http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx From NBC's Ken StricklandWithout acknowledging his comments yesterday when he said the "war is lost," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said President Bush and his allies "attacked those of us with courage to ask the tough questions and tell the truthen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161786Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:01:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161786Jim DwyerThe Iraq "war" is like a sporting event to the GOP. It doesn't matter how you play the game, but just whether you win or lose. And to lose is awful because what you really lose is face, forget the lose of thousands of dead troops and thousands more maimed. They are merely the players in the game and can always be replaced. The GOP wants more war. Wouldn't it be grand if all those who want this war were drafted and put on the front lines? Then we could bring our regular troops home for a much needed rest. Go for it!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161793Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:08:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161793Gary Schear, Bozeman MontanaIt is WAY pas time for people like Reid to stop apologizing for telling the truth. He should have came out today and upped the ante. The Democrats need to stop letting the Republicans frame the discussion. It is time to call a moron a moron...to his face.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161794Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:09:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161794rodeo, ellensburg, wa Gen. Petraeus is on record as stating there is no military solution for Iraq, just an Iraqi political one. There IS a REAL war, and our way of life is at risk. It's between Islamic fundamentalist heretics and democracy. However we came to be involved in Iraq, and I think the Bush Administration has bungled both the reason for Iraq and the execution of the "war" we need strong troops and united public opinion and sacrifice to defend against the REAL war. Being pinned down and bleeding in Iraq is precisely what Al-Quaida wants. And, if we leave without victory, we WILL embolden the real enemy. Quagmire, anyone? There's been a fairly balanced (for them) PBS series called "America at the Crossroads' and I was struck by a statement from an Imam who (basically) said that " Democracy and Islam cannot coexist. A democracy decides by the people's opinion. In Islam, God decides and He does not need the people's opinion." Somebody smarter than the current Administration needs to come up with a solution, quick. Is Reid right? The Iraqis have to solve their own problems; bigger ones loom for us.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161817Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:26:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161817Rick, GermayFor giving aid and comfort to the enemy you are hereby convicted of treason.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161844Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:49:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161844Taxpayer/VoterI support our troops, however, funds need to be cut to end this war. The President thinks he's king and he's not.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161847Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:55:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161847Dave, Dayton, OhioWell, at least he is now saying that we can win this war. Oh wait. Nope. Again, he cannot bring himself to say that we must, or even we can, win this war. The closest he came was to say "to successfully end this war." What that means is to surrender in style. Senator Reid needs to resign his leadership position. If Trent Lott has to stand down for his comments, going on the Senate floor as the leading Democrat and saying that this war is lost should be grounds for resignation.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161852Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:00:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161852Dave M., Miamisburg, OHWay to go Harry Reid. You're doing well. Keep it up. This is exactly what the Legislative Branch is supposed to do: keep the Executive Branch in line when they clearly have drifted wayward.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161857Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:03:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161857Marc Michaels, Macedonia, OhioHe said we lost...pure an simple....he said WE LOST! There is no excuse for that. Now Senator Reid is acting like a small child would when caught misbehaving...he's shifting the blame to everyone but himself. I'm afraid this country has very little hope when childish, immature people like Sen. Harry Reid are not only elected, but put into positions of power.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161874Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:18:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161874eversonReid, the old treasonous crook, should resign his position and return his swinish corpus to Nevada. The people of nevada need him, America does not.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161875Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:21:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161875Christy Adams, Albuquerque, NMWhat Harry Reid did is treason. He MUST resign, or we MUST impeach him! How dare he say something so offensive and dangerous. Our troops are going to die because he's just encouraged terrorists from around the world to celebrate that they have defeated America!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161876Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:22:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161876bored with dem"an effort to shift attention from this Administration's failed policies" Only heard that one about 1000 times in the last year. Mean while we're still waiting for that better way to make a change for a new direction. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161892Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:40:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161892Scott in South TexasWas it Copernicus that was prosecuted for saying the Earth is round? All Reid did is state the obvious. This "war" was "lost" before it started.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161937Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:24:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161937Gary Schear Bozeman MontanaChristy Adams--Our troops are going to die and have died because of the incompetence of the President of the United States and his Administration. When he let Osama Bin Laden go in Tora Bora, HE committed treason! When his Administration released the name of a covert CIA agent during time of War for political reasons THEY committed treason! When that COWARD of a "President" prolonged this mistake for the sake of his own vain legacy He committed treason again! The "President" and all of his "men" MUST resign or be impeached! I can yell as loud as you can and I will! The divisions that this imbecile has created are deep and may be permanent. The damage to this country may be irreparable.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161943Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:27:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161943R.Merrell, Vietnam VetPerhaps a little less caffeine, Christy. Unfortunately, it appears you "misspoke" in charging Senator Reid with treason. Many, many americans (68%+) are quite sure you actually meant Bush and Cheney MUST be impeached. Must have been a typo.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161945Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:28:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161945James Evermore, Ely, NVReid is nothing but a stick, a reed, or more appropriately conceptualized, an empty shaft stuck in a swamp of treason, treachery, and national transgressions. Off with the small bird head of this banty rooster. As least recall this jerk so that he might spend his last sordid days with his relatives in a windowless, rodent infested trailer in Searchlight, NV. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161952Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:40:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161952KathrynWhy doesn't someone point out to Mr. Bush that HE'S the one who is causing the delay in funding the troops due to his stubbornness? A majority of Americans want this war over, so he's the one holding up the passage of the bill that will grant the funding. I'm tired of hearing him say it's the Democrats. And by the way, the Republicans will still think we're winning the war when we're forced to fight our way OUT of Iraq. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161954Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:42:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161954David W, San Diego, CAReid says what is obvious to all but some Americans who have neither the intellect nor the courage to stand up and advocate for the truth. Those who suffer the most are our children, who are fighting and dying under the malfeasance of the worst leadership in American history. I hope Reid is only the first of many...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161956Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:44:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161956Glenn Jacoves, Buena Vista, Colorado"For giving aid and comfort to the enemy you are hereby convicted of treason." I agree, lets charge the President and Vice-President with treason for creating more terrorists, giving comfort to the enemy by helping them recuit, and for making us less safe in this world. Being the police, in the middle of a foreign civil war, is no place for our brave men and woman.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161961Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:51:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161961Nick A. (IL)I say...Give'em hell Harry! And for everyone here mentioning the word treason. Get a grip. Sharing your opinion in not treason. Saying we have a failed policy or lost the war is not treason. Questioning the intelligence of our leadership given the state of the Iraq War is not treason. I also find it ironic that those who stake claim to having true "American" values (that's you Christy Adams, Everson and Rick) have the a fundamental lack of understanding of our government. If you have a HS diploma, you must have had a class on American Government and you would realize the constitution does not have a clause for the impeachment of a senator. Not to mention the one place in America that free speech is absolutely free (no prosecution for slander, hate speech or inciteful speech) is on the floor of the U.S. Congress. If Harry Reid wanted to yell "Fire" on the floor of the Senate or call George Bush a felon, he could without consequence. If you claim to be American, understand what it takes to be an American. The GOP, George Bush and the rest of the wingnuts here don't have the market cornered on that definition. Grow up.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161962Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:54:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161962Michael Hatten, Gaston, OregonWe can't win in Iraq because we aren't Iraqis. Sunnis or Shiites or Kurds or some combination of the above will eventually win in Iraq. America will be remembered as just one more cruel and heartless invader in the 5,000 year history of the fertile crescent. So what is victory? Our side (whoever that is) wins and we continue our defacto occupation from permanent bases on Iraqi soil? The oil companies win and continue to profit from obscene production sharing agreements? The blame for losing (whatever that is) gets shifted to the Democrats in time for the '08 elections? Just what is it? In the meantime the death count rises and US moral authority falls. There is no victory - just loss. We must leave now. m http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161965Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:58:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161965Adam Ziegler, Columbus OhioHarry and the other opposition members in congress should be MORE agressive in calling for an end this tragic, pointless waste of lives and treasure. There will always be authority-worshiping wingnuts as in this thread and elsewhere who will go along with anything their Dear Leader tells them to, despite whatever values they may claim to uphold. The only appopriate response is to call them out for what they are: hypocrites, liars or simply weak-minded fools. Cheney can lie as much as he wants, but Iraq had no involvement in September 11th. Al Queda was not in Iraq until we went there. Breaking our miltary and wrecklessly discarding our influence and relationships with our allies was exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do. If anyone has betrayed his country, it is Bush.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161971Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:02:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161971Ken, Seattle WAThings just keep looking worse for the republicans these days don't they? I watched a kid break a lamp at a store the other day. That kid amediately pointed at his brother and said "he did it". That's going to be the republicans when this is over with. Iraq is going to be another American loss, not dissimilar to Vietnam, and it is going to be the republicans pointing at the democrats. I can already see it happening here today. Of course they are going to look stupid doing it, because everybody knows who's to blame.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161975Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:06:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161975BobReid is NOT "telling the truth". He is spouting treasonous garbage as a disgusting political move to get a Democrat in the White House. He does NOT care for the troops or the USA. He cares for his own power and the Democratic Party - nothing more. THIS IS TREASON.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#161978Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:13:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:161978Adrian Liston, SeattleBush started the war, Bush lost the war. Why is it treason for someone to admit that Bush lost the war? It isn't like Reid said he wants to war to be lost, he simply admitted the painful truth that Bush's inept management has already lost it, and soldiers and Iraqis are still dying because Bush can't admit it is all over. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162049Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:58:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162049Jim Frego, Grants Pass, ORFirst there was the GREAT WALL OF CHINA. Then there was the ROMAN WALL In GREAT BRITON. Then there was the BERLIN WALL. Then there was the GREAT US|MEXICAN WALL and NOW we have the GREAT WALL OF BAGHDAD. April 20, 2007 U.S. soldiers are building a three-mile wall to protect a Sunni Arab enclave surrounded by Shiite neighborhoods in a Baghdad area “trapped in a spiral of sectarian violence and retaliation,” the military said. They said the concrete wall, including barriers as tall as 12 feet, “is one of the centerpieces of a new strategy by coalition and Iraqi forces to break the cycle of sectarian violence” in Baghdad. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18227048/ I do not recall ANY of the previous Walls solving ANY problems. This is GREAT GENERAL PATRAEUS' plan to WIN THE "WAR" in Iraq? Nah, it could not be his idea it must of come from the Greatest Military leader of all time: GEORGE W. BUSH This is our TAXPAYERS MONEY AT WORK? I guess to Moat they started building in September of 2006 did not work out well. The new plan was to secure Baghdad by encircling it with a MOAT. This was supposed to keep the bad guys out. Our GI's have been manning backhoes and bulldozers since last July. I thought that the Kings in Castles found out that MOATS did not work around 1400 A.D. How many millions did this MOAT cost the US taxpayers? Gimme a break! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14847580/ Jim Frego Grants Pass, ORhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162054Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:02:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162054A. lopesIMPEACH THE LYING SOB ALREADY!!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162060Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:05:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162060A. lopesNo one died when Clinton lied. Has bush killed enough inocent Iraqi women and children yet. IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162070Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:13:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162070Lew, Vancouver, WashingtonSenator Reid said the Iraq War is Lost! He further clarifies it as there must be a Political end, a Diplomatic Solution. To acheive a 'Diplomatic' solution, give and take is involved, negotiating and giving up something. Okay, Senator Reid, please tell us all just what it is we should give up to Terrorists to achieve a lasting peace? Iraqi oil fields? Israel? Our Second Amendment Rights? Just exactly what should Americans give up to acheive this solution?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162081Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:50:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162081Frances Larsen, Newcastle, WAI am not being facetious. I am not trying to bait anyone. I am not trying to put anyone on the spot. Many on these message boards say you cannot negotiate with a terrorist--all they understand is force. So, does anyone have an idea of how the US should end this war? We could double or triple the number of troops. But that would mean reinstating the draft, because our present military is spread too thin to continue the way we are. Some GIs will say they don't want to serve alongside a draftee, but draftees fought well and honorably in WWII. I have heard that the quickest way to defeat an enemy is to demoralize him, so we could destroy the mosques. Or we could demonstrate we mean business by pulling our troops back from a chosen city and bombing it to the ground (ala Dresden, Germany). Or as a last resort, we could use an A bomb. This would not only stop the war in its tracks, as it did WWII, but would make it clear to Iran that even though they develop a nuke bomb, we have more of them than any other nuke-armed nation. Some people who post on these message boards seem to be knowledgeable, and they post intelligent responses to others' question, but, although many say the US must win in Iraq, no one has offered a workable strategy on exactly how to accomplish this. There must be options other than those mentioned above. I'd sincerely like to read others' solutions. Not just opinions, but honest-to-God workable solutions. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162107Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:51:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162107ghowell1@bellsouth.netAs long as we don't say we lost, I guess we win. So, let's do like Britain did. Let's leave and say we won. The Bush administration couldn't say enough about how wonderful it was that the British left. Let's just say we won. Will that do? Won't everyone be happy then?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162160Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:52:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162160Richard Downey, Flagstaff, AZFor those who fail to acknowledge that the war in Iraq is truly, now a civil war and still support the Bush policy, I say have you even given any non partisan consideration to the facts? Did the 911 murders come from Iraq? No, they came from Syria via Afganistan! Do you still believe there are WMD's in Iraq? Then why haven't we been able to find them? Have you thought about the fact that while we are trying to stand between two waring tribes in Iraq, the Talaban is reclaiming Afganistan! Are you able to think at all outside the misrepresentations of G.W.Bush and his staff of "advisors"? Is your brain able to look at the facts and still come to the conclusion that democracy will work in a country which is now dedicated to their vision of a God who demands that their faith and salvation is ensured by killing the infidels? Please, please people, open your God given minds and THINK! The Bush vendetta must be ended, and the people of Iraq allowed to form the kind of government that suits them best! These childern of Allah do not think the way we do, but at least some of them are able to think! After all our country didn't come to any kind of stability without a civil war. What makes the Bushies think that we can shove democracy down their throats. What works for us doesn't necessarily work for them! Hear this, they don't think as we do!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162184Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:59:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162184Utahreb, Veyo, UTTwo months into the "surge" and 194 troops killed. Bush said "We have seen some of the highest casualty levels of the war" and then goes on to say "....we can expect THE PATTERN TO CONTINUE." So look for more casualties, more wounded in the months to come, according to the barstool pilot. He acts like he is playing with toy soldiers, not men and women who have families, dreams and hopes. But then, since his daughters are not patriotic enough to volunteer to fight in daddy's war, he has nothing to lose.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162217Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:55:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162217bluestatekenYes...Reid did not state anything that wasn't already included in the Iraq Study Group report. Impeach him?.....for what? You have a COMPLETE moron at the top, in W. and his partner, Dickless Cheney. They need impeached and immediately.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162239Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:42:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162239Lee in MVSo now the right wants an impeachment for speaking the truth? What's the matter, everson? Couldn't find anyone getting bj? rick? You're a law unto yourself, now? "The war is lost, under the so-called leadership of PRESIDENT Drunken Monkey." Am I now "convicted of treason"? Jeez - four years of illegal war and the right wing calls the truth-teller "treasonous." You right wing nuts sure take yourselves seriously over all the wrong issues. Galileo was a put under house arrest for saying there was any such thing as a vacuum. It looks to me like the Bush Republicans have replaced the vacuum left by the Catholic church for persecuting anyone who doesn't toe the ideological mark. Let's have an Inquisition, you guys!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162253Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:38:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162253BrandonYou right wingers are starting to get pretty radical. I pray none of you get ahold of explosives!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162257Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:54:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162257Dorothy"We're lost...but we're making excellent time."--Punchline of a funny jokehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162281Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:19:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162281Still Crazy After All These Years"One of America's great national pastimes is poisoning rain Acting insane inflicting pain" Americas Great National Pasttime-The Byrdshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162294Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:04:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162294Scott, Mo.Define Inquisition; Severe Questioning? Inquiry? What?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162307Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:11:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162307Jan B. Tucson Go back to the Senate floor and this time Senator Reid, start telling the blunt, unvarnished, plain-speaking truth; Bush, Cheney, Rummie, Condi, Hadley, et al need a Bill of Impeachment on the House floor for incompetent leadership, high crimes of stupidity, lying, deceiving, falsifying and taking the US into a war of conquest. Tell them Senator Reid that their false accusation of not supporting the troops is their position, not any others. Tell them about the lack of personal armor, tell them about the unarmored Hummers STILL sitting in Kuwait waiting for the armor plates, tell them about the unarmored supply trucks in daily convoys, tell them about the combat damaged equipment STILL unrepaired and the last GOP Congress NOT funding the repair bill of 19 Million dollars, but instead appropriating 20 MILLION dollars for a 'Victory' celebration, tell them about the units that rotate out leaving their equipment for their replacements because it was not issued to them before they arrived in Iraq AND tell them that even in the face of all else, the military is still spending BILLIONS on a Space Missile Defense System that has not shot down a single Damned thing! Then after that laundry listing, Ask pointedly, Now, President Bush, who is 'REALLY' not supporting out troops? Then tell them that you are asking for a Bill of Impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors and if you want to push the envelope, ask for a bill appointing a Special Prosecutor to investigate the actions of this administration in starting, continuing and mismanaging this FUBAR effort and investigate possible criminal acts, and illegally suspending Constitutional protections for Americans and violating their civil rights. That’s what you need to say; stop being a wimpy apologist, call the dumb ba*ta*d a liar! THEN PROCEED WITH THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. When that is accomplished, indict Chimpo and Shooter, give’em a fair trial, then hang the guilty crooks and proceed with forfeiture of his and Cheney’s ill-gotten gains and apply it directly to the national DEFICIT. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162310Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:30:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162310JIrby, Colorado SpringsCorrection, we didn't lose. Bush lost. But like Osama, he doesn't have enough lives to pay for his crime. Neither do the simple fools who voted for him.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162339Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:50:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162339js flaWon what? What is it we will be winning? We are way done in Iraq and yes folks, WE HAVE LOST THIS MESS WE STARTED!! Now little monkey Bush wants to lose the war AND embarrass us further.We are spending all our countrys money and resourses on this disaster that Bush created! He cares NOTHING about our troops at this point- only about his own legacy and political standing, which is crapola.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162475Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:26:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162475Dorothy"I did not expect the Spanish Inquisition."...."Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"--From Monty Pythonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162484Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:49:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162484Dorothy"Have you heard about the lonesome loser? He's a loser but he'll still keep on tryin'...."--Little River Bandhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162488Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:13:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162488Lee in MVYou know - an Inquisition - where everyone suspected of not "thinking right" is tortured until they "confess," and confessing early doesn't do you any good. C'mon- you know - where in the name of all that's right and pure tongues are pulled out and rectums spread with expanding mechanical devices to put everyone on the proper path - Bush good. War good. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162508Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:24:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162508Frances LarsenOK, folks, lots of talk but no answers to the question I posed on April 20. HOW do we get out of Iraq with dignity and with the least loss of lives (our military and Iraqi civilians)? Impeaching the main players of either party will not get the US out of Iraq. (While impeachment proceedings are ongoing, more people will die in the war.) One option I didn't mention in my previous post--talk with Russia and the UK; perhaps they will tell us what they did wrong when fighting in the same region in the previous century. BTW, I do not personally advocate the solutions in this or the previous post. I threw them out to move the board dialogue from negative unproductive name-calling to hopefully positive productive ideas on how to end the war. Apparently, no one has any? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162519Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:35:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162519VickiAwesome comments from the people and party with sense. In case you don't know, when Clinton had troops anywhere, the republicans couldn't yell to get them outta there louder. Now, while this moron and his henchmen have demolished our military and smeared our reputation in the world, the republicans look like total fools for voting for any and every illegal step he takes. That is why they lost in 2006 and why they will lose in 2008. I look forward to their defeat.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162523Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:45:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162523Joe Brignoli, Palm Harbor, FLNone of the current liberals have the first clue about geo-political events, or military matters. WE NEVER INTENDED TO LEAVE IRAQ! 62 years after V-E Day we still have a whole armor corps based in Germany. Almost 61 years after WWII ended we are in Japan. 109 years after the end of the Spanish American War we still have a base in CUBA, Guantanamo Bay (Gittmo)! We've been in Saudi Arabia since Aug. 2nd, 1990, and Kuwait since February 1991! I can go on and on.Why is it the default position of the ignorant liberals and a few so-called "moderates" that we NEED to leave Iraq? Iraq is THE central front in the war on terror, and you want to concede it to the enemy, even though the troops WANT to be there. It’s an all volunteer military, and nearly everyone had a choice to reenlist or join since AFTER the invasion. Now I know why only 9-11% of the current US Military votes democrat. I met only 2 liberals when I was in the service. I thought it was a BRILLIANT military strategy, to invade Iraq after Afghanistan.... Look at a map for God's sake. Creating a democracy in the HEART of the Middle East - the land of Mesopotamia, the Garden of Eden - creates a land void of Wahhabbism and state controlled media that preaches violence and propaganda against the infidel. It's going to take a full generation, 20 years or more to start to fully work, but it no doubt will. In the short term it will deny the enemy a safe haven backed with state funds from oil proceeds. And immediately, it GUARANTEED that Sadaam would never again attempt to produce or acquire WMDs. We knew the terrorists will follow us wherever we go. We knew they would regroup and flock to us as partisans. Afghanistan is the most inhospitable place on the planet to defend territory. It goes from 110 to below freezing in 24 hours, with arid deserts and elevations regularly above 16,000 ft., has millions of places to hide, and gives the advantage to smaller, more mobile forces (ie. small groups of poorly organized jihadists.) It was time to open a 2nd front. HERE's the problem. Bush CANNOT go on TV and say, "We want to lure our enemies into a land in which we can slow-bleed the enemy on favorable terrain. We want to change the face of the Middle East, and create democracies in the 3 main sponsors of terror, that happen to border Iraq: Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia." WE WOULD LOSE ALL SUPPORT in the Arab world if he said that! It's a delicate balance, but Bush chose to bite his tongue, and take a massive poll hit to save national security. THAT is a leader. Isn't it blatantly obvious that the democrats stand to lose politically if we WIN? They don't even try to hide it anymore. So it shouldn't surprise you that EVERY single "TROOP WITHDRAWAL DEADLINE" that dems have proposed is scheduled for BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION! (14 in all.) They know they are considered “soft” and “weak” on national defense. That is their strategy to win back the white house, and they do not care about the consequences. A win in Iraq, or an attack on Iran would destroy all that. What Democrat Senate leader Harry Reid did was treasonous. Did anyone watch Al-Jazeera today? Talk about giving aid and comfort to our enemies... From Cairo to Kandahar, Islamic Extremists are celebrating in the streets, and terror cell leaders are using it as proof that Bin Laden was right… America will cut and run after only 3.000 casualties. Ask you grandfathers how many Americans died on D-Day. Ask a police officer how many murders there are in Philly, DC, or Chicago each year. How about some historical, logical prospective? End of rant. Do what you want. I say Reid (D) must resign, or should be arrested for Treason. He is the current Baghdad Bob, Tokyo Rose, and Neville Chamberlain all in one embodiment. OUR way of life WILL be affected by what we do... more than you may know. Joe Brignoli joeybrignoli@aol.com http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162583Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:37:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162583Lee HolmesReid is an opportunistic idiot who is being deranged by the fact that he can do nothing in the Senate,and his hypocrisy knows no bounds.In berating the USSC ''banning''of late-term abortion[they did no such thing.The AP,and their pals over at the New York Times need to get their semantic s..t together as it was Congress who created this ban,not the high court,and it was Reid who voted for it],in swiping New Orleans levee dough for Vegas Corps of Engineer projects,in running a real-estate satrapy with his two sons where Reid has pocketed millions,and now with this latest bit of sagebrush theater which has been eagerly aired on every major Moslem station in the Middle East.Morons like Reid[whose support in his native Nevada is on the ropes already],who pontificate on ''realities'',should be prepared to accept the consequences of their own interpretation of these realities.Namely,that Reids ''diplomacy''will work where military force will not.Very well.Yet what have recent Democrat forays into ''diplomacy''accomplished?Not very damned much.While Pelosi was leaving her ''road of peace''in Damascus,The UN Sec.General Ki-Moon nailed Assad with photographs clearly showing illegal arms shipments to HEZBOLLAH across the Lebanese border at the same time Pelosi was in Syria,in direct violation of the cease-fire accords reached with Israel and UN Resolution 1701.Nearly as bad,its sham elections with little to no comment by Jimmy Carter are reaching their climax with the predictable result.Assad remains Dictator For Life,with all of the misery that this will cause for his own people,and those of surrounding nations. Meanwhile,Democrat Majority Leader Hoyer stopped in Cairo to meet with the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood.By the time that the departing congressmans jet vapour-trails had disappeared over the Med Sea,its leader Muhammed Imaghi-Akef was calling for holy war ''against the US and the Zionist''.al Qaedas movement into Gaza has this guys fingerprints all over it,as HAMAS is a branch of the Brotherhood and Akef has been seeking stronger ties with the Wahabbist terrorists.Dems are now being gulled by the 'moderate'image of HAMAS,that speaks in clipped English tones picked up from stints at Princeton and Eton,dresses in western suits,and apparently [rightly,if it is the Democrats we are talking],believes that this is all that is needed in order to get the West,led by Bush,to cave in and begin sending the Palis dough again that will not end up in the hands of those who wear Saville Row suits,or even ordinary Palestinians where it would belong,but into the hands of terrorists,and kaffedah-wearing bunco artists of the Arafat stripe.Herein lay the crux to the problem.Bush has created a genuine mess in Iraq,complete with 'Halliburton'spectacles of excess.[Bear in mind that Bush critic George Soros has made millions off of Halliburton,while Bush,to be fair,has not earned a cent, and that Democrats such as Reid,Pelosi and Feinstein have cashed in on companies engaging in war profiteering in Iraq.www.opensecrets.org or The Center for Responsive Politics,a non-partisan political money watchdog for more on these bi-partisan shenanagins].Yet the Democrats are equally clueless as to what to accomplish in the Middle East,worse,they seem to willfully seek a nearly Chamberlain-like groveling in the face of arrogant jihadist dictators,as if[as we saw in Cairo and Damascus],this will do any good.There seems to be no place that they will not prostrate themselves.In America,they hang with CAIR allies.In Europe,they seek the admission of a clearly radicalizing Turkey into the EU,and are ignoring the returning threat in the Balkans,caused by Islamics this time rather than Serbs.In the Middle East,their policy positions are opposed by a clear majority of US soldiers serving in the field[www.military.com,for the reams of abuse that are being showered upon Pelosi and Reid at this moment,by those of all branches serving in Iraq and Afghanistan],but are being praised by none other than FATAH,HAMAS,the Brotherhood,AL AQSAS and HEZBOLLAH who utilize American press-releases of the Reid sort to maximum effectiveness.These are not the kind of people one would want on their side,if you happen to be an American politician.Reid doesn't want anyone attacking his patriotism,but at the same time the guys best press in the Middle East is coming from the jihadis.These people actually consider the Democrats to be 'thoughtful and articulate'in their stated policies.We will see just how ''thoughtful''they are when Iran gets the Bomb,another war in Lebanon is fired up,or another portion of a major American or European city lies in smoking ruins. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162770Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:26:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162770JIrby, Colorado SpringsBob - if you think this is treason, just wait until '08 when we kick the rest of those Republican SOBs out into the street. Including everyone in the White House. Then, all you will have will be the Repub scumbags in the Supreme Court. It will take us longer to get them. But America's crooked rich thanks you for caring. Especially Halliburton. But I realize you are too dense to make the connection.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162875Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:52:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162875Independent TexasTo Mssrs. Brignoli and Holmes: While I certainly disagree with your opinions, I do appreciate that you cited specifics. IMO one of the worst things about Bush/Cheney is that they talk in "my way or your unpatriotic" terms. Mr. Bush could have stated any of the things you have said without putting us a more risk with MidEast countries than we already are. He has, in fact, talked about "breeding democracy". I think that you have probably given him too much credit about "taking a hit in the polls because he couldn't say what he wants to". I lived in TX while he was governor and I KNOW he really is as ignorant and unintelligent as he is portrayed to be. Thank you for at least giving some specifics to your support of the IRAQ situation. I see things differently but was interested in reading these points. If we spent more time discussing these positions rather than ranting and calling names maybe all of us could form our opinions with more knowledge and understanding.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#162914Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:09:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:162914OliviaLee Holmes--In your post you mentioned that Reid showed hypocrisy by, among other things, "swiping New Orleans levee dough for Vegas Corps of Engineer projects." I'd like to know more about this, like when did it happen--before or after Katrina?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#163023Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:58:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:163023KateIt's all about us, so far as the hawks are concerned. I'm sick and tired of hearing that phrase that goes "it's better we fight the terrorists there than here". Why? Because this great Christian nation has God on our side and no matter what we do it's ok? Bull! We made war on a country that was already suffering from having a violent and insane leader...Saddam. We were told there were WMDs there. We were told that they were part of 911. All lies. Now we've taken down Saddam and finally everyone with a brain knows that our administration was lying to us from the get-do about the WMDs, etc. We've killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq, and our presence has drawn the terrorists there and they've killed other innocents. We've lost over three thousand of our own young people. For what? So we can continue a never-ending war? The Russians almost destroyed their economy and their military fighting year after year in Afghanistan. We're on the road to doing the same. Mr. Reid is not a traitor. He's just telling the truth which is something that has rarely been heard in Washington since the Bush administration took office. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#163121Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:26:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:163121Scott in South TexasJoe Brignoli is right about one thing: bush and them never intend to leave Iraq. That country has not been liberated, it is being permanently occupied. Huge permanent bases are being built in Iraq, and our reasons for occupying Iraq have nothing to do with the lives or well being of the Iraqi people, or with "fighting terrorism". This is all part of the American Empire, intended to have troops, air bases and naval bases all over the world, forever, in furtherance of our imperial ambition. Or until the Empire collapses unpon itself in bankruptcy. Rome gave up democracy to keep its empire, while Great Britain gave up its empire to keep democracy. Which will it be for America, and which one do you think bush and them want?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#163418Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:27:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:163418Lee HolmesOlivia-Before and after,to the tune of nearly 1.6 billion dollars that were seized by lawmakers including Reid for porkbarrel projects back home.Reid took a 79.5 million dollar cut for CoE projects south of Las Vegas and in the Carson City area that were a portion of a stand-alone appropriations bill that was destined for New Orleans levee projects.Other pork included several million to the U of Nevada[Las Vegas] studies of seismic control,bird counting,and highway projects loosely tied to state water recreation in the form of boat ramps,road access,campgrounds and sanitary facilities.In addition,while never proven,Reid may have used federal monies for pet projects tied to real-estate speculation in the Vegas area which were in fact later purchased for private development by Reid campaign contributors including those with ties to the Mafia.[Los Angeles Times;''In Nevada,Reid Is The Name To Know''Archive Keyword:Reid,Harry]Vegas'paper of note,the Journal,is keeping track of further developments in this area.Reid tried to keep the lid on,but a March 2006 article by the AP tied to another release by Citizens Against Government Waste[www.cagw.org] found that Reid,as ranking member of the Senates powerful Water and Energy Appropriations Committee had grabbed over 83 million dollars over a two year period beginning in the summer of 2004 for porkbarrel projects back home,sliding money from underneath CoE levee projects in the New Orleans delta area.While GOP members racked up their share of pork,[New Mexicos Domenici and Mississippis Cochran chief among these],the top moneygrabbers during this critical period immediately before and after Katrina were Reid of Nevada and Byrd of West Va.It is thus hypocritical of Reid to blast the administrations response to that disaster while he played such an important role in seeing that needed money for New Orleans never made it there.['bird counting',indeed....]http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#163998Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:15:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:163998Russell in MarylandI agree with Joe Brignoli that the main reason (of many) that we went into Iraq was to establish a permanent base and that there was never any intention to get out of Iraq even after "winning." This gets far too little scrutiny by the media. But I have to disagree that this plan is "BRILLIANT" or in the best interests of America or Iraq. I also believe that the bases in Guantanamo, Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc need to eventually go. We need to bow out of the policeman of the world role which I would think true conservatives would support.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164033Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:22:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164033Big JohnCan you believe that hypothetical sh_t people are trying to lay on Reid in their comments for standing up and saying what the majority of voters want. Some mention him adding pork to the bill. The GOP is the undisputed King of adding pork to a bill for the wealthy, so those who talk about a Dem adding some pork are reaching. Treason - if you're labeling Reid with Treason for wanting to get our people out of Iraq, you better hand this administration a Treason charge for lying their way into Iraq. People who make these types of claims strike me as being awfully paranoid and tremendously shallow thinkers. Let's stop spending the lives of our youths so wastefully and Trillions of Dollars in the middle East and bring both back home where they belong. Put those arrogant asses who so boisterously speak of treason and pork in Iraq since they believe its the right thing to be doing. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164170Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:49:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164170Matt from TexasSeveral posters have asked for a workable solution. I think the only possiblity (and it's a slim one) is to partition Iraq into three separate countries: one for Sunnis, one for Shiites, and one for Kurds. All three of these groups carry grudges against one another that go back centuries. They hate each other, and nothing we can do will change that anytime soon. Modern Iraq was put together artificially following British occupation during World War I. The reason for Saddam Hussein was that only someone like that (a dirty, rotten, ruthless, murdering scumbag) could hold such a "country" together. Taking him out created a power vacuum which IMHO only another dirty, rotten, ruthless, murdering scumbag can fill. Better to partition the country and let each of the relatively homogeneous groups figure things out for themselves. Still have the big problem of how to divvy up the oil money. And Turkey (a major US ally in the region) will be royally pissed to have an independent Kurdish state on their border. It ain't gonna be easy... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164231Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:59:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164231Dogface Soldier, Ft. BenningIm so sick and tired of all these so called "I support the troops but I don't support what they are doing" people and their arm chair general tactics. Most of you dont know anyone in the military much less are affected in your day to day lives by the war. As a 3 tour veteran of Iraq I can tell you that all of the professional soldiers (not disgruntled Nationalguardsmen or Reservist because they are called up) do not appreciate your fair weather support. You constantly criticize our leader to which we take offense but yet you want us to see things as a liberal. This is the reason most in the military are republican. War is what we train for..point blank....not to sit back and play politics. Harry Reid should go to Iraq, see if the soldiers love him so...I think he would be in for a shock because they hear everything that is said.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164235Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:00:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164235Dogface Soldier, Ft. BenningIm so sick and tired of all these so called "I support the troops but I don't support what they are doing" people and their arm chair general tactics. Most of you dont know anyone in the military much less are affected in your day to day lives by the war. As a 3 tour veteran of Iraq I can tell you that all of the professional soldiers (not disgruntled Nationalguardsmen or Reservist because they are called up) do not appreciate your fair weather support. You constantly criticize our leader to which we take offense but yet you want us to see things as a liberal. This is the reason most in the military are republican. War is what we train for..point blank....not to sit back and play politics. Harry Reid should go to Iraq, see if the soldiers love him so...I think he would be in for a shock because they hear everything that is said.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164275Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:10:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164275John PetzBush wants us to stay there as long as it takes. But even his General Patreus has stated there is no military solution in Iraq. So why are we still in Iraq if a diplomatic solution is the only answer? In the meantime, our soldiers continue to die or be maimed for life with no change in the situation whatsoever. Its pure madness, very similar to the madness the U.S. displayed almost 40 yrs ago when Johnson "surged" our troops in the "Tet Offensive". It was the beginning of the death spiral that would engulf our best and brightest, culminating in 58,000 U.S. military killed in action. The reason it went on for so long was because we didn't want our reputation tarnished as the mighty, invincible U.S. military. All the military advisors knew Vietnam was a lost cause but fundamental human pride stood in the way of stopping the madness that consumed so many lives, including 2 million of the enemy. Under different policial circumstances, Bush woulod be facing impeachment proceedings. But the country does not want another round of impeachment after the Clinton saga, although to an independent observer, Clinton's lying about a consensual sexual affair comes no where close to an impeachable offense compared to taking the country to war when it was not necessary to do so. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164293Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:13:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164293Phil Arthur, Dallas, TXThe War on Terror requires a global swat team to find and liquidate terrorist training camps, and CIA infiltration of terrorists groups to determine their plans and activities. The Iraq War does not fit either. The Iraq War is neo-con nation building (destruction) and Bush's personal vendetta with Sadam. Support the troups: set a time table, get the troups out, let the civil war run it's course, the Bush administration take responsibility for their actions, and create/fund the real War on Terror strike forces.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164346Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:22:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164346Bob,Sarasota Fl.Why must it be the President and his politics vs the thoughts of the Democrats? Why not think of the Sons and daughters as well as their Familys,We are involved in a position controlled by big Business so let's get our Troops Home where they belong!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164357Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:24:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164357Patrick Mead, Las Vegas, NVReid is doing an excellent job doing exactly what the majority of Americans support. Bush and this war was a big mistake, but he is too proud & stubborn to admit it. Unfortunately, his arrogance is costing young men & woman their lives in Iraq and is accomplishing nothing.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164420Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:36:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164420al reyesI am truly tired of the White House and the Republicans in Congress use "Our Troops" to try to send the rest of us on guilt trip because we oppose the war. I do not! Repeat, DO NOT want to hear about "Our Troops" from those who sent them to be killed and maimed under false pretenses; from those who sent them to war on the cheap...without the proper equipment and training; from those who brought them back severely wounded and put them in Building 18 and finally, from those who have managed to practicall devastate the United States Army! If this is caring about our troops, these guys must be on drugs! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164424Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:36:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164424Sue F, Idaho Falls, IdHey, since Bush and his 37% of those right wing neocon, war mongers, seem to be the gang that couldn't shoot straight, i.e. Cheney, I will bet you half of those still supporting this invasion, I refuse to call it a WAR because in a WAR we have allies, we only attack those that attack us, this isn't the case with Iraq. They didn't attack us, and we all know the story of how we got over there, not the why's which we will learn years after Bush has left office, someone will finally cave and say that Iraq was planned way back in 98 and Bush and Cheney just needed an excuse to go in, 9-11 provided that. These people could care less about the Soldiers, I'm so sick and tired of these so called "patriots" accusing anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them that they are "traitors, cut and runners' etc. These people are talking "suits" who think because they are capable to stringing a sentence together, except for their idiot leader, that were all suppose to go along, well, I may be well over 50, but I can tell you this, you cannot put out a fire without water, and in the case of Iraq, we ran out of water long ago! I believe that recent polls show 69% of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, want us out of Iraq, What part of majority doesn't the President understand? Why do people keep saying the Democrats need to come up with a plan to get us out, Bush and Cheney took us in, I believe we need to begin Impeachment proceedings if they are going to continue to ignor their bosses! That's what happens to any of the rest of us, so to BUSH, CHENEY, ROVE, RICE, ET AL "YOUR FIRED! Nothing speaks more of patriotism then trying to avoid our military being killed, as apposed to using them as targets for Bush legacy!!! His legacy will be the biggest failure in history, there aren't enough military lives that will be lost that's going to change that fact! So, if Bush decided to veto the bill, then he's the one cutting off funds to the troops. I'm sure Rove and Cheney are busy down in the basement, burning papers and evidence of their wrong doing and all Bush can do is talk about "chicken plucking plants" what a maroon! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164453Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:42:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164453mark towers elyria, oh.this administration is a farce. this war is all about money and oil. halliburton, bush and cheney are all in it together. they keep trying to label anyone that speaks out against the war as a traitor, when in reality, they should be lauded as patriots. it is our constitutional duty to speak against this kind of subversive government. history will look back on this president and judge him harshly...as well it should. the only "surge" that is showing any progress is the "surge" at the gas pumps. a 33% increase in as many days. impeach bush and cheney NOW!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164460Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:44:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164460Daniel MarkowiczOur Brave American young men & women are dying everyday for nothing. The Dem's do support our troops and want them home safe. End this stupidity now. Harry Reid step it up a notch. Let's protect our Country at home not in Iraq. You can't protect your house if you we're in another city. Tighten up our borders and you'll see a safe America.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164472Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:46:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164472Lee HolmesBig John-Nonsense.Democrats, according to all independant watchdog sources neither tied to the right or the left[of which I have listed at least two],are the top pork Kings in America,with guys like Reid,Byrd,Inoye,and Conrad leading the pack.Think that Dems do not ''add pork for the wealthy''?Think again.DEL-WEBB is a multi-billion dollar real estate business which has staked out tens,even hundreds of millions in prime Vegas real estate,and this company has been a direct recipient of Reids pork.[indeed,one of his sons used to be a DEL-WEBB legal hired gun]. Reids other son Rory was given a slot in,of all places,Vegas'land development board.Thats how Reid was able to take a purple BALTIC property and turn it into PARK PLACE in less than two years.Obviously none of the above posts are based upon a ''hypothetical''situation.They are facts that are a portion of the public record and domain.Reids Iraq stunts cannot hold water when compared to the Tony Soprano schtick he and his family is pulling in Vegas.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164483Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:47:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164483PhilBBush keeps saying "Failure is not an option" in Iraq. The reply to this insane statement from W needs to be ..."but, Gerogie, we've already failed." http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164492Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:49:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164492mark towers elyria, oh.this administration is a farce. this war is all about money and oil. halliburton, bush and cheney are all in it together. they keep trying to label anyone that speaks out against the war as a traitor, when in reality, they should be lauded as patriots. it is our constitutional duty to speak against this kind of subversive government. history will look back on this president and judge him harshly...as well it should. the only "surge" that is showing any progress is the "surge" at the gas pumps. a 33% increase in as many days. impeach bush and cheney NOW!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164507Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:51:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164507Harold Blairsville P.A. If We do lose the war in Iraq I feel our Congress is to blame. You can not have two Partys running one Country and that is what Congress is trying to do.The war on terror has to be a Team of all. Please do not tie My Sons hands over there. Do any of the Congress have Sons or Daughters in Iraq. This a lot of us would like to know.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164600Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:08:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164600Jeanine, Las Vegas, NevadaSenator Reid's comment that the war is lost is the truth. It in no way was intended to disrespect the troops nor was it a slam on the courageous job they are doing every day. What Bush and his spin doctors are trying to convince the American people of is ridiculous and it is time for them to stop. Most everyone in Nevada and elsewhere support our troops not the Bush war. When is our President going to accept what the majority of Americans want? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164603Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:09:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164603rjmGreensboro,NCComment to Dogface - Just because you have trained to fight doesn't mean we have to be at war!Just because someone says Bush is Commander in Chief doesn't mean you have to believe his lies! Bush is making fools out of not only our country but our fighting forces and you einstein along with others buy into it. No wonder the world thinks were stupid! Stupid!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164607Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:09:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164607John BelongiSo let me get this straight... What Harry Reid has done is treason, yet what George W. Bush did, i.e. Lie to get us into a war, is NOT treason? You Right-Wingnuts sure do have an interesting sense of values.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164625Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:12:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164625Richard, BaltimoreThankfully Bush/Chaney is in the last throes of their incumbency! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164639Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:14:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164639rjmGreensboro,NCQuestion is! How do we get this wealth of support for Reaid to the chief moron and Cheney etc:It appears from the last six years they aren't capable of reading / thinking or representing the American people which is why they were hired. These morons work for us as in "We the People"! We must find a way to impeach them or we must do what everyone does not want to do and that is cut off funding for this debacle! PERIOD! Enough of Bush, his afmily, his freinds and all their crap!If Bush wants a legacy he has surpassed the moron in chief of all times - LBJ! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164733Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:32:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164733jeri smithAmericans'..... Just to let all of you know. There is a meeting on May 28th in Iraq with the three big oil companies, BP, Chevron and Exxon. I wonder what they'll be talking about? I wonder why we went to Iraq?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164745Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:35:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164745OliviaLee Holmes--Thanks for your response. I've lost all my respect for Harry Reid.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164801Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:45:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164801Charlie, Providence, RIIts amazing..we now have posters even claiming to know the secret thoughts of the President.. Joe in Florida..and using these secret thoughts..which are contrary to what he is actually saying.. he supports Bush! Some want to impeach Reed. Interesting since these same folks dont want to hold Bush accountable for the disaster he created. If finding WMDs and destroying them was the reason for the war then we have lost since there are none there. If denying a safe haven for Al Quida was the reason then we have lost. Al Quida was never there. If building a democracy in the Middle East was the goal..we lose again. If destroying the American military, ruining our name around the globe, killing thousands needlessly and tying us up in a no win situation was the goal, then I guess whoever's goal that was has won! ( Osama are you reading this?) You Bush lovers are absolute hypocrites if you dare tell me or anyone else on this board that if Clinton had done exactly the same thing you would not be calling for his impeachment and trial and worse! I cant deal with the hypocricy of all these Bush bots! These people are ruining America and you just dont want to admit you are wrong and the entire war was and is wrong...And now Bush is not going to withdraw primarily because he wants to hand off another of his many failures to someone else who will then take the blame when the entire situation collapses. We always hope that who ever is President will bring out the best in the US people.. Bush has clearly brought out the worst! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164802Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164802Jeff, Rhode IslandWhat do you call people who lie and spin information to start a war? What do you call people who out cia agents working for the security of the U.S.A. for political reasons? I CALL THAT TREASON!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164908Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:07:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164908Frances Larsen, Newcastle, WAMatt from Texas--FINALLY someone who offers a possible solution. I believe Sen Hagel is one who thinks along those lines--dividing Iraq into three manageable areas. As for the long posts by Lee Holmes and Joe Brignoli--interesting stuff and it appears to be factual. (Although how will anyone know, w/o a lot of digging into past history?) But all the rhetoric does not solve the problem facing the US at THIS time, unless you are correct in saying that the Admin had no plan to EVER leave the ME. If that is so, well, we do have a long way to go to match the deaths in Vietnam and the other wars. Which once again brings up the thought of reinstating the draft. Because, will the US be able to get enough volunteers to match the deaths in Vietnam? Perhaps so. When a GI is interviewed on the battle field, he always says he believes in what he is doing. Those who are wounded want to return. (A post from a GI on this board said much the same.) The families of those who died, say they are proud of their GIs, that they died doing what they thought was right. So, back from history, please Holmes and Brignoli, and to the present: If you are correct that the US will be in the ME for a long time, HOW do we accomplish that and still retain US dignity and HOW does the US repair its damaged image in the world community? There has to be something more concrete that "stay the course" or "bring the troops home". http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164936Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:13:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164936Martha Montoya, Phoenix, AZI believe it's time to bring the troops home. We have already spent over half a trillion dollars and the amount is rising daily . McCain said a U.S. pullout would cause "genocide." Excuse me, but what about the estimated 600,000 Iraq civilians that have already died because of this war? Cheyney and Bush should be impeached, they did not bring democracy to Iraq as they promised. They'rehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164952Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:16:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164952Bob, Mansfield, MACome 1.20.2009, let's deport Bush, Cheney, and their regime to Iraq. Better still, let's demand that they go to the front lines now and handle this war up close and personal. They wanted this war, they got their way, and they said "mission accomplished" on 5.1.2003. Gee, that's almost four years ago, isn't it?. Didn't we acconplish our mission in two world wars (against major powers) in less time? Perhaps they would be happier in Iraq, dressed in military garb for their photo ops. Just think how many of us would feel so much better and safer if they were there.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164968Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:19:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164968Martha Montoya, Phoenix, AZI believe it's time to bring the troops home. We have already spent over half a trillion dollars and the amount is rising daily . McCain said a U.S. pullout would cause "genocide." Excuse me, but what about the estimated 600,000 Iraq civilians that have already died because of this war? Cheyney and Bush should be impeached, they did not bring democracy to Iraq as they promised. They'rehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164974Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:20:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164974Dave M., Miamisburg, OHTo Dogface Soldier, Ft. Benning: I don't care if you and the other soldiers don't appreciate our "fair weather support." Your job, as a soldier, is to follow the orders set down by the commander and accomplish a mission. It's not your fault (or mine) that the Commander in Chief and his staff have put the military into a no-win situation where the military objectives have already been achieved and it's difficult to identifiy who the enemy is. If what we're doing in Iraq is so central to the overall war on terror, who is the enemy in Iraq that we're fighting? The Sunni insurgents? The Shia insurgents? Al Quaeda? You see, we can support the troops and have complete disdain for what they're being used for. The U.S. Military is not trained to act as babysitter, or referee in the midst of a civil war among three or four entities as each struggles to assume a position of power and influence. I don't think any of the players in the Iraq civil war even view the United States of America as their enemy. We're just in the way and getting our soldiers killed because of it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164978Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:21:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164978Mark, ARI'm really trying to understand where the Ultra-Right Wingnuts are coming from... trying to understand the mindset. This is what I have so far-- Grounds for Impeachment: 1) Getting a BJ and lying about it. (Clinton) 2) Claiming we have lost a war. (Reid--Yes, someone above ACTUALLY suggested we should impeach the leader of the senate. SEE CIVICS 101 to reference the stupidity of this assertion.) Grounds for Praise, and a 2nd Term: 1) Keeping hundreds of thousands of Americans in the middle of a thousand year ethnic conflict that now has erupted into a civil war in the hopes that we can secure reconstruction projects for Administration friendly contractors, and build US bases to ensure energy resources. Or, if those words are too big--"fight them there so we don't have to fight them here." (Bush) 2) Drain US financial resources into military spending and create a mound of debt that threatens the economic security of our children and grandchildren. (Bush, Reagan) OK... I get it now. If you do something that benefits yourself, you should be IMPEACHED. But if you do something that benefits yourself, and screws a bunch of other people in the process, you should be PRAISED. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#164983Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:22:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:164983lawton Springdale ar.Bob said Reid is just trying to get a democrat in the White House? BOB THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2009. COME OUT OF YOUR DREAM WORLD THAT SAYS THE REPUBLICS HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL. Martial Law is the only way the criminal right wing can keep control of America.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165004Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:26:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165004lawton Springdale ar.Harold you said we can't have two parties running one country. Where did you learn about democracy. what country have you been living in. Its apparent you think only the republics should be the only politicians running America? Thats a facist oligarchy!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165012Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:27:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165012MarkHarold- If you don't want your son's hands tied over there, then encourage the president not to veto funds for the troops. I'll repeat that... encourage the president not to veto funds for the troops. If the president signs the bill, you will also see your son back home sooner. Yes, many congressmen and women have sons and daughters in Iraq--Jim Webb ran on the issue. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165015Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:28:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165015Gary C. Jones II, Lake Worth, FLI applaud Senator Reid for telling the truth, and standing up to the Whitehouse bully. American credibiltity is at an all-time low, but rather than acknowledge this "war" is a failure that has cost the lives of more than three thousand troops, the right side of the aisle would rather perpetuate the lie rather than face the truth. Since day one of this war, all we've seen fromt he right side of the aisle is the impugning of the people's patriotism who question their policies. The right has yet to address the fact that not one single pre-war assertion that was cited by the Bush administration as justification for this war has turned out to be credible. Instead, all we hear from the war are shifting rationale and justifications for a war that they themselves refuse to fight. This war has been given every pseudo and ludacris justification that the right can muster. Ironically, not a single one of those "justifications" have sent the right to recruiting offices in droves.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165034Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:32:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165034Phil Sanchez, Temecula, CAReid and Pelosi are handing Iraq over to Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda is making plans as we speak to use Iraq's oil wealth to further its terrrorist agenda. They see they have the West on the run. Nuclear confrontation with the West and a radicalized Muslim world is inevitable. If Reid and Pelosi were in charge at the beginning of WW2 the world would be a much different place and it will be under their "leadership". The lessons of history have fallen on deaf ears and cowardice from our leaders will not make this country safer but will bring about a nuclear Armageddon which is Al Qaeda's agenda. History will remember this action as the beginning of the fall of Western Civilization.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165060Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:36:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165060topcat, Baltimorethat's the whole point Harold, we need to get your sons and daughters out of Iraq because not only don't Congress have children there, the Executive Branch most certainly don't. You must be blind to all that's happening around you to make such a statement. WAKE UP !!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165080Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:43:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165080Phil Sanchez, Temecula, CAReid and Pelosi are handing Iraq over to Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda is making plans as we speak to use Iraq's oil wealth to further its terrrorist agenda. They see they have the West on the run. Nuclear confrontation with the West and a radicalized Muslim world is inevitable. If Reid and Pelosi were in charge at the beginning of WW2 the world would be a much different place and it will be under their "leadership". The lessons of history have fallen on deaf ears and cowardice from our leaders will not make this country safer but will bring about a nuclear Armageddon which is Al Qaeda's agenda. History will remember this action as the beginning of the fall of Western Civilization.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165085Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:44:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165085wally streator,ilI hope were finally watching the self destruction of the right wing of the GOP. They want your sons and daughters to fight these wars while they get rich of off defense contracts, while at the same time cutting funds for education, health care, etc. We are sending billions to Iraq while this country's working class are struggling to just get by. This whole administration should have been impeached when they sold the American people this bunch of lies to get us into Iraq!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165126Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:52:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165126Jon Schuller"And it's 1-2-3 What Are We Fightin' For?" Country Joe and The Fish during that other misguided disaster called Vietnamhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165141Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:55:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165141Wanda Chicago, ILLew Dear, (from Vancouver, WA) the Iraqi oil fields are not ours to give up! They belong to the Iraqi's. Now clearly that is one of the reasons Bush took us to war but, they are still not ours to give up!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165207Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:08:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165207rock tumbler, pgh paif you still support bush then you are either an idiot or you profit from the war or both. he is a criminal and needs to be brought to justice. impeachment is WAY too good for him and would be a waste of time. indictment and imprisonment would be more appropriate. and please, mr obama, don't pardon him. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165215Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:11:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165215Mike Dallas, TexasTo all the WAR supporters, I said "WAR" not Troops. Do you have children, family, friend fighting in the war(s)? Would you go since you feel so strongly? Would you send those children, family and/or friends, if you feel, we (The United Staes and the Bush Policy) is so right? I have fought, Vietnam, 58,000+ died and what was the end result? Should we go down that road again to save face? There are no simple answers except if we continue this course, we will surely mimic Vietnam's numbers.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165230Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:15:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165230Mike Dallas, Texasthank you for allowing me the forum. I am sadden by losing fellow Americans, Soldiers and decent folks trying to to do the right thing but are being chewed up by a failed policy.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165246Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:19:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165246Clarence Chen, Dresher, PAI support funding to be allocated for our troops withdrawal not to continue to do this meaningless war. American people voted for this and President Bush is either blind or he is afraid to face this reality.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165255Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:21:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165255jerry nachison, las cr4uces, NM.For all you people out there who think Senator Reid is guilty of treason, I remind you that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty. Clinton was impeached for lying about sex and was not convicted. How about impeaching the current idiot in charge for lying, imbecility, fraud, promoting illegal contracts, statutes, stomping on the Constitution, ignoring anybody with sense except his yes "people," murdering American troops for no reason and many more. Do you recall that as bad as Irag was under the former regime, it was not a terrorist threat. It certainly is one now, and that is the best reason to get ridda 'de bum. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165257Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:21:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165257jerry nachison, las cr4uces, NM.For all you people out there who think Senator Reid is guilty of treason, I remind you that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty. Clinton was impeached for lying about sex and was not convicted. How about impeaching the current idiot in charge for lying, imbecility, fraud, promoting illegal contracts, statutes, stomping on the Constitution, ignoring anybody with sense except his yes "people," murdering American troops for no reason and many more. Do you recall that as bad as Irag was under the former regime, it was not a terrorist threat. It certainly is one now, and that is the best reason to get ridda 'de bum. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165273Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:25:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165273ken baronHow is "we have lost" any different saying to the press "we don't have enough troops to handle any other military missions" or "our troops are so over extended that we have to increase their tour of duty" and "we need more money for out troops because they lack the basic equipment to go to war" not sure if it was the active Generals (worrying about thier jobs) or Bush or Cheney or Dumsfield - but isn't this giving aid and comfort to N. Korea and Iran and Syria by letting them know we are out of troops and do not have the capablity of handling a third major/minor conflict. How is this different than Senator Reid stating the obvious - what 70% of American know and the idiot in office hasn't figured out yet. Just seeing who is running this country is giving aid and comfort to the ememy. Maybe someone can tell me is Bush so clueless that four years after the invasion of Iraq he still hasn't gone to Congress to increase the size of the Army and Marines by at least 100,000. He still has no exit straaegy if the build up fails other than to stay the course for the next 10 years until we win. Does he really believe the shit he has been shoveling to the American people for the past five years (pre -invasion)??? If so he is a bigger idiot than I gave him credit for.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165282Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:26:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165282smurphI find it very interesting that people who tell the truth (Reid) are called treasonous, and people who constantly tell lies (Bush) are admired. He is a bull-headed liar who has done so much damage to our country that it will take many many years to recover. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165286Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:26:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165286MH Braaten, Glendale, CAIt is really interesting to read the comments of those who still hold some naive faith in the Bush administration. God bless you because you'll feel burned eventually like the rest of us. As a moderate, I had some faith but it's long gone. Nice talk up front, but lies still sting no matter how you spin them. The civil war in Iraq is a mess, plain and simple. We should never have gone, but since we are there can we please get my buddies home soon? Haven't they been put through enough, Mr. Cheney? Their blood is on your hands, yours and the preseident's. I am a Christian but I sure didn't get the memo on this being a Christian war. God didn't send Bush the message, Mr. Cheney did. Maybe he whispered it in his ear while Bush was sleeping. For God's sake bring those young men and women home to their families. And an apology would be nice - from every one in the Bush administration - to our troops, their families and all tax payers. Mr. Bush and his team will all face the Lord eventually and it doesn't look too good for them. Asking for forgiveness is the first step. -- MHBhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165290Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:27:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165290MH Braaten, Glendale, CAIt is really interesting to read the comments of those who still hold some naive faith in the Bush administration. God bless you because you'll feel burned eventually like the rest of us. As a moderate, I had some faith but it's long gone. Nice talk up front, but lies still sting no matter how you spin them. The civil war in Iraq is a mess, plain and simple. We should never have gone, but since we are there can we please get my buddies home soon? Haven't they been put through enough, Mr. Cheney? Their blood is on your hands, yours and the preseident's. I am a Christian but I sure didn't get the memo on this being a Christian war. God didn't send Bush the message, Mr. Cheney did. Maybe he whispered it in his ear while Bush was sleeping. For God's sake bring those young men and women home to their families. And an apology would be nice - from every one in the Bush administration - to our troops, their families and all tax payers. Mr. Bush and his team will all face the Lord eventually and it doesn't look too good for them. Asking for forgiveness is the first step. -- MHBhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165330Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:38:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165330Bob Mears Downsville, LaYou want a solution that will work? Do the obvious. Break the country into three countries like it was before it was conbined into one by outside forces. Use the same borders that were there in the beginning. Call them Kurdistan, Shitestan and Sunnistan. Set up a way to share the wealth(by force is necessary) until they see the sensibility of it. Move away and let them bicker over the borders. It will eventually settle down to some livable arrangement.Now, help each one rebuilt their infrastucture. I suspect the world world would like apart of that since there would be money to be made. Just don't let Halliburton know about it. They will steal them blind.Then get the hell out. Fow now, stop the killing of American troops. That whole country is not worth one American life. Then do the simple things that make us independent of their oil. We can do that this year with simple regulations on gas mileage standards (inforced). Damn the oil barons of this world. We need a cleaner place to live. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165333Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:38:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165333Cooter Sminkens, Cooterville ArkansasWhat in tarnation is wrong with you Libs! You dang tootin know dang well what will happen if them terrorists win the war, think about it! Next things you know, them Dune Coons will be blowing up our precious little white babies here in the good ole US of A! Why do you folks in the Democrat party hate America? Thank the Lord for George W, if he aint gonna protect us from them terrorist fellars who is! Think about it! I praise Jesus every day for delivering such a god fearing, intelligunt man to the White House, if it aint for GW, we would have lost to them towel heads years ago! Think About it! Thankyou, and God Bless. Cooter Sminkenshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165337Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:40:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165337D. Visser, Chicago, ILWhy is it considered treason to tell the truth and not considered treason to lie to the American people ( weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi ties to Al Quaida)Thousand of Americans have died to save Mr. Bush's pride. But his children are still alive. Shamre on him.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165345Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:42:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165345Norm, Poulsbo, WA. Whatever happened to "By the People For the People"? I can't believe we just don't impeach this moron and get it over with!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165350Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:42:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165350Mark, Woodbridge,CT I think we not only lost the Iraqi war, we lost big winning the heart and mind of the people of the world. Mr Bush has damaged the image and prestige of the USA, probably irrepairably. We can win all the battles in Iraq, but, unfortunately, we lost the war as soon as we invaded Iraq. I think the only way to start the healing process is to begin the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Only this will we show the world that we are a great nation, we will admit our mistakes, and we will hold those responsible acountable.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165353Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:42:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165353Russell in Maryland"You constantly criticize our leader to which we take offense." Yes Dogface I clearly remember all of the offense you and your buddies took to criticism of Bill Clinton when he was your commander in chief. (heavy sarcasm) "War is what we train for..point blank....not to sit back and play politics." Yes you train for war but that doesn't mean your purpose is war. The Armed Forces are maintained as a deterrent to our enemies from starting a war against us not as an encouragement for us to start an optional war. If you believe the purpose is to start wars of agression then let's change the name from Defense Department to War Department. What people are arguing against is the mis-use of our military not the existence of our military. Sorry if that results in too little action.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165377Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:47:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165377Marye, Waco, TexasI tend to think that George W. Bush believes that God placed him in office and/or that he is God. President Bush has rarely, if ever, made decisions based on the good of the American people - he has his own agenda. It is also interesting to point out that over 150 attorney/advisors in his administra-tion graduated from Oral Roberts Law School. Regardless of the lack of leadership under his watch, someone should be held responsible for the numerous tragedies that have occurred due to his incompetence and irresponsibility. Sadly, this rarely happens if politics is involved in this country - money rules, the poor suffer and life goes on. How much more suffering can George W. cause before his 2 years is up? This is a scary thought. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165395Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:52:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165395Denise, Johns Island, South CarolinaPOLITICS!!!!MONEY!!!GREED!!!We can never leave the country of Iraq, fully. We will always have a prescence there. Unfortunately! The one thing that Bush,did not take into consideration was the religous undertones that drive the people of Iraq. Saadam put fear in all factions of the country. Now they are fighting amongst each other because each beleives that their way of Islam is the correct way instead of thinking like the western minded person would look at things. Until, the religous leaders of each faction gets together and discuss Iraq, with the new democratic government......NONE OF THIS IS EVER GOING TO GET ANY BETTER FOR ANYONE. I do not understand why no one can see this. They do not think like we do. And, someone needs to realize this quick fast and in a hurry. Iraq is an OIL rich country. Oil is black gold, we, the entire world all need it. Meanwhile, male, PRIDE, from Bush and Cheney is leading us further down a road to disaster. They are just waiting until '08 to get out and not be responsible anymore for getting us out of the country. Meanwhile, our Troops and their family continue to suffer. War is a man's idea of "I want control, because my way is the best way, not taking into consideration, that not all people are alike". Peace could be brought to the region, who is going to step up to the plate and say enough is enough. I feel for the Iraqi people, the innocent ones. The children,women and the old people. They have no idea of what their future is going to be like. Put aside, how we got there.We cannot change that. Without even admitting fault or wrong doing.....some diplomacy needs to start NOW. Impeaching Bush and Cheney would be a joy to me. But, it is not going to happen. So, stop the bickering and get the leader of the Kurd, the Shiites, the Sunnis and the new government together, even if it is out of the country of Iraq and make some changes. Quickly. People are dying who do not deserve to die.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165425Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:59:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165425Marlowe Dobarganes, Ft. Lauderdale, FloridaKing George has resolutely shown that he cares not for the common people but for the oil-barons and war-profiteers. This is so blatant that even Ray Charles could see it--and he was blind! How can people still support a totalitarian regime like King George's? Why hasn't Cheney been brought before Congress and drilled about his lies and deceits? I no longer have any pride in my government as I did when Bill Clinton was our leader--he united us with all nations (excepting a few rogue states) and gave the U.S. credibility. King George has destroyed that and, most assuredy, will never be regained. I hope everyone that voted for the despot the 2nd time are proud of themselves. OH WAIT!! He has companies (ahem--DIEBOLD) manipulate the votes. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165453Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:06:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165453Been ThereOne must wonder and ask the question, what would Iraq look like today if the Bush machine would have spent one-half the money on improving the infra-structure instead of blowing it up? How many US soldiers would still be alive today and how many injured would not be suffering today? Would the United States be just as safe today? I believe that it would and I doubt that as many Muslins would distrust the US today! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165498Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:19:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165498Humberto Martinez, Ft. Worth, TXOh, so many reasons why we failed in Iraq! Let's see where shall we start? First and foremost that moron we have for a President and his war mongers (Shooting Cheney, Raging Rummy and Girl Friend Promoting Wolfowitz wanted an invasion of Iraq and got it. Secondly, they then played multiple choice in coming up with the many pretextual reasons for why we needed to invade Iraq. What they failed to consider was what would happen if Saddam were broght down. They lied for getting us there and they are still offering idiotic and empty rationale for our staying there. Osama is laughing his cave dented rear end off as he enjoys total freedom to run his terrorist campaign against all infidels. We could leave Iraq tomorrow and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to our security. The threat to our security has been and remains the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Our invasion of Iraq merely provided them a target to practice their tactics on, not to mention some pretty convincing (to the Muslim world) ammunition to use in recruiting future terrorists. And finally, throughout it all the perverse incompetence that has been exhibited by people appointed purely for their political affliliation without regard for their competence or lack thereof at all levels of this administration has never been equaled in previous administrations. We cannot afford another two years under these blundering idiots. Our troops deserve better. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165520Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:26:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165520Eric, Detroit MichWhat makes me sick is when something like Virginia Tech happens everyone is soooooo heart broken and lost for a reason for such a "tradgedy". What went wrong? Where were the people to stop this? How can this happen? This must never happen again!! WHY? WHY? WHY? You hypocrits!! People in Iraq are humans too, and events like VT happen EVERY SINGLE DAY just because they dont live in America doesnt mean they deserve it. Grow up and realize Bush isnt killing women and children we are there to try and give these people a chance to live. You say GOP is playing games with the war, the dems are the game players you idiots. Whenever Bush or the generals say they need something your idoit party says they don't need it. Wake up and realize the world doesnt revolve around you and WAR isn't a platform to debate on. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165602Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:03:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165602Neil, NevadaI'm sorry, but Senator Reid has no backbone and sways to which ever way the wind blows. For the United States to pull out now would only leave the Middle East in turmoil. The backlash the united States and its allies would take, I feel would be worse than anything we've seen. Patriotic Americans aren't losers, were driven to win. Our country's energy should be focused on resloving the issues surrounding Iraq. The United States and its Allies have the intelligence, the strength, the know how, the CAN DO attitude; and now they want us to quite and run. For the sake of America's future, the Republicans and Democrats need to align their goals as ONE and finish what we started--together--as one country under God. And once again show the world the resolve of the U.S.A. Please remember united we stand and divided we fall.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165691Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:55:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165691Aaron in southeast MichiganWow, so many people po'd about the executive branch of the US and what they've done. I've been waiting for this day for a long time. When he was elected, although I didn't vote for Bush, I did give him a chance. Then I supported him 100% in the fight against those who attacked us. However, when he turned his sites away from the the real fight with the Taliban and Osama bin Laden, and attacked Iraq, using lies and misinformation as the reason, I lost all respect for him. It amazed me that anyone could ignore what he had done. Now, its finally happening that the "do-no-wrong" George Bush is being seen for what he really is: a poor leader making poor decisions. Thank you to all who have known this all along and also to those who are realizing it now. Also, thank you to Harry Reid, whether he's right or wrong, for standing up against George Bush. In the past week, "America" has returned to this continent in the form of heavy duty debate on the issue of our troops in Iraq. I hope "America" stays here. Whether we support Bush or Reid, or someone else altogether, this is exactly what this country needs.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165704Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:04:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165704Jade Walker, Macon GaTHANK YOU Jan B. Tucson http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165746Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:34:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165746Roberto Reyna LOng Beach Ms.Incompetence, dishonesty, malfeasence at is best, Rove,Cheney and Bush , I support our troops , i do not support the three stoogeshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165747Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:35:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165747fred putnam, mount holly, ncat least reid knows what's going on in irag. bush don'thttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165761Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:45:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165761Jollyroger47 Louisville, KYI think the present course in Iraq is not going to produce any victory. Iran is a far more of a concern than Iraq. We should never have invaded Iraq. I would leave a presence in Iraq but remove them to SUPER bases used for staging and support for training, ect . Also to let Iran understand we are not leaving, only across the border. The underlying issue here is oil. We need a stable region to keep the price somewhat in check? Iran can control this region if we loose Iraq. If we need to stay then turn off the camera's and get rid of these radical clerics like Sadar. Define who is killing and destroy them all out. Then there can be peace. We fight like we have our hands tied behind our backs. War is hell. Show these Clerics what war is like!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165769Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:51:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165769Larry los angeles Californiamy name is larryhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165820Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:25:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165820deb, aurora, coloradofood for thought... reinstate the draft to support our troops serving there (avoid 3-4 tours that are currently happening) bring em home! (supports our troops also)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165823Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:28:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165823deb,aurora, coloradojolly roger..as if U.S hasn't already made enough enemies??? kill the clerics?? you obviously don't understand the middle east at allhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165839Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:40:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165839harold seattle waif our moronic lemming commander in chief knew how to read and took some time to read the history of this area he would have known it is useless. I just noticed where the newest article said that there were battles between american and iraqi troops and sunni insurgents and shia militia - guess what folks, that is all of iraq - except for the kurds. Looks like oil is way more important to this pathetic president than people's lives. There is no winning... he and cheney need to be impeached and then sent to Iraq , they are absolute pathetic pigs. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165867Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:03:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165867Brad B Las Vegas NvI guess the reason for all of this infighting, is a lack of understanding. Well, that and you get your knowledge base from television. To watch the history of terrorists destroy others in the world and say well, that is not our fight is exactly how Europe became occupied during WWII. To ignore the obvious and try to talk reason to an idiot is a venture that only another idiot would take. To believe This President lied to the people about WMD... delusional hogwash. I suppose the rest of the world lied when they said they believed it too (the intelligence was the work of all the world powers, or did you forget that?). I hope that we stay over there and continue to defend our way of life against terrorists who want to convert the world to their way. For all you who say we must leave now I say, why is it the people of Iraq don't share your beliefs, unless of course they are terrorists. And what about the palistinian problem? Did Pres. Bush make that up too?? Did he cause them to kidnap Israeli soldiers who, in spite of a peace agreement have not yet returned them? Where is the outrage over that?? A true liberal thinks everyone ought to be able to go swimming in the ocean, until of course that someone is using their beach and then it is a problem. I assume you think everyone ought to get along untill you actually have to pay a price, and then you don't believe it anymore. As for me, When the next elections come around, I truly hope that Democrats do not prevail... they have a history of screwing things up royally, and this screw up will be their grandest. On the other hand, you might just win, and get your way... learn to wear turban or veil; learn to speak farsi and give up your freedom and way of live, or, just live in the aftermath of all the biological, chemical and nuclear residue that doesn't exist. Think it can't happen? Think occupied Europe and Nazi Rule because no one believed the threat. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it... whether you believe it or not. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165872Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:07:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165872Jane, Southern MississippiGWB was never very successful in his ventures before becoming president. Why would anyone think he'd be successful as president is beyond me. We are in so much trouble on so many fronts, and it amazes me that this person, so unsuccessful before, has been so successful in wrecking our country and everything it has stood for since its inception. Why is he so bull-headed stubborn? He sees his point of view and that's that. He "can't see the forest for the trees." Linda Rondstadt, "Different Drum" http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165893Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:28:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165893LJ, Redondo Beach, CA This "war" was lie based and fear laced and started by a "war president" who has no heart or soul and does not love these young Americans who are dying and being maimed for his perverted dream. Not to mention the almost 1,000,000 Iraquis who have died. For what? This has to stop and it is damn time for the media to step up and start being objective again, for the past 6 plus years, the media has been owned and totally controlled by the repub thugs. They do any damn thing they want to do and what they have done is destroyed this beautiful "work in progress...this America" and made us the most hated nation on the planet...and the most dangerous...It is time to take this country back and send bush and his rhugs to jail...It is time to SUPPORT THE TROOPS so much that we BRING them home so they can watch their children grow up and start to try and live again...This "war" should never have been...IT WAS ALL A LIE!!! Remember bush crawling around in his office looking for those "WMDS"? that was not funny...that was him at the lowest a human being can go and the media never once questioned him and it is time to demand accountability. The media has always been our check and balance for rogues like this bunch of crooks and murderers...BRING THE TROOPS HOME AND IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY/RICE AND THE ENTIRE GROUP! Let's america...AMERICA AGAIN!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#165957Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:18:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:165957LJ, Redondo Beach, CA This "war" was lie based and fear laced and started by a "war president" who has no heart or soul and does not love these young Americans who are dying and being maimed for his perverted dream. Not to mention the almost 1,000,000 Iraquis who have died. For what? This has to stop and it is damn time for the media to step up and start being objective again, for the past 6 plus years, the media has been owned and totally controlled by the repub thugs. They do any damn thing they want to do and what they have done is destroyed this beautiful "work in progress...this America" and made us the most hated nation on the planet...and the most dangerous...It is time to take this country back and send bush and his rhugs to jail...It is time to SUPPORT THE TROOPS so much that we BRING them home so they can watch their children grow up and start to try and live again...This "war" should never have been...IT WAS ALL A LIE!!! Remember bush crawling around in his office looking for those "WMDS"? that was not funny...that was him at the lowest a human being can go and the media never once questioned him and it is time to demand accountability. The media has always been our check and balance for rogues like this bunch of crooks and murderers...BRING THE TROOPS HOME AND IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY/RICE AND THE ENTIRE GROUP! Let's america...AMERICA AGAIN!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166021Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:40:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166021C. J. Hare, Morristown, NJHush for a moment my fellow Americans. Stop the name calling . . . "conservative", "liberal", "extremist","radical". Forget you are "Republican". Forget you are "Democrat". Forego calling yourself "patriot" and your opponent "trator". For the moment, set aside your quarrels with followers of religions not your own. And if you can, turn your attention away from declarations on the Senate floor, or decks of aircraft carriers that a war has been lost, or won. Something far worse is happening; something more urgent than regional differences, abortion battles, party loyalty, or debating a president's intelligence. We are losing our Country, our ideals of liberty and justice for all, our sense of fairness, honesty and decency. We are losing our respect for the rule of law on which the country was founded. We have already lost civility in our public and private discourse, and our respect and fellow feeling one for another. And we have even lost our ability to value each human life so long as body counts fall within "an acceptable range". So I ask you, of what significance is all the shouting over a war won or lost, if in the process of waging that war, we the people fail to protect and hold dear the principles on which our representative democracy was founded? Of what matter is victory or defeat on foreign soil if our beloved Country has sacrificed its heart and soul?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166028Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:48:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166028Dave,Dallas TexasThis war wasnt started because of WMD.We (our government)had been wanting a democratic country in this area because of the instability there.He (bush) needed a reason and found it in 911.Everyone (America) believed everything bush said.Those that questioned him were called traitors or cowards. I have served on two tours for my country,I am proud of my country,and will more than likely sign back in the military once this camander in chief is gone.I love and trust my country,but i do not trust my government.I hate seeing my friends there(Iraq)but i dont see how we can leave right now.These people are really decent and the majority just want peace and to wake up in the morning and find their house in one peice and their family still alive.What we need is someone in office who will listen to the advice he is given. He is our President Not Our King.I do know that we wont fix Iraq by ourselves,we need them to do it themselves.I say thank you to the dem. for finally standing up and saying we need to find another way achieve our goal.This way isnt working.We can stand our ground and fight. We are not cowards.But it does no good if your not moving forward.Even though we discuss this,Please watch what you say when you say we cannot win.If this message sounds mixed its because soldiers win every morning they wake up and every night they go to sleep.They fight without asking for a thank you nor do they want one.Its what they do.So just ask to find a way to bring them home.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166042Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:14:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166042IMdone, Minneapolis, MNWell, it is clear that everyone has a good point. But let me interject some ideas. 1. Who knows so much about Senator Reid and would take the time to write a dissertation on his life. Sounds kinda rediculous, unless you are tied to the Bush Foundation. Did you, at any point, look into the relationship between Bush and the Oil industry and find all the actions that have taken place which caused our gas prices to rise over 1.50 a gallon in one year. Or is this not on your docket. Ironic that we were not trading Oil with Iraq prior to the War, why the increase in price? Could it be that Mr. Intellect (Bush) alienated all our trade partners in the middle east, except the King of Saudia Arabia, with who he may be having an affair with. (Kissing on National TV) Oh yeah, don't forget a certain college refused to name it's library after him (George Bush), thought it would negatively affect their campus. Not to popular. Oh, don't forget, one of the fifty states (Maryland) changed it's electoral vote procedure because they did not want a rehash of the last two elections. (Idiot in the white house) 2. Why is the military Republican centered. Hint, they are the ones that notoriously send them to combat and make claims like "we will pay you more." Even though Historically Dems sign bills for better supplemental pays. If you are a solider, you are obligated by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to support the decisions of your superior officers. This is fed to you by your Chain of Command and you are told to never make it seem like you are against the current initiatives. Believe me, the troops would be absolutely excited if they learned that they were being pulled out of this situation. 3. Trusting a politician is really irrelevant, trust the idea that 70% of Americans are against this monstrosity. Every elected offical works at the pleasure of the people. They are not an island, untouchable. Senator Reid is just following the demands of the people, which is his job. Unlike President or is it King Bush. He refuses to listen to the what I am sure he calls the ignorant masses. (That is ironic) After all what do we know? 4. Impeachment would just lead to more issues, like who is going to fill the position, Cheney, that is like going from dumb to dumber. Then who is next? Conde, not such a good idea. She too has pissed off a good deal of international leaders. So nuts and bolts, we have to live with this idiot. 5. Permanent bases, yes we have one in Japan, Germany, Kuwait. Why, Japan, (as a country, not independent terrorist) attacked our country, German almost took over all of Europe, and we were in Kuwait to keep Sadam at bay. Just so he remembers that if he gets any of those crazy ideas, we will put our foot us his A** like we did the last time. Bases for a purpose. One way to send a message to Al Qaeda is to Nuc Afghanistan and really stir the pot, not likely due to the massive number of Civilian Causalities. 6. Bush thought it would be strategically sound to draw Al Qaeda into Iraq to fight them on better land. I thought we were trying to avoid this, but I have been wrong before. Have you been to Iraq, it is not that much better, if not it is worse. During the Summer it is 130 Degrees, how is this better land. Not to mention, put them in a civilian population that is subservient by nature and have been taught to hate your country. Next, surround your troops with radical muslims who at a moments notice will stab them in the back. How is this this great strategy? Oh you are referring to that Tom and Jerry plan that these idiots Concocted to put a democracy in the middle of the muslim world, not really a good idea. Muslim will tend to side with muslim. Stategy+Bush/Cheney=Disaster Enough said. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166054Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:35:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166054IMdoneJust an FYI, world intelligence knew Saddam had the desire to get WMD's but told George W. Idiot to allow the World Process to do its job, build up support for the initiative, then execute with the world behind you. His lack of patience and rational thought pushed us into this war alone. Powell, the most intelligent man in his staff, told him to wait until he could get the support needed for the war, and he refused to listen to him, he preferred to listen to vice moroon and idiot of defense. Now his failures will resonate through history as a worse military operation in the history of man kind. At least in Vienam, the South was invaded by the North which provided us the justification to go there. The reason for this war reminds me of King Xerses attack of the Spartans, his arrogance will always plague his place in history. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166068Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:59:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166068Stephen Gerrard Warner, NH For those of you (as I am) who are truly serious about the impeachment of Geo. Bush and his evil cohorts... please go to these websites To sign an impeachment petition: http://www.impeachbush.org To obtain "IMPEACH BUSH" bumper stickers: http://cgi.ebay.com/Impeach-Bush-Anti-Bush-Bumper-Sticker-Free-Shipping_W0QQitemZ280105934499QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4103QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem And finally http://www.bushslastday.com/ We can do it if we all try. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166192Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:59:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166192Charles MasonTo be labeled as a coward or called unpatriotric to our men and woman who are in the military by President Bush and VP. Cheney is a joke. Bush, Cheney,Limbaugh,Ashcroft,Tom DeLay,Hassert, Lott, Lieberman,Blitzer, Ann Coulter,Bill Bennett, Jerry Falwell, Snow, Gingrich and Carl Rove might want to explain why none of these cowards served in the military and all declined to serve when they were called. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166447Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166447Jordan Macarus Westmont, IllinoisWe have a right to expect our President and Vice President to act on our behalf. It is my belief that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are guilty of violating the public trust. They have directly or indirectly: 1. Lied to Congress, the British Prime Minister and the American People regarding the reasons and evidence for invading Iraq. 2. Cost the American People hundreds of billions of dollars funding this war. 3. Cost many US soldiers their lives or futures (serious injuries) 4. Committed treason by divulging the identity of a CIA operative 5. Fostered nepotism; assigning government contracts to companies that one or both are affiliated with. 6. Squandered 6+ years that should have been spent addressing the realities of global warming and climate change, and instead 7. falsified scientific documents regarding global warming and climate change 8. increasing our dependence on fossil fuels and 9. Continued to protect the profits for oil companies they are affiliated with. The list goes on.. How much more do we need? How much more can we take? If any hard working American ran a company this way, they would have been relieved of their duties as soon as it was realized that they were putting their own private interests above those of the team. If they don't represent Team USA, then they should step down, out of the way. Two more years of playing politics will only make things much worse and will make all of Washington appear ineffective. - And that confusion could lead to another backward presidency. - That would be catastrophic. We need sustainable, environmentally-based economics legislation asap. And we need public servants in the oval office capable of signing it. Asap http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166461Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:47:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166461Jordan Macarus Westmont, IllinoisWe have a right to expect our President and Vice President to act on our behalf. It is my belief that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are guilty of violating the public trust. They have directly or indirectly: 1. Lied to Congress, the British Prime Minister and the American People regarding the reasons and evidence for invading Iraq. 2. Cost the American People hundreds of billions of dollars funding this war. 3. Cost many US soldiers their lives or futures (serious injuries) 4. Committed treason by divulging the identity of a CIA operative 5. Fostered nepotism; assigning government contracts to companies that one or both are affiliated with. 6. Squandered 6+ years that should have been spent addressing the realities of global warming and climate change, and instead 7. falsified scientific documents regarding global warming and climate change 8. increasing our dependence on fossil fuels and 9. Continued to protect the profits for oil companies they are affiliated with. The list goes on.. How much more do we need? How much more can we take? If any hard working American ran a company this way, they would have been relieved of their duties as soon as it was realized that they were putting their own private interests above those of the team. If they don't represent Team USA, then they should step down, out of the way. Two more years of playing politics will only make things much worse and will make all of Washington appear ineffective. - And that confusion could lead to another backward presidency. - That would be catastrophic. We need sustainable, environmentally-based economics legislation asap. And we need public servants in the oval office capable of signing it. Asap http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166548Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:27:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166548Harold Blairsville P.A. You go BRAD B LAS VEGUS.You said it and most MOST ALL I talk with backs you up. Most of what I read here tells Me these people? uses differt Names and keep on emailing to make it sound like there is a lote of them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166597Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:52:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166597Julia, Washington, DCHe is right and stating the truth. Iraq does not want us there. The GOP is not thinking of the soldiers they are thinking of themselves and the deals that they have made that puts money in their pockets. Noone is looking at the soldiers at Walter Reed and at BAMC (Fort Sam Houston, TX). The soldiers have no limbs and are burned. What about they soldiers. I damn sure don't want to be there! I love my country and love serving, but why do I have to suffer. If Iraqi's want to have a war amongst themselves, let them go ahead. We fought for our country and we are fine. They are fighting themselves over race and religion, they need help! And now we are dying for them! I AM AN AMERICAN, not an Iraqi'. We can't save the whole world.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166633Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:10:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166633George Smith Lynchburg VirginiaIt seems that most of us in America would accept our leaders lie to us,use deception Rather than listen to the facts,truth. We are losing our most precious resources our young men and women because of a failed policy. We elect a President,Senate,Congress to lead us in a responsible manner and if this not so,We boot them out and elect those who will act responsible. Thats the American way,We are a free society,without such freedom we are subject to one voice,we are a Country of many voices,all speaking to Unite rather than divide,To ignore that principle leads to disaster,and Democracy goes out the window!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#166787Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:30:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:166787Frances Larsen, Newcastle, WASomeone on the board mentioned that "all the world" knew about the WMDs, not just the US. This intel surfaced within a short time. Does anyone ever wonder where it originated? Consider: Kid A doesn't like Kid B. Kid A whispers to a companion that Kid B is a druggie. Pretty soon the whole school "knows" that Kid B is a druggie. Maybe the origination of the intel about Iraq's WMD needs to be investigated. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167060Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:38:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167060MH Braaten, Glendale, CAIt is really interesting to read the comments of those who still hold some naive faith in the Bush administration. God bless you because you'll feel burned eventually like the rest of us. As a moderate, I had some faith but it's long gone. Nice talk up front, but lies still sting no matter how you spin them. The civil war in Iraq is a mess, plain and simple. We should never have gone, but since we are there can we please get my buddies home soon? Haven't they been put through enough, Mr. Cheney? Their blood is on your hands, yours and the preseident's. I am a Christian but I sure didn't get the memo on this being a Christian war. God didn't send Bush the message, Mr. Cheney did. Maybe he whispered it in his ear while Bush was sleeping. For God's sake bring those young men and women home to their families. And an apology would be nice - from every one in the Bush administration - to our troops, their families and all tax payers. Mr. Bush and his team will all face the Lord eventually and it doesn't look too good for them. Asking for forgiveness is the first step. -- MHBhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167095Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:53:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167095ron white clearwater flafter reading all these messages I still cant find one american who actually voted for this egomaniac.I also am revolted by the fact that george the king and ruler of the earth gets away with ruling with his bible not his brains.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167146Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:44:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167146IMdone, Minneapolis, MNAnother great strategy, send more troops (like the Russians did in afghanistan) to get killed and then admit to Al Qaida that it doesn't matter how many troops we throw at you, we still can't win. This worked real well for Russia, I believe they went broke and lost their identity. Another Vietnam strategy. Yeah, great confidence booster if you are a terrorist. Is there a History teacher available to go to the White House and educate the Administration on the perils of this type of thought? Can someone send Bush/Cheney a memo about what has happened every war that is similar to this?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167359Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:34:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167359A Perry Garland TxBush,Chaney and the rest of his buddies need to be impeached maybe we could get someone to run the country who is not smart mouth and stupid.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167461Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:32:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167461A Turner Seattle WAMy son-in-law is on his second tour in Iraq, serving with the elite 82nd Airborne. I support our troops 100 %. Bush does not support the troops, he is using them to fight a personal war. Reid had the guts to tell the truth. A politician tell the truth? Is that an oxy-moron?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167491Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:15:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167491Kimberley, Los Angeles CAReality check - Dems gave Bush more money than he ASKED FOR - they didn't cut funds, BUSH is threatening to veto the funding they've given him. Why? Because the Democrats have enough sense to know we need to get out of this war we have LOST, or at least they have enough sense to listen to the American people who are insisting on getting out by a wide margin. The extras they added on, which Blithering Bush is taking issue with? Funding for returning veterans, assistance for victims of Hurricane Katrina, who are still in dire straits, and farmers, who we depend on in order to eat. There's your pork folks. The stinking pig is in the White House, and the sooner we kick him out, the better. Impeach Now!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167496Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:21:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167496s. McFarland, new york, NYYes, of course Harry Reid SHOULD be impeached...but he won't. From day one, patriots have died so that people like Reid can say obscene remarks that make the difficult job our troops are doing even more difficult and dangerous. Senator, just two questions, (1) how do you sleep at night, and (2) how do you look yourself in the mirror?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#167505Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:35:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:167505william robersonThe truth is our policy in Iraq has miserably failed. Whatever happens, happens as the result of one person and that is George Bush. I don't think the American people yet fully comprehends the damage this guy has done to our country. Criticism of this guys bungling does not equate to non-support of our troops. This is just another ploy to confuse the idiots who still support this man. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#168464Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:22:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:168464Dee Dee Dee, Tampa, FLStop asking for Reid to be impeached, he is a Senator not the member of the Executive Branch. The best you can do is have the people of Nevada file a vote of no confidence and then revote another Senator in or get a two thirds vote from congress to remove a Senator. I cannot take anything serious from people who keep asking to impeach a Senator. READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#168511Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:50:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:168511Bill WErtman, Baltimore, MDHey McFarland, My CICs WMD skit was obscene, giving up the hunt for Bin Laden was obscene, Rumsfeld saying that troops are fungible was obscene, Walter Reed was obscene. The lies about Tillman and Lynch are obscene Patriots and poor dumb sons of bitches died in Bush and Cheney's places in Vietnam. They also died for Romney, Rover, Giuliani and many others. WHY do you trust anyone to fight terorism when they would NOT fight Communism, Narco-terrorism, and Jihadists when they had the opportunity to actually bear arms? And there is NOTHING I find as obscene when we are at war as a chickenhawk.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#168863Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:20:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:168863Joshua Turner Kent WashingtonMy brother in law is currently serving his 2nd tour in Iraq. Finally someone had the guts to say this is stupid. Bush is killing our troops to look good,and we all know he;s an idiot. It's time to get are troops away from a civil war in Iraq. Because it's just getting them killed.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#168881Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:51:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:168881R. Huff, Minneapolis, MnThe Harry Reids and Nancy Pelosi's of this world must go. They have committed treason and are no longer needed in the USA.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#170215Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:37:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:170215Josh Seattle, WAWe all know president Bush's ratings are lower than a basement floor. Finally someone had the guts to tell him this iraq "war" is only making him look like the idiot he is. I commend Reid and anyone else who stands up to him. Bring home the troops. Get the out from the middle of an obviuse civil war in Iraq.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#173309Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:10:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:173309Joe Brignoli, Palm Harbor, FLI will destroy, once and for all the argument that Bush "lied" about WMDs, with a single post: WHAT THE DEMOCRATS SAID ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION…. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
 - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
 - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
 - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
 - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
 - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
 - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
 - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
 - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
 - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
 - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
 - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
 - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
 - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
 - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source 

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
 - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source 

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
 - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source February 16, 1993 - “The regime of Saddam Hussein continues to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to regional peace and security. June 26, 1993 - “… the Iraqi attack against President Bush was an attack against our country and against all Americans… Saddam Hussein has demonstrated repeatedly that he will resort to terrorism or aggression if left unchecked…” April 7, 1994 - “Continued vigilance is necessary because we believe that Saddam Hussein is committed to rebuilding his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) capability. August 2, 1999 - “We are convinced that as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power, he will continue to threaten the well-being of his people, the peace of the region, and vital U.S. interests. … Iraq remains a serious threat to international peace and security.” Source: http://theanchoressonline.com/ WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? We can never let such hypocrites EVER gain control of this country's Executive Branch. Google "democrats wmd" and you'll find hundreds more! (including audio/ video)These elected Dems think the rest of you are stupid, and will not realize that this makes it impossible that Bush "lied about WMDs." Joe Brignoli joeybrignoli@aol.comhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#173313Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:14:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:173313Joe Brignoli, Palm Harbor, FLQ for Libs: DID BILL CLINTON LIE ABOUT WMDS ALSO? Bill Clinton’s Speech from Dec. 16th, 1988 PRESIDENT CLINTON: Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons. I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish. Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability. The inspectors undertook this mission first 7 1/2 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire. The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. FULL SPEECH: Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html Joe Brignoli joeybrignoli@aol.comhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#173500Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:46:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:173500Joe Brignoli, Palm Harbor, FLThe sheer propaganda and ignorance in this room is staggering. Ignorance means "lacking knowledge," not "stupid." So let me educate you (again). Every quote you utter and every statement about withdrawal from Iraq is fueling the rhetoric of Islamic Extremism. Does anyone have a clue what we are really facing? Don't you see that it is MOST OF YOU LIBERALS who are causing the Iraq war to linger? Indirectly, YOU are causing our troops to be killed every day. Bin Laden predicted that the will of the American people will falter. I have to admit, I did not believe him at the time. But after reading ALL the above quotes (except for mine, and my 1 or 2 defenders), I am starting to fear for the safety of our children. This is utter insanity. I think liberals are prolific politicians, and I think you mean well, but take a look at a casualty chart for God’s sake, compared with American public opinion polls. There is a DIRECT RELATION between the number of attacks on our military and Iraqi civilians blown to bits, and public opinion polls. But I also think the overwhelmingly liberal media is more to blame than the opinions you give to pollsters. When it comes to geo-political events and military strategy, you are so perverse, misinformed, and indoctrinated that you fail to see what is so obvious to those that study history or have served in the military. Here’s are 2 quotes that I am specifically referring to: “Joe Brignoli is right about one thing: bush and them never intend to leave Iraq. That country has not been liberated, it is being permanently occupied. Huge permanent bases are being built in Iraq… This is all part of the American Empire, intended to have troops, air bases and naval bases all over the world, forever, in furtherance of our imperial ambition. Or until the Empire collapses unpon itself in bankruptcy. Rome gave up democracy to keep its empire, while Great Britain gave up its empire to keep democracy. Which will it be for America, and which one do you think bush and them want?” Next time you make a mortgage payment, drop your child off at school, put gas in your car, or take a paycheck, keep in mind that the lifestyles you live are because of the sacrifice of us who have volunteered for the military, and the policies that support them. Your freedoms are NOT guaranteed, or protected by 2 oceans anymore… some say they never were. There is a fragile, delicate balance that must be continually fought for so YOU can have your ipods, the computers you are using now, and buy your kids Xbox 360. Unless you become Amish and live back in the 19th Century, you are using the fruits that we who have served provided. This is exactly why there is such a severe disconnect between most of you and the 79% of the military that voted for Bush. The ONLY reason that World Wars 3-5 have broken out is because of our continued strategic military presence around the globe. I can’t prove that, because it is speculation on events that have already occurred, but history will tell us that “when the cat’s away, the mice will play.” Until the whole world is a democracy, dictators and tyrants will continue to exist, and WE are the only shining light in the world that keeps them from invading and enslaving their neighbors. I truly believe that if WE were to have never taken an isolationist stance, WWII would have never occurred, saving 50 million lives. Finally, WE ARE NOT AN EMPIRE, FOR GOD’S SAKE. We have the POWER to steal a country’s riches and enslave it’s people. BUT we do not. If we did that, then yes, we would be an empire and I would be the first to lead the charge against it. Our strategic military bases are a result of the treaties we signed with the countries that provide them! From Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean to Panama, to Camp Anaconda in Iraq, we are there by invitation. They are of strategic importance, and are all mutually beneficial for the countries that host them. The above quote from the liberal was OPINION, and can be argued on both sides. The following quote is pure lies, and I can’t believe that people don’t do the research on this malarkey. I’m dumbfounded that anyone could continue to quote facts that are so untrue… This is not the information age, it’s the DIS-information age. HERE IS THE EXAMPLE I AM REFERRING TO: “You Bush lovers are absolute hypocrites if you dare tell me or anyone else on this board that if Clinton had done exactly the same thing you would not be calling for his impeachment and trial and worse!” I cannot understand why people don’t know this. CLINTON DID DO THE SAME THING, AND REPUBLICANS SUPPORTED HIM!!!!!!!!!! Operation Desert Fox just 3 years before 9/11! I fully supported the decision Clinton made to attack Iraq for WMDs, and so did the republican leadership (according to your beloved NY times!). The only thing I found a little fishy, is that he waited until the eve of his impeachment, and he didn't follow through with an ALL OUT attack. (Another Bin Laden prediction...) But WE were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, even though all his previous policies up until them were anything but "hawkish." Bill Clinton’s Speech from Dec. 16th, 1988 PRESIDENT CLINTON: “Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons…. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq…” Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html More examples to follow. Joe Brignoli joeybrignoli@aol.com http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/20/161762.aspx#173548Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:54:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:173548Joey BrignoliThis is exactly what I am talking about.. As Hitler put it, "Tell a lie enough times and people will believe it." Here's more of the disinformation that I want to disprove. A liberal above said: 1. "George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are guilty of violating the public trust. They have directly or indirectly: 1. Lied to Congress, the British Prime Minister and the American People regarding the reasons and evidence for invading Iraq." MY REPLY: My previous post, including the transcript from Bill Clinton's speech from 1998, after he attacked Iraq for WMDs disproves that. (Unless the "monitors" of the room decided not to include that information!)Google "democrat quotes WMD" and you'll find hundreds more, including audio and video. But every time I disprove a liberal conspiracy theory, they do not acknowledge it and nonchalantly move on to the next set of false information. A week later, they restate the original, DIS-PROVEN theory, as if our original conversation never took place. Conservatives DO NOT DO THAT. Show me one shred of evidence that Bush lied about WMDs, and the Dems didn't, and I'll lead the charge for impeachment. Anyone can make up the same propaganda, but conservatives don't stoop to your level. On a conservative blog the other day, someone mentioned that when Nancy Pelosi went to Syria to meet with Bashar Assad, she discussed plans to announce the war being lost and will forward a timetable for withdrawal. I also saw a post saying that Barak Hussein(his real middle name)Obama was really a sleeper cell agent for Al Qaeda. EVERYONE in the room attacked the person making those statements. See, you people lie without remorse. I don't know why, but you do. You rationalize it by thinking that conservatives are doing the same thing, and WE'RE NOT. I'm talking directly to the liberals in this room, because moderates would not come here. 2. Quote from same liberal above: "Why is the military Republican centered. Hint, they are the ones that notoriously send them to combat and make claims like "we will pay you more." If you are a solider, you are obligated by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to support the decisions of your superior officers... This is fed to you by your Chain of Command and you are told to never make it seem like you are against the current initiatives. Believe me, the troops would be absolutely excited if they learned that they were being pulled out of this situation." MY REPLY: It is obvious that you have never served in the military. WE WERE PATRIOTIC, GOD-LOVING CONSERVATIVE BEFORE WE ENLISTED! It is hard for me to explain this to those who have never served (like the author of the post I am referring to), because you would NEVER understand unless you volunteered. When I was discussing re-enlisting, a liberal once asked me, "why would you want to die for a country like this?" I chuckled, and choose not to engage because I could never make him understand. He was so enraged, that he began to cry. A typical example of a liberal making decisions based on emotion rather than logic. You see, people who volunteer in a time of war are different from most of the people in this room. Some call us war mongers, others spit on us. But there's a reason why only 13% of the military thinks we should have no troops in Iraq. I am sure you look at what is going on in Iraq, and you think, "Why would anyone WANT to be over there?" We were called upon to serve, and we answered the call. And you will never, ever understand us unless you do the same. If there is a draft, and I think there will have to be if liberals get their way in Iraq, I suspect half the people in this room would flee to Canada. THIS is why you will never understand why we do what we do. All I can say is, "You're Welcome." joeybrignoli@aol.com