential abroad.The Constitution has not been preserved or protected or defended. For that reason alone, impeachment should come off the back burner for thoughtful Americans.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147210Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:56:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147210William in HoustonWhat's really scary about the search for missing emails, is that the WH is hiring out-side forensic computer experts....I bet they're in the employ of Halliburton.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147293Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:10:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147293Robert Catalano, Salem, ORDana Perino, the female Ron Ziegler.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147298Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:10:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147298Brian, Cedar Hill, TXSomebody outside of the WH had better take over and monitor the forensic work on those servers. Otherwise it will be another, "oopsy-daisy, we just accidentally destroyed the memory cards from those servers. Sorry. But aren't we nice and forthcoming about it?"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147358Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:21:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147358Mike, Lincoln MontanaSurely the NSA would have copies of all the emails - I'm sure they have copies of all MY email.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147456Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:43:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147456Just passing thru JonestownCan't wait for the democrat witch hunters to find emails from the 04 election containing jokes about Kerry and others then declare that a crime.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147490Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:51:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147490I'm just sayin'...Rove is only one end of those emails. The sender / receiver also has a copy, along with the associated servers.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147493Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:52:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147493Frank "Grimey" GrimesStill Crazy...I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I have to correct you...I believe the title of the song is "Every Breath You Take" and it technically was "The Police" (Sting was the lead singer of course). Nevertheless, you're wealth of modern music knowledge has been most impressive! :)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147513Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:55:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147513John Blackmore, Sidney, NebraskaIs anyone surprised that the Bush Administration is being arrogant and dishonest yet again? This has been a pattern of behavior since 2000 and, if anything, has gotten worse since then...not better. I for one hate W The Hypocrite and his pack of jackals. And to think it's more than 600 days before we purge this absolutely horrible presidency!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147537Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:59:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147537Amy B Portland, ME"the use of Republican Party email accounts that critics say allow staffers to circumvent White House record-keeping requirements." If its "required" that White House employee email be preserved, than how is it even possible staffers can access the RNC email system at work? Wouldn't the IT dept make sure they couldn't send email any other way except through the government account? It seems to me that security at the White House should be at least as rigorous as it is in the business world. I can't believe the lack of security controls at that level of the government. What if someone were selling state secrets? Geesh.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147573Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:05:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147573R.MerrellAfter watching Dana Perino day after day, does anyone else get the impression that even she doesn't believe this crap?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147603Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:12:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147603JJ in NJSo what on earth has to happen before people stop supporting this bunch of thieves? I know people don't want to believe that an American presidential administration could be this corrupt, but guess what folks, this bunch is. And denial doesn't change that.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147610Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147610jtbHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHALLIBURTON! the dreaded HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHALLIBURTON is back, devouring E-mails. Run Away! run away!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147614Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:15:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147614!Do any of you ever make valid points? Its the same old crap from the left, all wind and no facts. Its like being in a hen house, bock bock bock, and nothing but a bunch of poop laying around.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147650Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:23:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147650Dave, Sun City, AZI'll bet the exchanges deleted in the 18 1/2 minute gap will be found with the e-mails. I can;t wait for that info.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147669Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:27:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147669Carrie, NW IowaOfficials could not explain why Rove's double delete capability was removed. Gee, maybe because he had been abusing it? Or perhaps they were just concerned that he would abuse it? Either way, this whole thing stinks. Congress needs to say "thanks but no thanks" on the WH forensic people, and hire independent computer gurus to come in and recover what can be recovered. Of course, that would never be allowed by the Administration; I'm sure it would violate national security, executive privilege, the Fifth Amendment and anything else they could think up. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147732Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:40:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147732Scott in South Texas!, you are what I would call a seagull poster. You fly in, make a lot of noise, crap all over everything, and then leave.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147759Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:46:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147759Still Crazy After All These YearsFrank,gonna dance the night away, but I believe with every step I take I know what's going on.And under the boardwalk, I will always remember whats her name.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147768Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:48:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147768rodeo, ellensburg, wa Sorry, !, post #8 is from a registered Republican, Republican Congressman (Doc Hastings) Past PCO, kids in harm's way, old enough to remember Watergate. I even voted for Bush (the first time) Tired of spin from everywhere, just asking for a little thoughtful dialogue.... used to be that folks listened to each other, now they just scream teasers from cable news.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147793Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:56:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147793John B, Des Moines, IADear !; Fact, emails from the Abramoff investigation reveal that the RNC-based email system was being used to keep White House business off the WH server so that the details would not be subject to inspection. Fact, the Presidential Records Act REQUIRES that ALL email pertaining to White House business be preserved in perpetuity. Fact, lack of compliance with political goals was part of the finding that the fired US Attorneys were underperforming. Fact, that nugget could contain Obstruction of Justice charges and at least is a violation of the Hatch Act's prohibitions against using official government business to gain political advantage for one party over the other. How's that for some valid points?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147833Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:06:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147833Susan, NebraskaLet's take it one by one today. I am sure I will be told this is from "liberal" news, but here goes. . . . 1)White house just can't figure out where the pertinant e-mails regarding the firing of the attorneys went. I am sure it was a liberals fault they disappeared. . wait, I know. . . it was Bill Clintons fault. 2)40 MILLION DOLLARS in food is rotten because FEMA doesn't have a clue. Yeah George, the whole Katrina problem was Brown-y's fault, not the fault of an incompetant administration. Why wouldn't you be able to leave food in the back of semi's for years and have it stay good. and 3) I did not have sexual relations with that woman. . . . Who said it??? Clinton you say. . . NOPE, Mr. Harlan Ullman, Mr. Shock and awe has been named for "frequenting" a D.C. Madame. HMMMMMMM Crow tastes sweet doesn't it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147845Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:09:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147845Paul S, Oak Harbor, WADana Perino's use of the phrase "..improper intent" is clearly designed to deflect any conerns about criminal intent on the part of WH staffers. I agree with Rodeo that this entire episode distracts from addressing the immediate and long-term issues facing the nation. Jowever, from a theater of the absurd perspective, it is rather interesting and pathetic.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147867Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:15:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147867Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa"Well isn't that Special!" -Church Lady.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147899Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:21:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147899M.E., Albany, Ga.RMerrell- I've also felt that Ms. Dana is only parroting what she's been told to say, and that she appears to be very uncomfortable with the questions. There appears to be no conviction behind her tap dancing. Other than his health setback, don't you know Tony Snow is glad he hit the road after Gonzales-Gate hit. Think he saw more at the end of the tunnel? Actually, I'm waiting for them to say that some of the e-mails were sent via "laptops", and that they have disappeared as the FBI laptops that were "stolen" not long ago. That way there would be no harddrives to audit. Guess they just haven't thought of that excuse yet.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147910Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:23:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147910Tom Y MNI wonder if Senator Leahy and the committee need to execute some kind of "search warrant" to get that data. I agree the WH can't be trusted to use their IT people.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147939Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:29:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147939Patrick, MinneapolisUnbelievable. People are going to look back, as soon as 10 years from now, and look at the whole lot of politicians, the Bush administration and the media, and they're going to think, "How did all of this happen with no consequences? How did this all just slide by?" One thing after another with Bush, and Congress and the media do very little, if anything, about it. Congress does what it thinks is politically popular, which is usually nothing, and the media waits for a press conference and reports it as "news." Pathetic, on all sides. How has this man not been impeached? Sad days to be an American. Shameful, really.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#147951Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:30:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:147951Susan, Nebraska!! I have been reading the blogs from today, and I notice you have been on many of the different ones spewing the same crap. So I turn it back on you Mr. !!, do you ever make a point, or just go place to place insulting people???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148024Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:44:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148024Lee HolmesAmy-Heh.Deja Vu all over again.The loss of 'State secrets'as well as hundreds of lost e-mails and over 900 'lost'FBI files,and the erasure of key evidence from the Branch Davidian raid by FBI/BATF we were already regaled with under the last administration.Democrats didnt make a big deal over it,indeed,defended it in nearly the same terms being used by Perino.[Paul Begala called the loss of the e-mails 'an innocent mistake',although their disappearence was tied to the Chinese/DNC fundraising scandal as well as the DNC/TEAMSTERS scandal that occurred at about the same time.Thus,instead of top administration officials being fingered in these scandals,a handful of DNC spearcarriers fell on their swords to protect the administration paying fines and doing small-time at a federal lockup.Again,this deal is nothing we have not seen before,and it is nothing that the MSM made a big deal over when it was a Democrat in the WH.This too shall pass.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148028Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:45:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148028Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaIt seems to be 'Show Off Day" at FR. When the Ultra-Conservatives sit in front of their PC's, naked, slathered with Log Cabin Syrup, and drooling over their signed photos of Dubya and the White House Staff. Then, out comes little tricks they learned at the "Nixon School of Inanity". WWPD? What Would Plumbers Do?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148055Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:51:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148055Marilee VeniegasI agree with what Lee in MV noted. Dana Perino has to have known what Karl Rove was up to, how can you you be the press secretary and be so blind to this blantant misuse of email and the publics time http://www.iwantmyess.com/?p=198 jtb, yeah I'm feeling the "HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHALLIBURTON" ness of this tech trashing email scandal.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148089Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:59:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148089Nick, OhioPatrick, I wholeheartedly agree with you. If anyone is not completely and utterly appalled at the antics used by the Bush Admin since inception in 2001, they are not paying attention (apathetic) or are supporting this behavior as acceptable (everyone does it, so it must be correct... we have to believe our President, because he's our President and he's a Christian). We are not living in times as bad as they were during the war in Vietnam, but the Bush Admin has been entirely too secretive and has not been truthful when challenged. I cannot believe the loss of email was done innocently. They knew exactly what they were doing when they used the RNC laptops and/or Blackberries with RNC email ids. They weren't using them for a personal reason, as one can get a free email id from any one of a dozen or more sources. They wanted the RNC to host their email so they could completely control their content and keep it as private as possible. Why, you may ask?? Good question. I suggest they had plans to perform govt. business with these email ids and hardware, so as to avoid govt. auditing and monitoring. Of course, with court orders, the NSA can gather anyone's email, even if it is illegal to store it, en masse. We have to petition our Congress to prosecute this to the fullest extent of the law. The Bush clan has over-stepped their authority and trampled our laws and Constitution so many times, these documents appear to be toilet paper. It REALLY IS a sad day tp be an American. We have to change it in 2008 and then continue to be vigilant, as no one will stand up for what is right if we don't do it first. We, the people...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148100Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:01:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148100Still Crazy After All These years"How Long Has This Been Going On"-Van Morrisonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148106Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:03:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148106Still Crazy After All These years"How Long Has This Been Going On"-Van Morrisonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148135Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:10:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148135Just passing thru JonestownHow many of you losers are teacher's union members ignoring the kids while you spread your conspiracy theories? Kids being forced to watch Al Gore's film AGAIN? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148227Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:34:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148227John, Rehoboth Beach, DEAnother song might also be appropriate for my take on the whole GWB, Jr. crew: "Enough is Enough" as recorded by Donna Summer & Barbra Streisand c. 1980. Although a registered Republican, I didn't vote for GWB, Jr. in either election. I've had quite enough. I wonder if anyone in the current administration can spell "impeachment"? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148264Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:46:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148264TEC Spring TXIt should not be a war between republicans and democrats supporters. There is no place for dishonesty and corruption in the highest office or even in the lowest offices of our country. When people see no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil because they are blindly following their leader, then we might as well give up our freedoms. Our founding fathers looked the British in the eye and stated no more. Even so, there were many a colonists, who were Tories and would do nothing to fly in the face of the king. Even when others were being shot down in the streets of Boston, jailed for disobedience and held under suspicion of thought crimes. Their homes invaded, searched and many forced to quarter soldiers. We have already booted one King George from this land. So it should not manner what political religion one follows, for if we allow dishonesty to flourish, corruption to prosper and despots to rule then we have lost the very reason America was founded. So every time e-mails are missing, a file is lost and we can find no wrong doing in our leaders, and we take their word, we are turning a blind eye to their misdeeds. Just trust me should not work any more. The proof of when a tree falls in the woods disappears into the wind if no one sees it or hears it. Never less, the results can be seen on the ground. We can see the results, we know there was reason the justices were fired, but we can not prove Mr. Rove was directly involved, or there were political motivations of Mr. Rowe because he deleted e-mails. Can we assume intent of the deletions or just say we have no proof and accept at face value that Mr. Rowe is innocent of unintended motivations. I think that seeing the tree on the ground is proof that it fell. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148279Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:51:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148279Betty Ruff Athens, GARemember when John Kerry responded off camera during the last presidential campaign and wouldn't apologize for it, that "these guys are the most crooked, lying group I've ever seen"? Well...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148324Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:03:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148324DesmondSteve Turner, perhaps the plumbers need a can of Dranohttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148328Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:05:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148328Aimee, Pittsburgh,PaDana Perino-the female Joe Isuzu.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148400Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:31:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148400Rick, Germany Soon after Clinton lawyer Vince Foster committed suicide under mysterious circumstances, his office was cleared out. Along with his office went the Whitewater billing records and several key pieces of evidence. Evidence suggests that Clinton associate Bernard Nussbaum purposely delayed access to the office to investigators. Not to mention the mysterious suicide in which there is some hint that evidence was tampered with. Witnesses have testified they saw Clinton aides clearing the supposedly sealed office. Years after they had disappeared from Vince fosters office, subpoenaed Whitewater billing records appeared in the White House. In January of 1996 an aide stumbled across them sitting on a table in the White House. They couldn't have been sitting their all these years unnoticed. Hillary's finger prints were on them. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148409Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:34:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148409Dave, Sun City, AZKarl Rove now says that he assumed that the e-mails were saved. "Assumption is the mother of all F@#*ups." Eric Begosian Under Siege 2 Dark Territoryhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148459Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:47:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148459Fred Michaels, New York, NYPlease people; Karl Christian Rove was fired by Bush's father, former President George Herbert Walker's campaign for his unethical behavior. Now that the Republican party no longer controls Congress, it's the begining of the end of this behavior.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148500Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:03:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148500Bob, Phoenix, AZI'm sorry, I think I am lost. I was looking for a news outlet and somehow I have stumbled into conspiracytheory.com. So far in most of these messages I have seen the same thing, Bush is a liar, liar pants on fire. The truth of the matter is, it does not matter why he fired the prosecuters because he has the executive right to fire them for any reason he wants to. Would it be unethical if he fired them because they were investigating a Republican pal? Of course it would, however, if he indeed did that don't you think one of the fired prosecuters or the media would be able to find that out based on public record. Instead of crying over 8 fired prosecuters why don't you write your Senators and Represenatives and ask them to actually get some work done. We have things that need to get done like immigration reform, balancing the budget, figuring out what to do with Medicare/Social Security, finishing up the war in Iraq, educating our children, revamping the tax code. At the rate Washington is going, none of them are going to be re-elected because they don't get any work done. As far as fired prosecuters go, this is a waste of time, money and deserves no descent debate.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148502Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:04:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148502Lee Holmes'Plumbers'would have told you that you do not thread soft copper fittings onto galvanized pipe.They would not have given away the ICBM-re-entry ranch to the Chinese because they were FOBs.Wanna know why Congress no longer allows 'presdiential waivers'?Well,thats why.[although it doesnt stop the now-spreading technology from allowing the Iranians[soon] or the Chinese[right now] from putting it down on a dime in a Chicago parking lot but thats what you get when you have FOBs instead of plumbers].http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148554Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:29:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148554bobf YOYOYO Lee what year is today. So what the hell does any of this old stuff you are trotting out good for. Lee you do realise the house was controlled by republicans. So if you want to cry, then cry for the idiot republicans who did nothing. If they did not think it was as big a problem as you do then go blame the republican house for not doing their job. So quit your whining and accept some responsibility. Why is that so hard for republicans. Why are they never responsible for anything. They just keep offering up sacrificial lambs: Paul O'neill, Oliver North, John Stockman, the list goes on. Funny, none of their bosses took responsibility for their employee's. They all fell on the sword for the republican in charge. Then they wait to be rewarded with a show on conservative radio or television.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148612Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:01:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148612JIrby! - It only sounds like crap to someone with an IQ of 65. I felt the same way about high energy particle physics when I was in the third grade. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148771Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:44:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148771Russell in MarylandThe way for the White House to put the email controversy to rest if for George Bush to get on TV and say that he will personally investigate and fire anyone who is found to have destroyed email sought in a congressional investigation. That worked so well in the treasonous spy outing of Valerie Plame.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148777Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:47:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148777Russell in MarylandSteve Turner - Log Cabin syrup? Would those be Log Cabin Republicans?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148782Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:50:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148782Jane, Southern MississippiWas there a line in the song that went, "Every vow your break"? That would go along with the Bush administration's vow to uphold the Constitution.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148786Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:53:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148786Jane, Southern MississippiWhitewater and Monica didn't make me think of Watergate, but THIS sure does. Don't we have enough on Bush and Cheney to impeach? What have we let our country come to?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#148870Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:41:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:148870Amy B Portland, MEWhat kind of American doesn't want to know why eight perfectly competent, correction, exceptionally competent, U.S. Prosecuters were singled out to be fired mid term? Why was it said they were fired for performance reasons, when they all had excellent ratings? All you have to do is see them on TV to recognize these were top drawer people. What kind of American wants Rove to get away with meddling in the Justice Dept? A die hard, partisan, Bush-worshipping Republican, thats who. The rest of us want to see to see politics taken out of the Justice Dept. For this administration and any future Democratic administrations. Its called a principle.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#149190Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:12:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149190Gary Schear, Bozeman MontanaJust passing Thru Jonestown--You are obviously a great connoisseur of Kool-Aid.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#149197Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:29:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149197Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana Hey !- !! !! !! !!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! Have a nice day. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#149555Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:149555Lee in MVBob fro Pheonix - if you were looking for the "Bush is a good president" blog, you ARE lost....SUSAN - TRY, just TRY to figure out there are two different people at work here - "!" - who is what you say he is, and "!!" (TWO EXCLAMATION POINTS). You really disappoint me, after I've already patiently explained it to you once.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150027Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:36:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150027Tony, Fort Myers, FLJIrby, quite an astute, sophisticated response, wow, I only wonder at how high your IQ must be!! Seriously though, there seems to be zero response when a legitimate, logical statement is made that is not just a complete agreement with the leftist bickering on this blog. Bob, Phoenix pointed out that the President has every right to send off any of these prosecutors whenever and for whatever reason. Why are we not focusing on true issues, like the democrats stalling the funding of soldiers (like my brother) that are proudly (yes, some of us are proud not ashamed to be American as many of you have said on this blog) serving our country in Iraq to help them establish a democracy as so many countries stepped out to help us a short 200 years ago.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150085Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:42:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150085Becky fr WyomingThe President and his men is becoming such a joke to Americans and to the world. The scary thing is that even if a Special Proscecutor is asssigned to investigate the disappearance of these E-mails, Bush has stacked the proscecutors in his favor. So will we get a fair investigation by any Special Prosceutor that is in this Justice Department? Bush is so corrupt and he and his men laugh at us all. He has no respect for his office and I for one would be happy if this Congress started the Impeachment process. Bush will go down as the most corrupt president in American History.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150087Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:47:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150087Rodney, Rita returnee, lake charles, laI'm not witch hunting. One does not have to be hunting to stumble over the trash left on the trail by this cohort of calculating, carnivorous cretins. Obfuscate the truth with a Hill/Bill parade of transgressions that upset your version of moral sensibilities if you like, but with all the "failures" and "corruption" of the Clinton admn. several glaring differences are noted. The constitution was not shredded. Personal liberties were not infringed upon by our own government. Trillions in our taxes are being squandered on a centuries old squabble. Thousands of people are being injured and killed. Korean counterfitters are getting their money back because the stalwart man of Texas blinked and caved under emotional blackmail of would-be nukes. Yup, that really compares to a failed real estate deal and lying about consensual oral sex. And finally, does the phrase "must not enter into any involvement or behavior the can BE PERCIEVED as having a conflict of interest" mean anything to any astute legal ethics scholar?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150317Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:19:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150317Randall Walters St Paul MNThank you Mr. (!) for adding to the chiken coop with your dillusional rightist crap. But here's the point: Neocons like you are at a disadvantage in that you have nothing but brainstem function. It's therefore unlikely you'd recognize a fact if you saw one. Doubtless you're still looking for weapons of mass distraction? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150318Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:20:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150318Randall Walters St Paul MNThank you Mr. (!) for adding to the chiken coop with your dillusional rightist crap. But here's the point: Neocons like you are at a disadvantage in that you have nothing but brainstem function. It's therefore unlikely you'd recognize a fact if you saw one. Doubtless you're still looking for weapons of mass distraction? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#150378Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:41:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:150378Spud Kendrick St Pete FlBush and company are incapable of telling the truth. Must be a trait associated with the Repuglican party. (their motto: FOR THE RICH, BY THE RICH). http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151047Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:48:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151047Lee in MVSorry Susan in Nebraska - that was a different Susan I took through the 1 Vs. !! deal..... For the 1,000,00th time, right wing lock-steppers - a justice department tuned for political operations is BAD FOR ALL AMERICANS. Remember that "impartial justice" jazz? A politically motivated, ideologically-driven court system is how people like Stalin maintain an air of legitimacy. But then, a lot of people loved Stalin, too.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151226Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:24:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151226Jim, Santa CruzThe film on Bush's primary campaign in 2000 shown this weekend on MSNBC really brought things into focus for me. His west Texas country manner mixed with the seemingly sincere religious convictions completely suckered into his tent half of the American public. Watching the film you can see he's relaxed and personable, and it's easy to see how he got in position to be appointed president. He's all style and little substance. This leads me to conclude that the problems we have are chiefly due to Rove, Cheney and all the other neocons and religious fanatics in the west wing.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151541Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:34:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151541Lee HolmesThis ''old stuff'',Bob,is a portion of a very new threat.Kay,ElBaradei,and Blix are all worried that a nuclear device,even that atop a missle will be 'detonated in our lifetimes'in order to kill large numbers of people,and it will eminate from a rogue regime such as an Iran,which has the capabilites that the NKs,Paks,Indians,and Chinese have because it came from America first.An entire world is destabilized due to the actions of a president and campaign contributors.Iraq,Bush,Cheney will come and go.The ICBMS and their increased capabilities will remain.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151711Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:53:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151711jtb"it all depends upon what the definition of "is" is." ".. well. I really can't remember." ".. I never had sexual realtions with that woman." Ah, such convenient short memories, saves everyone from the truth. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151740Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:04:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151740Lee in MVThank God jtb was here to point out, once again, "It's Clinton's fault." THAT sure saves a lot people from the truth.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#151828Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:35:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:151828jtbMissed the point, Lee. your concrete ideation is showing. It's called HYPOCRISY: not appling the same yardstick or standards to each Presidential administration: giving one (and his wife) a pass, and crucifying the another. Either condemn both , according to the alleged crimes of lying, deceit, and obsfuscation, OR give BOTH a PASS. Why in God's name is that so hard for Libs to comprehend? P.S.: to refresh your memory, the Libs and the Democrats and the Liberal media, gave the Clintons, Berger, and Reno, a pass, in spite of Republican political machinations.. Hey, let the Dems in congress subpoena every scrap of paper in GW's administration. Hypocrisy is what it is: pretending it doesn't apply will not change the character flaw. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#152074Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:08:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:152074Lee in MVNo jtb - YOU miss the point and concrete idealism sure seems an operative concept. You want to go on and on about 1994 and ignore what goes on today. Why in God's name is it so hard for Bush republicans to understand that? Clinton was impeached - remember? You want to pillory one and excuse the other, when the one you want to excuse is a war criminal and a traitor. Good choice.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#168850Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:08:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:168850Bill BaileyKarl Rove along with our president and many republicans in our government are all memebers of satanic cults including "skull and bones secret society" and "the bohemian grove". They fooled all the right wingers and the naive republicans, they are doing satans' will and evil bidding and are destroying our country, when will America wake up and realize that the powers of darkness are very real and are working at the highest levels of our own government. In the bible, the appostle Paul warns us in Ephesians 5:11 "take no part in the fruits of darkness, rather reprove them". by supporting this corrupt, imcompertent, evil administration, that's exactly what the religious right is doing and the sad part is, they have no idea that our president is a satan worshiper. A wolf in sheeps clothing, the bible claerly warns us of these kind of people, claiming to be christians, but we would know them by thier friuts. I have to say that the fruits of this administration smell pretty roten just like the place they will spend eternity.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#200329Wed, 23 May 2007 05:50:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:200329D. WillardSecret societies offer no more shelter for those in power to collude than do public spaces. The elite will always find places to collude with eachother whether it's at the Bohemian Club, Skull & Bones, etc. "Secret" societies are harmless and do not provide new avenues or opportunities for those who wish to consolidate or maintain power. This is not meant as a defense to the elite but rather to the clubs who simply embrace the right to private assembly.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/13/146907.aspx#232265Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:53:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:232265M. How is this the only story on msn, and why is this not the number one story in the nation? Justice no longer exists in this country, and it isn't even the top story. MSN look at how many people took time to reply to this story, and then look at how many replied to your "top stories". What's up? This story is not even covered in the politics headlines. How is that?